Five Ancestors Fist Webpage

[idoesnotexist]

Here is some great info on Five Ancestors Fist. Feel free to check it out. You can even study in Fujian province with the true lineage holders of the system if you'd like.

www.freewebs.com/fiveancestors

:)

[Ben Gash]

Nice site, and an interesting prospect. Of course I'e trained with direct lineage holders in the UK, and Joedoe has in Australia, but this does not detract from the coolness of the offer.
As an aside I must say it's really good to see the increasing availability of training in Southern styles in China now. Only a few years ago you had to do Wushu, Shaolin or Taiji, and now you can do Wuzhuquan, Baihequan, Hung Gar and even dog boxing!

[hskwarrior]

Ng Ga Kuen
History


BIRTH OF THE SOUTHERN FIVE FAMILIES FIST GUNG FU SYSTEM
(Nam Ng Ga Kuen Gong Fu Moon Pai)


Originally, there were five main Southern Gung Fu styles that were designated by the word Gar (which means family) following the
founder's name, and in this case, stands for Gung Fu families. Most people familiar with the Five Family Fist System as it exists today,
know that it covers the five family arts of Choy, Li, Fut, Mok, and Hung and the classic Southern Sil Lum Five Animals of Tiger, Dragon,
Crane, Leopard, and Snake. This is true, but many people do not understand how in-depth and involved the system actually is. Nor do they
recognize the rich history associated with its creation.

During the Yuan Dynasty (1280-1368), a great change occurred in Shaolin Gung Fu. A great General, well trained in combat arts, Gwok
Yuen (Abbott Zhao Yuan), sought refuge at the Shaolin Temple in Honan. In a short time, Gwok Yuen had mastered the arts of Shaolin and
became Abbott of the Honan Temple. However, he felt that improvements could be made and innovated the changes that would impact the
Shaolin system and its branch styles for generations. He took the existing Sup Baht Lo Han Kuen (Eighteen Buddhist Disciples Fist), which
according to legend had been devised by Da Mo (the founder of Shaolin kung fu), and expanded it to 72 movements to create a more
comprehensive fighting form. Not completely satisfied, Gwok Yuen left the confines of the Shaolin temple to search for other
knowledgeable martial artists to help him restore the Shaolin system to its former glory. In his quest, he found two other accomplished
masters, Bai Yu Feng and Li Sau.

Gwok Yuen, Bai Yu Feng and Li Sau went into seclusion to work on improving and rebirthing the Shaolin system. Their combined efforts
produced a most commendable outcome; the creation of the Ng Ying (Five Animals). These teachings were transmitted through several
generations of Shaolin monks. In 1644, a retired Ming General, Tzu Gwo Tzo (Tzu Yuan/Chu Te Chou), whose Buddhist name was Tung
Chan Sim Si, inherited and mastered the teachings. Abbott Tung Chan had 36 disciples, which included the well known Five Elders of
Shaolin (Fong Dao De, Wu Mei Sze Tai, Miow Shen, Tze Shein/Gi Sin Sim Si, and Pak Mei Dao Ren). The most influential individual in
dispersing the Five Animal System at the Southern Sil Lum Temple in Fukien Province during the 15th century was Tze Shein (Gi Sin Sim
Si). The concepts of the Ng Hong (Five Elements) were later developed and incorporated with the concepts of the Ng Ying (Five Animals).
The combination of the two fighting concepts (Ng Ying and Ng Hong) became known as Sup Ying Kuen (Ten Shadows Fist) which is the
basis for the five family styles of Southern Sil Lum Gung Fu: Hung, Lau, Choy, Lay and Mok. As the generations passed, these concepts
became fighting forms; and, while portions of Ng Ying and Ng Hong can be seen in many of today’s Southern Gung Fu styles such as Choy
Lay Fut, Ving Tsun and Jow Gar, only one style contains all ten fighting techniques, the Hung Gar Kuen of Hung Hei Goon.

The Five Family-Five Animal System originated in the Southern Sil Lum Temple and was created by five Sil Lum descendants. Each of
whom contributed their elite techniques to form a new system which had better transition & strength, and compensated for the weaknesses
in their own styles. The new system concentrated on speed, accuracy, and power. The 5 - Animals (Tiger, Crane, Leopard, Snake &
Dragon) fighting actions were added to strengthen and expand the combative concept. The Dragon techniques however, were used to
enlighten spiritual thinking.

The most popular story claims that when escaping revolutionaries transplanted these arts to Southern China, they adopted many of the
distinguishing characteristics of the existing native styles (i.e. rapid close quarter hand strikes and low powerful kicking techniques aimed
below the belt). The focus of Southern styles was learning through suffering and building up a strong foundation in the Say Ping Ma (Horse
stance). Many Southern styles seem to share these major guidelines. You will never see a southern style which does not work on stances
and powerful hand techniques. Most of the southern styles are family styles which represent close communication and traditional values.
The combination of Northern and Southern elements make these kung fu systems particularly versatile and effective self-defense systems.
The population and geography of Southern China played an important role in the development of the five major family styles of Southern
China. The five famous Southern Shaolin Families of Gung Fu were:

Hung Gar (founded by Hung Hei Gung/Khoon), Lau Gar (founded by Lau Sam Ngan), Choy Gar (founded by Choy Gau Yee/Choy Pak
Tat), Lei Gar (founded by Lei Gum Lun/Li Yau San) and Mok Gar (founded by Mok Ching Giu); Over time, Lau was replaced by Fut to
pay tribute to the systems Buddhist roots.

