Ba Ji videos

[SPJ]

Hi;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyomQGwg_l4&search=baji

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiRbVEXWJ-s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irrNnzKodBY&search=baji

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SztmRaV19m0&search=baji

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7UtE8Um1nc&search=baji

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKxhtBbiQxE&search=baji

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxC15c_TzWA&search=baji

have fun.

:D

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

what the hell was that baby video about ... ill have to watch it with sound tomorrow.

[SanHeChuan]

I really liked this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiRbVEXWJ-s

good stuff

[ChinoXL]

w00t wu-tang baby!!

[jack]

It looks rather more like chen style taiji than baji to me.

[SPJ]

Yes.

me luv Ba Ji, too.

the first clip is master Wu Lian Zhi performing Ba Ji Xiao Jia.

and then there is also a clip of Master Liu performing Ba Ji interlink forms and some students practicing Xiao Ba Ji and some two men practices.

Usually we start with Chan/silk reeling or entanglement to open the door/arms, move in close and deliver attacks.

May be the Chan and Kao aspects would make people think it is like Chen Tai Ji.

Yes, there are similarities but also differences between the two.

:)

[jack]

These are better baji clips. I believe they were taken in the 80s.

Wu Lian Zhi's baji has changed over the years. It has become more like chen style taiji.


孟村八極拳:
http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ1.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ2.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ3.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ4.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ5.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ6.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ7.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ8.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ9.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ10.wmv


羅疃八極拳:
http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt1.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt2.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt3.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt4.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt5.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt6.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt7.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt8.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt9.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt10.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt11.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt13.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt14.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt15.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt16.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt17.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt18.wmv

[SPJ]

thanks for the clips.

:)

[Three Harmonies]

SPJ
When is your Baji book due out?
Thanks
Jake :)

[SPJ]

Hi;

Thanks for asking. The publisher is still ironing out the Chinese fonts. Some words are corrupt.

The pictures are in a better order, now.

It is a very concise book and catches the flavors of the style with some classical moves with explanations.

May be in a month or so.

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:)

[Three Harmonies]

Make sure you let us know, and post something on EF too. YOu will sell out ASAP!

Cheers
Jake :)

[SPJ]

The production department finalized the book.

It is on the way to the printer department.

It will take a few weeks before I get the hardcopy for galley proof.

It was a headache to solve the Chinese characters.

:)

[SPJ]

Su Yu Chang's performing Ba Ji Lian Huan.

http://www.pachitanglang.org/videoPachi02.htm

:cool:

[RAF]

SPJ:

Here is some old footage from Taiwan in the late 1970s that you might remember. The baji is primarily at the end of the clip.

http://www.wutangcenter.com/wt/mpg/oldTV.mp4

[SPJ]

Bob;

Thanks for the link.

Somehow, my window player will not play it.

:o

[WanderingMonk]

Bob;

Thanks for the link.

Somehow, my window player will not play it.

:o
because it was made with a mac. download quicktime to watch it.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html

[SPJ]

WM;

Thanks a lot. I am now able to see the TV footage.

It started with Tang Lang (plum flower, six harmony and then 7 stars) and then Ba Ji Lian Huan, Xiao Ba Ji etc.

I think the female singer in the background was Yang Yeng and the guy singer's wife was Xia Tai Fong. the male singer was Zhou Seng.

The song was about the colonel Xie. He led 800 hundreds soldiers defending at the warehouse near Su Zhou river in Shanghai. They were to deter the Japanese advancing army while the main Nationalist force retreating.

It was very patriotic. But kind of wierd to practice Ba Ji at the same time.

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At the time, Taiwan was derecognised by US. There was a slogan said the calmness in the midst of storm. Feng Yu Zhong De Ning Jin on the TV, too.

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Thank you very much. RAF.

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:)

[SPJ]

For people who are interested in the Ba Ji intro and review book.

