are troll stylists selling out?

[PangQuan]

I mean they used to supply sources for us to discredit and facts to disprove. now they just simply spout mindless droll. People are ditching thier facts for name calling and finger pointing.

I mean they seem to be sliding more towards blasphemy rather than usless factoids. If your going to sell out, then dont call it trolling. trolling is for the sneaky. This sport style trolling may give you faster results, but they wont benefit you as much in the long run.

Its painfull to see trolls use these tactics. Kids in highschool do that. I want to see a troll perform traditional troll techniques

[Fallout]

So you disagree with my post and i'm a troll? If you want to be a TKD nut hugger be my guest. Just be aware that those scissor takedowns and hook kicks don't come from where you think they do. Maybe try talking to Cung Le and find out.

I'd like to see a CMA master compete and win the CMA competitoin of san shou. Is that a troll? I hope not, or the CMA community has become what it used to hate. Sport fighters.

[lkfmdc]

I give ROT's latest troll incarnation a big F

Send him back to troll summer school

[Fallout]

I am not ROTS and don't even know who that is. But if you can point out an error I have made in my statements of Cung Le then please do so, rather than calling troll when i say something you don't like.

[PangQuan]

I am ROT and call troll when i say something you don't like.

TROLL!!!!!!

[PangQuan]

sry i like to read between the lines.

[Fallout]

Is cung le a TKD stylist or not?

[PangQuan]

i started MA with japanese fencing. now i practice kung fu and kung fu sword. i still know japanese fencing and still practice. when i practice and perform chinese style is it japanese style? no.

[Scott R. Brown]

PangQuang, et al,

Everyone has a right to their opinion, even if no one else agrees with them! If you don’t like what someone says, ignore them or reply with reasoned argument! If they don’t allow themselves to be edified, the loss is theirs, or perhaps it is you that has the incomplete view, but are unable to recognize it for yourself!

To use ridicule rather than edifying comments reduces one’s own level to that of the person you ridicule and reveals your own lack of maturity! You have become what you propound to despise!

Use your knowledge to educate, not derogate! It is easier to tear down rather than build up. Tearing down in these circumstances demonstrates no useful purpose other than the exercise of personal ego! Character shows through most when our irritation level is at its highest!

The world benefits from so called trolls. They challenge established views that may have become frozen over time thus impeding growth and improvement. If Truth is indeed Truth it can stand the ravages of constant challenges! Can you?

[PangQuan]

your right and I know that.

but i also know that i was jesting, simply to humor myself. i dont truly care about this topic.

i was just in one of those moods, you know. the stuck in the office with no work to do but stare at the wall or file papers, kinda mood.

a serious reply to fallout:

does it really matter? cung le is a man following his dreams and fullfilling his lifes goals, in an avenue that will meet his needs.

when it comes down to it, everything anyone does worth of value is good kung fu.

le is going about it in the proper manner befitting his situation which is a core element to "traditional".

so i would say that cung le is in the act of performing traditional kung fu, whether it be in a style befitting that of ancient china, or that of a correct path to realize achievement...

edit: sorry for any tears pulled or chains yanked :p :D

[Scott R. Brown]

Hi PangQuan,

Well said and I apologize for my seemingly overly serious interpretation of your good-natured jesting! :)

[Scott R. Brown]

Hi Chris,

That is a very good question!

Don’t give him what he wants! This can be accomplished a few ways. One is to respond with meaningful comments and without derision. The second is to ignore him completely! Both ways he is not getting what he is seeking; which is apparently to upset others!

It is likely many trolls are people who are lonely and possess poor social skills. By treating them with kindness you help them develop meaningful relationships. Once this occurs they have the opportunity to learn proper decorum through observing the behavior of those they’ve gained respect for! Everyone wants to feel they are important and their thoughts are worthwhile! Even trolls!!

It is also possible that some trolls have power issues. They feel powerless in their daily lives so they derive satisfaction by being able to manipulate the feelings of others! If you get upset he gets what he wants! A feeling or power over you!! So don’t give him what he wants! Either ignore him or treat him without derision as I have mentioned!

