ot: interesting points on women

[Hieronim]

"Women regardless of what they say about their liberation from men, are still only as good as the seed that fertilizes them. A woman's status in society correlates directly to that of her man. If she is pretty and classy she will be the possession of a high status male , while if she ugly and classless she will be possessed by a correlatory male.

1) The trophy wives of older wealthy men equate to the antiques he has in his mansion' something to be displayed and admired rather than considered and chersihed.

2) Trophy husbands are non-existant ( or indeed extremely rare) because unlike a female a male is unwilling to be possessed.

3) There is an ever prevailing trend within the ranks of women, that if you get screwed by someone famous you will in turn become famous yourself. This phenomena only applies to women; again being owned by a high class male will enhance a female's social standings. Again, men dont go down this route, they generally accomplish fame using their ability not their genitals (minus porn stars).

4) Women although unwilling to admit it openly love being the possesion of the man they love, it is one of their life goals to find their soul mate; AKA their owner. Again this is not the case with males who prefer sexual diversity and indepenence.

5) Historically women were possessions in the crudest sense of the word. For thousands of years they assumed this place beneath men. one hundred years of feminism cannot overcome millenia of ownership.

6) Genetically perhaps more than any of the other points women are possessions in the mammalian kingdom. Males dominate one another for possesion of as many females as possible in all mammal species even in the most advanced ones minus **** sapiens.
The words of a few feminists has changed our opnions and morals for the good and bad, but nothing can change the insticitve behaviour our genetic heritage forces upon us as animals.

This is where our species has come from and the male ownership of women is still evident in society today.

You as a male have ownership rights to a woman as much a she wants to be possessed by you."

[SPJ]

Women are from another planet so just leave them alone.

It is a quote.

seriously, men and women are genetically wired to use different part/hemisphere of the brain/cerebra.

:D

[MasterKiller]

http://www.geocities.com/psycho_exs/archives.html

[SPJ]

In some animal or insect kingdoms, the queen will crush or eat the male after mating.

:eek:

[Hieronim]

HOW TO MAKE YOUR MAN DO ANYTHING

COMPROMISE is all very well, but sometimes you just have to get your own way. And tempting as it is to shout and sulk, by far the most effective tactic is to manipulate him into thinking it was his idea all along.

That way he won't end up feeling resentful and you both feel like you've won.

So follow out five top tricks and you'll be able to get what you want and keep him happy at the same time...

BE POSITIVE

WHEN you want to win an argument, the obvious thing to say is "no, but...", thereby instantly dismissing his ideas and replacing them with your own better ones.

The trouble is, all he hears is the "but", so he feels you've ignored his idea and he stubbornly digs in his heels.

f, however, you replace your "no, but" with "yes, and..." you sound as though you've carefully considered what he has to say and have simply added further useful information. In fact, he's just agreed to what you wanted in the first place.

WHAT TO SAY TO GET YOUR WAY

Him: "I don't see why we have to book another holiday when we've just bought a new carpet in the lounge."

You: "Yes, and the break we found in Tenerife actually isn't that expensive."

LISTEN

IT'S tempting to shake your head and mutter "you've already said that five times" when your partner repeats himself.

But there is a great deal to be gained from really absorbing everything he has to say.

A lot of arguments happen because at least one person doesn't feel heard.

So if you can convince him that you've taken in everything he has said and can even repeat whole chunks of it in your answer, you're halfway to winning the battle.

This because when you reply, he knows that you have listened to - and absorbed - his point of view.

WHAT TO SAY TO GET YOUR WAY

Him: "Blah blah, the kids are spoilt, blah, not like when I grew up, blah, your mother mollycoddles them."

You (having nodded in silence for some time): "I understand what you're saying - you think my mother mollycoddles the kids and that's not good for them. What would you like us to do about that?"

SHOWER HIM WITH LOVE

IT sounds obvious, but unexpectedly bombarding your partner with love when he's arguing with you will disarm him so much he's more likely to end up agreeing with you.

