Sifu Abel - Let's Fight!

[ShaolinTiger00]

*READ THIS LOUD AND CLEAR*

I would love to fight you in a pro MMA event. Let's set up something for this summer or early fall. I can fight at 205 or 185. I know dozens of promoters who can make this happen. east coast, west coast, mid west.

Put up or STFU once and for all.

[SifuAbel]

*READ THIS LOUD AND CLEAR*

I would love to fight you in a pro MMA event. Let's set up something for this summer or early fall. I can fight at 205 or 185. I know dozens of promoters who can make this happen. east coast, west coast, mid west.

Put up or STFU once and for all.

You got it. Get ready for the fight of(for) your life. Sep. or Oct. would be good for me.

Can you get us on TV? :rolleyes:

[ShaolinTiger00]

You got it.

Excellent.


Get ready for the fight of(for) your life.

*quakes* I'll leave the trash talking to you. The outcome of the fight is the only thing that matters.


Sep. or Oct. would be good for me.

I'd prefer Sept. but the reality is it's about when the promoter is having the event.
What weight class?

[Knifefighter]

Oh good god. Like he is really going to fight you.

ST, what do you think the Abelator's excuse for not fighting you will be... his injuries, not enough money, rules disagreement?

I'm guessing the TV exposure thing. Either too much or not enough, whichever is the opposite of what will be occurring.

Either that or he's too fat.


The outcome of the fight is the only thing that matters.

I'd be more interested in the punishment that occurs before the outcome... too bad it will never happen.

[SifuAbel]

After him, then you.

[SifuAbel]

Excellent.

*quakes* I'll leave the trash talking to you. The outcome of the fight is the only thing that matters.

I'd prefer Sept. but the reality is it's about when the promoter is having the event.
What weight class?


That was just a friendly warning. 205 ish is fine. Wouldn't want to starve ya.

[Knifefighter]

After him, then you.

Good.
I'll keep you to that.

[SifuAbel]

Good.
I'll keep you to that.

**** straight you will. And why. Because if left unchecked your mouth is a cornucopia of BS and disrespect. I didn't persue you before out of pure kindness.

[Knifefighter]

Well, I'm glad you finally decided not to be so "kind" anymore.

[Mr Punch]

****, looking at the title to this thread made me think I'd gone back in time 5 years.

Tell you what, I'll fight the loser, but it has to be on the same day... in fact just after the fight... like a tag team... yeah that's it, tag team it.

May the best man win.

[SifuAbel]

Well, I'm glad you finally decided not to be so "kind" anymore.


Don't be............ it won't be light hands w/ beginners this time.

And the "kindness" was that I don't usually beat on shriveled up old men.

[Green Cloud]

Tag team sounds like some broke back mountain ****e

[Sekabin]

I'll set up a popcorn selling stand nearby.











:rolleyes:

[ShaolinTiger00]

That was just a friendly warning. 205 ish is fine. Wouldn't want to starve ya.

205 "ish" is not acceptable. You're either 186-205lbs. or the state athletic commision will not let you fight.

Can you make the weight or not?

fwiw I could get on the scale at this very moment and make weight. In fact by the time this fight "might" happen (I agree with you KF) I'll already be fighting at middleweight and will have to come up to make the minimum limit for this fight.

Not a problem at all.

[BruceSteveRoy]

i know i am probably opening a can of worms here but do you two have a history of bad blood or is this a "friendly" challenge? either way is there any chance that if it does happen you guys could film it and post it on here?

[viper]

Bout time lets see some follow through much respect for the both of you actually getin in there yeh baby i wanna c this

[TonyM.]

JUst more retarded kiddy crap fron a loser arsehole.

[lkfmdc]

i know i am probably opening a can of worms here but do you two have a history of bad blood



ST said boots were the new "in" accessory, Abel disagreed and said it was hand bags. There was a discussion about the new "black" and some harsh words about ST's manicure, and then it was on baby! :D

[Pork Chop]

Coach Ross

How bout you and Negron co-promote it and also fight on the card. You could get both forums involved and bill it as "Internet Grudge Match". Whaddya think? :D

[GeneChing]

Officially, I'm supposed to disclaim any challenges here on the forum on the advice of legal counsel (so many wannabe martial artists always trying to sue us :rolleyes: ). But since this gauntlet has been thrown down as a 'pro MMA' fight, a legal match, it's different. If that can happen, we'd enjoy to see the results. Hopefully, it's not just more talk and y'all can post a youtube vid or something here when it's over.

[PangQuan]

i dont know either of you, but its been built up pretty well now.

if one person backs out, they suck.

[Knifefighter]

Don't be............ it won't be light hands w/ beginners this time.

This time???
There was no first time.

[norther practitioner]

Wow, I thought I navigated myself into the archives......

I'll start a paypal for airfair if need be, we'll all chip in.

[PangQuan]

i got 5 on it

[lkfmdc]

Pork Chop

This is just between you and me (and the million other people who can read it), but I'm around 180 right now so I'm in that person's weight class, but they would NEVER DO IT :eek:

As Gene said, if it's a sanctioned professional match, all the power to them. Why not be the under card on Cung's next fight in San Jose?

[Green Cloud]

Ross the only problem we have is that one guy is in California and the other in Ohio

[ShaolinTiger00]

Pork Chop

This is just between you and me (and the million other people who can read it), but I'm around 180 right now so I'm in that person's weight class, but they would NEVER DO IT :eek:

As Gene said, if it's a sanctioned professional match, all the power to them. Why not be the under card on Cung's next fight in San Jose?

I'm not sure who's promoting that event or if they'd even be interested or when it would occur, but I'm definately down for coming to CA for the fight. Luckily there are now numerous events in CA now that it is legal.

Gene: I understand your situation and for all involved I wanted to make it clear that I was making an invitation for a sanctioned, legal, public match in a form that allows for the widest set of rules possible in civilized society.

It will certainly be recorded.

[WinterPalm]

The Monkey King Versus the Back Country Wrestler!

This is going to be huge!

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

im not going to set myself up to be let down.

i just can't do it.

[SifuAbel]

This time???
There was no first time.

What? You forget all those "superfights" with the beginners in your local KF schools you kept bragging about?

Pfft.

[SifuAbel]

WEC does cage fights that are later viewed on HDN. HDTV, baby!!

So how about it, mickey mouse. Lets wet our appetites with some video of you doing your worst.

[unkokusai]

No way in hell this is really gonna happen.

[svenfeynord]

Please post these videos. I would like to see some. If you guys are as good as you say please let everyone see what you are packing.

Maybe it will help my style.

[ShaolinTiger00]

No way in hell this is really gonna happen.

I run a MMA school. This is what I do.

[Green Cloud]

Dave I still have to point out One Guy is In EFEN ohio and the other in Cali. How is this going to happen. The fact is most CMA OR MMA don't have the money to take off and spend money flying half way around the country. Especialy when there is no money concerned.

[Royal Dragon]

The Fighters here are in different weight classes too....I bet that will be the first excuse.

[The Willow Sword]

ive been on this forum for YEARS. I am one of the few here who has issued a challenge to another forum member and actually showed up for it and had witnesses to corroborate. Of course Reemul and i were in the same city.
i have to agree with green cloud here, too far apart.

Plus this all rings of a set-up if you ask me, a bunch of yappin and typing.

I think its a waste of your alls fukin time and energy anyway:rolleyes:


But if it actually happens yeah my "ego" is curious to see what comes of it. so definately post the vid somewhere.

As always,,TWS

[unkokusai]

I run a MMA school. This is what I do.

What I meant is that no way in hell is he gonna show.

[Green Cloud]

No one is gonna show

[PangQuan]

i have an idea.

find out how much a round trip ticket will be, we can start a collection fund and get that sucker purchased.

this CAN happen.

also, i have a question for ST00, what is your CMA background. with shaolin in your handle i would assume at some point you were involved in the CMA community to a degree.

thanks
PQ

[Wong Ying Home]

why not set up a fund deposit account via paypal, that all your friends, contributors, readers at kfm can make a nominal donation, to cover costs of flight and possible a small purse for the winner.

That way no reason to not meet due to travel costs. Make the venue centrally located, so a neutral and fair ground can be used as well.??

Just a thought to overcome the issue of travel

[PangQuan]

why not set up a fund deposit account via paypal, that all your friends, contributors, readers at kfm can make a nominal donation, to cover costs of flight and possible a small purse for the winner.

That way no reason to not meet due to travel costs. Make the venue centrally located, so a neutral and fair ground can be used as well.??

Just a thought to overcome the issue of travel

here here, plenty of support for this happening.

i got a few bucks down on it.

but you know, airfair isnt THAT much. a few bills...

[Mutant]

Whoohoo, Drama-fest!:rolleyes:
*grabs popcorn*

[Mutant]

I would love for this to happen, but I'm not going to hold my breath, knowing the history of this all.... would be shocked if the fight actually were to take place. :eek:

[SevenStar]

Dave I still have to point out One Guy is In EFEN ohio and the other in Cali. How is this going to happen. The fact is most CMA OR MMA don't have the money to take off and spend money flying half way around the country. Especialy when there is no money concerned.


promoters will take care of that. In many events, the promoters will cover travel expenses for you to fight in their events.

the challenge matches tossed around on this forum happen on our own dime. But if the event is promoted and sanctioned, they can get it covered.

[lkfmdc]

Hate to break it to some of you lazy basdaads, but amateur fighters travel a lot if they REALLY want to fight, we're NY based and have fought in Florida, MD, Ohio, MA, CA, PA, etc....

[ShaolinTiger00]

I've already posted that I'm very willing to travel and I'm currently in talks with a few CA promoters. As I have friends who have fought for KOTC (King of the Cage)
I'd like to get on their Sept 22 event at SOBOBA CASINO in San Jacinto CA.

LOL - I keep getting a "He's a kung fu guy?" from the promoters.

[SifuAbel]

Thats not good for me. It has to be after Oct.

Call it an Internet grudge match.

To answer Pang.

ST counts the 9 years of Jow gar in his 13 year training time. I find this funny since he doesn't value it.


I'm all for it. I'm doing it because I'm tired of his yapping and grandstanding.

Whats your motivation, mickey? Video?

[PangQuan]

mmmm, interesting.

well i certainly hope this happens.

if so, gl to the both of you.

[FuXnDajenariht]

can't u get cheap tix for like 80 bucks on jetblue and some other airlines?

[ShaolinTiger00]

WTF?

The ducking has begun!


Thats not good for me. It has to be after Oct.


My very first post said "Let's set up something for this summer or early fall."