I don’t know how old you are or if you have children, but when children want attention they will get it somehow. If the parent doesn’t give it too them in a healthy and consistent manner the child will act out and get into trouble. It is a subconscious behavior designed to get attention. A child would rather have any kind of attention rather than no attention at all, even if the attention is getting into trouble! So it appears to be with some trolls as well!

I would also ask yourself why you feel the need to defend Kung Fu at all; if it has meaning for you, who cares what me or Fallout or anyone else thinks about it. I am not saying don’t share your own opinions, of course, but don’t care what Fallout thinks enough to get upset about it! There is nothing to defend. Kung fu is what it is. We will all interpret it differently according to our personality, inclinations, goals and experience! If Fallout or anyone else thinks it is a bunch of hooey, good for them, I like it, I enjoy it and I am confident in myself, my art and my skills! If someone wants to deride it that is their prerogative; I will engage them or not depending upon my inclination at the time! I will try to do it with decorum and if I start to get too frustrated or I think the conversation is no longer productive I will disengage myself from it. There is no sense in playing handball against the curtains, LOL!!! As you said some people just want to argue, and when it is no longer fun to play with them, take your ball and go home!

I like Kung Le as a person and as a marital artist! Yet at the same time I don’t see anything wrong with Fallout’s comments. They don’t offend me! They are not entirely inaccurate, and from a certain perspective he is correct. I don’t necessarily agree with him either, but I do see where he is coming from! Kung Fu to me is not the origins but the attitudes and principles one uses as the root of their training. Kung Le can call his root Kung Fu if he likes and so can anyone else. Who cares if he uses leg sweeps or high kicks. TKD and BBJ are not the originators of either, just the modern popularizers of these actions!

[lkfmdc]

Yes, let's all pitty the poor troll and his lack of social graces, he's a victim, everyone's a victim, society is evil, it takes a village, blah blah..... hey, Let's hug a tree, eat some granola and move our chi!

:rolleyes:

dear lord

[lkfmdc]

I offer two special Chi Kung classes now

tree hugging is open to any wannabe hippie who has the cash

but

the nut holding chi kung is only open to the hot chicks ;)

[Scott R. Brown]

Hi Chris,

Well I just think it is foolish to complain about someone you can just ignore. Who cares what he thinks!

I don’t think his post is inappropriate or disrespectful. He is expressing his opinion for whatever reason it is. It is his right to post it, your right to respond or ignore. But why complain about it!!

Your behavior is more troll like than mine. You seem to be unable to let it go! To me there is no reason to be offended. And if it upsets you so much just ignore him. Who cares if someone else responds to him which continues to encourage his behavior? If someone bothers me that much I just avoid them.

Who are you the BB police!!! Let it go, ignore him, or quit complaining about it!!!

[Ming Yue]

Scott, you make good points but your use of exclamatory punctuation makes my teeth hurt.

You're like SPJ on a prozac-ritalin blend. It won't be long before the forum sucks the sunshine out of your soul.

:)

[Fallout]

They are blinded. They finally saw someone winning and were willing to worship him as a CMA hero. They get annoyed if you point out Cung Le is a TKD fighter and high school wrestler first and foremost and try to draw parallels on how similar it is to traditional kung fu. Everything is similar becuase we all have 2 arms and 2 legs, yet the style of TKD is not kung fu even though a kick may be a kick, and a punch is a punch. He is a TKD hero and i ackknowledge his skill in a sport setting.

Yes Cung Le is a SPORT hero. But not a fighting hero. People can be some of the best fighters in the world but lose in the street. Look at Fernando Vargas. Champion of the world in boxing, then gets beat to a pulp in a street fight.

[David Jamieson]

I had sunshine in my soul?

[Ming Yue]

I had sunshine in my soul?


you? no... haggis maybe, or ammonium nitrate.... but not sunshine.