Instead of drawing away from him when he's arguing, move further towards him and point out how marvellous he is.

Unless he's completely focused on his argument, he'll quickly be inclined to agree with you just so he can receive more of your affection.

WHAT TO SAY TO GET YOUR WAY

Him: "I don't understand why we have to go all the way to France for your old school friend's wedding. You haven't seen her for years."

You: "Remember that wedding last year? You looked so handsome - but that's because you always do. I'm really lucky that I've got you to come with me to these things. I get a bit shy, but you're so confident with new people."

PLAY THE GIRLIE CARD

WE all know it's wrong to exploit someone's weaknesses. But what if you exploit his strengths? Say his strength is in being kind and always wanting to help.

Then you attempt the job yourself, make a mistake and wait for him to wade in and do it - like you asked him to in the first place. Or if his strength is his ability to get things organised, then you talk aloud about how much you wish you could sort out the problem. Eventually, he'll be unable to resist resolving it for you.

WHAT TO SAY TO GET YOUR WAY

You: "I don't know what happened, I know you wanted to wait until next month to fix the drains but I thought I'd have a go to save you the trouble and now there's this odd smell."

Him: "Oh, God... let's have a look."

SEDUCE HIM

IT may be despicable to use sex to get what you want - but if you're sleeping with him anyway, why not? And it's a rare man who won't be convinced by the power of sex.

Begin by subtly bringing up what you want. When he shakes his head, you appear to drop the argument altogether, because you're so overtaken by how much you want him.

Sometime afterwards, cuddled up, you may murmur, "You know what we were talking about before?" and when he mumbles "mm?" you'll have a great chance to subtly win him over.

WHAT TO SAY TO GET YOUR WAY

Him: "We're not spending Christmas at your mother's again. I've had enough of her put-downs and burnt turkey."

You: "Oh, honey. You look gorgeous, never mind all that - come here and let me kiss you."

WHAT NOT TO DO

1 GET HIM DRUNK It may work while the alcohol lasts but he'll be sober - and angrier - in the morning.

2 GET YOUR FRIENDS TO PERSUADE HIM The minute one casually trills, "So, I hear you've been discussing holidays," his defences will shoot up faster than ever.

3 SHOUT Shouting loudly will make him want to shout even louder.

4 SULK If you do get your way, it'll only be because he can't stand your persistent bad mood - but, deep down, he'll be furious.

5 EMPTY PROMISES If you strike a bargain you have to hold up your side of the promise. So never write cheques you can't cash later - or he'll see straight through you next time.

[The Willow Sword]

Now that we know all the tricks, it will be alot easier for us now to recognize when women are being two faced just so that they can get their way and continue to felch the credit card for all its worth. I mean us guys work hard so that we can just give the CC over to you and be in deep debt because you just HAD to have those fukin shoes:rolleyes: :p ;) :D

TWS

[SPJ]

The social roles of the genders are really blurred nowadays.

We have women soldiers died on the battlefield and while men stayed behind and home making, too.

Who is the wage earner? there are plenty of households that both men and women work to keep the house and family together.

What ever you do, both men and women do it "together".

:)

[Royal Dragon]

Well said. In fact my best friend is the main bread winner in her house, her husband is the home maker.

[neilhytholt]

Bottom line Hieronim is you obviously need to get laid, so maybe you should get out there and start dating and stop obsessing over women on the Internet.

[Su Lin]

Hang on, haven't there been similar threads on here recently? Can't we just all try and get on in this world?
Sorry that it sounds like you have had women problems and like Neilyholt suggests you may just be in some kind of "need" , hope you get over it soon.:p

[Royal Dragon]

He's more than welcome to my leftovers, I have a surplus right now. :cool: :p

[Su Lin]

Ooh get you, show off!!!:p

[Royal Dragon]

Hee, Hee, Hee, Great big Grin! :D
















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[Scott R. Brown]

Hieronim spends his time scouring the web for controversial and spectacular topics
to post. Try not to take what he posts as necessarily what he believes.