Your reply was:

You got it. Get ready for the fight of(for) your life. Sep. or Oct. would be good for me.

You see I'm an active fighter. I have a fight coming up in a few weeks for a title, another for middle of the summer and I asked you to fight in early fall. Now you're trying to move it back to Nov? by November I'll have several more fights on my record and no promoter will even consider putting me vs. a guy with no fights.

I think I know exactly what's going on. It seemed clear to me when he said "205 ish was fine"

I think this guy is seriously overweight and will not be able to make even the higher 205lb. limit by my suggested date of Sept 22nd for the KOTC event.

[Green Cloud]

Can we keep the fight on the east coast so I don't have to travel??

[Green Cloud]

There are a few things to consider

1) ST it sounds like you are fighting on a professional level

2) SifuAble I'm assuming hasn't had any MMA matches and I'm not sure about this but in the Iskba I think you have to have at leat 6 fights before you can go pro

3) What about Sanctioning don't you have to be liscenced??

[Royal Dragon]

How about you guys just forget the whole weight class crap and just fight?

I mean, didn't the MMA God Gracie himself fight and WIN against guys who greatly out wieghed him?

What, are you so afraid of a "Kung Fu" guy that you have to be talking weight classes?

Just go in there, Mount him from the Guard with an armbar and choke him out already!

[ShaolinTiger00]

Can we keep the fight on the east coast so I don't have to travel??


I'd fight on the East Coast. Brian Cimmins (a very famous promoter of quality events) is having an event in late August in NJ and he told me that he could put us on the card.

[ShaolinTiger00]

There are a few things to consider

1) ST it sounds like you are fighting on a professional level



Please pay attention fellas. I asked for a pro fight in the very first post.

[ShaolinTiger00]

How about you guys just forget the whole weight class crap and just fight?

Because sanctioned events have weight classes. and I have a fight every few months. I am having my last few fights at 205 and will be down to 185 for the rest of my career. They will not allow a middleweight to fight heavyweight without making the minimum weight and that would totally **** me up. I'd have to gain 16lbs+ and then lose it again to continue in a weightclass that I'm trying to get a title in. Abel is maybe 5'-8" tops If he can't make 205 then he's shaped like a butterball turkey.

I asked him if he could fight at 205 and he said he could. End of discussion.




What, are you so afraid of a "Kung Fu" guy that you have to be talking weight classes?

I'm not afraid at all. in fact I probably won't even prepare in my normal manner. I'll just teach my daily classes.

[unkokusai]

Thats not good for me. It has to be after Oct.


Well, that didn't take long. :rolleyes:

[Green Cloud]

Please pay attention fellas. I asked for a pro fight in the very first post.

ST I knew that, I was just pointing out the obvious. Sifu A does not have a professional status in this kind of venue that causes a lot of red tape:(

[Green Cloud]

Well, that didn't take long. :rolleyes:

Hey did I tell you I saw your moms yesterday, yea she was kicking a can across the street. And I said " hey what are ya doing??" She said what's it look like fool I'm moving! :D

[unkokusai]

How's your literacy class going? Almost ready for the GED?

[Green Cloud]

Common ya gada work on your Snap Fu boy:p

[MyDrills]

why not set up a fund deposit account via paypal, that all your friends, contributors, readers at kfm can make a nominal donation, to cover costs of flight and possible a small purse for the winner.

That way no reason to not meet due to travel costs. Make the venue centrally located, so a neutral and fair ground can be used as well.??

Just a thought to overcome the issue of travel


That's a very good suggestion :)

[Green Cloud]

This is why I don't go for all this pay per view ****e, that's just too much trouble. Although it is good for buiss. ;)

[PangQuan]

Unkokusai

stop trying to hijack all the threads....thats my job :p

[Knifefighter]

There are a few things to consider

1) ST it sounds like you are fighting on a professional level

2) SifuAble I'm assuming hasn't had any MMA matches and I'm not sure about this but in the Iskba I think you have to have at leat 6 fights before you can go pro

3) What about Sanctioning don't you have to be liscenced??

2- No, you don't have to have any amateur fights to fight pro. One of our fightiers just made his pro debut without having amateur fights beforehand.

3- Yes, you have to get licensed with the California state athletic commision to do a pro fight. This is relatively easy to do, but I'm betting Unable will use this as his out.

[lkfmdc]

This is going to be cool, Sifu Abel can come into the cage and scream "you have insulted my family and you have disgraced the shaolin temple" then they can both run across the cage at eachother and flying kick. The only question is, will the CA commission allow the iron claw in the cage?

:rolleyes:

[PangQuan]

so what would happen, if it were possible, if a kung fu guy who was specialized in say....iron tiger claw, were to be in a cage match and use it.

sure they would be disqualified, but if they actually messed someone up, would that just make people hate kung fu more?

[lkfmdc]

so what would happen, if it were possible, if a kung fu guy who was specialized in say....iron tiger claw, were to be in a cage match and use it.

sure they would be disqualified, but if they actually messed someone up, would that just make people hate kung fu more?

Someone completely missed that this was a sarcastic reference to the final fight scene in enter the dragon :D

[PangQuan]

no, no.

it just sparked a question is all.

[svenfeynord]

is there going to be a fight? I want to know when so i can watch. i am excited, i have not seen good quality kungfu fighting before, besides the jackie chan bruce lee movies.

[unkokusai]

so what would happen, if it were possible, if a kung fu guy who was specialized in say....iron tiger claw, were to be in a cage match and use it.

sure they would be disqualified, but if they actually messed someone up, would that just make people hate kung fu more?


lol

I don't think we'll ever have to worry about finding out...

[Royal Dragon]

It is an interesting point though. If Abel goes in there, and breaks bones, especially in the first few seconds of the fight, will it finally be accepted that Kung Fu is too deadly for the ring? or will he just be seen as an a$$hole who took a grudge too far?

[unkokusai]

It is an interesting point though. If Abel goes in there, and breaks bones, especially in the first few seconds of the fight, will it finally be accepted that Kung Fu is too deadly for the ring? or will he just be seen as an a$$hole who took a grudge too far?


Only one way to find out. Too bad we won't.

[Water Dragon]

I predict that this is going to end in a sweaty ball of Cuban style man luv.

[SifuAbel]

It is an interesting point though. If Abel goes in there, and breaks bones, especially in the first few seconds of the fight, will it finally be accepted that Kung Fu is too deadly for the ring? or will he just be seen as an a$$hole who took a grudge too far?


Not only would I be called a farking icehole, I would get a million armchair quarterbacks like uncookingspray to say how I didn't really use Kung fu.

:rolleyes:

There are reasons why I need the extra time. None of which are due to weight. No matter how lean, I doubt I would ever get past 195. I got too much man muscle for that. Plus, I don't have twig legs either so that adds weight. Perhaps it would be better to just get you over here for another match after Oct or so and we can do a side thing in some school somewhere.

In the mean time stop dodging my observations. And don't give me that "what observations" crap. You had enough time to answer a portion of the same posts.

Video?

[unkokusai]

Not only would I be called a farking icehole, I would get a million armchair quarterbacks like uncookingspray to say how I didn't really use Kung fu.



No, no, if you were to actually do what you say for once and not back down as you are already beginning to do, I'll give you your props. I'm all for the KF. In fact, I wouldn't care what you "used". Its all about results anyway.



But everyone knows you won't do it.

[unkokusai]

There are reasons why I need the extra time.






And so it goes.............................:rolleyes:

[Water Dragon]

Sifu Abel may have to get gangsta on all you disrespectful little punks and break out the horse stance picture :mad:

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

i still have that pic

[SifuAbel]

No, no, if you were to actually do what you say for once and not back down as you are already beginning to do, I'll give you your props. I'm all for the KF. In fact, I wouldn't care what you "used". Its all about results anyway.



But everyone knows you won't do it.


Are you willing to put real money on that? :rolleyes:

Lets make it interesting, lets start a paypal betting pool.

Speaking of pics, why should anyone here care what the most anonymous poster ever in the history of KFM has to say? When you, Undersizedjohnson, has never produced so much as a hint of whom you are. No name, no pic, no video, no nothing, just BS one liners.

And that is all, don't expect another answer. I, and everyone else should, cut you off right now. No more attention for you. :p

[SifuAbel]

Here's me at 205. Not exactly a "butterball".

http://home.earthlink.net/~sifuabel/DbroadSw2.JPG

http://home.earthlink.net/~sifuabel/DSC00007.JPG

I know, I know. I changed my haircut since then.

[unkokusai]

Are you willing to put real money on that? :rolleyes:

Lets make it interesting, lets start a paypal betting pool.


No need for all that. Just back up what you say for once. I think that'll be enough to impress everyone.

[unkokusai]

When you, Undersizedjohnson, has never produced so much as a hint of whom you are. No name, no pic, no video, no nothing, just BS one liners.


When have I made any claims about myself that I asked anyone to believe? When have I made a threat, promise, etc. that I then backed out of? I have absolutely no interest in impressing or convincing anyone of anything. You do, and yet you puss out every time. :rolleyes:

In any case, this is just the very predictable distraction phase of your long-term plan to drag out 'negotiations' over this and *** out in the end. NO ONE believes you are going to go through with this.

[SifuAbel]

When have I made any claims about myself that I asked anyone to believe? When have I made a threat, promise, etc. that I then backed out of. I have absolutely no interest in impressing or convincing anyone of anything. You do, and yet you puss out every time. :rolleyes:

In any case, this is just the very predictable distraction phase of your long-term plan to drag out 'negotiations' over this and *** out in the end. NO ONE believes you are going to go through with this.

Ok One more answer. What you believe is none of my concern.

And you seem to be under some notion of a double standard. That I have to go to extreme lengths in full contact MMA fighting just to support my opinions, yet you don't. You magically can say anything and not be held accountable. hmmmm interesting little world you've set up for yourself. Go back to DL. Nobody cares what you say here.

[unkokusai]

Ok One more answer. What you believe is none of my concern.

And you seem to be under some notion of a double standard. That I have to go to extreme lengths in full contact MMA fighting just to support my opinions, yet you don't. You magically can say anything and not be held accountable. hmmmm interesting little world you've set up for yourself. Go back to DL. Nobody cares what you say here.


More distractions.........:rolleyes:

The distinction that you are well aware of but trying to use as part of your weasel-out plan is that I don't give a rat's ass if anyone believes anything about me. I'm not making any threats, demands, or challenges. You not only go to great pains to have people believe you (kung-fu does work!), but you make a lot of noise about what you'll do to this one or that one and pretend to plan on fighting to prove your point when you know **** well you're just a fraud.

