Bak sing CLF demo clips

[Steeve]

:) :eek: :cool:

Here some Bak sing Clf demos....in the first oneU could see Sifu Lai Hung doing a broadsword forms.....and the other forms empty hands seem to be ping kuen....nice spear form .....


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1466817336172334030&q=choy+li+fut&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=94056851902076883&q=choy+li+fut&pl=true

Dont know the first forms ? it is sup ji kuen or the kau da ?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-887994300825276901&q=choy+li+fut&pl=true

Interview with GM Lun Tse


Maybe some could give more comment about this demos

Stteeve:D

[Infrazael]

Yeap, I REALLY liked those guys. They seemed to have incredible control and everything. . .

I just wished some of the Sifus would've gone all out power mode. That would've been cool.

[Mano Mano]

Steeve, I don’t know the forms from the other schools but the ones in your second link are preformed by sifu Edmund Ng’s students and are sup ji kuen, moi fa seurng chap & dit jin cheong kuen, which are hung sing (hero winning) not bak sing

On your first link the empty hand form after the spear form is ping keun don’t know about the names of the other forms in that link

[CLFNole]

It is a Buk Sing Banquet that was held in Kwong Chow. The clips a mixture of CLF styles. One of the spear forms is a northern one and Lai Hung's sword also looks like a mixture because it has some of his buk siu lum moves in it.

[T. Cunningham]

The last form of the second link is Sup Ji Jit Fu Kuen. It's very similar to our version.

The performances were very good.

[Hephaestus]

If it isn't too much trouble, would someone who can identify such things point out which parts of the clips are Bak Sing and which are Hung Sing? Being an outsider to CLF, I'm rather unable to differentiate between the two. :o

EDIT: Nevermind, I see an analysis has been done in another thread. :)

[Steeve]

The first link are all Bak sing forms the Sup ji kuen ....kau da in this clips probably....the weapon forms are more influenced by pek Sil lum ....

the opening seem the same for the two forms its the salute its the salute of Pak sing CLF....Im just not sure which one is what....

Im sure someone could give us an input...

Steeve

[CLFNole]

The first form - thw kwan do set is performed by Chiu Siu Kay, who is a hung sing sifu.

The 2nd form - spear set is probably hung sing because buk sing doesn't have a spear set.

The two hand sets are both buk sing.

The 2nd spear form is northern and not CLF at all.

Peace.

[Steeve]

Thank CLFNole

Ur right Buk sing have only a staff form.....but probably some adds a lot of other weapons forms in the CV of buk sing since GM Tam Sam the spear form look very northern style

The questions now ...IS whats the two empty hands forms.......buk sing have three empty hands....traditionnaly(sup ji ,kau da and ping kuen)

No buk sing guys ready to help us

Steeve

[CLFNole]

Buk Sing has the sheung garp dan kwun (single & double end staff); however this is also seen in the Chan Family and Hung Sing branches (remember buk sing and hung sing are basically the same thing).

The 1st spear is definately southern as it is played like a single end staff, whereas the 2nd form is definately northern with the left hand being the lead hand instead of the right.

More than likely the hand forms shown are bits and pieces of sets since most sifus don't show actual forms when performing. Generally they will put something together with parts and sections they like.

[Steeve]

I agree with U CLFNole

Ur a great martial artist very wise or knowleadge sorry for my english....from where Do U came...

The buk sing fom are some ping kun ,kau da and sup ji in .....


Steeve

[CLFNole]

Steeve:

I am from the Lee Koon Hung lineage, which has its roots in both the Chan Family and Hung Sing sides.

Peace.

[Steeve]

Peace CLFNole

Thel late Sifu Lee Koon Hung is a great CLF men probably the best of the century.....keep good work to his name...

Steeve

[hskwarrior]

Steeve,

how ya doin? the openings of the two sets you are referring to is not strictly buk sing CLF. ALthough there are a few different techniques the patter of the "L" is strickly hung sing and the techniques are also within Lau Bun's openings as well.

I could do a set side by side and although its different we will follow along each other very closely.

sorry bro, not just a buk sing opening.

hsk

[Steeve]

hsk

So for U its not buk sing?


even if each system have is own salute....


Im interest to know if its not the buk sing salute ....this guy do the GM lau bun
forms....


Dont know ?

For U whats forms this guydone?


Steeve

[hskwarrior]

Steeve,

I'm not disputing that the buk sing say that that is their opening. What i meant was that I am not buk sing and i have almost the exact same opening as your branch does. with a few minor differences.

but if I am from the Hung Sing branch and we do the same thing with a few different hands than yours, but the same, how did we get the same beginning up to the bow if i'm not buk sing? the moves are 90% the same. we follow the very same pattern.

IF we have the same openings, then what makes yours "Buk Sing"? Is it the crane head? or is does it include everyything up to the 3 bows?

it may be the 3 bows. because typically there are 3 bows only . front back and front again. CHan and hung sing do this. but buk sing does a bow, then Kwa Sau Kum Jeung to the reverse, then bow to the front again. it is only in the buk sing branch that i've seen that opening.


so if you don't know me you can ask me questions. if you don't know lau bun or what he taught i will talk with you on that as well. I would love to share his background with you if you don't already know.

