FaJing - what's the deal?

[MaFuYee]

i'm not really sure i know what fajing is...
i thought it was just a term for an explosive release of force, when you hit someone. (?)

should that cause the person to go flying back???

is it a requisite that there be very little movement in delivering the strike?

if it is such an 'explosive' strike, how can you safely demonstrate it on someone?

is there a "chi factor"?

etc. etc.

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[Water Dragon]

The one time I caused someone to "fly away" was an accident. I was more surprised than anyone and have not been able to do it again. I suspect it has to do with superior mechanics as well as superior timing. Oh, and a helluva lot of luck!!

Although there are many styles, they all depend on the strong beating the weak and the slow falling to the quick. These are not related to the power that must be learned -- Taiji Classics

[MaFuYee]

so, fajing has to do with projecting someone away???

when said person 'flew', was he hurt? (physically)

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[GreyMystik]

the way i understand it, fa jing is a sort of catch-all for 'explosive energy release'... i could be wrong here, but that's the sort of general concept i have of it...
hope that helps at least a little bit!

[MaFuYee]

GM,
that was my understanding as well... but, others seem to have some other prerequisites for categorising something as 'fajing'.

8step, and now WD, both mentioned people 'flying away'... i've done 'projections' and had people 'fly away'... i don't know if i'd classify that as 'fajing'. - and it certainly didn't require any 'chi buildup'.... and i didn't feel any chi, surge up my spine... etc. - they fly because i catch them when they are way off balance, and i hit the right angle.

and when i do that; it's only because i have no desire to injure them. (that, and, if i didn't, i'd be sure to get the same in return.)

if i used 'fajing' (as i understand it.) they wouldn't go nearly as far... but they'd be in a world of hurt. whereas when i just project, they don't so much as get winded. (usually they've got a big smile on their faces.)

if i were to hit someone with 'press', using 'fajing'... they'd be ****ing blood.

i once went just a wee bit too hard with 'press' one time, and got the ****e scared out of me. - i thought i really hurt my friend. (it took him a while to recover, and boy! was he ****ed!)

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[gazza99]

Fa-jing means literally "explosive energy", many arts have their own idea of what it should be. It is hard to describe, but in order to do it right you must "move from the center"-taiji classics, and you must have sung "to relax". So basically all the movement starts from your waist(dantien) and your arms, elbows, ect. are just loose appendages working off of the small frame centrifical force. If anyone has seen the wing-chun snap punch-that is about 50% of a true fa-jing movement. The closest analogy to it, is a big sneeze, it is quick, violent and cannot be controlled, so done correctly, if you explode into someone with it, you will hurt them, it is not for sparring. After the basic mechanics are learnt, then you make the waist movement so small, that it becomes more internal, more like a tornado thundering through your body, and eminating out your hands, of course all the interal energy basics apply..root,ect. Even on the more esoteric side you can put adverse qi into the person to create more horrid affects. Fa-jing is the hardest thing to teach people, especially more external stylists, as they are so tense. If anyone is in the Oklahoma city area and would like a demo, drop me an email with your info, it is much better shown than typed!
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Gary

[MaFuYee]

haha! was that a threat?!?!
1. you just said, that it can't be controlled, so, it will hurt the person...
2. you ask if anyone wants a demo...
3. see initial question.

but, basically, you are confirming what i figured.
1. it will hurt the person.
2. they will not just 'sail away' uninjured.

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[BUDDAH]

from what I gather fa-jing is the folowing.
good structure (i.e. there is no give in your postrure) combined with some method of accelerating the punch (kick). It can be Hard(muscle grups contracting in close succesion )
or soft (utilizing the spring like action of the streching and twisting soft tissues). Now if executed properly in combat it will not make the opponet fly away but rather absorb all the kinetic energy of the fist in his body cousing massive internal demage. The "fly away" is used by internal masters to demostarte it how ever it involves less explosivens and more stedy push power.

That is how I see it anyway.

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[Water Dragon]

No, he wasn't hurt. He came at me in Pudh Hands, I yielded and pushed him with both hands on his stomach. He went about 5 feet back with both feet off the ground. I think it had a lot to do with me pushing at just the right time and having my hands in just the right place. More physics than anything. I cleared my last three balls in a game of pool once by hitting the queue in just the right spot. I never got a repeat. Maybe it's the same thing.

If that's Fa Jing, I don't know. I have a teacher who can put his hand on you and then "punch" and it feels like you got whacked with a right cross. Is that Fa Jing? Again I don't know.

I have a sneaking suspicion that whatever Fa Jing actually is, it's based on good body mechanics. Same as a right cross. How those mechanics change and what the limit is, again I don't know.

I think there are levels to this stuff also. If you have a good solid punch, based on good alignment and body mechanics I personally feel that is Fa Jing. At least it's the beginning of it. Whatever it "can" be probably is just a refinement of the basics to higher and higher degrees.

I can punch someone and pop them back about 1/2 inch to an inch. Is that Fa Jing. I thinks so. Just a very basic, unrefined, surface level of the skill. I may never get to master level, but if I do, I think that's the secret: Continued hard work on the basic stuff.

Although there are many styles, they all depend on the strong beating the weak and the slow falling to the quick. These are not related to the power that must be learned -- Taiji Classics

[Water Dragon]

In regards to the person NOT moving, that is another concept called "nailing" as in nailing them to the floor. I can't even come close to doing it but it has to do with hitting someone in just the right spot so that they become "stuck" to the floor and are forced to take all the power of the shot. Kinda like the exact opposite of making someon "fly away". You probably need one to get to the other, I believe they are related. I don't think either is Fa Jing but you need Fa Jing to do both. Again, your level of understanding probably has a lot to do with how spectacular it is.

Although there are many styles, they all depend on the strong beating the weak and the slow falling to the quick. These are not related to the power that must be learned -- Taiji Classics