Most Effective MA Style for Multiple Attackers?

[-disciple-]

In your opinion, what is the most effective MA Style for facing multiple attackers. I already know that it's best not to have to fight multiple opponents, and that it's reccomended you run away, etc, etc. Im looking for what you all consider to be the most effective MA Style for multiple opponents. Is there one? Your opinions please.

[aikido_student4]

From what little I know I would have to say aki jujitsu would be pretty effective if you learned what you needed to know about multiple attackers.

[Oso]

smart girl

[Dim Wit Mak]

I won't venture a guess about the "best" but Choy Lay Fut is known to be amongst the best for multiple attackers.

[Wong Fei Hong]

I dont think its so much a case of style more a case of how you train that style, even bjj could be used against multiple attackers :D J/k
But seriously if you take any martial art that trains for 2-3 on 1 confrontations , with half an ounce of realism, then you will find that they are all pretty much the same, going to a tkd school which emphasises realism and not sport orientated, i believe is much better than going to a hung gar school that teaches you all forms and no application. Even though at first glance something like hung gar i would say is orientated at taking out opponents fast.

[joedoe]

Automatic-rifle-fu :D

[SPJ]

Believe it or not. All styles are designed to fight multiple opponent's till you drop or fall.

Ba Gua may hit high mid low, left right, front and rear in turns. That is the advantage of moving around in a circle.

Other styles are more like 4 directions or 4 fronts. Left right, front, and rear. They are equivalent to west, east, north and south.

Xing Yi may fight only one front at a time but you may still turn your front to 4 directions in turn.

etc etc.

[Oso]

Great Zod!

Defense against multiple attackers is about strategy and tactics. Technique is subordinate to both of those so 'style' doesn't enter into the equation.

The number of dumb ass threads on this forum is approaching critical mass.

[SPJ]

If you use a long staff, a long spear, a broad sword etc from your style practice;

You know you are fighting with multiple opponents all the time.

There are a couple of terms.

Lai Wan or come and go. You move forward and back. You move left and right etc. There are defense and attack on 2 fronts or more.

Hui Zhuan or turning around. Again there are attacks on multiple fronts.

Every step and move have to attack on one front or 2 fronts or more at the same time.

For example, we use a long staff.

We swing low to the left to hit the leg of the opponent on the left. We then swing back to the right to hit the leg of the opponent on the right.

We swing upward to the left and the right to hit the head.upper arm of the opponent on the left and right.

etc etc.

you punch right fist forward to hit the chest of the opponent in the front. when you retract your right fist, you elbow strike the opponent in the back.

Or your right fist forward and your left elbow backward to hit the opponent in the front and the back at the same time.

etc etc

:D

[David Jamieson]

In your opinion, what is the most effective MA Style for facing multiple attackers. I already know that it's best not to have to fight multiple opponents, and that it's reccomended you run away, etc, etc. Im looking for what you all consider to be the most effective MA Style for multiple opponents. Is there one? Your opinions please.

no. there is no one style that has as it's only focus multiple opponents.
every style has some way or lesson in how to deal with such an encounter.
concepts like:

-keep a line of escape where possible
-don't open your back to any of them
-take the big one first/take the leader first
-take the weak ones first
-get to higher ground
-keep your back to a wall
-avoid a clinch situation
-avoid the ground
-strike and escape

and so on

[Sifu Darkfist]

hey im gonna say it ba ba ba BAJI.
Heres why.
It is designed to concentrate maximum power onto target with each strike.
couple that with focus on nads eyes throat whatever and you have a great tactical fighting system. That is why it is a bodygaurd style.

[bodhitree]

hand gernades, uzi, forcefield, horse-stance judo kicks after spending weeks in the woods with a mysterious master.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

jesus.

a good prayer should do the trick.

[Oso]

Jesus never went anywhere w/o a posse.

[bodhitree]

suicide bomb

[yenhoi]

Very few schools actually address "multiple-opponents" in any sort of actual training manner. Lip service at best.

http://www.army.mil/usapa/doctrine/Active_FM.html

I think 21-150 is the unarmed combat manual with probably the best lined-out tactics for multiple-opponent training that you can find on the net.

Some decent videos and chat can be found on the systema/rma websites and lots of stuff at Demi barbitos place (and links too i think..) www.demibarbito.com

I doubt that any of us train multiple opponents with any frequency.

:eek:

[hskwarrior]

in traditional martial arts, i personally would have to say aside from the individual making the system work for him, Choy Lee Fut is one of the only systems that was geared for fighting multiple attackers. at our school alot of our drills focus on striking more than one opponent simultaneously.

as most people should know, Choy Lee Fut was created in time of war and only the best and most effective was kept.

but in the end, i still say it the individual.

hsk

[hskwarrior]

in traditional martial arts, i personally would have to say aside from the individual making the system work for him, Choy Lee Fut is one of the only systems that was geared for fighting multiple attackers. at our school alot of our drills focus on striking more than one opponent simultaneously.

as most people should know, Choy Lee Fut was created in time of war and only the best and most effective was kept.

but in the end, i still say it the individual.

hsk

[Sifu Darkfist]

Very few schools actually address "multiple-opponents" in any sort of actual training manner. Lip service at best.

http://www.army.mil/usapa/doctrine/Active_FM.html

I think 21-150 is the unarmed combat manual with probably the best lined-out tactics for multiple-opponent training that you can find on the net.

