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YongChun
06-08-2005, 02:53 PM
Can Wing Chun stop Taekwondo from taking over the world? Where are the Leung Ting's, Emin Boztepe's and William Cheung's in China when you need them? I heard Taekwondo has also taken over in the Phillipines over the traditional Escrima/Arnis/Kali.

Kung Fu Faces Uncertain Future
As taekwondo gyms mushroom in the capital city of Beijing, China's millennia-old martial art of kung fu is losing favor among the young.
The Wushu Association, a student society of Renmin University of China, used to offer workshops in kung fu, sanda (free-style grappling) and taekwondo. However, the association was forced to cancel kung fu lessons in the 2004-05 school year owing to lack of interest, despite strong registrations for the latter two courses.
"The association aims at promoting and popularizing the kung fu spirit, but now it has to be maintained by teaching sanda and taekwondo," said Yi Xin, the association's chairman and a senior majoring in environmental science. "Taekwondo was imported from South Korea, while sanda comprises such elements as boxing and wrestling. Both are very unlike the traditional martial arts."
In their fierce competition for market share, the imported taekwondo, karate and Thai boxing have taken the lead over the traditional kung fu. Taekwondo, which was introduced into China in the 1990s, has become fashionable among young people aged between 15 and 35.
In one trendy downtown shopping area between Dongzhimen and Chaoyangmen, which stretches no more than two kilometers, some four taekwondo gyms are thriving. Despite their high expenses, they are thronged with a constant stream of visitors every day.
"An art of attack and defense, taekwondo has been updated in its uniforms and dan (achievement level) system to meet market demand. However, very few changes have been made to China's martial arts for this purpose," said Dr. Liu Weijun of Beijing Sports University, who was one of China's first athletes to learn taekwondo and has written extensively on the subject.
There are now more than 200 taekwondo gyms in Beijing, and the karate and fencing populations have been steadily expanding. The situation in other big cities like Shanghai, Tianjin and Guangzhou is roughly the same.
Wang Youlin, chairman of Chinese Wushu Association, said on March 19 that both the Education Ministry and the Publicity Department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China have required kung fu courses be added to elementary and middle school curriculums, as part of the students' patriotic education.
Some universities do offer kung fu courses, but students usually take it either because it is a school requirement or simply because they are seeking more credits.
A sop****re surnamed Wang at Renmin University of China took kung fu as an elective. He complained, "I was so disappointed after learning the 24 basic movements of tai chi. It's like doing radio exercises, no good for self-defense at all."
"College students are losing interest in kung fu," said Professor Xu Weijun of Beijing Sports University. "It was remolded to be fancier without practical use, in the hope of getting into the Olympic Games. Thus it's becoming more and more like gymnastics or diving, losing its own attack-defense purpose."

China is indeed stepping up efforts to get kung fu into the Olympics.
The General Administration of Sports (GAS) has increased the number of kung fu gold medals from 18 to 19 for this year's 10th National Games, following only track and field and swimming.
Japan and South Korea, as previous hosts of the Games, succeeded in getting judo and taekwondo accredited as Olympic sports. "It's a common wish of all Chinese people to watch kung fu competitions at the Beijing Olympic Games," Huang Linghai, vice director of GAS' Wushu Administrative Center, said on March 22.
But International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Jacques Rogge has been advocating reductions to the cost and complexity of the Olympics since he took office in 2001. As a result, the IOC has hesitated to vote on the kung fu matter. However, during his Beijing visit last year, Rogge expressed his intention to discuss with China the possibility of putting kung fu on the list of Olympic events.
Beijing's application proposal included three plans, with four, six or eight gold medals for kung fu. "Of course it's our goal to make it a formal game, but we cannot rule out the possibility of listing it as an exhibition event," said Huang.
"The kung fu issue will be voted by the full IOC July 6 in Singapore. If no clear decision is made then, the IOC Executive Board will hold an independent discussion on it to make the final determination," he said.

(China.org.cn by Shao Da, April 11, 2005)

Ray

anerlich
06-08-2005, 03:41 PM
This is primarily a marketing issue ... and cultural ... I think the Cultural Revolution had a lot to do with KF's current parlous state in China, and I think there is also a drive towards more technological and western style culture and activity and away from older traditions.


China is indeed stepping up efforts to get kung fu into the Olympics.

They'll be lucky, I think. Arguably there are too many combat sports as it is - boxing, judo, greco-roman and freestyle wrestling, TKD ... which cover most aspects of combat sport.

I gather Karate too is making a strong push for Olympic inclusion. Both IMO are far better organised than KF - way too many duelling egos in KF - WC being a prime example. You need a world federation and a certain number of nations competing IIRC, and most KF people don't compete because of the "too deadly" mythos.

Looking deeper at this ... one has to define "success". If participation levels are the key, then combat effectiveness and deadliness don't sell. Nor do competition wins ... one of our affiliate schools has started having a good deal of success in middle tier MMA competitions, with some guys getting to pro level tournaments (Though prize money is a pittance, and often promoters lose hand over fist) ... but membership at that school declined. They've made a conscious effort to change emphasis back toward KF being a lifestyle benefit, rather than competition or "RBSD", and the student numbers are going back up again. Most people want a hobby they don't have to put themselves out or risk injury and pain to get benefits from ... sad but true, some may say, but I don't really think it's that sad.

To succeed, the marketing of KF has to offer - and deliver - something healthy and interesting for the average person - IMO that is more fitness, athletic and skill/competence based than "self-defense", "reality combat", or following exotic, outmoded or militaristic traditions for their own, dubious, sake.

PaulH
06-08-2005, 05:20 PM
Springtime always comes with new and exciting promises in people's life. For some reasons, the WC spirit today has been waning ever since the days of its old pioneers. When was the last time you ever got mystified? Nothing new at all? Give me that old time WC power. Perhaps it will make personal learning and growth suddenly full of exciting challenges and possibilities in the midst of dull and sluggish druggery once more. =)

Mr Punch
06-08-2005, 09:18 PM
1) Maybe I'm wrong but I never got the impression that wc was so popular on the mainland. So kf doesn't = wc, and a more popualr style of kf would have a better chance at 'stopping' tkd.

2) Look at tkd! There are so many McDojangs, wc would have to have a load of McKwoons before they could compete... oh... dear...

...Well we have the McKwoons, maybe we have a chance!

3) Tkd is one style, or maybe two if you're being picky. Kf is hundreds of styles, wc itself has many. There is no unity in kf, so they will never represent.

4) The Olympics have tkd, judo, wrestling, boxing etc which have definite fighting formats, rules and ways of winning. What would kf be able to offer to add to that? Chi blasts?! People stopping midstrike and saying "Well, that WOULD have been a fight-stopper!"?! Form competitions would be the only way kf could enter the Olympics. See point 3.

Taff
06-09-2005, 05:44 PM
Yes. Just close in and don't let them kick too much.

Wait a minute.

Really, I don't see the big deal about this. TKD and Karate will always be more popular than things like Wing Chun, mainly because of the flashiness and belts.

anerlich
06-09-2005, 06:56 PM
TKD and Karate will always be more popular than things like Wing Chun, mainly because of the flashiness and belts.

Yeah, right, as opposed to the staid red and gold silk frogbutton suits and sashes. No ostentation whatever in KF :p

Real men wear red gi's with lots of patches, and have lots of interesting facial hair, tatts and piercings.

Ultimatewingchun
06-11-2005, 11:03 PM
I think Anerlich and Mat have really put their fingers on the issues that this thread has raised.