The five family systems were created strictly as fighting arts, used to battle the Qing Dynasty rulers. Unlike Northern systems, which were
much older and had evolved during peaceful times when students could study for many years before reaching higher levels; the masters of
the Southern systems had to hurry their training and quickly teach their students how to fight. As a result, hard power was taught first,
followed by internal training (if taught at all). Stances were wider and lower, and Southern footwork was less active than Northern, relying
more on the practitioner's strength for defense.

There is another less common and therefore less popular story of the creation of the Five Family styles. The claim is that Hung Ying (Ma
Hsing) whose Buddhist name was Gi Sin Sim Si was the top ranking monk of the Shaolin Temple in Honan (where he learned Gung Fu from
Tung Chan Sim Si). When the Honan Temple was destroyed by Qing troops, Gee Sin escaped to the South Sil Lum Temple (Kwong How
Temple) in Guangdong. Here he incorporated some of the short – midrange Southern elements into his Gung Fu, he then took on his ten
famous disciples to whom he taught various “old” Northern styles mixed with the “new” Southern elements. Among these disciples, were
Hung Hei Gung, Liu San Yan (Lau Soan Ngan), Choy Gau Yee/Choy Chin Kwong, Li Yau Shan (Lee Yao San), Mok Ching Gui (Mok Tai
Cheung, Mok Da Si) and Liu Chan. To each, Gi Sin Sim Shee taught a portion of the old style that was best suited to and could be learned
fastest by each student. As Liu Chan was a religious monk, his vows prevented him from fighting. The other five however, went on to fight
in the revolution. During this time, to hide their Shaolin connection, they named their fighting style after themselves. This accounts for the 5
famous Southern Families Choy, Li, Mok, Hung, and Lau; Fut was carried on by Gi Sin’s top student Ng Ging who later changed his name
to Ching Cho Wor Seung (Green Grass Monk).

Either way, except for Hung-gar, the Southern family styles individually are rarely seen today in their original forms.

NOTE: The following terms are used to differentiate key individuals associated with particular styles; based upon historical (but not
necessarily accurate) documentation.

• CREATOR: The first well documented or generally accepted individual, credited with organizing/establishing the basic elements of a
particular style.
• FOUNDER: The first well documented or generally accepted individual, credited with the naming/development/dissemination of a
particular style.
• GAR: The word Gar, means family or clan, and in this case is used to signify Gung Fu families. Depending on the dialect being used,
the following words may be used in place of Gar: Ga, Ka, Jia, Chia, Jie, Gu, and Ku.

[Ben Gash]

......Except Hung Gar is nowhere near in it's original form having been extensively re-worked in the late 19th century.
Nice mini article, but why????

[mimosa99999]

Hskwarrior,

The Five Ancestors Fist has NOTHING to do with the Five Animals System. ;)

I think your article is misplaced...

[hskwarrior]

I'm sorry, maybe this is one that i don't know too much about.

isn't Ng Ga Kuen and 5 ancestors fist the same thing?

[Ben Gash]

Ng Ga Kuen = 5 families fist. Cantonese southern Shaolin
Ng Cho Kuen = 5 ancestors fist. Fujian Shaolin formed from amalgamating five styles including Pak Hok, Tai Cho and monkey (the other 2 vary from lineage to lineage).
In the US I believe that most people's lines come from Benafico Lim and Alex Co, whereas in Europe most is from Chee Kim Thong

[hskwarrior]

oh my bad.

i thought they were the same.

but i should have recognized the "JO" or Cho" part of it.

sorry my bad.

nice article though huh?:confused: :o

[hskwarrior]

isn't Fujien also South?

and what are some noticeable differences between to two?

i mean ancestors and family can mean the same.

[Ben Gash]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7673600886285344776

[hskwarrior]

what can i compare that to??

[Ben Gash]

http://www.southern5.com/News.html :rolleyes:

[hskwarrior]

thanks:rolleyes:

[idoesnotexist]

LOL

To make it less confusing for you all, just visit the website, it has all the answers to your questions.

www.freewebs.com/fiveancestors

:)

[wuzuquan]

Five Ancestors Fist has several lineages, all of which have their own histoy/ origin of the art. This site only shows one. Some show the art to have been in existence for over 700 years.

Also bear in mind at it's inception it was devised fro existing arts that had already been in existence for many hundreds of years such as Tai Chor so to show a 200 year lineage is somewhat short changing such a fascinating art.

[Shaolin Master]

Correct Taizuquan is the father of most southern Fujianese styles including Wuzuquan. The styles became interchangeable thereafter.

However the great influence and developments that Cai Yuming had cannot be negated and warrants his position as the most important personality in the style and even founder to many.

Kind Regards

Wu Chanlong

崇福寺太祖拳传人

[wuzuquan]

What developments exactly? and what of the lineages unaffected by his influence?

[Shaolin Master]

please specify the non affected lineages and I will outline the alternate influences accordingly.

[wuzuquan]

surely you are aware of the two main lineages?....im sure there are various branches of each that may or may not have been influence by him?