It is available for pre=order at Barnes and Noble.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&isbn=1425932134&itm=2

:D

[SPJ]

Ba Ji is now very popular in Japan.

Here are some paragraphs from a Japanese book on explanations of 6 big opening or Liu Da Kai.

Ding: push upward and forward (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/SPJ/13_14873_42defd2c5c4ca06.jpg)

Bao: embrace (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/SPJ/13_14873_9530f7dccce3517.jpg)

Ti: rise

Dang: single strike (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/SPJ/13_14873_5db2ffa12bff5ee.jpg)

Kua: use of the hip

Chan: entanglement (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/SPJ/13_14873_2fd9affa50849e3.jpg)

the abstracts are reposted from the cn-wu forum.

post (http://www.cn-wu.com/bbs/read.php?tid=145470&fpage=2)

the paragraphs are from this book (http://books.yahoo.co.jp/book_detail/19798372)

The book title is the fighting theory of Ba Ji fist.

Here is another link. picture 5 is Kua. picture 3 is Ti. click on the pictures for a better view.

6 big opening discussion (http://www.tianxiawuji.net/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=2&topic=1812&show=0)


:D

[SPJ]

here are some more videos from Wu Tan

http://www.baji-hk.org/library/dabaji.WMV

http://www.baji-hk.org/library/bajifight.WMV

http://www.baji-hk.org/library/sword.WMV

:)

[SPJ]

http://www.easylifezen.com/baji/English/index.htm

there are some video lectures on the bottom right side of the web page.

:)

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbDDONTqQ0I&mode=related&search=bajiquan

interesting with Daoist clothes on.

:D

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKUC4l3pfCQ&mode=related&search=bajiquan

:)

[B-Rad]

Cool, I liked that last one :)

[SPJ]

I like the last vid, too.

However, there are some areas we do differently.

If it is an extended palm or fist (Cheng Zhang or Quan), there are moments the arms are straight but only for a short while. In the final or end posture, the elbow is down and shoulder is dropped. Cheng Jian Zui Zhou. There are explosion Jin outward but also downward Jin from the whole body.

If there is the turning stamp or Nian Zhen, the feet are paralleled and so are the knees. The horse stance is not too low. Because you raise your heels, turn and land your heels.

In Cheng Zhang or Quan, also the direction of your arm is in parallel with your feet, the elbow and the knee is aligned sort of.

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:D

[SPJ]

http://www.wushuvcd.com/baji/xiaojia.htm

review only. copyright alert.

:)

[RAF]

Thanks, SPJ.

Bob

[GeneChing]

Besides, someone has to pay the bills to keep this forum running. There's a little teaser on the product site, but it's not very indicative of the video itself. Tony Chen's baij video (http://www.martialartsmart.net/vidbajquanei.html)

[B-Rad]

Hey Gene, does he teach a small frame baji form first like most of the other lineages? I noticed the video is only basics, big frame baji, and a two person set. What's his baji curriculum like?

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRIDAT4RZOU&search=bajiquan

a memorial performance.

:cool:

[SPJ]

http://baji-quan.jp/touro.html

there are 3 video clips on this Japanese Ba Ji research association web site.

please click.

1. Xiao Jia.

2. Dan Da.

3. Si Lang Kuan.

they are from Wu Lian Zhi's Kai Men Ba Ji.

:)

[Asia]

Ba Ji is now very popular in Japan.

Here are some paragraphs from a Japanese book on explanations of 6 big opening or Liu Da Kai.

Ding: push upward and forward (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/SPJ/13_14873_42defd2c5c4ca06.jpg)

Bao: embrace (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/SPJ/13_14873_9530f7dccce3517.jpg)

Ti: rise

Dang: single strike (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/SPJ/13_14873_5db2ffa12bff5ee.jpg)

Kua: use of the hip

Chan: entanglement (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/SPJ/13_14873_2fd9affa50849e3.jpg)

the abstracts are reposted from the cn-wu forum.

post (http://www.cn-wu.com/bbs/read.php?tid=145470&fpage=2)

the paragraphs are from this book (http://books.yahoo.co.jp/book_detail/19798372)

The book title is the fighting theory of Ba Ji fist.

