Ive been doing some chain punching in sparring

[Hieronim]

since I train some jeet kune do Ive sparred with jeet kune do gloves for the first time, and me and my instructor mixed boxing up with chain punches/straight blast. And I actually found use for it and it looked like nothing shown in those wing chun sparring clips where they try to punch thropugh each others arms at the same time. the trick is to block/cover up your opponents blasts first than retaliate or move sideways at an angle and attack, not try to outpunch them at the same time like in thsoe clips with no movement/footwork. I still havent seen a single clip on the internet of good chain pucnhing in a sparring match.

[Dave P]

since I train some jeet kune do Ive sparred with jeet kune do gloves for the first time, and me and my instructor mixed boxing up with chain punches/straight blast. And I actually found use for it and it looked like nothing shown in those wing chun sparring clips where they try to punch thropugh each others arms at the same time. the trick is to block/cover up your opponents blasts first than retaliate or move sideways at an angle and attack, not try to outpunch them at the same time like in thsoe clips with no movement/footwork. I still havent seen a single clip on the internet of good chain pucnhing in a sparring match.

Chain punching...:(
The most of that ( I have seen) is done like a cat trying to catch a fly in the air.
Mostly done like continuously launching punches. The head leaning backwords and all attacks are far out of range. Most chainpunchers are simply running behind their own punches and try to hide behind them.

The idea is to get the first punch to the target!!! THAN you can continue with another attack and another and another etc... Right distance, close to your oppnent. The idea of stepping out sidewards isn't Ving Tsun. Block and hit simultanously or hit instantly without waiting for your oppnonent to come out to you.

Question. I have seen JKD gloves and noticed they are very large. How can you make a good chainpunch anyway?

[Matrix]

I still havent seen a single clip on the internet of good chain pucnhing in a sparring match.There's a good reason for that. ;)

[sihing]

IMO chain punching has it's place. It is a way for us to actually move and punch continuously simultaneously, but to me this is only for a short period of time, as you will accomplish nothing really effective chasing someone around the room and chain punching them. The idea as far as I understand is to hit/stun them with a few punches as a set up (while in extreme close range not boxing range) for a take down or whatever else comes of it.

When I was sparring more regularly, I used it often, but when the footwork wasn't there to compliment the punching, nothing effective was ever accomplished. All of the aspects of Wing Chun way must be incorporated together, not just one, to be effective IMO.

James

[Hieronim]

I also kicked him as he backed up after my chain punches. Roundhouse kick to the gut.

[Matrix]

IMO chain punching has it's place. ............................

When I was sparring more regularly, I used it often, but when the footwork wasn't there to compliment the punching, nothing effective was ever accomplished. All of the aspects of Wing Chun way must be incorporated together, not just one, to be effective IMO.James,
The chain punch can be useful I guess, but as you so correctly indicated it tends to be used ineffectively.
I think it's because people just want to hit, and often do so well before they have earned the right to do so. Using chain punches as an entry technique is one of the biggest mistakes one can make IMO.

[Matrix]

the trick is to block/cover up your opponents blasts first than retaliate or move sideways at an angle and attack, not try to outpunch them at the same time like in thsoe clips with no movement/footwork. I'd be interested in a little more detail on the block/cover aspect of your comments. I'm thinking of something more like a western boxing exchange.

[couch]

the trick is to block/cover up your opponents blasts first than retaliate or move sideways at an angle and attack, not try to outpunch them at the same time like in thsoe clips with no movement/footwork. I still havent seen a single clip on the internet of good chain pucnhing in a sparring match.

As far as WC principles go...he's trying to chain punch down my centre? I'm going to put something on my centre and then step to the side and in. Two objects of matter can't occupy the same space at the same time.

Best,
Kenton

[Meklorien]

I've seen the chain punch misused so many times that I almost don't care to discuss it. I can't stand it when I see someone running at someone chain punching like pneumatic pump.

The first punch accomplishes setting the spring and stunning the opponent. The arm helps accomplish this so the punch is not just a punch but a structural attack that sets the stage for the other hand to punch, which may or may not accomplish the same thing. This frees the first hand which springs into whatever tool is needed for the moment i.e., a finger in the eye or fingers to the throat or index finger above the sternum, etc. Whatever flavor you feel like tasting.

But to repeatedly chain punch at someone is not a good idea.

Come keep, go throw.

[YungChun]

"Chain Punching" is not a WCK technique, per se... :eek:

There is chaining and there is punching. Chain punching is simply a way to "chain" punches together--to make them flow like water. The CP drill is also a kind of sub-form and an exercise that incorporates many of the core movements/concepts in the system.

"Chaining" is a method for placing a sequence of very closely spaced strikes and clearing actions together--strike goes out, clear goes back, on the centerline. The purpose: To learn the *basics* of controlling and attacking the centerline.

It is used for simultaneous offensive and defensive purposes, and often as a finishing move, most often seen with punches but used with palms, spear hands and chops as well.

The general action of occupying the line with both hands, attacking on the line with one hand and withdrawing on the line with the other while keeping both hands close to the opponent is consistent with much of how Wing Chun operates with many of the hand actions.

The CP drill helps beginning students learn how to occupy the line--clear the line and attack on the line all at the same time--it helps students learn how to punch, how to let the joints loosen up and how to generate WCK arm power and energy.

Within these movements you can see centerline occupation, attacking the line, bi-directional energy, hand replacement, clearing and hitting, etc.. But this does not mean that you can be an overnight terror using CPs.. You have to have the "meat", skills and attributes to make any WCK trap, control, strike, or series of strikes “work”.

