Fake Shaolin Groups

[shaolintemple]

Venerable Abbot of Shaolinsi Shi Yong Xin statement about Shaolin Wusheng Performances around the world.

1. Since January 2005, Shaolin Temple has not sent any official Shaolin Monk groups to United States. Any performance groups

are not from Shaolin Temple itself; they are from local schools which using the Shaolin Temple's name.

2. The name of the Shaolin Temple's Abbot is Shi Yong Xin. There is no Shaolin monk named Shi Yong Yao. (This fake man is

trying to impersonate the Abbot of the shaolin Temple)

3. Only Shaolin Wheel of Life and Shaolin Warriors tours are from Shaolin Temple and both performance troupes are still in

China. And there is no plan to come for any "charity" performance in the United States during this spring.

4. Fake Shaolin groups and monks have already harmed Venerable Abbot??s Name and Path and most important the Shaolin Temple

reputation.

5. They are using Shaolin Temple??s name to deceive people in the name of charity.


Shaolin Temple??s Attorney Mister Huang Kun states that there are some ways to tell if a show is from the Shaolin Temple.

1. The official Chinese website of the Shaolin Temple http://www.shaolin.org.cn/ where all the important official activities

are announced and listed.

2. Almost all major performances of the Shaolin Wu Sheng are led by Venerable Abbot Shi Yong Xin personally.

3. Contact the temple directly.
CHINA HENAN SONGSHAN SHAOLIN TEMPLE
DENGFENG CITY, POST 452491
HENAN PROVINCE
FAX: 03717300001

Any usage of Shaolin Temple's name without Abbot Shi Yong Xin's permission cannot represent Shaolin Temple.

[GeneChing]

You've posted a lot of odd factoid posts today. It would be much better if you could research our archives and post your comments on the appropriate threads. Many of these topics have already been discussed and are somewhat old news. Here's a thread would have been good to add this post to... (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35698)

[shaolintemple]

I am sorry, I certainly notice next time

[Vasquez]

Note that they could still be good at kung fu, very good in fact. They may have rebelled against shaolin teachings but they still have the kung fu to show for.

[Dale Dugas]

Good Kung Fu?

Like of all the f***ing trolls on the planet you would know MA from your own behind.

Please............


ROFLMAO.

Dale

[Vasquez]

Honestly you can't tell a shaolin monk when you see one.... ohhhh pls.

[GeneChing]

This is a great story - like something out of a classic wuxia tale yet in modern day PRC.

Fake monks besiege Chinese police station (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/11/fake-monks-china-police-station)

Police from Baotou city say incident began when what appeared to be group of monks attacked toll booth before escaping by bus

Police in northern China faced an unexpected and unholy menace last week when more than 100 fake monks besieged their police station, a Chinese newspaper reported today.

Police from Baotou city, in inner Mongolia, told the North News that the incident began last Wednesday when what appeared to be a group of monks attacked a toll booth and escaped by bus.

Officers stopped the vehicle at a roadblock after a lengthy car chase and arrested 31 of the men – but the suspects fought back with steel bars and knives, allowing the rest to make their getaway on a double-decker bus.

The following day, more than 100 men, apparently monks, besieged the city's Guyang police station to demand the release of those arrested.

The central public security bureau had to dispatch 500 officers, including 200 members of the armed police, to protect the building.

They arrested 178 fake monks, confiscating the sticks, knives, fake medicines and fake gold necklaces they were carrying.

Police said the group was an organised gang made up mostly of farmers from Hunan, who paid the leaders 20 yuan (£2) a day for the privilege of membership.

The men pretended to be monks so they could make money performing martial arts, claim to be able to cure people of illnesses and sell medications. Some also extorted money.

The public security bureaus in Guyang county and Baotou declined to comment on the case when contacted by the Guardian.

Earlier this year, media in eastern Shandong province reported that police had caught eight fake monks from a gang of 58 who were peddling a herbal paste they claimed could cure all known diseases.

In other cases, impostors have claimed to be from the famous Shaolin temple, only to be exposed by the poor quality of their martial arts performances.

Genuine monks have repeatedly complained about people masquerading as lamas, often in or near the grounds of temples.

[richard sloan]

...Genuine monks have repeatedly complained about people masquerading as lamas, often in or near the grounds of temples...