He likes to stir the pot to keep it interesting around here. ;)

[SPJ]

Just watched "Da Vinci code".

It is an absolute controvecy.

In the end, what do you believe is most important.

"And Jesus descendent Sophie tried to walk on the water and backed away".

So what do you believe?

:)

[neilhytholt]

Well I'm totally tired of the entire woman topic. I can't get away from it anywhere, "Why don't you have a girlfriend? When are you getting married again?"

I swear, single people face more discrimination than gays. I mean, nobody's going to walk up to a gay guy and ask why he doesn't have a boyfriend.

Maybe I should just tell them all that I'm really gay. Except then I'd probably get gay guys hitting on me.

[Scott R. Brown]

Just say you are gay, but are considering switching teams. Then the ladys won't leave you alone wanting to change you!!:D

[neilhytholt]

Just say you are gay, but are considering switching teams. Then the ladys won't leave you alone wanting to change you!!:D

Nobody seems to get it. I'm just not interested in any romantic or sex relationship with a woman anymore.

In fact, the very thought of it is now repulsive. Just yesterday I was with my kids at the beach, all these women with bikinis, and I was just like, "Why don't you cover up your naked bodies."

But how do you get away from it? Everybody even kids bother me about it.

[Royal Dragon]

I went through that for a while after my last break up. but now I am my normal old self, and I have a numer to choose from.

I'm sure I'll be back on here crying about my latest break up in a year though.

[neilhytholt]

I dunno ... I think being a single dad is doing something bad to me.

Basically, I'm getting extremely conservative. Whereas it used to seem okay for women to go out, wear bikinis, screw every guy they wanted to, now I'm kindof like, "Why don't we put some morals back into society?"

Why don't people cover up more, have better relationships with each other not just based upon looks and sex, money, etc? Why don't people treat each other better?

Basically, I'm almost considering going back to church again, if they weren't such hypocritical people. In fact, I'm almost considering becoming a Mormon, because they seem to have good family values. (Except that I don't buy all that stuff about the book of Mormon, because it sounds like complete fiction. I mean, Joseph Smith finding tablets in middle Egyptian, somehow being able to translate them, angels ... ?????? Although I have read it.)

Anybody else having kids made them more conservative?

[Hieronim]

why is it in order to get chicks you need to have game? why cant the guy be who he is and be liked for who he is instead of a role he has to play?

[Hieronim]

Just say you are gay, but are considering switching teams. Then the ladys won't leave you alone wanting to change you!!:D

thats another thing. Women always want to change the guy, they keep trying non stop and when they finally do change him they lose interest and move on to the next guy.

They are also like animals, they mark their territory by cleaning the guys bathroom or putting some decorative thing in his house. Kind of like dogs mark their territory by peeing.

Anyway I noticed every time I go to a bar I am always there alone standing and looking around and get no looks or smiles from any female including on the dance floor msot wont even look my way, and there are olot of other guys like that but never a single female alone, every female is always tlaking to some guy or other females.

[Scott R. Brown]

Nobody seems to get it. I'm just not interested in any romantic or sex relationship with a woman anymore.

In fact, the very thought of it is now repulsive. Just yesterday I was with my kids at the beach, all these women with bikinis, and I was just like, "Why don't you cover up your naked bodies."

But how do you get away from it? Everybody even kids bother me about it.

Neil!!!! Lighten up! It was a JOKE!!!! Its ok to laugh once in a while!:D

If you dont feed your attitude it will eventually pass. For now just enjoy your kids and take them to beaches with less people. Try some more northern CA beaches. I live on the central coast. There are plenty of beaches you can go to here with fewer people.