Now, whatever "oh yeah? what about you?" you are going to say next will not change any of the above.

[FuXnDajenariht]

lol god**** this is going to be a disaster...


i gave up ****ing contests in the 4th grade thankfully.

[Royal Dragon]

I wanna see the horse stance picture! :p

[GreenCloudCLF]

that is all.

[ShaolinTiger00]

There are reasons why I need the extra time. None of which are due to weight.

Then why would you AGREE to fight in Sept or Oct?


No matter how lean, I doubt I would ever get past 195. I got too much man muscle for that. Plus, I don't have twig legs either so that adds weight.

What is the point of this? I asked if you could make 205!


Perhaps it would be better to just get you over here for another match after Oct or so and we can do a side thing in some school somewhere.

No it wouldn't be "better". I asked to fight you in a pro fight under MMA rules in Sept or Oct and you're backing out..


In the mean time stop dodging my observations. And don't give me that "what observations" crap. You had enough time to answer a portion of the same posts.
Video?

Video? no. I've got plenty on compact vhs some of which our own MerryPrankster filmed for me, but I don't have the time of feel the need to process it to digital format for you, a guy I'm trying to set up a fight with. Why give you that advantage? lol I could care less about video of you..


Here's me at 205. Not exactly a "butterball". I know, I know. I changed my haircut since then.

First off I said "Abel is maybe 5'-8" tops If he can't make 205 then he's shaped like a butterball turkey."

Apparently you can get to 205 so there should be no problem right? which btw, from looking at those pics, if you don't think you could get down to 185 and cut some of that gut you're even more delusional than I thought! but that's ok 205 will be fine.

And I'm going ot make an assumption that you haven't been 205 for a long time which only helps consolidate my theory on why you need more time.

[Merryprankster]

Video? no. I've got plenty on compact vhs some of which our own MerryPrankster filmed for me, but I don't have the time of feel the need to process it to digital format for you, a guy I'm trying to set up a fight with. Why give you that advantage? lol I could care less about video of you..


Really? When? That must have been a Judo tournament, yeah?

Cause I don't think I had the video camera when I no-hands footswept you to the floor, LOL :P

BTW ST00, my gift to myself on retirement is to fight MMA at 41. I also found a guy here who runs a good athletic training facility and to overcome any potential holes in my physical training, I'm going to be knocking on his door 16 weeks out from the Pan-Ams next year. Kind of excited about that. He knows what he's doing.

I will pony up $300 for any airline ticket Sifu Abel might need to go to the east coast, if the west coast is not feasible.

[lkfmdc]

I know not many here are actually active in teh fight game, but let's set something straight

ANYONE can cut 10 lbs to "make weight", even a butterball turkey....

"making weight" just means being a certain number on a certain date (usually the day BEFORE the event)...

Even an elite athlete with 7 to 10% body fat can cut 10 lbs because it is WATER...

everyone has at least 10 lbs of water they can "cut" before a fight...

By the way, I doubt either of you is 7% body fat!

[SifuAbel]

Thats not good for me. It has to be after Oct.

Call it an Internet grudge match.

To answer Pang.

ST counts the 9 years of Jow gar in his 13 year training time. I find this funny since he doesn't value it.


I'm all for it. I'm doing it because I'm tired of his yapping and grandstanding.

Whats your motivation, mickey? Video?

Whats the difference? Its just a couple of months more. I am 5'8". I can make 205 if thats the border. You better train.

Now back to the above observations. Whats your motivation? To prove CMA is ineffective?

And what about your "experience", if your kung fu was so bad why do you count it?

[ShaolinTiger00]

Really? When? That must have been a Judo tournament, yeah?

It was. the infamous "hotter than satan's jockstrap" tournament.


By the way, I doubt either of you is 7% body fat!

And neither are you Ross, wtf does that have to do with anything? Abel said he could make 205 and I don't care how he gets there just as long as a state official approves it.

[ShaolinTiger00]

Whats the difference? Its just a couple of months more. I am 5'8". I can make 205 if thats the border. You better train.

Now back to the above observations. Whats your motivation? To prove CMA is ineffective?

And what about your "experience", if your kung fu was so bad why do you count it?


My motivation?

1. To beat you up.

2. To show how ineffective tcma is.

I do not count my tcma experience. (Why the hell would I do that?) Wrestling, Boxing, San shou, Judo , Bjj, MMA - Why would I corrupt such a good resume with crap?

You said you could fight in Sept- Oct. Are you willing to travel?

[Green Cloud]

My motivation?

1. To beat you up.

2. To show how ineffective tcma is.

I do not count my tcma experience. (Why the hell would I do that?) Wrestling, Boxing, San shou, Judo , Bjj, MMA - Why would I corrupt such a good resume with crap?

You said you could fight in Sept- Oct. Are you willing to travel?

St realy have your grudge match, if it can actauly happen with all the red tape and all. That's why I always say it's better to close the doors and hash it out on the mat. It's easier to get it over and done that way.

I don't know if Sifu able represent's the entire comunity, but if it is your desire to discredit CMA than there is more at stake here.

First of all if your asking the guy to step into one of your venues, than I think the guy deserves a chance to compete in some amature venues and get some experience under his belt, you know just like you did. It's only fair, having to adjust your fighting strategy is very important before you step into the cage.

Infact just like you have to learn how to use the ropes in the ring, you have to learn how to use the fence to your advantage. In order to that you got to have some ring time. You can't ask a guy to walk into a profesinal event without having some experience, hell why don't you ask the guy to wear a blind fold while he is at it.

Most of my guys loose the first time they enter into new events, eventualy after a couple fights they win.

The other thing is even if you win you still got 9 years of CMA under you belt. So as far as I'm concerned even if you do win I will have to point out that you put in 9 years of kung fu. Why not when kung won a UFC match they never gave credit to him as a CMA but set ooo wait he has a wrestling back round even though he's been doin San Da San Shou for over 20 years.

As far as I'm concerned if you win It just shows me that a chinese MA with 4 years of MMA training won the fight. As far as able is concerned it will just show that he didn't have time to train.

You guys wana settle it quiker close the doors and take it on the mat mono e mono like men. we don't need to have this hiped up pay per view shiite.

[unkokusai]

LOL


Backing out by proxy!

[Green Cloud]

Dude you are realy starting to spook me with the stalker stuff:eek: I just finished writing that post how could you have taken all that in and posted back so soon, you might as well go boo while ya at it.

[lkfmdc]

And neither are you Ross, wtf does that have to do with anything? Abel said he could make 205 and I don't care how he gets there just as long as a state official approves it.

Wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Frankly, I could care less about this "match" or either of you. I was pointing out what should be freakin obvious, both of you should be able to make weight one way or another. IN this case, it seems the issue is more Abel, as you said you are already below the weight class

[ShaolinTiger00]

Wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Frankly, I could care less about this "match" or either of you. I was pointing out what should be freakin obvious, both of you should be able to make weight one way or another. IN this case, it seems the issue is more Abel, as you said you are already below the weight class

No, it just seemed like your comment was directed at me, when it's clearly Abel that would have the weight cutting issue.

But he has now said that he can do it.:)

Green cloud - Why I suggested a pro MMA fight? Very simply put: It has the widest set of rules in any martial arts competition that is sanctioned by law.

amateur mma? for starters Abel wouldn't be allowed to kick or knee to the head and the gloves are 3-4oz. larger.

I'm trying to remove as many excuses possible for Abel to not accept the fight.

[Green Cloud]

with all due respect, Any coach or manager would disway their fighter from doing this till they had some ring time. That's what I'm talking about here.

[unkokusai]

I'm trying to remove as many excuses possible for Abel to not accept the fight.



I don't think you'll be able to keep up with his ability to make new ones.

[PangQuan]

i agree with greencloud.

some people like to be bias when they make claims or put forth ego. it is human nature.

when you look at things in a very real literal light, much of what any one person thinks on any one subject, will be found to have personal twists in the way they feel about it.

[FuXnDajenariht]

yea so its a vendetta against kung fu?

heh... yikes. your gonna have a lot of ass kicking to do my friend.

[SifuAbel]

2. To show how ineffective tcma is.



:rolleyes:

So we now have proof positive of what your intentions are here on the board.

You are here simply as part of the haters club. To ego stroke youself by keeping the poor unwashed CMA masses down. pathetic.

You have absolutly no affiliation with kung fu even though it makes up 9 of your 13 years. Pathetic.

I would like all of you to refer to this post in future when ST tries to make some affiliating comments about his kung fu experience. Sucky as it was.

ST is ralek. :D

[SifuAbel]

I want ST to take a urine test. It seems he's got the "roid rage".

:rolleyes: :eek: :D

Either that or stop snorting Coke. You seem to think that you are the mountain, dream on.

[SifuAbel]

Green cloud - Why I suggested a pro MMA fight? Very simply put: It has the widest set of rules in any martial arts competition that is sanctioned by law.




Why does it need to be sanctioned by anything? If you want the widest possible ruleset then lets agree , no groin, no eyes, respect the tap, no retaliation. Thats it.

[SifuAbel]

which btw, from looking at those pics, if you don't think you could get down to 185 and cut some of that gut you're even more delusional than I thought!

What Gut? You're tripping.

[Water Dragon]

Why don't you two just settle this over a nice bowl of flan?

[SifuAbel]

His flan is made with his daddy's milk.

[Royal Dragon]

Ah Sifu Abel...I don't mean to interupt when you are on a roll, but didn't you just have knee surgery?

With recovery time and all, before you can really even begin to train again, how are you going to pull this off?

[Royal Dragon]

ST is ralek.

Reply]
Honestly, I allways figured both Shaolin Tiger, AND Ralek were Gene Ching. As a professional writer, he's the only one of us with enough talent to pull it off. :D

[Royal Dragon]

Oh my God!! WD is Back!!

How have you been anyway?

[SifuAbel]

Ah Sifu Abel...I don't mean to interupt when you are on a roll, but didn't you just have knee surgery?

With recovery time and all, before you can really even begin to train again, how are you going to pull this off?

Oh holy crap, you let the cat out of the bag!!

Oh well, yes, I had knee surgery . Now everybody knows my dirty little secret. I should be O.K. by Nov.

thanks RD. :eek:

[SifuAbel]

Heres a blast from the past.

http://www.geocities.com/fatal_blue2001/index

"I began training in the Chinese martial arts in 1994 under the respected coach Mike Barry and fighting in San Shou tournaments in 1996."

You should be somwhat good by now. :rolleyes:

Here's DC MMA at sherdog. Hmmmm no kung fu in his profile there.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=282072

It also seems that http://www.nextlevelfights.com/ has you as the lowest ranked. And you are under "other". hee hee charming.