[Steeve]

Choy lay fut is choy lay fut whatever the branch...

I dont know too much about GM Lau bun CLF ...it is possible to see a form(clips)in the internet?

Steeve

[hskwarrior]

no.

you

[hskwarrior]

no.

you should try and do some research on him then.

here, i have a website for you to read to learn more about lau bun.

http://www.professorlaubun.zoomshare.com

[Steeve]

Hsk

I saw this site ....before
I ask U for a video for show ....Could U put one ....Sup ji kuen every CLF branch have this form.... The Lau bun branch sup ji kuen form.....U probably know this form...

Steeve

[Steeve]

Ok the first response is no about the video

Sorry I just understtood....

Bad .....Why U dont do one to show...?/

Steeve

[hskwarrior]

i don't put video's out for people to judge because I have "NOTHING" to prove.

I'm not being a jerk when i say this, but i don't care if people think they are better or whatever.

if you want to post a video, please go right ahead.

see, i do have video of my self, and of other elders in my lineage including a young doc fai wong in sf's chinatown doing the butterfly knives, the elephant, and i think the double daggers. but i won't post them because there is nothing to prove.

i'm sorry i've offended you by asking what part of your hoi jong makes it strictly buk sing, that's all. because in our CLF we have basically the same opening.

hsk

[Infrazael]

i don't put video's out for people to judge because I have "NOTHING" to prove.

I'm not being a jerk when i say this, but i don't care if people think they are better or whatever.

if you want to post a video, please go right ahead.

see, i do have video of my self, and of other elders in my lineage including a young doc fai wong in sf's chinatown doing the butterfly knives, the elephant, and i think the double daggers. but i won't post them because there is nothing to prove.

i'm sorry i've offended you by asking what part of your hoi jong makes it strictly buk sing, that's all. because in our CLF we have basically the same opening.

hsk

But Frank, we're not asking you to prove anything. Some of us are truly just curious to how you play your sets, that's all.

[hskwarrior]

infrazael,

i know. I will someday put somethinh up soon.

the reason why i haven't done it yet, is plainly.......I have nothing to prove.

but i will, i just don't know how to get it linked up from like a dvd. ill figure it out.


hsk

[hskwarrior]

anyways,

for those who want to see what the fut san hsk material looks like i will post a link of someone once connected to our school, but no longer with us.

the set he is doing is called Siu Lin Wan Kuen
http://www.geocities.com/hungsingstatesboro/movie1.htm

the set was performed at the Gee Tuk Sam Tuk Family Association on Waverly street.

the performer had only been with us a short time but i think he did ok.

hsk

[Steeve]

Hsk

I dont ask U for the video ....for proving U ...just for sharing with us
We have all nothing to prove...

I just ask U to see the Lau Bun forms...if U have some clip forms

Im not a buk sing players....I just have a small knowleadge of the style...

I train Ng gakuen five family fist (Gm Ark Yueh Wong )

Steeve

[t.j]

sifu whats the elephant is it a form??

[Fu-Pow]

anyways,

for those who want to see what the fut san hsk material looks like i will post a link of someone once connected to our school, but no longer with us.

the set he is doing is called Siu Lin Wan Kuen
http://www.geocities.com/hungsingstatesboro/movie1.htm

the set was performed at the Gee Tuk Sam Tuk Family Association on Waverly street.

the performer had only been with us a short time but i think he did ok.

hsk


There's nothing on that site.

[hskwarrior]

check it from time to time because i think its the bandwith not being big enough.

[hskwarrior]

fu pow,

are you against me adding your video clips to my links page?

I have a small section on it where i'm compiling CLF forms that are already on the net. I think it would be a great addition if you don't mind.


hsk

[sean_stonehart]

Frank I've got a couple of videos of you from our last trips to San Fran all edited & ready to go. We were going to put them on Sifu's site, but you know how things went.

[hskwarrior]

can you email me a copy of it first for me to okay it?

i don't really mind, because regardless, i don't think i look for bad for a guy who was never going to walk again.

but some of the stuff may be chop suey, because i do that when i see cameras.

at your first SF gig with us, i think i dropped my stick. i was mad as hell because that was the first time i've ever dropped a weapon EVER! It was a rat tail stick my sifu just stuck in my hands and i wanted to use the other one. it was lop sided and it hit my leg and i dropped it. man was i ****ed.

hsk

[Sho]

Excellent videos, thank you for posting them. In my experience it has been so rare to see Buk Sing footage on the Internet that it was really nice to see the hand forms on the video - how wonderful it would be to see more. Actually, the only Buk Sing I've seen before was a few seconds of Gei Bun Kuen (which I ended up watching many times on loop). Please do post any other clips that are available. :D I practise the Chan Family stuff and always find it awesome to see footage on other schools. Unfortunately (from the point of view of my curiosity), I haven't had the opportunity to see much of Buk Sing in motion.