:p

[northernArts]

They are blinded. They finally saw someone winning and were willing to worship him as a CMA hero. They get annoyed if you point out Cung Le is a TKD fighter and high school wrestler first and foremost and try to draw parallels on how similar it is to traditional kung fu. Everything is similar becuase we all have 2 arms and 2 legs, yet the style of TKD is not kung fu even though a kick may be a kick, and a punch is a punch. He is a TKD hero and i ackknowledge his skill in a sport setting.

Yes Cung Le is a SPORT hero. But not a fighting hero. People can be some of the best fighters in the world but lose in the street. Look at Fernando Vargas. Champion of the world in boxing, then gets beat to a pulp in a street fight.

I think you should read "Chinese Fast Wrestling for Fighting" before you label single & double leg takedowns as 'high school wrestling.' Those moves are in shuai chiao.

OK on to the rest. First I don't care if Cung Le learned from TKD at first. When he stepped into the san shou competition circuit he started participating in something that is CMA. San shou is a basic format and it allows people from all over to develop their skills in a sport environment. Sport is important. Yes CMA is more than sport - but sports aren't bad things. Cung Le is helping to promote san shou and that helps us all. Just as if he was promoting shuai chiao tournaments. San shou is helping to further traditional CMA. They both can feed from each other.

I don't really care who wins at san shou - I care that it gets promoted. Why do you even care what his background was before san shou?

[lkfmdc]

Actually, I taught Chris a whole series of special Chi KUng postures....

Lo Han accepts a red envelope

Immortal drinks double Latte

Furry Weasal jumps in a hole

Giant Bear drops chi in forest...

real secret stuff :eek:

[Judge Pen]

Actually, I taught Chris a whole series of special Chi KUng postures....

Lo Han accepts a red envelope

Immortal drinks double Latte

Furry Weasal jumps in a hole

Giant Bear drops chi in forest...

real secret stuff :eek:

Lol. Reminds me of a particularly eventful weekend.

[Ming Yue]

Actually, I taught Chris a whole series of special Chi KUng postures....

...Giant Bear drops chi in forest...



My Sifu knows that one...

:D

[Fallout]

I think you should read "Chinese Fast Wrestling for Fighting" before you label single & double leg takedowns as 'high school wrestling.' Those moves are in shuai chiao.

OK on to the rest. First I don't care if Cung Le learned from TKD at first. When he stepped into the san shou competition circuit he started participating in something that is CMA. San shou is a basic format and it allows people from all over to develop their skills in a sport environment. Sport is important. Yes CMA is more than sport - but sports aren't bad things. Cung Le is helping to promote san shou and that helps us all. Just as if he was promoting shuai chiao tournaments. San shou is helping to further traditional CMA. They both can feed from each other.

I don't really care who wins at san shou - I care that it gets promoted. Why do you even care what his background was before san shou?


As i said before, all sytles tend to have a punch, but they are not the same style just becuase they close a fist and hit people. Shuai chiao may have takedowns, but Cung Le has been doing american folkstyle wrestling since he was a kid. He represents wrestling.

He started participating in CMA? You said san shou was just a format. Or a set of rules? He is beating you at your own game using TKD and wrestling. This is not becuase TKD is superior. It is becuase TKD and wrestling are DESIGNED for a sport setting. Ever see him do a flying scissors takedown? that's from TKD. But many times he ends up on his back and the other guy is able to stand up before him. Not very wise in the street.

[lkfmdc]

The ha gow tin stacking I deny any responsibility for... it's clearly a genetic trait from "your people"... you just weren't aware they were "your people" until you were an adult :p

The sclaes? Well, can you fly yet? get back to me when you can fly!

Oh, regarding OCD, do you know that they have diagnosed the nerological sydrome that causes it (originates it), and like all latin long names it has an acronym

P.A.N.D.A.S

Pandas!

So blame Ling Ling of Xing xing for it!

[lkfmdc]

Wait, did you say you LOST the urge to stack?