Will we get to see video of this?


Mark Hoppel vs Bill Easlick (steelvalley MMA)

[Water Dragon]

Oh my God!! WD is Back!!

How have you been anyway?

Just busy with work and the single Dad thing.

[Water Dragon]

Oh my God!! WD is Back!!

How have you been anyway?

Just busy with work and the single Dad thing.

[Royal Dragon]

Yes, I understand that.

I have been working with a freind of mine doing Tai Chi mostly, as well as my favorite Tai Tzu.

He does Zhao Bao style, and I have been basically getting spanked in pushhands.

We have a school (his really) in Naperville called the "Healing Energy center" It's on rt59. about a block south of the I-88 ramp.

[Water Dragon]

I haven't even trained in about 9 months. I'm thinking about starting back up soon. I went to a Judo club down here for a few months when I first got to Texas, and I think I'm gonna go back. I like Judo a lot, it suits me.

[Royal Dragon]

I'm basically doing the same stuff as when you knew me, only I added the push hands practice. My main focus lately has been the Shaolin 32 move Tai Tzu set, Wu Bu Chuan, and belive it or not, just standing there and holding the ball.

My back is pretty much healed up now, so I can throw down without worry. Doing so has exposed some holes in my game, mostly haveing to do with position controll and such. I have to work on my angles more.

[SifuAbel]

WTF?
You see I'm an active fighter. I have a fight coming up in a few weeks for a title, another for middle of the summer and I asked you to fight in early fall. Now you're trying to move it back to Nov? by November I'll have several more fights on my record and no promoter will even consider putting me vs. a guy with no fights.


How the 6th ranked fighter gets to fight the top means one thing, tomato can.


So by nov. you'll have what, 3, 4, 5, fights? And thats big deal? :rolleyes: I don't care about stupid titles or rankings. You can get around most all of this by calling it an exibition fight. Or do you think this is just an easy plus on your fight record?

"""""The "NEXT LEVEL CHALLENGE"

Next Level challenges ANY team from ANYWHERE to come and fill one side of a fight card. We have 20 fighters, so match-up will be easy!

If your team wins more than 1/2 of the matches (8 minimum), Next Level promoter Ed Chanoski will donate $500 cash to your club for fight gear and supplies. """""

some title................

[hungganyc]

ST:

I do not count my tcma experience. (Why the hell would I do that?) Wrestling, Boxing, San shou, Judo , Bjj, MMA - Why would I corrupt such a good resume with crap?

This fight is between two men and this has nothing to do with style.

Through a mutual friend i understand that ST is a pretty good MMA. If ST loses, you certainly can't say that MMA is weak nor can you say that ST represents every MMArtist. The same goes for Sifu Abel.

Sifu Abel, i don't understand why you would accept a professional fight with a guy who does it for a living and literally step into his arena. It's honorable that you would stand up for CMA, but maybe you should put this whole thing into perspective.

ST, as a fighter i can respect your challenge to a professional fight, but i think your being very prejudice towards alot of CMArtists. Yeah, yeah, i know that we have a problem in the TCMA community with alot of fake kung fu schools misrepresenting real CMA. ST, Will you accept a challeng to fight any CMA FOR REAL since you seem to be saying that all kung fu people are "crap"?

When you guys fight your only representing yourselves.

[ShaolinTiger00]

Here's the reality behind the Next Level Fighting.

The promoter of the events also runs a fighter's gym and he ranks his guys top. It's pretty corrupt deal but we've already committed to this fight card. I've never fought on for his events so I'm the bottom of the totem pole. Doesn't mean **** to me at all. As you can see I'm fighting Mark who is ranked no. 1, but interestingly enough my fighter Dan Gale is ranked 3rd but Dan has a win by submission where Mark has only won by decision yet Mark gets top billing.. :rolleyes:

I could care less about the title, rank etc. at the end it's about your fight record.

I'm glad you're fanatically looking me up on the internet. It's pretty falttering. btw if you come across my great grandfather's social security number let me know!

I've noticed that you haven't answered my questions regarding travel etc.

btw: what is your email? The promoter of KOTC wants to get your info for the Sept 22nd fightcard.

[unkokusai]

Sifu Abel, i don't understand why you would accept a professional fight with a guy who does it for a living and literally step into his arena. It's honorable that you would stand up for CMA, but maybe you should put this whole thing into perspective.


LOL

I don't think you need to worry about it, he'll never show and never intended to.

[Knifefighter]

THE COMPLETE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO BACKPEDALING

by

SeeFool Disabled

Chapter 1- "Accepting the Challenge"

I'm all for it.
Get ready for the fight of(for) your life.
I'm doing it because I'm tired of his yapping and grandstanding.
Sep. or Oct. would be good for me.



Chapter 2- "Basics of Beginning Backpedaling"

Thats not good for me. It has to be after Oct.
Not only would I be called a farking icehole, I would get a million armchair quarterbacks like uncookingspray to say how I didn't really use Kung fu.
That I have to go to extreme lengths in full contact MMA fighting just to support my opinions
There are reasons why I need the extra time.

Chapter 3- "Backpedaling by Proxy"

First of all if your asking the guy to step into one of your venues, than I think the guy deserves a chance to compete in some amature venues and get some experience under his belt, you know just like you did. It's only fair, having to adjust your fighting strategy is very important before you step into the cage.
You guys wana settle it quiker close the doors and take it on the mat mono e mono like men. we don't need to have this hiped up pay per view shiite.
Sifu Abel, i don't understand why you would accept a professional fight with a guy who does it for a living and literally step into his arena. It's honorable that you would stand up for CMA, but maybe you should put this whole thing into perspective.

Chapter 4- "Advanced Backpedaling Techniques"

Ah Sifu Abel...I don't mean to interupt when you are on a roll, but didn't you just have knee surgery?
With recovery time and all, before you can really even begin to train again, how are you going to pull this off?
Oh well, yes, I had knee surgery . Now everybody knows my dirty little secret. I should be O.K. by Nov.
Oh holy crap, you let the cat out of the bag!!

Chapter 5- "Mistakes to Avoid: Making Yourself Look Stupid by Backpedaling and Then Calling Your Opponent a Tomato Can”

How the 6th ranked fighter gets to fight the top means one thing, tomato can.

Chapter 6- "Video Clip Showing the Consequences of Not Backpedaling”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz2djUUibdI&search=bjj%20fight



...
...

[Green Cloud]

This is the most narcisistic thread I've read. I actualy lost several eye Q points reading it.

Who cares, these guys do not represent the best of the MA world. For peats sake if you guys wana fight just get together and do it.

You guys say abel makes exuses, but jeezzz lets make it a pro fight and complicate the whole thing.

Look at some of the old Gracie clips, they just have it out at their school when challengers came in.

You wana make a point just name a time and place that won't cost ya time and money and just fo king fight.



greencloud.net

[Knifefighter]

I actualy lost several eye Q points reading it.

!!!??? Eye Q points !!!???
Yeah, you sure did.
Either that or the NY educational system is really in shambles.

[jethro]

nicely done.


Question: am I just gonna be computer illiterate? How the hell do you make it all pretty with the quotes? Can somebody lpease teach me so I can rip on people in a nicely presented post like that? Kf-i hate you, hey, can you post for me?:o

[WinterPalm]

Nevermind this whole MMA nonsense. You guys should fight for real like MEN. The posturing is boring, this whole thread is filled with garbage and childish slander...I actually think that both of you are doing very poor jobs of representing both CMA and MMA. I can't believe either of you are coaches or Sifu or whatever. Take this whole thing, like five years ago or whenever it started, to private email. Set a date...throw down...post a video and maybe come away with some new found respect for each other.

[Green Cloud]

I know it's spelled IQ you fool, EYE was just being witty. Besides Unokusai is my spelling teacher not you.

[lkfmdc]

"Video Clip Showing the Consequences of Not Backpedaling”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz2djUUibdI&search=bjj%20fight



Sorry, but what is the point of that clip? A guy who clearly has no ground fighting getting taken out by a BJJ black belt? No big surprise here is there?

But more importantly, at least the guy agreed to fight. He stood up for what he believed in, even if he turned out to be wrong. ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't?

I'm a product of the NY public education system, and I've been known to mis type a few words from time to time, and I also find this thread increasingly dumb

[Knifefighter]

Sorry, but what is the point of that clip? A guy who clearly has no ground fighting getting taken out by a BJJ black belt? No big surprise here is there?
Ummm... yeah... that's exactly the point.

I'm not sure what level the BJJ guy was, but I'm guessing that he was probably more likely a blue or purple, rather than a black belt, based on the couple of mistakes he made when he was setting up and moving into the mount.

If ST has been training MMA for 4 or 5 years, that should be about his level of ground skill.
...and if he has been training Judo, his takedowns will be probably be better and more damaging.

[CaptinPickAxe]

Abel, (you are not worthy of being called Sifu) quit tounglashing and save your spit for licking your wounds.

First things first, you are a dammed fool for taking a fight against a grappler when YOU JUST HAD KNEE SURGERY!!! What in your twisted mind makes you think that we won't tool your knee? Did your magic Qigong heal all your wounds? If you have the testicular fortitude to go through with this, I can see a career ending injury. Bad Knee+Good grappling=crippled.

Don't let your mouth write checks your body can't cash, chump.

Now...by all means, backpedal some more. Please, all this Mouth-Fu has me quite entertained.

[lkfmdc]

I'm not sure what level the BJJ guy was, but I'm guessing that he was probably more likely a blue or purple, rather than a black belt, based on the couple of mistakes he made when he was setting up and moving into the mount.



Portuguese is similar enought to Spanish that I'd say with some confidence he is a black belt. The opening credits said ("Cinturon Negro") Black Belt in Brazilian JiuJitsu vs Black Belt in Shotokan Karate)

The location ("lugar") is also the BJJ guy's academy in Brazil

[hungganyc]

LMAO

This CMA vs. MMA thing is so muther fuken ridiculous. Is this the state of Martial Arts these days? Grown men fighting over whose style is better? Do people these days actually believe this? If you think your style is better than another fighter's style, i should assume that you know alot about the other guy's style and that you've also faced every fighter from that style. you certainly missed guys from our camp during your world tour.

How well do you think an average MMA would do against a Tae Kwon Do fighter in a Tae Kwon Don arena using Olympic Tae Kwon Do rules?

You guys got it all twisted. Talk to some of the old school fighters from the early 70's. Everyone eventually respected each others style, but respect for the man himself was more important.

CMA is fundamentally the same as most styles of martial arts, including MMA.