[Scott R. Brown]

The thing about people, both men and women, is they spend too much energy worrying about finding the right person and not enough time or energy working on being the right person. If people focused on being the right kind of person, that is emotionally balanced, confident, kind, etc. The rest will work itself out in time. It seems that you guys, Neil and Hieronim and anyone else with a generally poor attitude about women, spend way too much time looking outward and not enough time looking inward. If you don’t understand yourself how do you expect to understand anyone else?

If you don’t understand the dating scene or women, then spend more time developing your own character. If you develop a balanced sense of self you won’t care what you think you are missing.

The fact is you two spend so much time complaining about women that it is clear what you really want is a good relationship with one. If you really didn’t care you would feel no reason to go on and on about it. Take some time to develop your character and then don’t worry about it. If you want to find a nice woman then quit going where women with poor character hang out and go where nice women hang out. Sometimes you must cast a wide net and catch a lot of fish to find the one with the jewel in its belly!

[neilhytholt]

Neil!!!! Lighten up! It was a JOKE!!!! Its ok to laugh once in a while!:D

If you dont feed your attitude it will eventually pass. For now just enjoy your kids and take them to beaches with less people. Try some more northern CA beaches. I live on the central coast. There are plenty of beaches you can go to here with fewer people.

Yeah, there's a reason there are fewer people on the 'beaches' of Northern CA. Because they're freaking cold. You get hypothermia after about 5 minutes.

Of course, there's less pollution up there as well.

But I am extremely serious. It's getting ****ed annoying having everybody trying to hook me up every 5 minutes. They actually do it without my knowing as well, like I go for drinks with the guys, and they've got a couple of women there trying to hook me up. All my friends do it too.

I can't even go out for drinks anymore or social gatherings without the ever present, "Hi, have you met Donna? Have you met Tina? Have you met Jennifer?"

I'm thinking of working on my upchuck response so I can actually just literally puke, instead of figuratively.

[Scott R. Brown]

Well I know it gets annoying, but keep in mind that they think they are being supportive and that they have your best interests at heart.

I choose not to have friends because they cause too may waves in an otherwise mostly quiet life. The more friends you have the more of their issues you become involved in. Eventually, their problems can become your problems, so I just avod it altogether. I am a homebody mostly, spending time with my boys and working out, and reading the BB, LOL!!

[neilhytholt]

The rest will work itself out in time. It seems that you guys, Neil and Hieronim and anyone else with a generally poor attitude about women, spend way too much time looking outward and not enough time looking inward. If you don’t understand yourself how do you expect to understand anyone else?

You know, Scott, I've been holding back. But you're so full of crap. Looking inward. Why the hell do I want to look inward?

It's not my problem. Have you seen the morals of this country? Or the lack thereof? The divorce rate is ~50%. Over 40% for first marriages and over 60% for second marriages.

I got screwed over by my wife, so it's my problem? I'm supposed to look inward? No, it's not my problem, it's a problem with this country and the world.

I'm sick of people telling me it's my problem. HELLO!!! You can't control other people's actions. There's nothing you can do to make them do what you want them to do. They make their own decisions. It's got nothing to do with me.

That I would rather spend time with my kids than with some woman that reminds me of my ex, and you're telling me to look inward .... you're flipping insane, you know that?

It's YOU who need to look inward. It's all of you pathetic creatures who think that you should have others act the way you want them to act or be the way that you want them to be.

I'm not trying to change anybody. I don't care if people act the way they do. But that doesn't mean that I want to let them into my home, and trust them with my kids. It doesn't mean that I don't want to take a breather from relationships (like IMHO about 5 more years would be a good start).

So get it through your skull and all the rest of you out there that the people that need to look inward is you. Start trying to understand people before blaming them for being the ones that are wrong.

[Scott R. Brown]

Hi Neil,

No need to hold back with me, I can take your hostility. I understand you are hurt and angry and it is good to get it out and ventilate about it.

