a question for earnie re your teaching

[russellsherry]

hi earnie , i was spying ,< reading your weppage, do you teach, the entire , set of the dummy first year? it is a different approach to my first sifu , you have to be with him 15 years to learn bill jee dummy , which is wrong . by the way i always' give dave peterson credit when he came back he started teachin g bill jeee the dummy in the correct lenth of time,n this froced people over here to teach quicker and better, i think this is the correct methord 15 years is to long a wait to learn a a lousy form, and is the main reason i left that sifu by the way , earnie did you see the inside kung fu where grados is in ? that arnis guro is roland dantes is my teacher, and he is most unreal, in arnis 8 dreaggre under remy peras and his close friend peace russellsherry

[Ernie]

Hey Russell ,
funny you should bring up the dummy , I'm sitting at home [getting over the flu] and watching a dummy seminar i did last year !
as for time frame , if i were to follow the way i was taught then yes , i had the first part of the dummy and the 3 hand forms in the first year [ but i already had almost 2 years under other WSL coaches before i came to Si fu Lam ] and i started the pole on my second year .

now being exposed to these ''forms'' and doing them right with the correct understanding is something else ;)

I'm a big body mechanics freak , so once i see that they guy has a solid moving structure then it's time to put him on the dummy ,,,that depends on each person and the time they put in .

i would never even think of stretching the system out for 8-10-15 years that's just plain criminal ha ha
it's also why i don't call myself sifu or have '' students'' i don't need a bunch of little ''Ernie clones running around saying yes sifu ,,,,,''

i just coach people no strings or lineage junk attached ;)

sorry i didn't get to check out the mag . to be honest the whole '' kung fu scene '' bums me out so i don't get into it very much anymore

hope all is well on your side of the globe buddy and thanks for checking out the site and the hello :)

[russellsherry]

thanks earnie i hope you get over your flu, i think learning the forms , is very impotant in the first five years of your training you should have everthying you dont" have to be be bruce lee but you should know the system , if you ever get a chance to hook up, with guro roland sometimes he does semminars

in la keep you eyes on kelly wordens webpage say you talk to me , on the net,
guro is amazing ask dan about him next time you see him peace russellsherry

[k gledhill]

here is an article by my instructor on the very subject ,,,waiting too long.
Philipp bayer is a direct student of the late gm wong shun leung.
[hey ernie , hows it going? I'm hearing good things about you, i hope we can meet one day to train ,k]


Individual Improvement Strategy

Author: Philipp Bayer

"Understanding the genius of Ving Tsun should not take longer than an afternoon. By then, everything should be clear."

"Following that, it becomes about deciding how you can achieve these goals most efficiently. This is also a part of the system."

"Unfortunately, Ving Tsun is too perfect, such that in one’s life-span, no more than approx. 70% of it can be mastered * even with great efforts! The Human Factor, as always."

- Philipp Bayer -

Ving Tsun can best be looked at in it’s entirety for an individual improvement strategy, but also as a correction system for mistakes. More modern than the quality management systems of today, the individual behavior during a fight is corrected. This is why optimally, all elements are developed simultaneously from the start and all fit together. As I said before, it is a fatal mistake to learn certain parts too late. Then the other elements would have to be developed without these important elements. In this manner, the result will be totally different and very difficult to correct, according to the motto: What Johnny doesn’t learn now, John will never learn again.

The only obstacle always is the soul of Ving Tsun: not learning Chi Sau the right way, directly from master to the student... giving adequate strength with an enormous speed which contrastly generates a particular handling from the student... Ving Tsun will remain a mystery... as it is regularly read about, seen and experienced in public.

Ving Tsun cannot be classified in a such manner that you could say: now learn this or that, or once you have learned this, we can start with sparring. The forms serve to correct the errors, which constantly appear in times of stress: to bring the elbows in the correct position, train the stance, and to generate a certain behavior that is necessary to have in a fighting.

Therefore, it is very important to learn everything as a total package. It is pointless to learn a certain component, for example the ' dummy training’ after 15 years, because, by then, the personal development at this stage has probably reached it’s end. A certain behavior has then already been established. Also, when starting from scratch it is very difficult to incorporate a new element. It is always asking for trouble to change movements which are already frequently trained, even if it only concerns relatively small changes. The total package conversely leads to the development of a feel for fighting, timing, feeling for distance, punching power, spontaneity, and perseverance * fighting skills are attained.

Afterwards the system is tested by means of sparring and the weak points become clearly visible. Common errors are, for example: the elbows point outward, Wu Sau placement is still not good, the position of the legs is worthless, the position of the hips is incorrect and because of this, mobility, balance and power are diminished. All this is corrected by the forms and Chi Sao. As soon as most errors disappeared, the pressure is intensified, as a result of which new errors become visible and can again be eliminated.

The errors are very individual - there are simply people, who can handle less stress, and in despair turn themselves away and as a result have difficulty protecting themselves. Others have the inclination after a strong counter attack to allow their opponent some space to recover and display no perseverance. Others make the situation more complicated than necessary or start an attack from the wrong distance and unnecessarily waste valuable energy.

It is therefore clear that Ving Tsun is very individual, in each area, in methods, training or fighting. Everyone is bound by his own potential, which requires its own treatment. Gradations play no role, everyone knows each others errors and still encouraged to use these to their own advantage.

Everyone who makes errors should want their trainings partner to focus on these errors * this way each one assures the quality of the other. Wong Shun Leung had superior methods to help someone progress... perhaps another time more about this.
pb

good read

[Ernie]

Kevin G.[hey ernie , hows it going? I'm hearing good things about you, i hope we can meet one day to train ,k]


Thanks , i got good and bad days ;) but i am planning on a trip back east my training partner of the last 5 years is a New Yorker and he is talking about taking me back for a trip . might also bring a some of Gary's guys that train with us

so I'm sure we will run into each other !

you should post your article as a main thread so people can comment on it

hope all is well
Ernie :D

[k gledhill]

thought it was relevant to this thread...
anytime your in nyc ...
kg

[russellsherry]

thanks for the phill bayer, information kev he and big dave peterson are pretty tight russell

[Ernie]

thanks for the phill bayer, information kev he and big dave peterson are pretty tight russell

yep both men are excellent sources [among a few others ] on WSL information :D

[k gledhill]

thanks ,
yes philipp's a quiet one :D

click the logo on our nyc site to go to Philipp's new one...lots of wsl info & pix...

http://home.earthlink.net/~wslnyc/

I thought Id seen everything 'till i met the man from menden! LOL