[Finny]

I got no horse in this race, other than being curious to see the fight.

ST - If you're so determined to do this, and are worried about Abel's backpeddalling - simple solution, remove the two restrictions he is using.

1. So he wants it in Nov. - fair enough, he initially agreed to Sept/Oct - now he's changed his mind - why not simply accommodate him? Yes I read your post about having other fights... but wait, I have a solution to that one too...

2. Remove the whole "it has to be a pro fight" clause, because blind freddy can see it's not gonna wash.

Very simple - fix a date in November to fly to Cali (like you said you're happy to) and kick his ass behind closed doors, with several people filming it. He said he wants to fight you - just say "OK - I'll be there in November to kick your ass".

[Green Cloud]

This reminds of high school when one kid wants to fight another kid and they tell all their friends to show up at 3:00 behind the swings.

You see need to have lots of people around comes from insecurity. We balance our fear by having a crowd around to boost our ego and provide some hope of someone stoping it.

This is the type of thing real MA people avoid. My generation of CMA just conducted them selves differently. When it came to a duel we took it seriously but still conducted our selves in a respectful honorable fashion.

[htowndragon]

slightly OT

but

is it true that a fu jow pai guy got DQed during UFC prelims for tearing his oponents flesh?

[Mr Punch]

blind freddy can see it's not gonna wash.Who's Blind Freddy? Will he fight me to the death in a cage?

[Sekabin]

Who's Blind Freddy? Will he fight me to the death in a cage?

Is he the guy that appears in nightmares with long talons and a stripey jumper? If so, there's no way I'd fight *him* in the cage!:eek:

[Finny]

Who's Blind Freddy? Will he fight me to the death in a cage?

Only if you get down to 185. :D

[Royal Dragon]

Very simple - fix a date in November to fly to Cali (like you said you're happy to) and kick his ass behind closed doors, with several people filming it. He said he wants to fight you - just say "OK - I'll be there in November to kick your ass".

Reply]
Yes, well said. Stop with all the restrictions. Give Abel his time to fully heal, fight in November, and forget about the Pro fight crap. Just do it at the local MMA gym, or where ever it is Abel is teaching right now.

[David Jamieson]

well,

let's put our money where our mouths are.

You guys declare who your favourite charity is.
People bet on that and when their guy wins, they make a donation to the charity chosen.

I'm putting my money on Rudy Abel for a couple of reasons.

I've seen his clips and can see that his training would only need a few changes to fit into an mma venue which it will have to be because st doesn't have enough time to bring himself up to the level of fluidity and skill in fighting that abel has already demonstrated for us.

I've never seen anything of ST's and he's been an internet tough guy since the ralek days, so we'll see, but my hunch is Abel will school him mma or not.

as for knifefighter, I think we've seen footrage of him in the ring. But I'm not convinced he'd be up to snuff enough to handle Abel either.

in short, Rudy has shown some clips that display his stuff, the other two haven't and so that's what I gotr to go on.

so, Rudy, 50 bucks on your favourite charity if you win. :)

[Kristoffer]

are we there yet?
are we there yet?
are we there yet?

[Knifefighter]

Portuguese is similar enought to Spanish that I'd say with some confidence he is a black belt. The opening credits said ("Cinturon Negro") Black Belt in Brazilian JiuJitsu vs Black Belt in Shotokan Karate)

Sorry.... wrong again. Centurion Negro is the name of the street on which the school is located.

Black belt in Portuguese is Faxia Preta.

[MasterKiller]

Here is Sifu Abel's last X-Ray after his knee surgery:

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060522/ids_photos_sp/r3079804668.jpg;_ylt=ApibIPOGYMIBBVpEp6SrN0ADW7oF; _ylu=X3oDMTA4Y20zOW1jBHNlYwNtZXBo

[BruceSteveRoy]

i like the idea of donating winning to your favority charity. which leads me to my question. Anyway i could possibly qualify as the winners favorite charity? The sole purpose of the charity is to fulfill my personal dream of never having to work again. any takers?

[lkfmdc]

Sorry.... wrong again. Centurion Negro is the name of the street on which the school is located.

Black belt in Portuguese is Faxia Preta.

"street name" BJJ vs. "street name" Shotokan karate? doesnt' sound right. Plus, like I said, the place it happens is the BJJ guy's academy...

I'll ask someone who speaks it...

[unkokusai]

Here is Sifu Abel's last X-Ray after his knee surgery:

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060522/ids_photos_sp/r3079804668.jpg;_ylt=ApibIPOGYMIBBVpEp6SrN0ADW7oF; _ylu=X3oDMTA4Y20zOW1jBHNlYwNtZXBo


That was actually his brain scan.

[MasterKiller]

That was actually his brain scan.

Your mom goes to college.

[PangQuan]

just curious, DJ you spoke of video clips of Abel.

out of pure curiosity are these clips still available for viewing SifuAbel? if so, link pls.


thank you much.

[CaptinPickAxe]

The problem with scrapping the whole pro fight thing is that if it's not sanctioned, it can't be condoned here on KFM. Meeting up at a MMA school for some "Friendly sparring," has too big of a potential to turn into something else.

I think it should remain sanctioned. If it isn't, it has the possibility to become another excuse....

[David Jamieson]

just curious, DJ you spoke of video clips of Abel.

out of pure curiosity are these clips still available for viewing SifuAbel? if so, link pls.


thank you much.

They're around here somewhere. Me no likey the search engine here though, it i painful...more painful than an armbar at times. :p

[Shaolinlueb]

i dont feel like reading 10 pages, did this actually happen yet or is it going to happen?

[PangQuan]

i dont feel like reading 10 pages, did this actually happen yet or is it going to happen?

funny thing is, its still kinda new.

looking to be (if it happens) scheduled near the end of this year. post october.

[David Jamieson]

i dont feel like reading 10 pages, did this actually happen yet or is it going to happen?

me 2, tl/dnr but i really don't think it's happened. Though I do hope they consider the charity donations idea. I got 50 bucks that is burning a hole in my pocket until it goes to a hungry inner city kid somewhere.

Maybe I'll just send it to the CCF and when these guys do this, I'll have another 50 bucks by then.

[Shaolinlueb]

the kung fu magazine forum member charity fight! lol

knife fighter vs ray pina could be another one.

[Merryprankster]

Sigh...

Whatever else ST00 is, "internet" tough guy is not one of them. He's the real deal as far as skills - very solid - and very much WYSIWYG. He is EXACTLY the way in real life as he is on the internet. Some may find this difficult to handle; I find that sort of honesty refreshing.

I personally cannot say the same thing about me. The vid clips I have posted of my competitions in the past were actually of somebody else. I am, in fact, an overweight, pimply teenager with a "furry" anime fetish and hygiene problems.

Based on my own training w/ST00, if Abel wins (by something other than a 'lucky' shot) what it actually proves is that he is a good fighter, and the better man for however long that day.

And my use of "lucky" is not pejoritive. I could get lucky against Chuck Liddel in the first few seconds of a fight. It wouldn't tell us anything about my skill level or his. It's just one of those things that happens in fighting sometimes.

[SevenStar]

I haven't even trained in about 9 months. I'm thinking about starting back up soon. I went to a Judo club down here for a few months when I first got to Texas, and I think I'm gonna go back. I like Judo a lot, it suits me.


Cool. Keep us updated.

[Mr Punch]

and very much WYSIWYG. Who's WYSIWYG? And will he fight me to the death in a cage?

[Merryprankster]

What you see is what you get!

[Water Dragon]

Sigh...

Whatever else ST00 is, "internet" tough guy is not one of them.

All I know is he's one big, ugly mutha shut yo mouth.

[Merryprankster]

I never said he wasn't ugly.

[David Jamieson]

Sigh...

Whatever else ST00 is, "internet" tough guy is not one of them. He's the real deal as far as skills - very solid - and very much WYSIWYG. He is EXACTLY the way in real life as he is on the internet. Some may find this difficult to handle; I find that sort of honesty refreshing.

I personally cannot say the same thing about me. The vid clips I have posted of my competitions in the past were actually of somebody else. I am, in fact, an overweight, pimply teenager with a "furry" anime fetish and hygiene problems.

Based on my own training w/ST00, if Abel wins (by something other than a 'lucky' shot) what it actually proves is that he is a good fighter, and the better man for however long that day.

And my use of "lucky" is not pejoritive. I could get lucky against Chuck Liddel in the first few seconds of a fight. It wouldn't tell us anything about my skill level or his. It's just one of those things that happens in fighting sometimes.

jebas merry, sounds like you want to down him and brown him before he can throw you and blow you for cripes sake. :D

ST00 has been "internet tough guy" #6 around here for as long as I can remember. So maybe he's legit now, but simple fact is, throwing out challenges in internet forums = internet tough guy. If it happens it happens, if not, oh well, I'm still gonna send my donation to ccf and you can all have a group hug. Be naked if you like even. YOu know, all casual and relaxed. lol :rolleyes: :D

[Sekabin]

Who's WYSIWYG? And will he fight me to the death in a cage?

He's a character from Trumpton. And you bet he'll fight you to the death in a cage! :mad:

[ShaolinTiger00]

Attn Rudy:

I found an event that would LOVE to have us on the card!

Combat in the Cage 5: Marked Territory
September 30, 2006
Professional Mixed Martial Arts
Collins Arena
Brookdale College
765 Newman Springs Road, Lincroft NJ

We will be paid and while I understand you can use your pay to help offset any travel costs etc, I'd be more than happy to donate any $ to my charity of choice - The Special Olympics.

So here it is, a confirmed event in the time frame you agreed upon. Let's do it.



ST00 has been "internet tough guy" #6 around here for as long as I can remember. So maybe he's legit now,

I've always been legit. ;)

[David Jamieson]

The SO it is then! Good choice!

Abel, which charity is it for you?

and who else is gonna put up some money for these guy's charity picks?

Im down for 50 to the SO if ST triumphs and 50 for Abel's if he triumphs.

and you gotta post your receipt here when it's done otherwise you will be considered just a bag of gas for the duration of your stay here.

[ShaolinTiger00]

The SO it is then! Good choice!
and you gotta post your receipt here when it's done otherwise you will be considered just a bag of gas for the duration of your stay here.

Not a problem at all.

[MasterKiller]

I've always been legit. ;)

ST00's Ohio license plate:

2lgt2kwt

[ShaolinTiger00]

ST00's Ohio license plate:

2lgt2kwt


I'm old enough the not only understand that reference but to also know the hand signals.

