Internal CLF!

[VStanmore]

For those interested in the internal aspects of CLF, here is a link to a website:http://www.chikung.es/html_uk/luohan_marts.html

Here is another link to an article of internal CLF forms:http://www.tai-chi-centre.com/lohan.htm


Some good health and vitality building internal training, and some advanced internal martial art, together with superb body conditioning and training with the various wooden dummies make a very good martial art system.
Whe you think about it, some of the dummies like the breaking hand and horse dummy sought of have an in-built self- regulating system that automatically caters for it user! Why? Well the harder and faster you attack the dummy, the harder and faster the dummy will counter attack you which not only reminds you, but FORCES you to stay alert and react quickly , and maybe more powerfully if you are to block eg. a fast swinging wooden arm etc.

Anyone have more info on the internal aspects of clf?

[VStanmore]

Jarm jong is also another internal training method. I have noted mention of the ng ying or five animals jarm jong system in clf.
Anyone with more info on them?

[VStanmore]

EJ,
I'm wondering whether you could elaborate on how the 8 trigrams relate to the 8 bagua forms?

Anyway, if I understand right, CLF can be approached initially from 2 pathways. That of the kung fu side and that of the internal qigong side. The internal training builds up a healthy and vigorous body which will benefit the health in general and also lay a foundation for the kung fu training. However, one need not pursue kung fu as well.
But for the kung fu side, the practitioner's training would be incomplete without the internal aspects. Like yin and yang, its better to have a balance.

Hope you can elaborate some EJ.

Thanks.

[extrajoseph]

Hi VS,

In CLF we try to be civil as well as martial, that is to train the mind as well as the body, so traditionally we do lian kuen (kung fu) and lian kong (qigong) at the same time.

This internal and external subdivision is only a recent phenomenon, there is no such subdivision in the old schools because our body and mind are one. The external cannot exist without the internal and vice versa.

Therefore the Bagua training in CLF involve both lian kuen and lian kong as well and that is why you see the Bagua diagram on the floor, it is for lian kong.

For me, my favorite is the Bagua Sum because it is at the heart of the system and involves both the external and internal training in the form.

Being oldish I don't do the whole form any more but have taken bits and pieces to work with it each day. So you would say I do more lian kong than lian kuen these days.

EJ

[VStanmore]

This link provides some nice diagrams concerning the principles of some clf internal training.

http://www.chikung.es/html_uk/Luohan_schemes.html

Chinese medicine perspective as well as western medicine/anatomy and physiology!

[VStanmore]

Hi VS,

In CLF we try to be civil as well as martial, that is to train the mind as well as the body, so traditionally we do lian kuen (kung fu) and lian kong (qigong) at the same time.

This internal and external subdivision is only a recent phenomenon, there is no such subdivision in the old schools because our body and mind are one. The external cannot exist without the internal and vice versa.

Therefore the Bagua training in CLF involve both lian kuen and lian kong as well and that is why you see the Bagua diagram on the floor, it is for lian kong.

For me, my favorite is the Bagua Sum because it is at the heart of the system and involves both the external and internal training in the form.

Being oldish I don't do the whole form any more but have taken bits and pieces to work with it each day. So you would say I do more lian kong than lian kuen these days.

EJ

Hi EJ,
Thanks for the information. I know the bagua sum but unfortunately I don't know enough about the other bagua forms to decide whether it is my favourite.
If you have the time, could you briefly mention what the characteristics of some of the other bagua forms are like?
I like the multitude of bagua forms, very complete philosophically one form for each of the 8 trigrams, and a central form at the heart of the system!
Wasn't about 8 of the forms were present around about the time of chan heung? If so, then how come jeong yim's line don't have them if he was founder of clf or taught chan heung as that guy tries to claim ?:D :D

[VStanmore]

Hey EJ,
There is some pictures of the 18 luohan hands in this link:

http://www.chikung.es/html_uk/uk_luotechnical.html

[extrajoseph]

Thanks for the leads, they are all pretty good stuff. I really like these CLF demo in Poland.

Regards,

EJ

[VStanmore]

I took the following from the clfma.com website:

Lohan Qigong exercises include:

1) Stick exercise
2) Breathing exercise
3) Unicorn Hands
4) Standing postures
5) Walking exercise
6) Medical theories
7) Bak Gwa Kung Fu

Lohan Qigong forms include:

1) Sap Ba Lohan Kuen
2) Siu Lohan Kuen
3) Dai Lohan Kuen
4) Tai Git Kuen
5) Mo Git Kuen

Further study includes:

1) Ng Wan Lok Hei Bak Gwa Kung
2) Geo Kung Ngnoi Ga Kung
3) Geo Kung JONG FA
4) Stick Jong Kung

Anyone with info on other aspects of the internal clf curriculum that is not covered by the previous links and articles? For example, what are the ng wan lok hei bak gwa kung, the geo kung ngnoi ga kung, etc. ?