I am not full of crap. You don’t understand how your mind works to give you what you have out of your life. It is your attitudes about life and your expectations about life that cause you to see your glass as half empty and not half full. This pessimistic attitude is what is doing damage to you. Not the events that happened to you and your negative interpretation of the world.

It isn’t life’s job to be a reflection of your ideals, you ideas of what you want it to be. Life is bigger than you. You must learn the basic rules if you wish to be happy. If you don’t then al you do is spend your life running your head into the wall and wondering why it won’t budge. It won’t budge because the wall is harder that your head. Life is bigger than you. If you spent some time figuring out the rules and then working within the rules then you would find yourself in better humor about your experiences.

You see what has happened to you as a traumatic event. That is clear, but that is the half empty glass view. The half full view would also see it as an opportunity for further growth. You are wasting your energy ventilating. If your children come home upset about something that happened at school, you would first listen to their feelings and then help them find a solution to their problem, but you are not doing this for yourself. Or at least it isn’t apparent from what you post here.

Be solution oriented, not problem oriented. You seem to see problems and things to be upset about all the time, yet you don’t understand that it isn’t the world that is ugly it is what is inside you that is making the world “appear” ugly to you. I am not saying there isn’t plenty in life that is ugly, but life is about how you approach challenges and complaining about it incessantly without looking for solutions makes your life more unpleasant not more pleasant.

[Scott R. Brown]

Neil, continued,

You are wrong Neil. I am not trying to tell you how to behave or how to feel. I am trying to help you work through your trauma so you can see some light at the end of the dark tunnel you have created for yourself.

You are correct we cannot control others, their actions or life in general. You cant change others, but you CAN change yourself. If you are unhappy with the state of the world in general then you can work on improving what you can which is primarily yourself, and influencing your children to be better people. I have told my boys ever since they were born that my goal is for them to not be as good a person as me, but a better person than me. But all I can do is influence. I show them how attitudes and action reflect in their lives with consequences. Bad attitudes create negative consequences that are much more insidious than bad behaviors. If you are unable to face the attitudes that you have that contribute to your negative experiences then how do you propose to improve your condition.

In life you can be at cause or at effect. If you choose to be at effect then you are a victim who perceives events as happening TO you, if you are at cause then you make things happen for you in your life. You are an active participant in the events that occur. People at effect feel hopeless, people at cause feel hopeful. Right now in your life you are feeling hopeless!

[Scott R. Brown]

I got screwed over by my wife, so it's my problem? I'm supposed to look inward? No, it's not my problem, it's a problem with this country and the world.

I got screwed over by my wife too Neil! You are not the only person who this has happened too! I am still friends with my ex because i recognize she is a broken person and it isnt healthy for my boys to live around such hostility! Take your time to ventilate your feelings, but at some point it will be time for you to grow up and take some responsibility for your life and quit blaming your unhappiness on life or modern morals or women or the world system.


I'm not trying to change anybody.

Then why are you complaining about other people all the time. If they bother you then don't hang around them. You choose your friends. You chose to go to the beach! You know what you will encounter when you go to the beach and you know what to expect when you go out drinking with friends. YOU are responsible for being exposed to enviroments you are railing against. How about if you don't like it, don't go to those beaches, don't hang out with those friends! Prettey simple solution it would seem. Perhaps you like being upset all the time, introspection would allow you to discover this about yourself and allow you take steps to improve yourself. Did you notice that I provided you with a solution of going to more northern beaches? All you could do is find something negative about the beaches so you dont have to implement the solution. My solution is not the only option, but the point is it reveals your inherently negative way of looking at life and this negativity is what causes your unhappiness, NOT your ex-wife, or the morals of the world today!

This negative outlook is inside you! If you don't look for it and seek to improve or change it then you will continue to live an anger filled unhappy life. Is that what you want? Is that what you want for you children? An angry and bitter father?

Take some responsiblity to improve your condition while you are also ventilating in order to get your feelings out!