Here is another link. picture 5 is Kua. picture 3 is Ti. click on the pictures for a better view.

6 big opening discussion (http://www.tianxiawuji.net/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=2&topic=1812&show=0)


:D

Hakkyokuken (Bajiquan) was always popular in Japan. I know it was there at least as far back as the 80's. Several manga, anime, and video game characters were known for using it in the 80s and 90s. It was very popular at college wushu clubs. Thats how I got intrested in it when I was there. When I first returned to the states no one knew about it but it was very popular there.

I have this book its decent but there are several other Japanese books that are better.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVT5DR1xMYI&search=%E5%85%AB%E6%A5%B5%E6%8B%B3

cool clip of Ba Ji Dan Da (one man part of the 2 man drill) by Wu Lian Zhi.

:)

[SPJ]

Hakkyokuken (Bajiquan) was always popular in Japan. I know it was there at least as far back as the 80's. Several manga, anime, and video game characters were known for using it in the 80s and 90s. It was very popular at college wushu clubs. Thats how I got intrested in it when I was there. When I first returned to the states no one knew about it but it was very popular there.

I have this book its decent but there are several other Japanese books that are better.

thanks for the update.

:)

[Three Harmonies]

I believe (please correct me if I am wrong) that Su Yu Chang is primarily the one responsible for the popularity of Baji in Japan. Not sure how it all began, but it is one of his students that did the comics mentioned as well. All I know if that he has been going over pretty regularily for many, many years and he has a large following there. I have seen some private video of his teaching very large groups in Japan.
SPJ
Thanks for the highlight of the Japanese book. Any idea where we can get it?
Hey, where is your book on Baji in the publsihing process? Looking forward to it :D

Thanks
Jake :cool:

[SPJ]

Hi;

For people who are interested; the new ba ji review/intro book is now available from the publisher's website.

Here is a press release link;

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061011/clw518.html?.v=52

Soon it will be searchable at amazon.com and google book search.

:D

[Three Harmonies]

Looks great bro! I will order mine ASAP.
May I ask where you learned your Baji?
Thanks
Jake :)

[SPJ]

I had some lessons on Xiao Ba Ji that were Wu Tan related.

I also had some lessons from instructors/teachers in the services (military/police etc).

I was a slow learner. or it took me a long time to do things "right".

:D

[SPJ]

A link to discussion of lineage.

http://www.wohsai.com/Article_Show.asp?ArticleID=4

1st gen: Wu Zhong, studied at Shaolin and with 2 daoist priests?. He incorporated Da Qiang based on Ming's Qi Ji Guang 24 long spear postures. nicked name god of a long spear.

2nd gen: Wu Yong, Wu Long. taught students in Meng village area. It is called Meng Cun old style/frames (soft style).

3rd gen: Li Da Zhong, Zhang Ke Ming etc. introduced the theories of downward sinking Jing, cross Jing and Chan Si Jing. Their styles are hard frames. It is also called Luo Tong. the name of the area they taught students.-- Li Da Zhong exchanged ideas with Pi Gua practitioner: Li Yun Biao. That started merging of Ba Ji and Pi Gua.

4th gen: Huang Si Hai.

5th gen: Li Shu Wen and Ma Feng Tu completed merging of Ba Ji and Pi Gua.

6th gen: Huo Dian Ge, ----, Liu Yun Qiao etc

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We would be the 7th or 8th gen practitioners etc.

Edit: Huo Dian Ge was the first student of Li Shu Wen. Huo was the head of body guards for the last emperor Pu Yi. Liu Yun Qiao was the last/final student.

Some legends said Ba Ji was from Song Shan Shaolin temple.

Some said it was from the Moslem Chinese or Hui or even Daoist.

