What style is this...

[Laukarbo]

What style is this shown on the vid clip? is this Pak mei ? Looks a bit mainlandish the vid...this guy also does Hung gar and Wing Chun instructional VCDs..

any infos on the style and maybe on the guy would be appreciated

cheers

oops..the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRYHqkwR43g

[Ben Gash]

I think it's Lung Ying, although the flavour isn't great, could be Bak Mei (some of their forms are interchangeable anyway).

[Vince]

I saw once this:

http://www.plumpub.com/sales/vcd3/coll_wongfeihung.htm

If you look at Product "VCD#877 Wong Fei Hung 5 Horse Boxing" you see what I mean.

[Laukarbo]

yes this clip was taken from that vcd..but I never saw any english text to it...cheers for the link

[mantis108]

It's likely a branch of Lung Ying in Fut Shan. The form seems to be a version of Ng Ma Kwai Cho (five horses return to the stable). The form should gives a feeling of horses rushing towards stable/home. I don't know is it me but the Fut Shan MA community seems to favor the exaggerated movements. The circles are rather big for my taste. I prefer more compact structure and explosive dynamics. Considering the age of the exponent, it is a good performance and maintain Lung Ying's shape.

Just my opinions.

Mantis108

[Royal Dragon]

A lot of the foot work looks like Southern Tai tzu to me. The hands don't though.

[Yum Cha]

Once again, I'll have to agree with Mantis108. It looks like Loong Ying or Pak Mei flavoured Kung fu, but the circles are bigger and there is a bit more flourish that I would want my siDai to play. Being that its longer, and the name, I suspect it is indeed a rendition of a Dragon form, but I don't have the first hand knowledge to really know for sure.

My feeling is that the player had a knowledge of many martial arts and than learned this set because it shows lots of fundamentals that are not pure Pak Mei or Loong Ying, but there is a high "southern fist" skill level overall.

[PlumDragon]

That does not seem like lung ying to me...

[Laukarbo]

yes ,the guy seems to know more southern styles..
here are 2 more clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MILJnCoc8mA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UFJ1rubpUs

[Meklorien]

yes ,the guy seems to know more southern styles..
here are 2 more clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MILJnCoc8mA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UFJ1rubpUs

Looks a lot like Hun Gar Bak Mei to me, but I'm not entirely certain.

[Shaolin Master]

The clips performed by Chen Nianen are as follows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRYHqkwR43g
1. Long Xing - Wu Ma Gui Cao (5 horses return to stable).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MILJnCoc8mA
2. Is Xiao Luohanquan (Small Arhat) of the Xiajia Style (Hap Ga/Lama), although the link stated Futga (Fojia).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UFJ1rubpUs
3. Hu Shou Shuang Dao

Regards
Wu Chanlong

[fiercest tiger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXPWPZ6DCSM&search=white%20eyebrow


For you Yum Cha!!

[Lama Pai Sifu]

Shaolin Master, you are correct! Although the form is a bit different from the Lama Version, it is Siu Lo Han Kuyhn. Wonder why it's mislabeled as Fut Ga??

A few things are fudged in the form but otherwise, he's pretty accurate.

[Laukarbo]

Wonder why it's mislabeled as Fut Ga??

. I was refering to this text...

VCD#879 Wong Fei Hung Buddha Fist
About an hour, See Main VCD page for prices, CHINESE ONLY

Fut Jia LuoHan Quan. Buddha Family Disciple Boxing. Being a Southern style there's more chance people recognize the Cantonese idiom of "Fut Gar LoHan" Boxing. Within the Wong Fei Hung branch this is the most distinctively Long Arm of all the sets. It almost resembles PiGua with special weight put on Big Opening and Big Closing. A nice looking set and a workout. Very different from some of the more Arrow Punch sets of the system.

taken from here...
http://www.plumpub.com/sales/vcd3/coll_wongfeihung.htm

[Shaolindynasty]

Lama/hop ga-

Some similar sequences of movement to ours. Allot of differences also. That one seems more "flashy" than ours.

[Yum Cha]

Hi Guys,
So, who is this guy, Chen Nianen? Seems to be crossing a lot of styles for his video business...

Gazza, you have way to much time to search the internet these days....hahahah.

On a different topic, while you guys are on the thread, can you and SM help me with a "hypothetical" question concerning Australian law and self defense.

You are attacked by a mugger with a knife, and you injure him seriously, say, breaking a wrist, elbow and jaw, where does the self defense end, and the excessive force begin? Lets say, you already have a police record for using excessive force on a couple of other occasions.

Keep in mind, the "hypothetical" incident started with an armed robbery where you have a justifiable fear for your life.

[fiercest tiger]

Since working alot fo door work, clubs, hospitals etc, as long as you can prove that "YOU, used as much force that was nessecary to control the situation" then that is what it is, if you have a record prior to this for man handling heavily that will not help you, although if someone has a knife and you can prove you used the force required it should be ok.

Garry

[Yum Cha]

Thanks Gaz. That seems to be the rule of thumb, Appropriate force to meet the threat, and stopping when the threat is stopped.

How does one know when the threat is stopped?

Anybody else?

[Mufahok]

“Some similar sequences of movement to ours. Allot of differences also. That one seems more "flashy" than ours.”


This seems to be the trend.

Here in Asia, we get hundreds of different TCMAs videos from mainland.

Anything from An Shen Pao (Hsing Yi) to Ziranmen.

Very noticeable is the “flashy” features; additional “flowery” movements to rhythm that most of you would find strange.

Not confined to Lung Ying or HapGar, you find the same happening to many other TCMAs from mainlanders.

[Shaolin Master]

Self Defense: I agree with FT.

Sec 15 of the Criminal Law Consolidation Act

(1) It is a defence to a charge of an offence if -

(a) the defendant genuinely believed the conduct to which the charge relates to be necessary and reasonable for a defensive purpose; and

(b) the conduct was not, in the circumstances as the defendant genuinely believed them to be, reasonably proportionate to the threat that the defendant genuinely believed to exist

However, in addition to ensuring no more force than necessary, there is consideration of all circumstances such as alternative courses of action (such as retreat or flight) open at the time, any disproportion between the harm prevented and the harm caused, history/record, occupation etc....

In terms of when does it stop, well again law is such an open ended affair. Basically it is when the situation is controlled or when there is no further danger from the assailant.

This could go on of course but I presume you get the drift.

[Anisole]

yes ,the guy seems to know more southern styles..
here are 2 more clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MILJnCoc8mA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UFJ1rubpUs

the second video is definitely wing chun, but with jumping which is quite odd.
see reference to pan nam weng chun and netherland weng chun. slight differences between the two but no jumping.

[Lama Pai Sifu]

How can anyone think that the Butterfly knives shown here are Wing Chun!?!?

Butterfly swords from all southern styles, EXCEPT WING CHUN, all resemble each other. No way to tell wether its Choy Lay Fut, Hung, Lama, etc.

It's not WC though.

[Green Cloud]

How can anyone think that the Butterfly knives shown here are Wing Chun!?!?

Butterfly swords from all southern styles, EXCEPT WING CHUN, all resemble each other. No way to tell wether its Choy Lay Fut, Hung, Lama, etc.

It's not WC though.


I concurry is definately not in any way what so ever Wang chung tonight.

[Mufahok]

The knives form in the clip is from Pan Nam’s Wing Chun.

In fact you can get video of the Pan Nam’s form featuring the late Pan Nam’s son, Pan Shu Xiong performing this form.

The connection between Pan Junior and Chen (the Sifu in the clip) is that they are both involved in “Huang Fei Hong” kung fu school in China.

[David Jamieson]

It would be nice to see some of that applied.

Form doesn't make sense most of the time until it is applied with a little realism.

[Laukarbo]

The knives form in the clip is from Pan Nam’s Wing Chun.

In fact you can get video of the Pan Nam’s form featuring the late Pan Nam’s son, Pan Shu Xiong performing this form.

The connection between Pan Junior and Chen (the Sifu in the clip) is that they are both involved in “Huang Fei Hong” kung fu school in China.


I actually own both VCDs..and the forms are almost identical...only difference is that Chens version looks way more flashy...
In fact the version from Pan Shu Xiong looks like WIng Chun while the other looks more like a traditional Kung Fu style such as Hung Gar,Coy Li Fut etc.

[Mufahok]

Laukarbo,

If you look at all of Chen's deliveries; Lung Ying, Hap Gar and Hungga, they all come across as "flashy". I got his entire collection.

Chen’s style is typical Cantonese Wu Dip Doe (minus the "flashy" bits).

Most Wing Chun’s Wu Dip Doe, imho, looks like a cross between Cantonese and Fukien except maybe with lesser “kneeling stance” or lower gate techniques.

If you are familiar with Yong Chun White Crane Butterfly Knives, you’ll know what I mean.