Don't sit there, go to the ER immediately! And if something starts sticking out of you lower abdomen, grab a knife and take a deep breath

[northernArts]

As i said before, all sytles tend to have a punch, but they are not the same style just becuase they close a fist and hit people. Shuai chiao may have takedowns, but Cung Le has been doing american folkstyle wrestling since he was a kid. He represents wrestling.

He started participating in CMA? You said san shou was just a format. Or a set of rules? He is beating you at your own game using TKD and wrestling. This is not becuase TKD is superior. It is becuase TKD and wrestling are DESIGNED for a sport setting. Ever see him do a flying scissors takedown? that's from TKD. But many times he ends up on his back and the other guy is able to stand up before him. Not very wise in the street.

Well it is true that different styles create power differently - but no one owns particular techniques. I mean what is the difference between a double leg takedown in shuai chiao and a double leg takedown in american folk wrestling? I don't know shuai chiao - maybe they create power or move in a different way than folk style american wrestling. As for the scissors takedown there is one exactly like it in the koy moon/opening the door form of northern shaolin.

Maybe Cung Le had a san shou coach that taught him i- that's what I was trying to say before. If not I still don't care because he is promoting san shou and in the long run that will help people in CMA - it will give them a sport to do on the side - a place where they can test things because it allows grappling. So if CMA is suffering because it lacks this place for testing and sport it will be helped by san shou.

I don't need to see anyone come forward to vindicate CMA in san shou. But if you do then good for you. San shou gives CMA people an alternative to the UFC events. I'm happy about that.

[lkfmdc]

When real kung fu is mastered, no can defend

you learn to levitate and double kick

like this

http://ca1n.c.yimg.jp/sports/sn2005081723313900019872m/sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/fight/pict/200508/im00019865.jpg

[Scott R. Brown]

Hi Chris,

Scenario 1:

Cat (Troll) puts out bait:

“The world is flat!!!!”

Response:

Result: Cat plays alone!!

Scenario 2:

Cat (Troll) puts out bait: “The world is flat!!”

Tiger (Educated, Articulate, Mature): Eratosthenes of Cyrene in approximately the year 220 B.C. estimated the diameter of the earth by measuring the angle of the shadow of the sun down two wells in Egypt and using simple geometry…..

Result: Tiger plays with Cat until he gets tired, then goes to sleep!

Scenarios 3:

Cat (Troll) puts out bait: “The world is flat!”

Mouse (Mental Midget, Inarticulate, Immature, Self Appointed Arbiter of Intelligent Comments):

“Hey there Mr. Cat, you’re a Troll!!

Cat: “Well you do realize that there are many besides myself who believe the world is flat!!”

Mouse 1: “Well you’re a poo poo head!!!”

Mouse 2: “Yeah!! What he said!!!”

Mouse 3: Yeah!!! Stupid Cat!!!”

Cat: Here are some links on the net hosted by others who believe the world is flat too!!

Mouse 1: Hey Cat!!! Why don’t you go play with the other poo poo head Cats?”

Mouse 2: “Yeah!! What he said!!!”

Mouse 3: Yeah!!! Stupid Cat!!!”

Result: Cat plays with mice who think they are smarter than the Cat. When Mice try to bite and claw Cat he bats them around until he gets tired and then goes to sleep!

In a few days Cat comes back:


Cat: America didn’t really go to the moon! It was all done in a Hollywood Studio!!!

Mouse (Mental Midget, Inarticulate, Immature, Self Appointed Arbiter of Intelligent Comments):

“Hey there Mr. Cat, you’re a Troll!!

Cat: “Well you do realize that there are many besides myself who believe the world is flat!!”

Mouse 1: “Well you’re a poo poo head!!!”

Mouse 2: “Yeah!! What he said!!!”

Mouse 3: Yeah!!! Stupid Cat!!!”

Cat: Here are some links on the net hosted by others who believe the world is flat too!!

Mouse 1: Hey Cat!!! Why don’t you go play with the other poo poo head Cats?”