Now THAT can be read a few ways lol! what rich imagery.

[David Jamieson]

I'm pretty sure I could spot a pantomime Lamma lurking around a temple.

The fur would look fake and it would be walking funny.

[richard sloan]

that conjures images of when those imbeciles steve-o and friends dressed as a fake zebra and walked by some lions on the serengeti.

[tiaji1983]

Hey! I know a fake Shaolin guy here in Tx. This guy went to train in Shaolin for 1 week, and trained with a teacher who altered the forms he learned and is now calling it Shaolin Wushu. He calls himself Sigung, and he made 8 Shaolin forms calls Shaolin Bagua.... He also made his own Taichi completely ignoring principles and called it Yang Chen Fu, even though he doesnt abide by the Yang's signature softness... Sorry to rant, just the thread hit close to home cuz I studied "Taichi" with this guy for a full year and it wasted my time and money... Only if there was some way to warn people about these schools... :(

[Eugene]

You can eazaly tell when a monk is fake,

If they walk on stage with the robes, and bald head, you cant see it yet, but as soon they show a routine of something, there footwork says it all.

I have seen Shaolin Monks perform on stage with footwork, that is to be ashamed.

I think there are worldwide maybe 30 good Shaolin Monks.


Peace Eugene

[GeneChing]

Saw this earlier but didn't catch the Shaolin connection until now.

Billionaire who stiffed homeless now accused of faking Ice Bucket Challenge (http://nypost.com/2014/08/27/billionaire-who-stiffed-homeless-now-accused-of-faking-ice-bucket-challenge/)
By Natalie O'Neill
August 27, 2014 | 10:12am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBlodvOTLs

The Chinese billionaire who irked scores of homeless New Yorkers by failing to deliver a promise to give them cash is facing accusations that he faked an ice bucket challenge.

Chen Guangbiao — the self-styled “biggest philanthropist” in China — claimed he spent 30 minutes in a plastic bin of freezing water before donating more than $165,000 to fund medical research, according to Central European News.

“As China’s chief philanthropist and number one low-carbon environmentalist it is my honor to help people afflicted with motor neuron disease,” Guangbiao proclaimed on the social media site, Weibo.

“If anyone can sit in this ice water longer than my 30 minutes, I will donate another one million Yuan,” he posted along with a video.
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Chen Guangbiao angered homeless New Yorkers in June at an event at Central Park’s Boathouse restaurant.Photo: James Messerschmidt

But eagle-eyed observers claim the eccentric recycling magnate staged the frigid challenge — by using big chunks of fake acrylic ice cubes in the video, which was filmed in Nanjing.

They pointed out the “ice” sank in the water instead of floating.

“Human beings can only stay in ice water for a few minutes. At the beginning, they must have poured warm water and fake ice onto Chen,” slammed on online critic, Xian Yang.

Guangbiao, who’s notorious for flashy media stunts, fired back, saying his martial arts skills helped him stay tough in the cold water.

“I used to practice Kung Fu at the famous Shaolin Temple, so my health is much better than most other people,” he explained.

“The bin isn’t very big and as Chen is quite chubby his body takes up so much space there isn’t room for much water and ice anyway,” he said, speaking about himself in a weird third-person joke.

In June, Guangbiao treated four busloads of homeless people to lunch at The Loeb Boathouse in Central Park after posting an ad offering the meal and $300 cash.

But many guests were angry after he failed to fork over the cash.

[GeneChing]

I should note that this thread doesn't reflect on Shaolin itself. It's more about those that take advantage of Shaolin and in the process, sully the Shaolin name.


Controversial philanthropist admitted cheating (http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/controversial-philanthropist-admitted-cheating)
Wang ZhenghuaChina Daily/Asia News NetworkFriday, Mar 20, 2015

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Controversial Chinese philanthropist Chen Guangbiao admitted he cheated in the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge, Sanxiang Metropolis Daily reported on Thursday.

