Lien Wan Chop Choy

[TenTigers]

how do you define/describe this technique? Is it a concept, or a specific series of strikes?
What is the rolling panther strikes?

[extrajoseph]

Hi Ten Tigers,

Lian Wan or Lian Huan in Mandarin is a concept (continuously rolling) and Chop Choy or Cha Chui in Mandarin is a technique, so it is both a conceptual as well as a technical term. This move is done with Yin Chaap and Yang chaap rolling into each other continuously. Tam Sarm made his reputation on this one!

Here are the Chinese characters:

http://chineselanguage.org/cgi-bin/view.php?dbase=ccdict&query=9023&mode=internal&lang=en&beijing=pinyin&canton=jyutping&meixian=pinjim&sound=0&fields=radical,index,mandarin,english

http://chineselanguage.org/cgi-bin/view.php?dbase=ccdict&query=73AF&mode=internal&lang=en&beijing=pinyin&canton=jyutping&meixian=pinjim&sound=0&fields=radical,index,mandarin,english

http://chineselanguage.org/cgi-bin/view.php?dbase=ccdict&query=63D2&mode=internal&lang=en&beijing=pinyin&canton=jyutping&meixian=pinjim&sound=0&fields=radical,index,mandarin,english

http://chineselanguage.org/cgi-bin/view.php?dbase=ccdict&query=6425&mode=internal&lang=en&beijing=pinyin&canton=jyutping&meixian=pinjim&sound=0&fields=radical,index,mandarin,english

Peace.

[extrajoseph]

There is an interesting story about how this term “Lin Wan Chaap Cheoi” got b$stardi$ed.

As I said earlier, Tarm Sarm made his name in Guangzhou using this and he did it with such speed and explosive power that people used to call "Lin Wan Yum Yang Chaap” a series of “Pao Chui”, meaning Canon Fists, like canon balls being fired one after another.

But later on, when Bak Sing spread to Hong Kong and overseas, "Pao" meaning Canon was mistaken for "Pao" meaning Panther, because they both sounded the same, so some people started to do the Panther strikes by holding the Chaap Cheoi fist with open fingers to imitate a Panther’s claw instead of a tight fist with the thumb and fingers pressed firmly against each other to concentrate the jing in the hand.

A Panther does not have a fist, it has claws. :D

Here are the Chinese characters for Canon and Panther.

Canon:

http://chineselanguage.org/cgi-bin/view.php?dbase=ccdict&query=7832&mode=internal&lang=en&beijing=pinyin&canton=jyutping&meixian=pinjim&sound=0&fields=radical,index,mandarin,english

Panther/Leopard:

http://chineselanguage.org/cgi-bin/view.php?dbase=ccdict&query=8C79&mode=internal&lang=en&beijing=pinyin&canton=jyutping&meixian=pinjim&sound=0&fields=radical,index,mandarin,english

[CLFNole]

XJ:

The way you describe lien wan chop is what I have always called tau lau chop. Are they different names for the same thing?

Thanks

[Ou Ji]

Also sounds like fanche in Northern Mantis. Didn't know CLF had anything like this but then I don't know a lot of CLF either.

[extrajoseph]

XJ:

The way you describe lien wan chop is what I have always called tau lau chop. Are they different names for the same thing?

Thanks

Hi CLFNole,

They are much the same but tau lau chop is re-active whereas lin wan chop is pro-active. One you wait for the other to block (swollow) before you chop again (spit), the other is rapid firing and charging in at the same time and Tarm Sarm was really good at that.

At least that is the way I learned it.

:)

[CLFNole]

Thanks, didn't realize they had two different names.

If I understand it correctly then if I hit high with a yum chop followed immediately by yueng chop to the body it would be lien wan chop.

If I sent out a yenung chop to the body as a fake baiting the oppenent to block it then up him touching my arm rolling it immediately into yum chop high, this would be tau lau chop>

Please correct me if I have it wrong I know both the techniques I just thought the name was the same.

Thanks

[extrajoseph]

Hi CLFNole,

Yes, but don't forget to pun with the other hand working together all the time. In lin wan you don't stop and in tau lau there is timing involved.

I hope you can also appreciate that tau lau is more subtle and is more suitable for a smaller frame with nimble feet and body while lin wun is more gross and more useful for a stronger built.

In CLF each subtle difference in technique and/or intention is usually followed by a different term. Please don't think of it as me correcting anyone, I am just sharing what I have been taught, that is all.

Peace.

:)

[CLFNole]

No problem, unfortunately I never learned this terminology from Sifu Lee Koon Hung. Learned the tau lau phrase from Li Siu Hung; however he never really gets into the differences in chinese terminology too much with us since our cantonese is "ma ma dey" if you know what I mean.

We use the poon kiu and also cum jeurng with the tau lau chop. I understand what you mean about the timing becuase its kind of an in and out technique.

[extrajoseph]

Yes it is a kind of in and out technique and we both like it! :D

[CLFNole]

Wooooah!!!!! :eek:

Lets keep it PG-13. (just kidding)

Kind of goes along with the CLF 3/4 staff form. ;)