*runs over to chess king to purchase hammer pants*

[brothernumber9]

maybe ST00lgt2kwt

oh too many letters/numbers

[Merryprankster]

YOu know, all casual and relaxed. lol
No way! The last time I got all casual and relaxed with ST00, I woke up, choking, as he zipped up his pants.

When I said "WTF did you do to me?!"

He grinned and screamed "YOU'LL NEVER KNOW!" and ran off cackling.

[David Jamieson]

hammer pants = rex kwon do

[lkfmdc]

I'm old enough the not only understand that reference but to also know the hand signals.

*runs over to chess king to purchase hammer pants*

oh please, I'm way older than even that, no one ever gets my references :mad:

I"l throw $5 into any pay pal fund to sent someone to fight...

[MasterKiller]

oh please, I'm way older than even that, no one ever gets my references :mad:

I"l throw $5 into any pay pal fund to sent someone to fight...

LKFMDC's NY license plate:

HIKARATE

[Ray Pina]

Very interesting thread .... read page 1 to 3 then jumped here expecting a cancellation.

Does everyone here really think someone who's never fought in a real competitive environment is now going to do so for the first time against someone with much more experience then them? Or, that they should?

SifuAbel, I respect what you're doing. God I do. But consider what your committing to. And if you feel it's the thing to do, you better bang all summer like you never banged before.

[hung-le]

I predict that this is going to end in a sweaty ball of Cuban style man luv.


lol...

Nice....you should be a poet...:D

[hung-le]

Very interesting thread .... read page 1 to 3 then jumped here expecting a cancellation.

Does everyone here really think someone who's never fought in a real competitive environment is now going to do so for the first time against someone with much more experience then them? Or, that they should?

SifuAbel, I respect what you're doing. God I do. But consider what your committing to. And if you feel it's the thing to do, you better bang all summer like you never banged before.



I agree....

If this guy has MMA experience he will have the advantage...However....there is nothing wrong with CMA...except that the fact most don't do MMA...San shou is (I feel a good substitute...except for the lack of mat work....if one does san shou and works the mat either learning submissions (ground chin-na or how to avoid them etc.. Then he/she should be fine in MMA events assuming one builds up experience in that type of venue......

It’s the lack of fighting someone in a venue that has few rules/limitations that makes MMA guys the bomb, not their arts that they practice....

It doesn't makes sense to compare a venue (MMA events) to a style/way of fighting like CMA..(Except maybe for pointing out that people of a certain art don’t compete in a mma venue and that they should participate to get a feel for it) I see many techniques that win in mma events that CMA employ. So what is all of the hula bub about?


It makes no sense to me to come to this site and slag CMA...I've stated it before....and i've stated the type of people that do this....

MMA is a highly competitive sport ... its not life or death fighting....yet its possess much of the same dynamics of a real fight ....

if I were still into CMA I would compeat in a few MMA events...I wouldn't go buck nutty...with it (unless I totally dug it...) but would still stick with a CMA....when I did CMA I loved it...that's why I did it....



Personally I don't see what Sifu Abel has to gain unless he's going to fight to gain experience and learn by participating in a MMA venue.....yet that's going to be hard to do when issues is clouded in animosity

[Shaolinlueb]

I agree....

If this guy has MMA experience he will have the advantage...However....there is nothing wrong with CMA...except that the fact most don't do MMA...San shou is (I feel a good substitute...except for the lack of mat work....if one does san shou and works the mat either learning submissions (ground chin-na or how to avoid them etc.. Then he/she should be fine in MMA events assuming one builds up experience in that type of venue......

It’s the lack of fighting someone in a venue that has few rules/limitations that makes MMA guys the bomb, not their arts that they practice....

It doesn't makes sense to compare a venue (MMA events) to a style/way of fighting like CMA..(Except maybe for pointing out that people of a certain art don’t compete in a mma venue and that they should participate to get a feel for it) I see many techniques that win in mma events that CMA employ. So what is all of the hula bub about?


It makes no sense to me to come to this site and slag CMA...I've stated it before....and i've stated the type of people that do this....

MMA is a highly competitive sport ... its not life or death fighting....yet its possess much of the same dynamics of a real fight ....

if I were still into CMA I would compeat in a few MMA events...I wouldn't go buck nutty...with it (unless I totally dug it...) but would still stick with a CMA....when I did CMA I loved it...that's why I did it....



Personally I don't see what Sifu Abel has to gain unless he's going to fight to gain experience and learn by participating in a MMA venue.....yet that's going to be hard to do when issues is clouded in animosity

you have jsut ben added to the cma haters list.
he has mma experience he has the advantage :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

ugh.....

[ShaolinTiger00]

I love how you CMA douchebags ride Rudy's jock, yet put him down in the same sentence.

Yes, my dear God I am a fighter. I compete in as many formats as I can find, but I absolutely prefer MMA as it's the most realistic fighting format allowed.

Rudy has said that he fights and trains and he's the real deal in CMA. I asked him to put it on the line and he accepted.

So how is he some great disadvantage coming from CMA? He can kick, punch, elbow, knee, grab, throw, etc. Certainly more than he could in a koushu or san da format.

[Shaolinlueb]

omfg im not riding anyones ****. i hate riding ****. i like riding vagina.

your a fighter yada yada. lets see this go down.

im hoping someone gets punched in the throat.

[hung-le]

whatever.....you people are wacked.......:eek:

[David Jamieson]

cma douchebag?

that's a little harsh isn't it you halfwit nuthugging mma grease ball.


:p :D

[Hard Fists]

Yeah, who you callin douchebag nimblenuts.

[CaptinPickAxe]

there are tons of fan boys on here that are CMA nut-riding douche bags. And if you take offense to this comment, then I'm talking to you. A gaggle of kids/grown up kids who have watched too many Jackie Chan/Jet Li/Bruce Lee flicks and think that they can Qi blast their way through scores of bullies. On the opposite hand, they are outweighed by people with intresting concepts, a knowledge of fighting (no matter how different), and the intellegence to take criticims with a grain of salt.

[Hard Fists]

Here's a criticism: I think the only douchebags around here are ones that come on a Chinese Martial Art forum and talk Sh!t about CMA-like it's not going to cause a stir. So what if people only want to train forms and not fight...who the Fuk cares. Yeah, I'm a fan of Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan, big deal. Does that mean that I'm not a "real fighter". Who cares? I work behind a desk everyday.

I grew up fighting, but have only trained for real for a few years. In fact, I fought a lot more before I had any formal training---so what? It doesn't matter. If this is really a personal issue, than perhaps it should have been taken care of in an ADULT fashion...in private. The fact is that it is out in the open, which makes it up for discussion. If I have a problem with someone, I am going to take care of it without putting it out there for public opinion. Little fan boy? I am not sure that anyone is really taking offense to the comments said on KFM.com, if they are then maybe the root of the problem is thier own self confidence. I don't have that problem-I know I can fight, and I train TCMA. Now because I said that are people going to talk sh!t? Who cares? Its the internet. If the guy wants to fight, fight. If not, let it be. Who really cares? If people want to call people out to professional MMA fights, why not try an MMA discussion forum, !@#$@ss?

If you take offense to anything said here, you are not intelligent-try taking it with a grain of salt.

[hung-le]

Hard fist..................

Dude I’m saying the same things you are….(by the way ….love douchebag great verbiage….lol…) check my posts in the absurd “Why CMA Doesn’t win the UFC”

It’s the same pattern over and over…Some guy with a name like “Choke U Out” Juji Gatame” “Gun U down” “Pig sticker” etc…etc….comes to this internet news group and trashes CMA…

There can be only two reasons…..

A) They’re trying to get their nut off lording over this CMA news group. I.e. “Power boasting” about MMA experience….i.e. trolling….

Or

B) They are full of BS and are scared to hang out at MMA site where real mma guys hang…..

Cause it makes no sense to post up over a thousand times on a kung fu news group talking trash…about CMA and mostly posting about MMA .....picking fights with people....

Ok I can see popping in talking trash for a few times then moving on….or even posting some goofy crap once and a while…….but…there is about six guys here that have set up shop here (with over a thousand posts to their name….little to do with CMA… ….and always talking MMA ……) I like the idea of calling them out and putting their names in a CMA hater’s club…seems fine…and legit

Ever notice it’s always the same vent too….”Oh you don’t like what I have to say about CMA?…Let’s fight!………Balls,,,,,,!


Ok, I can see explaining to someone into CMA that you should check out MMA ….but again!!!!!!!! most of the guys I’m talking about have 1000+ post to their name all with a bent on shagging CMA…

Got to ask the people who run the new group…..”What’s up ? Put down the hot mops and quit playing grab azz and ask yourselves what really are the intentions of these six or seven guys, sure they don’t break the rules…but…what’s their overall effect on this news group……. admittedly, I am not into CMA as much as I use too …(I have another calling… ) but I don’t come to this news group and shag CMA…….I respect the people who do CMA…..

I think if you are into CMA you should support Sifu Able or anyone who stands up to the six or seven guys that I’m referring too…. However, I don’t think there is a lot to gain in participating in challenge matches….or trash talk about it….. everyone should laugh at it and make fun of them.....

Honestly, MMA should breed honest and honorable characters (I imagine it takes major hard work and dedication to do MMA) If these five or six yahoos are any indication of the type of person involved in MMA…..if I were thinking of participating in MMA I would think twice before acting.....

[Hard Fists]

Honestly, MMA should breed honest and honorable characters (I imagine it takes major hard work and dedication to do MMA) If these five or six yahoos are any indication of the type of person involved in MMA…..if I were thinking of participating in MMA I would think twice before acting.....

You know that is the sad part. I came up watching UFC just like the next guy. Gracie is the reason that I messed around in judo and jujitsu as a teenager. I loved that stuff. I still like MMA matches, I think they're great. I also know a lot of full contact mixed martial arts fighters. Sure, when we hang out we are all a little more testosterone heavy than the average group of males our age, but nobody goes around picking fights with people because they train different martial arts. I admit that when i drink with these buddies someone usually ends up on the floor in a submission, but it is all in fun we don't really fight each other. It is not about who is the best or what style is the best. We train the way we like to train. All the MMA guys I know are pretty cool, and they respect TMA and would not waste their time coming to a forum like this to start fights with people they think they can beat.

[hung-le]

You know it!

I haven't listed the names of these guys I 'm talking about.......but by saying "Pig sticker" juji gatame" "Gun U down" "Choke U out"
Mary the Clown" " etc...etc....

You know who I'm talking about......

[David Jamieson]

I came up watching UFC just like the next guy

:eek: wow, you make me feel old!

I came up watching Muhammed Ali, Norton, Foreman, and the likes.