In an interview taken earlier this month, the 47-year-old philanthropist, who made his millions in recycling, called his challenge a plotted performance art instead of a real one.
The authenticity of his challenge had drawn widespread doubts with Chen kept denying them, saying he knows martial arts and once was trained in the well-known Shaolin Temple.
The ALS Ice Bucket Challenge was popular worldwide as a way to raise money for the treatment and research of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, commonly known in North America as Lou Gehrig's disease.
Participants pour buckets of ice water over themselves on camera. They can then either challenge someone to either take buckets of ice water or donate money to ALS research.
Last August, Chen uploaded two video clips to his micro blog that showed him taking the challenge.
In the video, Chen broke up a massive chunk of ice and then entered a garbage bin about 1 meter tall. His employees then poured more than 30 buckets of ice water with ice cubes onto him.
After pouring the ice water on Chen, his employees then put in the bucket some of the ice fragments that Chen had made from the ice block he had smashed.
According to commentary on the video, Chen stayed in the bucket for about 30 minutes.
In the latest interview, Chen said that ice fragments and block are authentic ice. But the garbage bin he stayed was filled with hot water with a temperature of about 50 C. Although a thermometer showed the temperature in the bin stood at freezing point, the bin was actually quite warm.
"Combined hot water with iced one, the temperature in the bin lingers at 25 C, about the same with the temperature of a hotel's swimming pool," Chen was quoted as saying.
He also said that it's no big deal for him to stay in such a bin for one hour or longer.
Among the people who keep challenging the authenticity of Chen's video is Wen Deyuan, director of Hunan Institute of Sexual Health.
With experiments on three mice, Wen made the public claim that dipping in freezing cold water for five minutes would lead to sterility.

[curenado]

That's right! So if there is someone "throwing a pin through a pane of glass" and they aren't of the abbot - that's an imposter!
(Ahahaha could not help that one)

[GeneChing]

More fake monks - not Shaolin - but in NYC and it made the Late Show with Stephen Colbert last night.


NYC Buddhists warn of 'fake monks' who get hostile if tourists don't give them money (http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2016/06/nyc_buddhists_warn_of_fake_monks_who_get_hostile_i f_tourists_dont_give_them_mone.html)

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In this June 23, 2016 photo, a man who says he is a Buddhist monk hands a medallion to a woman as he solicits donations on New York City's Times Square. Leaders of New York City's Buddhist community said that men in orange robes seeking donations near New York's popular tourist attractions are fakes, posing as monks to trick people into giving up their money. (AP Photo/Michael Balsamo)

Associated Press By Associated Press
on June 27, 2016 at 1:22 AM, updated June 27, 2016 at 1:33 AM

NEW YORK — New York City Buddhist leaders are sounding the alarm to tourists: Beware the "fake monks."

Men in orange robes claiming to be Buddhist monks are approaching visitors to some of the city's most popular attractions, handing them shiny medallions and offering greetings of peace. They then hit them up for donations to help them build a temple in Thailand, and are persistent if their demands are refused.

"The problem seems to be increasing," said the Rev. TK Nakagaki, president of the Buddhist Council of New York, a group that represents nearly two dozen Buddhist temples. "They are very aggressive and hostile if you don't give them money."

His group has taken to the streets and social media to warn people that the men appear to have no affiliation to any Buddhist temple. "Please be aware," read one Facebook post, "this is a scam."

Along the popular High Line elevated park, one of the robed men handed a couple a shiny, gold-colored medallion and a plastic beaded bracelet. He then showed them photos of a planned temple and barked, "Ten dollars! Twenty dollars!" When they wouldn't give up cash, he snatched the trinkets back.

Other brightly robed men have been spotted pulling the same routine, albeit more successfully, in Times Square, not far from where costumed characters such as Elmo, Minnie Mouse and the Naked Cowboy take pictures with tourists for tips. Some of the monks were later seen handing wads of cash to another man waiting nearby.

The Associated Press tried to ask more than half-dozen of the men about their background and the temple they said the donations were being used to support. Each claimed to be a Buddhist monk collecting money for a temple in Thailand, but none could give its name or say where exactly it is located. All the men refused to give their names and ran off when pressed for answers.

The men first started appearing at the High Line, a New York City public park that's maintained by a private nonprofit group, about three years ago, said Robert Hammond, executive director of Friends of the High Line. But it "became excessive" in the past year, he said, with up to a dozen of the men accosting tourists at once and sometimes grabbing them to demand cash.