[VStanmore]

The Bak Gwa kung fu and the ng wan lok hei bak gwa kung 2 different types of bak gwa kung?

Anyone care to elaborate?

[extrajoseph]

Some of these stuff even my father and my uncle didn't tell me, Chen Yong Fa is taking a big risk in openning up all his family's inner chamber secrets to the rest of the world. Well that's his perocative.

[VStanmore]

EJ,
I think in our generation, although we don't get to see some of our predecessors perform, we are well off in a way if we can get access to these deep inner chamber secrets that sifu chen is willing to open up.
Like I think I said before, better to dig for these treasures than try to re-invent the wheel. Imagine what effort it will take to re-invent the meridian theories, breathing exercises etc. etc. Why try to re-invent the wheel when we can access the foundation built for us by our predecessors?
Standing on the shoulders of giants allow us to see far!

But of course, the ignorant may choose to make up things as they please and ramble ramble!:D

[JAZA]

Ng Wan Lok Hei Bak Gwa Kung is the exercise with the balls of different colors based on the bakgwa and pentagram diagrams.
There is a VCD of Master Chen

[VStanmore]

Took this brief intro from a CLF website:

Lohan Qigong is the ancient healing exercise created by Da Mo (Bodhidharma), the founder of Chan (Zen) Buddhism 1500 years ago. This gentle exercise is relaxing and energising at the same time, with each set of movements designed to activate and cleanse the dan tiens and particular acupuncture meridians.

This exercise was a precious secret kept within the Shaolin temple until its sacking and massacre of its inhabitants about 200 years ago. The monk Choy Fook, one of the few survivors, fled south to Guangdong province, and was sought out by Chan Heung who became his disciple. Chan Heung mastered the whole system of Shaolin kung fu including the Qigong exercises and medical knowledge; which has then been passed from generation to generation through his family.


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There are four Lohan Qigong sets forming a comprehensive system of progressively more advanced techniques towards gaining complete mastery of ones Qi, or vital energy.


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Our Sifu - Jerng Mun, Chen, Yong Fa is the great great grandson of Chan Heung and the present custodian of Choy Lee Fut kung fu, including, until now, the secret Lohan Qigong exercises. There are four Lohan Qigong sets forming a comprehensive system of progressively more advanced techniques towards gaining complete mastery of ones qi, or vital energy. Master Chen is also a practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine, specialising in zheng gu, (bone setting).

Master Chen is the sole inheritor of this ancient traditional health system - the Shaolin Lohan Qigong, which are the internal health exercises of the Choy Lee Fut system of martial arts.

[VStanmore]

I think the 3 daan tians referred to are the upper daantian, middle daantian and lower daan tian.
Anyone know how they relate to the triple warmer of chinese medicine?

[JAZA]

V
I think you already know of it, my friend:D

san jiao, san dan tien, san men with proper breathing are the base of CLF qigong

[dougadam]

What does Internal CLF stand for?

[hskwarrior]

I have a question for anyone to answer with the right answer.

Where does the Chan Family Qigong come from?
Did it come from Choy Fook?

In each Qigong form, was it something passed down from Choy Fook, or did Chan Heung Change some things around?

[VStanmore]

What does Internal CLF stand for?

Internal Choy Lee Fut.

[chasincharpchui]

Is there risk that frauds and fakes will make up stuff and call it what chen yong fa reveals, and then teach and mislead or deceive others?

Especially with people like hskwarrior who think he can so easily make up stuff, and his attitude towards making up stuff he doesn't have in his lineage?

who is to say chen yong fa or EJ aint making it up? to better market their traditional CLF on dvd

traditional clf dummy forms.
internal clf.
clf Qigong.
traditional clf animal forms.
clf drunken forms.
clf grappling forms.
clf nei lim sou.
traditional 18 clf characters
traditional clf kuen pos.
traditional chinese medicine component of clf.
traditional clf accupressure point striking.
traditional clf dit da healing and dit da jow recipes.

from this list uve compiled earlier, the chans really have a great business goin

oh and dont forget traditional clf caligraphy, chan heung did do calligraphy right?

do they still teach traditional clf caligraphy seein as tho everything chan heung touches automatically becomes traditional clf, according to mistystiker

p.s personally i have nothing against chan family clf or chen yong fa, juss drawing these conclusions up purely from mistystiker posts. and im sure mistystiker does not speak on behalf of any chan family clf practioner or chen yong fa himself.