It is sad that Chain punching is what the whole world thinks WCK is.. This is because "chain punching is what "white belts" do--it's ALL they do...

Nothing wrong with punching, nothing wrong with Chaining but as I said.. "Chain Punching" is not a singular technique--to be used as a "running egg-beater attack" or technique to be taken as is, unless you have nothing better..

Most folks also clearly have no idea how to sync their body mechanics and their "chaining" together.. The hands spin around at a million miles an hour with no body connection and/or they use the "running egg-beater attack" with full body momentum as they “run” in; This is not how one applies body connection and body unity with “chaining”..

In short there is no such thing as "chain punching" in and of itself as a stand alone "cure all" WCK technique o doom

[Dave P]

...This frees the first hand which springs into whatever tool is needed for the moment i.e., a finger in the eye or fingers to the throat or index finger above the sternum, etc. Whatever flavor you feel like tasting.


I would not try to complicate the fight, (wich is in this case in my favour) with eye thrusting fingeratacks or 'difficult' attacks as described in your post... Why not simply hit him again, and again. Multiple punches are not neccesarily chain-punches...:rolleyes:
Keep it simple...

[Kapten Klutz]

Like what I think a few others here have described, I was taught that the main point of practicing chain punching – apart from just developing a beginner's speed, arm/shoulder strength and coordination – is to instill the idea of ongoing continuous attack. Many beginners, including me, stop short and lose any advantage we might have just opened up. We're supposed to learn to keep going with an ongoing flowing attack which can include high and low straight punches, hooks, uppercuts, kicks, knees or whatever. It doesn't have to just be a bunch of fast little jabs delivered in a circular motion.

[Dave P]

... high and low straight punches, hooks, uppercuts, kicks, knees or whatever.

And what kind of martial art are you practicing? :cool:

[Meklorien]

I would not try to complicate the fight, (wich is in this case in my favour) with eye thrusting fingeratacks or 'difficult' attacks as described in your post... Why not simply hit him again, and again. Multiple punches are not neccesarily chain-punches...:rolleyes:
Keep it simple...


Poking someone in the eye is not complicated, nor is pinching the throat. Simply hitting someone repeatedly is one-dimensional and in my experience highly limited. I've been repeatedly hit and all it accomplished was to upset me. A palm to the kidney dropped me, as did a poke to the eye.

I've been straight kicked in the face and it only made me upset. A well-placed slap to the left kidney about made me pass out from the pain.

It's all in how you view your thing though. There are times when rapid hitting has its place. Not for me though. I've found that structure, economical timing and accupressure are much more efficient.

[Kapten Klutz]

And what kind of martial art are you practicing? :cool:

Wing Chun. Why?

[BowFist]

I agree with most of what's been said so far. If I may offer my insight into chain (chase) punching...

1. During sparring we're taught to only CP when we're in close range. This seems obvious but some people get into a bad habit of trying to force a CP when they're out of range and just blasting air without following up with a more long range strike (ie. arrow punch or front kick).

2. When you are in good range to use CPs, mix it up with both leveled and low chain punches (sinking w/ your horse). This can further disrupt your opponnent not knowing where to cover high or low when your blasting with your punches and then follow up with a different strike as I described in 1.

3. For us, CP is never the initial attack or I should say counter-attack. It's usually the next technique in a series of combinations of other techniques.

Keep in mind it's all tactics when using CPs as with any techniques. Also maintain the balance of keeping it simple but also giving your opponents different looks.

[Matrix]

1. During sparring we're taught to only CP when we're in close range. Bowfist,
What do you define as "close range"?

[milojai]

OK --Ok i will set the record straight once & for all!
Im new herre so untill now its not known the right way to so called chain punch!
Lets start at the begining!For sh--ts & giggles lets for the sake to learn it right
imagine --for this moment only --YOU know not any martila arts!I am teaching you here & now!
If you stand in front of me with 2 phone books & I full twist punch--you step back a bit with 1 foot!
If I start the chain punch you step back 1 per hit I do!This is do to
the fact the energy grounds!It gows down the body & becomes NULLFIED
Now if I vibrate-shock -wave-split-ect---you drop lke apile of bricks!
If you have seen the old films of Yushaiba doing Akido--he wees a hakima for a resogn!Most try to do what he dose & no luck!Lift the hakima & see the placement of feet in conjuction with the internal energy is now deployed!
If you walk up to a wall slow & touch your nose to it!It will not hurt!
Run fast & make noise to wall contack--it will break-& more arise as well!
Now the same wall just as you make contact there is a 4.5 quake--
your nose just shatterd! Now just on impact the wall from a diferant quake
splits & now pieces fall & knock you out!Same wall it did nothing!

Now for the so called chain punch!The w ay 99% are doing it is a basic way to so the level of intent--yes shock-wave ect will make a differance!But here is a ( BIG ONE) Insted of pulling on the chain(dont yank my chain from phrase)Revers the direction & split the energy with hip torque & advancing foot
steps--see that it provides a totaly new affect & the attack is down or flys so far back he wont want to try again!!!REVERCE IS THE TRUE ANSWER!Go in peace my students & feel the FORCE OF THE CHAIN!
Dojosai
Milojai

[atlas1212]

The method of straight blasting I've seen is by Paul Vunak. He understands the straight blast's place in combat. It's a disorienting technique to be used quickly to gain a strong entry for trapping techniques.

I also agree with others that you can't really blast correctly with gloves. Or without going full contact. Otherwise, how can you get the desired reaction. The blast is good for disorientation and unbalancing, but simultaneously, the person needs to be feeling pain in the face to get the proper reaction.