Panhandling on city streets isn't illegal in New York, as long as the person isn't acting aggressively. But the city's parks department has a rule that says it is unlawful to solicit money without a permit from the parks commissioner.

When asked about the men, New York City Parks Commissioner Mitchell Silver initially said, "I have no idea what you're talking about." He later said that if the men aren't abiding by the law, "the parks enforcement patrol will take care of it."

But parks department spokeswoman Crystal Howard said parks enforcement officers hadn't issued any summonses and the men's actions were "aggressive panhandling," a violation of state law that would be enforced by police. New York City police say that in the rare cases when someone has called 911 against the men, they were usually gone by the time officers arrived.

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In Wednesday, June 22, 2016 photo, pedestrians pass a warning sign on panhandlers on The High Line, one of New York City's most visited attractions.
AP Photo/Frank Franklin II

A few days after the AP inquired about the men on the High Line, several signs were posted there with photos of them, warning visitors not to give money to panhandlers.

Similarly robed men have been spotted in San Francisco, asking tourists to sign their "peace petition" before demanding cash. In China, authorities said the problem of "fake" monks begging in the streets prompted them to create an online registry of all actual Buddhist and Taoist sites.

In Times Square, the warnings came too late for tourist Rob Cardillo, of Pennsylvania. He gave a robed man $10 to help out with his temple, without ever asking anything about the temple or what the money would be used for.

"He might be fake, but it's the thought and I feel it," Cardillo said as he gripped the gold medallion.

I've dealt with such pitches in S.F. :mad:

[LFJ]

Same in China. They can be spotted a mile away because they're usually wearing Jiefang Xie (Liberation Shoes) most migrant workers wear, like army green Feiyue, and shorts or some other kind of unfitting pant under the outer robe. They never seem to have the whole getup.

It probably works well in China because there are many "cultural Buddhists" who actually know little to nothing about Buddhism.

I always ask them to recite the Heart Sutra first. That drives them away quickly before their cover is blown in front of everyone.

[hskwarrior]

Maybe they belong to SHAOLIN DO.....(i'll repost it, i swear :O)

[GeneChing]

I was going to comment on the original post (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?49520-Shaolin-Journeys&p=1294969#post1294969) that the 'monks' didn't look like official Shaolin reps, but it's been a long time since I've been there, so I refrained. Looks like some things haven't changed. :rolleyes:


Dwyane Wade was escorted around Shaolin Temple by fake Shaolin monks (http://shanghaiist.com/2016/07/26/dwyane_wade_shaolin_months_fake.php)

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China runs rampant with fakes, a fact that Dwyane Wade should be aware of as he embarks on his latest collaboration with Li-Ning. On his China tour to promote his new "Way of Wade" brand, Wade was given a first-hand lesson in this during his stop at the world-famous Shaolin Temple, where he was escorted around by a pair of fake monks.
During his time at Shaolin, Wade and his wife was photographed burning incense and learning kung fu with the help of his wise monk guides. But after further inspection of those photos, it turns out that the "monks" weren't wearing the correct clothing and weren't from Shaolin. Furthermore, the temple has denied that it ever organized a tour for the visiting NBA superstar.
In a statement, Shaolin Temple detailed how the publicity behind the illegitimate event had "confused netizens and negatively impacted Shaolin Temple's reputation." The 1,500 year old temple that is considered to be the birthplace of kung fu, has also threatened legal action against the individuals who damaged their sterling reputation.

http://shanghaiist.com/attachments/shang_shanghaiist/dwayne_wade_shaolin.jpg

Along with the statement, the temple attached some pictures, pointing out how the man in the orange robe wasn't dressed properly for a monk and that none of the Shaolin monks recognize the man. Although it isn't clear if Wade's guides were monks or not, they definitely did not come from Shaolin.

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Well, it's no wonder that he was so bad at kung fu then! Seriously, though, how weird is this?
By Sarah Lin
[Images via People's Daily / Shaolin Temple]

[donnyir]

I was going to comment on the original post (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?49520-Shaolin-Journeys&p=1294969#post1294969) that the 'monks' didn't look like official Shaolin reps, but it's been a long time since I've been there, so I refrained. Looks like some things haven't changed. :rolleyes:

I think he's the same monk as in this video


http://youtu.be/f8reyn2woGs