The karate circuit was obscure but now and then you'd hear about Bill Wallace or Benny Urquidez if you read the old mA rags they had in those days...which were few and far between really.

ufc is pretty young though. and it's awkwardness and immaturity still show a bit. It will be nice to see what it becomes in 20 more years.

[Pork Chop]

I hope you're not referring to me with the "Pig Sticker" comment. I was on this site since 98 or 99, posting as a kung fu guy. I trained kung fu for years under some pretty decent schools, starting back around 94. If you're Hung Ga from NYC then we definitely know mutual people.

I used to be all anti-MMA. I was heavily involved in some of the original CMA vs MMA threads on this board. The more I got into ring sports like sanshou, sanda, boxing, and muay thai, the more i really started to like it & the more I understood where the sport guys were coming from.

For years and years I thought I would eventually be able to fight, just as soon as sifu said I was 'good enough'. Eventually I started gleaming from conversations with my different sifus through the years that "some day" would never come. It was never in sifu's best interest for me to fight. Lion dancing & cma tournaments were all that they cared about.

I know for a fact that CMA's not useless; my main point is that most schools I've seen don't have fighting as a priority. There are schools out there that train to really use their stuff- in the ring or in the street. But there are other schools that are never going to get there if they stay so obsessed on learning an astronomical number of forms, overly cooperative partner drills, and fancy silk pjs.

Sport fighting is the safest way to get fight experience; however 'watered down' or 'restricted' it may be. The fact of the matter is that experience makes you better. Legitimate sport fighting is much better experience and even much SAFER than your run-of-the-mill continuous sparring division. I've worked behind the scenes at numerous events in both sport fighting & cma tournaments over a span of years and can say that with some authority- the worst injuries came from "medium" contact with the double-standard ruleset and that cr@p safety gear (no offense Gene).

[yenhoi]

hooray beer

:eek:

[BruceSteveRoy]

man rubber necking this car wreck of a thread is getting tiresome. what i was wondering is if there has been a response from sifu abel since ST00 found a venue. i'm so ambivalent about whether the fight ever takes place honestly. but i feel like i have been following this for too long to not see a response. even if he says no he won't fight thats ok by me. but don't leave me in suspense. its like being stuck in an hour of stand still traffic and when it picks back up there is nothing there to see that would explain it. (o g-d living in the MD beltway is getting to me. my metaphors are all becoming traffic related).

[Pork Chop]

BTW- ALL those guys you mention have AS MANY or MORE posts on the MMA forums. They're also a lot nicer and more open minded in person. Hard to tell when they're just messing around to be antagonistic if you don't know 'em.

[Pork Chop]

(o g-d living in the MD beltway is getting to me. my metaphors are all becoming traffic related).

That's why I left. :D

[hung-le]

No, Pork chop I wasn't referring to you.....

It's got nothing to do with what you talked about...

It's got nothing to do with how well of a fighter you are...

I'm talking about coming to a news group like this...and denouncing, CMA and never saying anything good it…. it could be NASCAR…anything…

Why come to a news group if you have nothing in common with it? Unless you are trolling…or looking to get you Internet ego stroked…. I’ve seen these five or six guys that I’m talking about run people off this news group…what a joke….

My two favorite things I see them do ( that I think are BS) is to go back into your post and try to pull statements and use them against you…lol……


Or even better use some poor saps statement out of context below there posts…

Dude if you’re coming to this news group and the majority of your post are either vids of stupid pet tricks or always bent on shagging with people who do CMA then I’m talking about you…

Do you do that?……I don’t know….what would I find if a pulled up your posts?

[Pork Chop]

Do you do that?……I don’t know….what would I find if a pulled up your posts?

A sailboat, an ocean, and even a couple of mermaids doing some of that lesbian sh!t.

[hung-le]

that's cool ...now we are talking.....

I'm always down with some hot mermaids doing some lesbian action!

[Hard Fists]

:eek: wow, you make me feel old!

The karate circuit was obscure but now and then you'd hear about Bill Wallace or Benny Urquidez if you read the old mA rags they had in those days...which were few and far between really.


You got a few on me, but I think I'm still old at 30. I would loved to see the Benny the Jet in his hayday...the old clips of him are pretty good. I also would have given anything to see Ali fight...I was born a few years too late for that.

I think I started watching the UFC around UFC II.

As for the traffic around DC, it's not that bad if you know all the tricks...unless you have to take 495.

[Hard Fists]

A sailboat, an ocean, and even a couple of mermaids doing some of that lesbian sh!t.

Smells fishy.

[TonyM.]

FYI. 495 is now known as the fruit loop.

[Hard Fists]

No, Dupont Circle is know as the fruit loop....not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Jingwu Man]

The UFC and MMA are exciting sports, and really the most realistic fighting you can do in a venue today. They work out all the time, and their skills are honed to excellence. Those guys train hard and are good at the things they do. I respect people who have a passion and train hard to get good at it.
That being said, why is there an impression that TCM is no good for fighting?
That is all it is. I suppose different people train for different things, or you may get stuck in a school that is not geared towards fighting, but real gongfu is a nasty, brutally effective method of self defence. It has literally saved my life and my skin on a few occasions.
Don't judge an art or style based on experiences with a few people, either MMA or Gongfu, because that is usually the exception, not the rule.

"Can't we all just get along?" .... or train together?

[PangQuan]

i agree.

saying tcma, or cma as a whole is bad, based on a FEW experiences, is the same as saying all white men are slave owners...

a very poor mindset to work off of.

[lkfmdc]

Any progress in this fight being made? I'm set to fight again in July now, will I fight first?

[brothernumber9]

what's that old man?

What, you got thes 40 and over types motivating you?

good luck, and I mean that with sincerity not sarcasm.

a little bit like a Date' Eije but with a bit of a rounder face. I think only Sevenstar will get that one.

[David Jamieson]

mo money, mo problems

ask and yee shall receive

etc

[omarthefish]

I love how you CMA douchebags ride Rudy's jock, yet put him down in the same sentence.

Yes, my dear God I am a fighter. I compete in as many formats as I can find, but I absolutely prefer MMA as it's the most realistic fighting format allowed.

Rudy has said that he fights and trains and he's the real deal in CMA. I asked him to put it on the line and he accepted.

So how is he some great disadvantage coming from CMA? He can kick, punch, elbow, knee, grab, throw, etc. Certainly more than he could in a koushu or san da format.

Loving how ST is giving more respect that half the people "supporting" Sifu Abel. lol

p.s.

Kick his ass Rudy!

[unkokusai]

Kick his ass Rudy!


He'd better have long legs, 'cause he ain't gonna get within a hundred miles of him!

[MyDrills]

Calling Sifu Ael and ST

please do provide the data so we can all see the 'Tale of the Tape' :)


Height?
Weight?
Age?
Style?

MMA record if any?
Other strong points?


Cmon you guys, this can be more exciting to see

[unkokusai]

Sifu ***** chumped out right quick on this one. :rolleyes:

[CaptinPickAxe]

I grew up fighting, but have only trained for real for a few years. In fact, I fought a lot more before I had any formal training---so what? It doesn't matter. If this is really a personal issue, than perhaps it should have been taken care of in an ADULT fashion...in private. The fact is that it is out in the open, which makes it up for discussion. If I have a problem with someone, I am going to take care of it without putting it out there for public opinion. Little fan boy? I am not sure that anyone is really taking offense to the comments said on KFM.com, if they are then maybe the root of the problem is thier own self confidence. I don't have that problem-I know I can fight, and I train TCMA. Now because I said that are people going to talk sh!t? Who cares? Its the internet. If the guy wants to fight, fight. If not, let it be. Who really cares? If people want to call people out to professional MMA fights, why not try an MMA discussion forum, !@#$@ss?

If you take offense to anything said here, you are not intelligent-try taking it with a grain of salt.

I guess your one of the blow-hard kung fu dancers that fits the bill to the T. Let's get down to brass tacks here, man. I don't like to stir up trouble around here however I'm never afraid to speak My mind. You can be as xenophobic as you like, but most people around here are seeking insight on fighting. I'm sorry your self-inflicted limitations only allow you to speak form work. 'Cause pal you just don't know what your missing. Why don't you take up Salsa dancing becuase w/o proper training that's all you'll ever be good for. Let's hope if you ever get into something that you're dealing with some "You Got Served" punks and your cool poses that mimic a crane during mating season will get you off with out having to throw hands. Never touched hands? Doubt you'll ever throw hands.

Now go sit in Horse stance, you tool.

[CaptinPickAxe]

BTW I never said CMA doesn't work...

It's just most McDojos don't know how to train. I hope I don't come off too cliche or Chop Socky, but it's the warrior not the weapon. I train Shuai Chiao (a CMA) so don't think I'm biased towards MT, BJJ, and Judo. I'm MMA, but with CMA in it.

Again...you stick to your dead forms with flowery kicks. I'll actually do something with my CMA, chump.

[Hard Fists]

Are people actually still posting on this thread? I thought this discussion was over. Well it should be. I'll respond just once Captin, because I am so very bored this morning at work.

You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to who trains to fight or what different styles train. You are the one with a closed mind. As for me personally, I've been fighting since you've been in grade school. As for the style that I have the privilege to study, we do practice forms, we fight too. Hung Fut is an extremely economic fighting style, ask around. You should do some research before you go around talking trash like everything you're not interested in is an MCDojo. Your really showing your immaturity that way. If you have questions about my style do some research and find out for yourself. The fighting methods that you see on tv are not all that is out there.

Yes, I don't like being called a douche bag, and I think that while people should speak THEIR opinion, they should also think before they speak. But I also think that people on a CMA forum should not have to listen to people talk trash about CMAs.

And if someone wants to train exhibition wushu...all power to them. Who cares? Nobody trains to impress people like you.

[BruceSteveRoy]

capt pickaxe, i think you are working off a very poor assumption. you say that you are only talking about the mcdojo schools but you are lashing out at a dude that is a student at a school that has an excellent sparring program. I have trained at a couple of schools and while i can't speak for all schools i will say in my opinion ours is pretty intense and more importantly teaches a very realistic and strong method of fighting. just because it also teaches forms don't assume its a school solely driven by them. as far as arguing on the internet i think its kind of silly to take anything too seriously. that doesn't mean its cool to go around calling people douchebags. and though you are protected by the right to say whatever you want i don't see what insulting people accomplishes. that goes to lots of people not just you. there is a certain level of civility that we can maintain and still convey our opinions.
regards,
~steve

[Mr Punch]

I'm down for some of that lesbian mermaid action.

Somehow I have the feeling it's more likely to happen than this fight.

