Mi Zong

[golden arhat]

does anyone 1)know mi zong 2)know of a good instructor in the uk or 3)have a good mizongquan video thread
it would bge appreciated

[beiquan]

some good Mizongquan here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/DamonHwang

[Shaolinlueb]

the mizong grandmaster is in the uk, london area.

[Mengcunman]

www.zhenwei.org

that is the place to study Mizong

the teachers is from Cangzhou, Hebei
that place had a lot of famous Mizong practicioners

[GeneChing]

I just published an article on mizong - The Confusing Tracks of the Fist of Fury: Huo Yuan Jia’s Style of Mizong Quan in our Sep Oct 2006 issue (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=671). My master Tony Chen does mizong. He tried to teach it to me but I'm far too stiff for it now. Check out his DVD The Real Fist of Fury - Yanqing Mizong Fist (http://www.martialartsmart.net/prtc010.html).

[golden arhat]

i was actually looking 4 somewhere in the manchester area but thnx everyone
i live in the uk and for some stupid reason we can only get the magazine weeks after its released in the us and imports dont take that long

[golden arhat]

this is basically an ask 4 an explanation as to wat mi zong is im interested so enlighten me if u would

[Shaolinlueb]

http://www.plumpub.com/info/knotebook/boxlosttrack.htm



Mi ZONG (Yan Qing) Boxing:
The Lost Track

Not every famous style thrives forever. Mi Zong for instance has been very popular for a long period of Chinese history even extending beyond China's borders. Yet now Mi Zong is has become less common and "pure" Mi Zong rarer still.

Part of the reason may be it's name which means Lost Track. And that's not just a poetic description because Mi Zong is well known for its' basic strategic goal: to completely confuse an opponent.

Mi Zong starts with a wonderful Kung Fu legend. Centuries ago, it is said, a servant learned that his employer conducted Kung Fu classes in their own home but only allowed family members to practice in secret at night. The servant found a way to steal into the second floor, make a hole in the floor and looked down on the classes. Every night he would practice what he'd learned. But since the hole size restricted his vision he could only see parts of forms. So, resourcefully, he strung the bits and pieces together into a new form. One day, when the men were at harvest, a Kung Fu challenges showed up to confront the family. When some of the younger male family members were bested the servant stood up for the family and deafeated the challenger with moves so confusing they made him dizzy before the definitive strike. When the men returned they were told the servants actions and decided not only to teach him but to add his "Lost Track" skills to their own. Mi Zong was born.

Other than that there are a number of possible origins to the style both legendary and historical. Here are some of them...

LEGEND #1
The creator of MiZong was a monk named Jin Na-Luo from Song Mountain, Shaolin Temple.The earliest version was named Mi Zu Chuan (Lost Ancestor Boxing) or Yan Qing Chuan because the monk's religious named was Yan Qing.

LEGEND #2
During the Sui/Tang Dynasty transition period two warriors, Yan Qing and Cheng Zhi-Jing of Xi-Kang, accidentally killed someone and were forced to flee. Both entered the Shaolin Temple and became monks. Yan Qing called the boxing form after himself while Cheng called it Lost Track.

LEGEND #3
Old monk, Mo Jung, travels to the hills and comes across some monkeys playing together. Fascinated by their agillity and cleverness he creates a special boxing form and anmed it Mi Zu "Secret Ancestor" in a moment of Darwinian insight. Lu Jun-Yi of Da-Ming, HeBei Province, was a student of this Shaolin monk at the Monastery (probably a lay-student). He became quite good, won competitions and was swamped by people wanting to be his disciplie. Being rich, however, he refused students. However, one day he stumbled on his servant, Yan Qing, practicing and, impressed by the display of talent, took him on as a disciple. Yan Qing became a bandit and with because he made enough changes to justify it or because he didn't want to disgrace his teacher by association, renamed the style Yan Qing Chuan. Later he was said to have joined the rebels-heroes of the Liang Shan Rebellion (Water Margin). His style was therefore banned by authorities. Once, when evading these same troops, he escaped by disguising his footprints so thoroughly they couldn't follow. This inspired him to again re-name the style Lost Track. Another version has Yan Qing's student, Man Leung - also a rebel - evading the authorities not once but many times and thereafter calling his version "Lost Track".

WHAT SEEMS CLEAR IN THE LOST TRACK
One Sun Tong, a native of Tai-An in ShanDong Province was born in 1722. He loved martial arts a lot and studied for ten years under a man namced Zhang who might have been one of Man Leung's students. After learning much from Zhang he was encouraged by his teacher to travel around, see Kung Fu and learn what he could. People who worked with him were so impressed they nick named him Sun Tong the "Versatile Iron Leg." One day he was visiting his teacher's house but Zhang was gone. Sun conversed with his daughter, Yu-Lan and bragged a bit about what he had learned on his travels. Yu-Lan was unimpressed and challenged him to a competition. Sun decided it was time to leave but Yu-Lan followed him and forced the issue. Sun killed his teacher's daughter and was filled with shame. He ran away never to see his teacher again. During the QianLung Emperor's reign he went to Cang County (home or many great martial artistis) to live and eventually taught martial arts in Yao-Guan viallge.