By the way, you are very welcome for consistently taking the time to pound some sense into your thick skull!!:)

[Scott R. Brown]

why is it in order to get chicks you need to have game? why cant the guy be who he is and be liked for who he is instead of a role he has to play?

You might as well ask, “Why is water wet?”, “Why is fire hot?” Life IS a game. It follows certain rules. We don’t get to make the rules, but we can choose to follow them or not. If we disregard the rules there are consequences. The better we understand the rules the happier we will be. We create our own difficulties when we don’t understand the rules and attempt to force our own rules on a game that won't respond and doesn’t care about our own rules.

You just don’t like the game you THINK you have to play in order to meet women. You don’t understand that not playing a role is still playing a role. It is just a different role (game) then the one you think everyone else is playing. Before you choose to criticize the games others play it would be in your best interest to introspect into yourself to discover the games you play. Don’t think you don’t play games. Just because you don’t recognize your own games doesn’t mean they don’t exist, it only means you are preoccupied with criticizing everyone else’s games and haven’t looked at your own.

It is unrealistic and self-centered to expect the world to conform to your rules. That does not mean you cannot play by your own rules, it just means that you shouldn’t expect or require others to conform to your rules.

Shakespeare said, “All the world’s a stage, And all the men and women merely players [actors].” You are just a player, an actor in the game of life. You may choose much of the role you wish to play, but others have no requirement to accept the role you have chosen for yourself. If you don’t want to play their game then don’t but understand the consequences of your choice.

When you go into a bar scene you are unlikely to find others who don’t play the “bar game”. That does not mean it is impossible to find them, just unlikely. You attitude is similar to a man who attends a soccer (futball) game wondering why are no helmets and tackling. If you go to a soccer game expect to see soccer, if you go to a bar expect to see a bar scene.

You are free to play your own game at the bar, but then don’t wonder why no one wants to play YOUR game. They are there to play the bar game. There are consequences for actions, some consequences are beneficial and some are detrimental. If you chose to shoot skeet in a bowling alley then you will find others who think you are nuts. If you go to a bar scene and don’t play the game don’t expect to attract ladies.

If you wish to attract ladies who don’t play the bar game, don’t go to bars! Go to areas where girls play the game you prefer.

I am not trying to discourage you from being what you think of as “yourself”. I am merely explaining to you that there is a game played at bars! The problem is you want to play another game and expect others to play by your rules. This is unproductive thinking! You aren’t getting what you want there, so why keep going? You need to find an environment where others play a game you like. If you can't find anywhere that plays your game then recognize that that is the consequence of the game you have chosen to play and live with the consequences or change your game to fit in with the environment you chose to play within.

If you are being ignored by the women at bars because you think you are being “real” consider that it is phony women that are ignoring you. You are actually being spared the misery of a superficial experience when they ignore you. If you want a superficial experience then play the game, if you want a real relationship then go where you will find “real” women.

[Royal Dragon]

If you are being ignored by the women at bars because you think you are being “real” consider that it is phony women that are ignoring you. You are actually being spared the misery of a superficial experience when they ignore you. If you want a superficial experience then play the game, if you want a real relationship then go where you will find “real” women.

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And how do you sugjest he goes and finds a "Real" woman?

[Chief Fox]

You know, Scott, I've been holding back. But you're so full of crap. Looking inward. Why the hell do I want to look inward?

It's not my problem. Have you seen the morals of this country? Or the lack thereof? The divorce rate is ~50%. Over 40% for first marriages and over 60% for second marriages.

I got screwed over by my wife, so it's my problem? I'm supposed to look inward? No, it's not my problem, it's a problem with this country and the world.

I'm sick of people telling me it's my problem. HELLO!!! You can't control other people's actions. There's nothing you can do to make them do what you want them to do. They make their own decisions. It's got nothing to do with me.