We have to push back the timeline then.

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http://www.bjq.cn/phpwind/read.php?fid=21&tid=29

A very good post about the first 3 gen of practitioners.

Edit: info or manuscript was from Li Da Zhong students recording the "lineage".

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http://www.huizucn.com/show/content.asp?ArticleID=834

according to this post. Li Shu Wen had over 20 indoor students. Li incorporated Jing Gang Ba Shi, Yi Jing Jing and Ba Ji together.

:)

[cjurakpt]

not to derail this thread...but maybe you guys, being much more aware of these things than myself, might offer some input:

there has been some suggestion that the very popular Okinawan karate form Bassai has its roots in Ba Ji; based on observation, and a fair degree of extrapolation (e.g. - knowing how TCMA techs get changed when done in a non-TCMA context), it would seem at least plausable that there is a possible link, specifically to the first form, xiao jia (the opening), and some of the lines of dan da (especially the finishes, the way it changes directions)

anyway, any thoughts, assistance would be appreciated...

[Ben Gash]

OK, Having done Baji, and having just Youtubed several bassai versions, I can't see it personally.

[Wu-Tan-Nan]

These are better baji clips. I believe they were taken in the 80s.

Wu Lian Zhi's baji has changed over the years. It has become more like chen style taiji.


孟村八極拳:
http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ1.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ2.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ3.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ4.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ5.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ6.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ7.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ8.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ9.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc1/BJ10.wmv


羅疃八極拳:
http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt1.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt2.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt3.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt4.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt5.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt6.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt7.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt8.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt9.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt10.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt11.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt13.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt14.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt15.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt16.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt17.wmv

http://johnswang.com/sc10/rt18.wmv


Those clips were very cool!!

[Three Harmonies]

Back in Karate days I practiced Basai, and I have to say I cannot see any link to the Baji I was taught. I mean if you break anything down it is all going to have some similarities because principles are principles. But overall I would guess no link between any of them.
Thanks for the video clips!
SPJ, so you learned the Liu Yun Qiao line as well eh? Interesting. Were you a disciple of Liu's? I think it is great people are putting more info on Baji out there.
BTW does anyone know how to get ahold of the Japanese books mentioned above?
Thanks
Jake :)

[SPJ]

SPJ, so you learned the Liu Yun Qiao line as well eh? Interesting. Were you a disciple of Liu's? Jake :)

Students yes directly and indirectly.

I had a strong practice with Tong Bei before I started Ba Ji. I had very difficult time with the postures and stepping.

Over time, I got "better". Still my postures and stepping are a lot softer.

Actually, for the most part, Ba Ji is still a lot of softness in most of the movements.

On the other hand, Kao methods have to be hard and very hard.

:D

[SPJ]

there has been some suggestion that the very popular Okinawan karate form Bassai has its roots in Ba Ji; based on observation, and a fair degree of extrapolation (e.g. - knowing how TCMA techs get changed when done in a non-TCMA context), it would seem at least plausable that there is a possible link, specifically to the first form, xiao jia (the opening), and some of the lines of dan da (especially the finishes, the way it changes directions)

anyway, any thoughts, assistance would be appreciated...

I heard about it before.

However, I dun know karate enough to draw a parallel.

:)

[SPJ]

http://club.ntu.edu.tw/~ntubachi/Bajiquan/en_about.htm

http://club.ntu.edu.tw/~ntubachi/Bajiquan/en_kungfu.htm

must provide these links.

edit: there is a typo of 1999, may be 1989.

:)

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkPrXOAHGBU&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F01VtIr3WEE&mode=related&search=

some extra hand moves between postures.

:)

[SPJ]

http://www.6rooms.com/watch/215342.html

a clip of Ba Ji Xiao Jia from Beijing.