Mouse 2: “Yeah!! What he said!!!”

Mouse 3: Yeah!!! Stupid Cat!!!”

Result: Cat plays with mice who think they are smarter than the Cat. When Mice try to bite and claw Cat he bats them around until he gets tired and then goes to sleep!


Over and over and over and over and over again!!

Those mice sure are smart!!! I want to be one when I grow up!!

[Chief Fox]

The world is flat.

Here's a link to others that think the world is flat too: Flat Earth Society (http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm)

[Scott R. Brown]

Hi Chris,

Tiger (Educated, Articulate, Mature)

Watches silly Mouse toyed with by Cat.

“Hey Mouse, you know you are being made a fool of by that Cat! He is having his way with you and in your foolishness you think you are having your way with him!”

Mouse (Mental Midget, Inarticulate, Immature, Self Appointed Arbiter of Intelligent Comments)

Constantly played with and tormented by Cat, Mouse becomes deranged and confused! No longer knowing up from down, right from left he digs deep into his reservoir of big vocabulary words and deep thinkingness and comes up with his newest killer insult:

“Shut up stupid Tiger! You’re just a poo poo head!!”

Tiger (Educated, Articulate, Mature)

Thinking to himself, “Silly Mouse”, Tiger shakes his head and takes a nap!!
___________________________________________

Just so you know how lame and predictable your last two responses were, I wrote mine before I even read yours!

If you don’t like Trolls how about you stop acting like one yourself!!!

I’m going to take a nap!!!

[lkfmdc]

Scott

Time to change your sig line

the training is complete :rolleyes:

[PangQuan]

did i start all this???


woopsie...

[5Animals1Path]

This is all extremely funny.

[PangQuan]

i am any personality that has over 100 posts.

[Vasquez]

so you want to get me banned ha. well T.T.T.H!!!!!!!!!!!

[PangQuan]

what is T. T. T. H. mean ?

[Vasquez]

talk to the hand

[YuanZhideDiZhen]

I am not ROTS and don't even know who that is. But if you can point out an error I have made in my statements of Cung Le then please do so, rather than calling troll when i say something you don't like.

now: you're novice troll food perhaps beginning to wake up.

[YuanZhideDiZhen]

Is cung le a TKD stylist or not?

he's from david chen's school in hawaii. plus some other techniques added in for spice.

[YuanZhideDiZhen]

- he's not just looking for opinions - he's trashing one of the more sucessful fighters based on assertions he can't back up in any way, and furthermore, WHO CARES? talk about intolerance of other people - if Cung Le wants to do all the above, fine - how does his activity, even if it were selling out, harm traditional CMA? it's a big world with a lot of variety - peole will do what they want to do and everyone will find his niche; so Sellout, sorry, Fallout needs to learn some manners and propriety, in my opinion, if he wants to be given the level of consideration he seems to want to have; plus he's a newbie who writes a lot like ROT did - so what are we supposed to think?

- maybe Fallout will read and learn some basic decorum skills...

okay, as far as forum ettiquite is concerned all of this is true troll style. the focus of the troll is to reduce a logical person to an emotional response. notice the spelling and punctuation errors in your post: he really got under your skin. he has succesfully made you lower your outgoing bullsh1t screen and elevated your emotional responses to a lifeless computer screen onwhich nobody knows who you are. his troll skills rate an A+ for this post.

[YuanZhideDiZhen]

aside from my comments above there is a lot of plagarism from the comments by Zhong Gau at karate forums (whom many of you have accused me of being). word for word paragraphs and quotes about trolling and the nature of the agruement's basic formulation, response, general forum ettiquite, and the a55holes that reside on the forums and the rivalries that remain in cma and across the ma world in general.

Plagarists!

[Vasquez]

My sifu always says if you can';t control yourself you allow others to control you.

[cam]

Curious..... Vasquez, If you could control yourself, you wouldn't need to post!

[Vasquez]

Oh yes i can. I do stance training many hours a day.