Some decent videos and chat can be found on the systema/rma websites and lots of stuff at Demi barbitos place (and links too i think..) www.demibarbito.com

I doubt that any of us train multiple opponents with any frequency.

:eek:
about the only lip service we practice is fat lip service, we actually put fighters in the ring against 2 early then work their way up to three it builds the strongest endurance as well as the most alert fighters. i just assumed every one did this. I know it comes out of old northern styles such as those taught in wutang, but i would never generalize and think that few are doing it or that it is just a passing thing. We hold it up as a goal to be able to hold ouw own with multiples

[mickey]

Greetings,

The very best style is RUNNING. If one suddenly catches up with you, it is suddenly a one on one situation and you have to dispatch punishment quickly (like a strike to the eye, throat or groin) and continue to run. Scream for help... scream "HELP... GANG RAPE" if you have to. And keep running.

mickey

[Fu-Pow]

Brazilian Jujitsu....just hope that nobody's wearing steel toed work boots.

[viper]

fu pow are you saying in a fight say one vs five that the one guy should got to the ground to use bjj because to me that sounds crazy.

[hskwarrior]

yeah fu pow is that what you're saying?

[Fu-Pow]

fu pow are you saying in a fight say one vs five that the one guy should got to the ground to use bjj because to me that sounds crazy.

Nah...actually I'm saying the opposite....sarcastically.

[ChinoXL]

Me and my friends drunk and debating
ChinoXL: Hey Let's Jump Fu-Pow!!
As Fu Pow is walking down the street he heard ChinoXL and watched ChinoXL and his friends approach him; he knows it's going to hit the fan
Fu-Pow: Fu-Pow STaNCE~!!
friend 1: O **** he knows kung fu!!
friend 2: there's 5 of us chicken!!
friend 1: O right..
Now Fu pow stares at 5 of his attackers and think this is it; I have to hit first with all the kung-fu I trained or I'm going to be dead.. wait I can run but no.. that'll make me a chicken.. OKAY THIS IS IT!!
*Fu-Pow does a double leg take down on friend 1 and attempts a armbar*
ChinoXL: SHAOLIN SOCCER TIME!!
*Fu-Pow is knocked out and lost a wallet and cell and is toothless AND pi$$ed on kung fu hustle style*
Lesson of the day grapple on 1on1 not 5on1 & stick with choy lay fut x]

[Wong Fei Hong]

Man that was like fu-pow the text adventure lol,

You see 5 guys approaching, what do you do next :
>USE BRAZILIAN JUJITSU
As you get gang raped you realise this is a competition 1 on 1 style that usually takes 20 minutes in the ring to fend off one attacker.
LOAD / RESTART

> LOAD

You see 5 guys approaching, what do you do next :
>USE KUNG FU

You wonder which style to use as you see the guys getting closer :
>USE Choy lay fut

As you fend off all the attackers you start to wonder why this style isnt used in the ufc, as you look around you see 5 bodies laying around you and feel glad having retained your anal virginity, what do you do next :

[Sow Choy]

Hi all...

I agree any style can be used on multiple attackers... Even BJJ, just their has to be realistic tactics...

I do not believe goin to the floor to be one, or putting your back to be another...

We also train sparring 2 on 1 or 3 on 1, sometime 4 on 1...

If you have done this, you know no technique can save you as much as the element of surprise and position...

In these scenarios striking from a distance to me is more favorable... And yes running is very wise too once you can...

I was jumped by 4-5 guys, and if weren't for the swing strikes I used (swinging backfist follwed by straight punch with opposite hand, and swinging close lines... I would have not made it out in such good condition... A black eye and busted lip...

Staying close is not a good idea, so I would forget elbows unless you wind up that close... Keep one of them in between you blocking the others off...

But the best defense is to be more aware of whats goin on so you dont end up in this situation... It really does suck...

Joe

[Fu-Pow]

Dear ChinoXL and WongFeiHong,

While I give you 10 points for hilarity of content, I think you guys missed my point. I think you may find the following information enlightening:

Main Entry: sar·casm
Pronunciation: 'sär-"ka-z&m

1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain <tired of continual sarcasms>

2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm <this is no time to indulge in sarcasm>

[hskwarrior]

yeah right:D

[MasterKiller]

as most people should know, Choy Lee Fut was created in time of war and only the best and most effective was kept.


Only the best and most effective 200+ forms were kept, huh? How many did they throw away while stream-lining, 1,000?

[Wong Fei Hong]

cmon now fupow dont try to cover up :D

[Judge Pen]

Jesus never went anywhere w/o a posse.

Great quote. But the Romans still took him out.

As far as style, shaolin-do. Come on, it's as effective as anyother style against multiple opponents. Oso's point that style doesn't matter is the correct. It's strategy and tactics first. All styles have techniques to keep multiple people off of you, but if you don't employ those, or you stay and fight when you could run, then no style will help.

[ChinoXL]

Fu-Pow.. its a sarcastic joke to your sarcastic comment .. dun take it offensively; just a joke to make us all laugh :D