[CaptinPickAxe]

Are people actually still posting on this thread? I thought this discussion was over. Well it should be. I'll respond just once Captin, because I am so very bored this morning at work.

You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to who trains to fight or what different styles train. You are the one with a closed mind. As for me personally, I've been fighting since you've been in grade school. As for the style that I have the privilege to study, we do practice forms, we fight too. Hung Fut is an extremely economic fighting style, ask around. You should do some research before you go around talking trash like everything you're not interested in is an MCDojo. Your really showing your immaturity that way. If you have questions about my style do some research and find out for yourself. The fighting methods that you see on tv are not all that is out there.

Yes, I don't like being called a douche bag, and I think that while people should speak THEIR opinion, they should also think before they speak. But I also think that people on a CMA forum should not have to listen to people talk trash about CMAs.

And if someone wants to train exhibition wushu...all power to them. Who cares? Nobody trains to impress people like you.

I love how you come off so High and Mighty like you didn't say anything to get back at me. If it doesn't include you then stay the fukk out of it. You must fit the bill somewhat to be so affected by it. You look like an ass with how much you assume about me. You know about as much about me as I do you, but you seem to think you got me down packed. You ASSUMED I was a MMA meat head...wrong. You ASSUMED I was calling YOU a douchebag....thanks for proving me right. I can smell the **** on your breath from the cheerios you ate this morning. Fact is we can only assume about each other because we haven't put it out there yet. However, I'm not the type to go around putting challenges out on the net, but I assure you. I am very easy to get a hold of if you really want to. And I'm more than down to trade ideas or blows.

So, I guess I should be thanking you for, "Gracing me with your time, your exulted one. Your response aligns worlds and moves earth.":rolleyes:

Save your breath for cooling your soup.

[Hard Fists]

Calm down tough guy. Did I make you upset? Perhaps you should take things that people say online with a grain of salt. I didn't eat cheerios this morning for breakfast, actually I had two cups of coffee and a banana. As for mindin' my business...this is AN INTERNET FORUM I simply replied to an assinine comment. I'm not high and mighty, and I don't try to act in that way. I'm just not an imbecile. If you really want to continue this conversation...if it means that much to you...PM me, I have unsubscribed to this thread...it is a bit ridiculus. From this post on, you'll just be talking to yourself. I am not assalting you in any way. I am just speaking MY mind. And IMO you should really use better judgement when speaking ill of people whom you have not met-you may be suprised at what you find.

[CaptinPickAxe]

Don't give yourself too much credit, chum. The only one wound up is you. I find it humorous that you defend fan boy, XMA dancers.

Birds of a feather...

But this is just an internet forum...maybe you should take what I say with a grain of salt. Then maybe your panties will fit comfortably.;)

[Green Cloud]

Calm down tough guy. Did I make you upset? Perhaps you should take things that people say online with a grain of salt. I didn't eat cheerios this morning for breakfast, actually I had two cups of coffee and a banana. As for mindin' my business...this is AN INTERNET FORUM I simply replied to an assinine comment. I'm not high and mighty, and I don't try to act in that way. I'm just not an imbecile. If you really want to continue this conversation...if it means that much to you...PM me, I have unsubscribed to this thread...it is a bit ridiculus. From this post on, you'll just be talking to yourself. I am not assalting you in any way. I am just speaking MY mind. And IMO you should really use better judgement when speaking ill of people whom you have not met-you may be suprised at what you find.

I second that, this is a stupid thread

[svenfeynord]

So there was no fight? Who pansied out, was it able or the other guy?

[Lama Pai Sifu]

I third that, my brother! Holy sheet! This is the dumbest craap I've ever seen. What a joke.

[Shaolinlueb]

come on if this was ancient china how would this end up?

one there would be a throw down request then there would be 30-60 minutes of argueing and it would disperse.

[CaptinPickAxe]

I stand by what I say till the death. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm eating crow with a side of foot.

What it boils down to is this:
It's all in how you train. You can train anything, as long as you train to fight. Yes, the dead horse is being blugeoned, but some people can't seem to grasp the gist of what I'm saying. I'm not bad mouthing CMA.... I'm bad mouthing form collectors who can't decipher application from fancy dancing. If your looking for a work out, then do a cycling class, pilates, or lift. Don't use MA as a tool for ego thinking since you go to class 3 nights a week and practice kata and non-resisting application that you know how to fight. YOU DON'T! The only way is to train, train, train or maybe you were blessed with the upbringing to be a good fighter. Fact is this, and it's redundant, if you don't fight a resisting oponent in training than chances are you aren't gonna remember what you were taught in the ring, on t3h S7R3375, or anywhere else but in concept and converstation.

[Green Cloud]

Captain Pick ax:confused: Youre frothing at the mouth, read the thread over again. Sifu Abe accepted the chalenge but Shaolin Tiger wanted to put a pay per view event together witch created imposible terms.

Kung Fu people when challenged usually just close the doors and fight Mono E Mono.

None the less this thread is about ego and self promotion. The fact is that most of you guys don't live in the same states much less the same country.

Chalenging some one on a forum is just a plain waste of time, it just never pans out.

Most of us have jobs and family to think of, we don't have the time to chase people around the country to fight no name mo fos that nobody cares about.

greencloud.net

[ShaolinTiger00]

Sifu Abe accepted the chalenge but Shaolin Tiger wanted to put a pay per view event together witch created imposible terms.


What the hell are you talking about?:confused: PPV?:confused: "Impossible terms?:confused:

[PangQuan]

so what page did it say this thing wasnt happening?

Im expecting to watch a fight sometime this winter...right?

[Green Cloud]

What the hell are you talking about?:confused: PPV?:confused: "Impossible terms?:confused:


You know what time it is! Are you to tell me that people could come and watch this fight without paying a spectators fee. Instead of just meeting up and fighting no we got rules regulations making weight and all that.

Please you know your way makes it not worth the trouble.

[svenfeynord]

Why don't you just videotape it and sell it. Isn't that pay per view? I just want to see one of you get your ass kicked.

[Shaolinlueb]

You know what time it is! Are you to tell me that people could come and watch this fight without paying a spectators fee. Instead of just meeting up and fighting no we got rules regulations making weight and all that.

Please you know your way makes it not worth the trouble.


i think they should go to the local walmart and throwdown there.

[David Jamieson]

come on if this was ancient china how would this end up?

one there would be a throw down request then there would be 30-60 minutes of argueing and it would disperse.

:p lol (god da_mnit stupid frifggin ten character limit!)

[Mr Punch]

So, what's the deal with this. The mating walrus roaring seems to have stopped.

[SifuAbel]

I've been away for a while. Miami was fun. Its a ways away to Nov. Thast when I'll be ready. Thats when we will have our duel. Talking about it now is a useless task.

[ShaolinTiger00]

Its a ways away to Nov. Thast when I'll be ready. Thats when we will have our duel. Talking about it now is a useless task.

No talking about this right now is very important because you've evaded a very direct question on several tries now.

I said:
*READ THIS LOUD AND CLEAR*

I would love to fight you in a pro MMA event. Let's set up something for this summer or early fall. I can fight at 205 or 185. I know dozens of promoters who can make this happen. east coast, west coast, mid west.

Put up or STFU once and for all.

and you're reply was:

You got it. Get ready for the fight of(for) your life. Sep. or Oct. would be good for me.

Can you get us on TV?

What is your reason for trying to change the date now? If you're backpeddling why would you accept it in the first place?

This is the second time I've asked you these same questions (see page 6.)

You alluded to knee surgery. What kind of surgery was it? When did you have it?There are many times and many different rehab timetables. (btw You really wanna fight with a bum knee huh? *shrug*) and if you "needed" this extra time, Why would you AGREE to fighting in "this summer or early fall."?

You are a backpeddling liar now! You made an agreement and are now backing out!

I found a guaranteed event that will have us! Sept 30, exactly within the timeframe agreed upon!

Either accept to fight or admit that you're talking **** and have no intention of backing it up.

[SifuAbel]

Hey Uncle Fester,

You just worry about getting that fat ass into shape. Hint: at 205 I don't have a motorcycle tire hanging around my waist. Heck, I'm 215 now and I don't have it. See ya in Nov. :rolleyes:

[TonyM.]

St. You stink. I saw the tape. You really need to shut up now.

[Green Cloud]

Hey Uncle Fester,

You just worry about getting that fat ass into shape. Hint: at 205 I don't have a motorcycle tire hanging around my waist. Heck, I'm 215 now and I don't have it. See ya in Nov. :rolleyes:


I'm not taking sides but that was funny, I was thinking it but I wasn't going to say it.:D

[SevenStar]

St. You stink. I saw the tape. You really need to shut up now.

It's easy to talk when you aren't doing the fighting...

[ShaolinTiger00]

Hey Uncle Fester,

You just worry about getting that fat ass into shape. Hint: at 205 I don't have a motorcycle tire hanging around my waist. Heck, I'm 215 now and I don't have it. See ya in Nov. :rolleyes:

Childish remarks regarding physical appearances but yet refuses to answer the question!

You're spineless.



St. You stink. I saw the tape. You really need to shut up now.

internet warrior..

[David Jamieson]

my money is still on abel.

st00, you issued the challenge, the venue is more or less agreed upon and now you have to shut up and be patient. So wait til November to do it. What's the rush? Let the guy get ready and stfu for now.

[WinterPalm]

There was a great clip of SifuAbel doing some good contact sparring. I'm placing my money on him based on what I've seen of both men.

[PangQuan]

i missed that, what page is that posted on?

[David Jamieson]

i missed that, what page is that posted on?

i think you can see it in the video thread if you sift through.
For some reason, I thought he had it in his signature for a while.
But I agree with winterpalm that it was an excellent demonstration of using the style he chose as a fighting method.

the mma stuff is typical mma stuff. Good effort and I wouldn't take away one ounce of appreciation of what it is for what it is.

[PangQuan]

i think you can see it in the video thread if you sift through.

isnt this one of the requirements for reaching one of the lower levels of h3LL?

anyone have an easy link for an click lazy b@stard?

[David Jamieson]

isnt this one of the requirements for reaching one of the lower levels of h3LL?

anyone have an easy link for an click lazy b@stard?
what's that? let someone do that work for you?

No kungfu there!

lol

[PangQuan]

hey, its deligation-fu.

[David Jamieson]

sure, on your end, but to the person who fishes out the thread, they are relegated to being your lackey. lol

[PangQuan]

if they dont mind, neither do i :p

[PangQuan]

ok dave...i found it, but the link sends me to a earthlink site and it says the page requested cannot be found.


so it seems the link is bad now...

[SevenStar]

wasn't that clip like a sparring session with a student or something?