That I would rather spend time with my kids than with some woman that reminds me of my ex, and you're telling me to look inward .... you're flipping insane, you know that?

It's YOU who need to look inward. It's all of you pathetic creatures who think that you should have others act the way you want them to act or be the way that you want them to be.

I'm not trying to change anybody. I don't care if people act the way they do. But that doesn't mean that I want to let them into my home, and trust them with my kids. It doesn't mean that I don't want to take a breather from relationships (like IMHO about 5 more years would be a good start).

So get it through your skull and all the rest of you out there that the people that need to look inward is you. Start trying to understand people before blaming them for being the ones that are wrong.
Are you actually saying that the whole rest of the world is screwed up, all except you?

You're getting some good advice here but when it's not something that you want to hear then you throw a fit.

Ok, so maybe you got screwed over by a chick. Join the club. The only difference is, your kids are involved. This says a lot about your ex-wife. But it also says a lot about you. Your judgement of her character obviously was way off.

If you don't want to date, then don't date. If you want to complain about how the whole world is screwed up and you're just trying to raise your kids then do it somewhere else. If there is one thing I can't stand, it's a person who takes no personal responsibility for their own happieness. You are stuck in a downward spiral of self pitty. No body has put you there. You are doing it to yourself. Oh boo hoo, woe is me. Why is the world so screwed up? Oh boo hoo, my wife left me as a single dad and now I have to raise my kids on my own. Oh boo hoo, what did I do to deserve all of this? Give me a break dude. You're pathetic.

Have you ever thought that the reason that people keep trying to set you up is because they see your situation from the outside. Maybe you're blinded by the fact that you're right in the middle. Sometimes you have to listen to your friends and you have to accept the fact that you may be wrong. You have to take responsibility for your own happiness.

Good luck dude, judging from your posts and responses, I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears.

[The Willow Sword]

I think that this BAR that Heironim is talking about where he is getting ignored is in fact a Tiddy Bar. And when you are ignored at a Tiddy bar, of all places, that's pretty pathetic if you ask me:p ;) :D

Does this guy have a hunchback of notre dame look or something?


As Ever,TWS

[David Jamieson]

It is a woman's prerogative to change her boyfriend or husband into a man that no longer interests her. :p

other than that, lol @ all the dudes trying to analyze women. That's like trying to determine the correct amounts and measures of ingredients in a 355 flavour yoghurt smoothy. You know there's yoghurt in there, possibly bananas and raspberries, but go figure on what else is in there. You can't know unless they honestly tell you.

[Su Lin]

We're special and lovely and smell of flowers and things , and special ! That's why we are allowed to change our minds!!!
I gave up attempting to analyse men a long time ago ! :rolleyes: Because we are so special you can't take one rule and apply it to all of us! :p

[The Willow Sword]

Women have a more pungent body odor than men:eek:

[Su Lin]

What!:eek:
There are some truly pungeant body odours coming from the men in my club, whereas I smell of lillies and freshly baked bread!;)

[Scott R. Brown]

There is no reason to have to analyze, only accept!

Personally I have no difficulty understanding women.

As long as men don't expect them to think and behave like men it isn't that hard.

[The Willow Sword]

What you are smelling, Su lin, is us guy's Natural amber'esque Musk and you know you get all hot when it hits your nostrils:cool:

Fresh baked bread eh? Like an Onion Pumpernickle loaf?:p :D

This thread has become silly, TWS

[Su Lin]

Thought it needed lightening up a bit! See, us women are useful for something!!!
What's pumpernickel smell like???
Mmmmm, musk....:eek:

[Scott R. Brown]

Thought it needed lightening up a bit! See, us women are useful for something!!!
What's pumpernickel smell like???
Mmmmm, musk....:eek:

It smells like pumpernickel of course! ;)

[Su Lin]

Is there an equivalent that we may have over here in England?
I seem to remember a reference to it in Bear in the Big Blue House?:confused: