high kicks in the ring

[SevenStar]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7531422428227380479&q=kyuk+too+ki

[Ben Gash]

Interesting to see what's good and bad about high kicks in the one fight. That guy is SERIOUSLY fit. It would have been all I could do to land a decent leg kick in that last round.
Interesting to note that he did surprisingly little damage with his kicks (but then I'm a heavyweight)

[IronFist]

That little guy can kick pretty fast.

[metsubushi]

The good thing about high kicks is that they allow you to knock out a majorly powerful boxer that outweighs you by more than one hundred pounds, uglifying him in the process:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BjnkKuI-YAY

[mantis108]

I don't know but there is something seriously wrong with this "bout". It's more like a show intended to make people think that TKD is a viable art in the ring. Personally, I am not convinced by this demo.

First and foremost, the supposed MT guy is much taller and has definite reach advantage but he never ever make use of this. What's worst is that he acted like at times in fear of the shorter guy's kicks both high and low. So there's something fishing there already given MT is about dealing with strong kick whether high or low. This MT guy is more like a kicking or punching bag of the TKD (I suspect he got pay off before hand). The boxing skill is poor to the point that footwork is way off. He got lucky that the TKD guy almost always put himself off balance after the high kick which the commentator keep saying it in English "high kick" (as if....). Which bring the point why couldn't he finish the bout earily on?

I would think that they intentionally mismatch the size and skill level to boast the prowess of TKD. BTW, the TKD kicked the MT guy in the groin at least twice and the referee didn't even bother to want him about that?! WTF? Also everytime there's a clinch and/or close range stuff happen the ref almost always eagerly to jump in and break it off - favortism towards the TKD guy who seem to have little to no experience in that range. So either the match is a fix or the trainer of the MT is really not up to par IMHO. For all intent and purposes, this is just a show of power to prop up TKD. *two thumbs way down*

Mantis108

[metsubushi]

Here's Tae Kwon Do in K1

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DPU9WcdK3Qk

This dude has won a few K1 matches with his TKD. Three wins, four losses.

[mantis108]

You just have to love those elbows.... [ouch!]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ewhubeYYSvE&search=namsaknoi

Mantis108

PS I was not bashing TKD but that clip was just a low blow (pun intended).

[mantis108]

Beside the normal MMA flow from range to range watch out for those wild head butts! Now high kick can work very well too. Some Karate eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMjGQk-k2ZA

Mantis108

[metsubushi]

Wow, they allow groin kicks.

[SevenStar]

The good thing about high kicks is that they allow you to knock out a majorly powerful boxer that outweighs you by more than one hundred pounds, uglifying him in the process:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BjnkKuI-YAY


a good left hook will do the same thing...

and that varies with kicks also. check out the vid I posted. there are several head kicks that didn't phase his opponent.

[metsubushi]

a good left hook will do the same thing...

and that varies with kicks also. check out the vid I posted. there are several head kicks that didn't phase his opponent.


That's because the guy you posted had poor body mechanics. His legs were just kind of flailing around. Plus the guy was so much taller than him that he had to kick too high. Looks like he had fun though.

In general, I agree with you. But Kaoklai's hands are pretty weak so he didn't have the juice to knock out Mighty Mo. It would be ridiculous for him to go anywhere near trading blows with him. Mo tends to take out guys with one shot, and he's really good at countering low round kicks with his huge overhand. I think staying away and using his strongest weapon was the best thing for Kaoklai to do.

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kaokickmo3hb.jpg

[Hieronim]

I don't know but there is something seriously wrong with this "bout". It's more like a show intended to make people think that TKD is a viable art in the ring. Personally, I am not convinced by this demo.

First and foremost, the supposed MT guy is much taller and has definite reach advantage but he never ever make use of this. What's worst is that he acted like at times in fear of the shorter guy's kicks both high and low. So there's something fishing there already given MT is about dealing with strong kick whether high or low. This MT guy is more like a kicking or punching bag of the TKD (I suspect he got pay off before hand). The boxing skill is poor to the point that footwork is way off. He got lucky that the TKD guy almost always put himself off balance after the high kick which the commentator keep saying it in English "high kick" (as if....). Which bring the point why couldn't he finish the bout earily on?

I would think that they intentionally mismatch the size and skill level to boast the prowess of TKD. BTW, the TKD kicked the MT guy in the groin at least twice and the referee didn't even bother to want him about that?! WTF? Also everytime there's a clinch and/or close range stuff happen the ref almost always eagerly to jump in and break it off - favortism towards the TKD guy who seem to have little to no experience in that range. So either the match is a fix or the trainer of the MT is really not up to par IMHO. For all intent and purposes, this is just a show of power to prop up TKD. *two thumbs way down*

Mantis108


are you insecure cause its alot more kung fu has done in the last 40 yrs? (yes I know there were some instances in 60s and earlier kf guys beat mt guys).

[SimonM]

are you insecure cause its alot more kung fu has done in the last 40 yrs? (yes I know there were some instances in 60s and earlier kf guys beat mt guys).

Shenme?


I'm an ESL teacher and even I couldn't make heads or tails of this! It was a TKD vs MT fight being shown. Gong Fu doesn't even enter into the equation. Please learn how to write in complete sentences; we all will thank you if you do.

[SevenStar]

That's because the guy you posted had poor body mechanics. His legs were just kind of flailing around. Plus the guy was so much taller than him that he had to kick too high. Looks like he had fun though.

In general, I agree with you. But Kaoklai's hands are pretty weak so he didn't have the juice to knock out Mighty Mo. It would be ridiculous for him to go anywhere near trading blows with him. Mo tends to take out guys with one shot, and he's really good at countering low round kicks with his huge overhand. I think staying away and using his strongest weapon was the best thing for Kaoklai to do.

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kaokickmo3hb.jpg


you're actually making my point for me. kicks do have the possibility of doing that. Hands do also. Nothing is really absolute in fighting.

[WOW]

Here's Tae Kwon Do in K1

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DPU9WcdK3Qk

This dude has won a few K1 matches with his TKD. Three wins, four losses.

Mighty Mo just didn't fight to his own strength, probably done better if he stood his ground and block the MT kicks and lesser extent punches, then counter punch. Instead he tried to take the fight to MT guy and left himself open.

[metsubushi]

you're actually making my point for me. kicks do have the possibility of doing that. Hands do also. Nothing is really absolute in fighting.


I would never argue against that. My comment about a kick giving you the ability to knock out an opponent one hundred pounds heavier than you wasn't really serious or saying that it was the way it has to be. It was just a lead-in to the clip I posted haha.

[fa_jing]

The good thing about high kicks is that they allow you to knock out a majorly powerful boxer that outweighs you by more than one hundred pounds, uglifying him in the process:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BjnkKuI-YAY

that lil guy is the man!!

[fa_jing]

don't think the little guy coulda dropped the big guy with a punch (K-1 clip)

As for TKD vs. MT, don't think the "TKD" guy was using alot of TKD, looked like Muy Thai to me. No side kicks, no TKD stance, no "hook" kicks, leg kicks looked like Muy Thai kicks. Used alot of kicking, yes.

[SevenStar]

if I remember right, there were some hook kicks. in the last round, he tried a jump spinning hook/heel kick that landed nicely, but he was knocked to the ground by the impact of his own kick. I agree that it didn't look alot like tkd tho

[fa_jing]

right, in TKD there is a spinning heel hick with a straight leg, a spinning hook kick where the leg bends at the knee to get around someone's guard, and a lead leg hook kick like the one Bill Wallace used. I wasn't sure if the guy was really TKD since the only real indication was the title of the clip which anyone could have come up with. Of course, I don't speak Thai.

[SevenStar]

I looked up kyuk too ki after reading the description and apparently it's some korean hybrid style combining boxing, muay thai and tkd

[SimonM]

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/1266/

And this is why I am not overly concerned by TKD fighting.

If the person had simply had ANY guard this wouldn't have happened.

[Becca]

But I didn't want to post a second thread about this.

And it is (sort of) on topic...


Sabaki Challenge thread on the correct forum (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?p=665658#post665658)

[metsubushi]

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/1266/

And this is why I am not overly concerned by TKD fighting.

If the person had simply had ANY guard this wouldn't have happened.

That's just one fight. This guy has no problem keeping his hands up and he gets knocked out with the same kick:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=T4KOi-6jnNY


and before it's said, sure, there isn't much punching, but it's a tae kwon do comeptition. No one expects to see kicks in a boxing match, or punches in a jiujitsu tournament, so this form of competition deserves the same courtesy.

[SimonM]

Sorry I can't view youtube from China. It's not that the PRC banned youtube. Youtube banned the PRC. :eek:

From my experience the majority of TKD tournaments I have seen (and I have been to a few) the competitors have had difficulty keeping their hands up.

[metsubushi]

Sorry I can't view youtube from China. It's not that the PRC banned youtube. Youtube banned the PRC. :eek:

From my experience the majority of TKD tournaments I have seen (and I have been to a few) the competitors have had difficulty keeping their hands up.


Well yeah, but there are reasons that the hands are low. One is because it's a kicking competition, and most of the kicks are targeted to the body because it best demontstrates the shocking force needed to score. Another is because they believe their kicks fly faster if their hands are down and relaxed. And sometimes it's just to draw a headkick to counter with an axe kick or a jump spinning back kick. Like I said this kind of thing is very specific to the format. Comparable to how fighters don't have their hands in a boxing guard at Judo tournaments.

Sucks that You Tube doesn't work for you. I uploaded it to my webspace so maybe you can get it that way. Here ya go:
ITF Knockout (http://www.citizenerased.net/vids/Fights/ITFknockout.avi)