:)

[RAF]

Posted in another section here is Liu Yun Qiao demonstrating some baji applications at the age of 72:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE0zSNng2Zs

[SPJ]

Demo in the park;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV6msrF5w-I&NR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MBvXzveIsA&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USsnwl-9cB4&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPWzDaf-7I8&mode=related&search=


shows on the street.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Avw0W7hg0&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmxWEDqC4YY&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00lQvn_IgCs&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6YbXSjbwrg&mode=related&search=


hand methods of Da and Xiao Ba Ji:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLrRRXSpCdc&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57CQP8GgY-Y&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFGbXPrnFoI&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89wymSf-ej0&mode=related&search=


class time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fylcFmuyG-Q&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkSgT3H424&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6lQnMpS9eE&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO1wft78azA&mode=related&search=

from Da Nei Ba Ji.

they practice near CKS memorial musical hall twice a week.


a TV show about the chief instructor; Jin Li Yen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpOAUsA2B8

[SPJ]

more clip on demo in the park from Da Nei Ba Ji school;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quJ5PCTrCMs

fierce tiger climbing the mountain (Meng Fu Yin Pa Shan)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5WdklekCos

kick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrejszpGCeU

a very young boy practicing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvCGAefiZrs

Xiao Ba Ji

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3OPQh3Xjeo

short staff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMq0zogaOGQ

a high school boy practicing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1OUoaO-QvE

short staff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtHU46nHSuA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJtTzcQwhPw

[RAF]

Thanks for the clips.

However, there seems to be some variations on the xiao baji jia form (I know there are 12 versions of xiao baji).

If you look at the end of the following clip, you will see Daemon Huang performing xiao baji in the 1970s. I think this variation is the one that Liu taught as "the Original" xiao baji jia of Li Shu Wen. You also see at the end of the clip, da baji, liu da kai, and baji lian huan.

http://www.wutangcenter.com/wt/mpg/oldTV.mp4

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvCGAefiZrs

there are some repeats of moves/postures in the clip of Xiao Ba Ji.

yes there are differences between or among versions of Xiao Ba.

they are consisted of basic postures and movements of Ba Ji.

it is the groundwork or foundation practice.

each instructor/teacher may string the postures or repeat some postures differently.

Youtube is in support of Jin's vid's and give honors since Instructor Jin served as bodyguard for 4 presidents of Taiwan and also trained new recruits.

Greatest respect for him.

:)

[RAF]

Ditto, and the greatest respect and admiration to those who trained Jin:)

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRDdUFOC9RA&mode=related&search=

practice of single moves fast and in slow motions.

they include 6 big opening, Din Bao Ti Dan Kua Chan, some elbow and hand methods such as morning sun hand (Zhao Yang Shou) etc.

[B-Rad]

Great video :) Do you know the details of the performer?

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnzOCpac7tI&mode=related&search=

here is another clip.

:)

[SPJ]

一打顶肘奔胸膛，二打抱肘顺步赶，三打掸阳拧捆抱，四打提肘硬中闯，五打垮打腰胯合，六打双缠旋绕摔，七打 朝阳横托肘，八打折江头上翻。

These are song or Ge Jue from Chang Chun Ba Ji. They are related to the clips above.

There are 8 sentences.

1. elbow push (Ding Zhou) is to rush into the opponent's chest.

2. enclose elbow (Bao Zhou) is to use followed step (Shun Bu, the lead hand and the lead leg are on the same side, left to left and right to right) in a hurry.

3. Dan or shan, sorry too hard to translate, might as well look at the clips.

4. elevating the elbow (Ti Zhou) to enter the centerline by force.

5. hitting with the hip (Kua Da) requires the hip and the waist in unison/harmony.

6. entanglement with both arms (Shuang Chan) is to turn and throw.

7. morning sun hand (Zhao Yang) is to lift/support the elbow horizontally.

8. bending arm (Zhe Jiang) is to flip above the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRDdUFOC9RA&mode=related&search=


:)

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZVRF1eIzXM

Ba Ji Xiao Jia explained.

:)