Sun Tong was a popular teacher and taught about 100 students. His five major disciples were Chen Wan-Shan (from Chen Xiang), Su Jia-Yuan and Lu Gang-Chui (both from Cang Xian), a master known as Yu (from Ke-Niu), Monk Zhi Yuan (from LiLong village) and Huo Xu-Wu (originally from AnLe village, Dong-Guang then Xiao-Nan-He village, Qing-Hai)- this last being the famous Huo Yuan-Jia's great-grandfather ( see below).

Chen Wan-Shan had the most followers. His own grandson(Chen Yu-Shan) and one of his student's grandsons (Liu Wen-Cen) both became well known instructors. When the famous Nan Jing WuShu Institute was formed ten students from Chen Wan-Shan's branch were admitted to eventually become section leaders. These included

Guo Xi-Shan
Li Yuan-Zhi
Sun Yu-Ming
Li Lin-Chun
Li Shu-Ting
Chen Feng-Qi (5th generation disciple now leader of the branch)
Zhao Peng
Jiang Rong-Qiao
Zhu Lian-Ke
(The latter two become famous for writing books on the arts and spreading the knowledge.)
Liu Zhen-Shan was director of the WuShu Society of Wan-Xian County and a "teacher of ten thousand".

Talk about legends, one Mi Zong instrutor has inspired many AND been the subject of at least two major movies. Huo Yuan-Jia was honored as the top instructor of the pretigious "multiple style" school of Shang Hai the Ching Wu Association. A Kung Fu artist of the old school he defending his reputation against all challengers and, it was said, was never defeated. His enemies, among them disgruntled military men of the contending Japanese army, finally poisoned him to get him out of the way. At lest that is what many people think. The revenge rationed out by one of his top students has been the subject of The Chinese Connection with Bruce Lee (the real one) and Fist of Legend with Jet Li. Both stories are based on known stories and facts about the incidents though have different endings.

Whatever the reasons for its fame, Mi Zong is a fascinating style. While some forms of martial arts are well known for their straight line approach (such as Shaolin and Wing Chun) Mi Zong is the opposite. MiZong perfectly lives up to the old Kung Fu adage, "One hand empty, the other full." MiZong messes with the opponent's consciousness by mixed the straight and the curved, the substantial and the insubstantial. The movements of Mi Zong are similar in presentation to those of such Long Fist styles as Shaolin, but the "flavor" of the style is different. Good Mi Zong performers look like they known what they're doing but don't do the expected things. Everything is slightly off. Kicks turn to funny angles and stances are mixed in such a way that the typical "roads" of the form are hard to distinguish.

While many styles assume and entering process: touch limbs then penetrate; Mi Zong often enters at full body contact by "sealing" with the opponent then applying force. Even the attitude is different with Mi Zong showing a distinct tendency to mis-lead by head turns and sudden reversals. This makes it a little hard to learn at first but, to paraphrase Bruce Lee, "If you don't know where you are going neither will your opponent."

Mi Zong's Forms: Due to its tremendous popularity through history and its advanced fighting concepts Mi Zong has married with a great many styles. There are, for instance, Mi Zong Shaolin Sets, also Mi Zong Luo Han (a famous style) and others partners. But core Mi Zong is often referred to as Bai-De a term meaning "White" but implying plain or unspoiled. Some of the core sets in Mi Zong are :

Road # 1
Road #2
Road #3 all the way to #10
Mi Zong Quan
Mian-Zhang Quan - Continuous LongBoxing
Zhai Kou-Zi - Undo the Button (Duet)
Lian-Shou Quan
Mi Zong Staff
Mi Zong Sword
Mi Zong Spear
Mi Zong Saber
Mi Zong Sword and Whisk
Mi Zong Tan Tui
Mi Zong Big Knife
Five Small Tigers
Big Tiger
Leopard Fist
Children's Form
Double Swords
Double Sticks

Well known practitioners of Mi Zong and its variations in the last and present century include

Chen Jing-Yu (grandson of Chen Feng-Qi)
Huo Yun Jia (passed)
Liu Yun Chiao (passed)
Adam Hsu - Taiwan
Tony Yang - Akron, Ohio

Mi Zong Luo Han

Raymond Wong - Monetery Heights, California
Johnny Lee - Dallas, Texas
Alex Kwok - Alberta, Canada

[BlueTravesty]

that... was... beautiful! *teary-eyed applause*

[ZhuiQuan]

enlighten me if u would

You're an arhat... haven't you already realized enlightenment?:)

[ngokfei]

http://www.plumpub.com/sales/vcd/coll_losttrack.htm

They have over 20 vcd's on this style. hand and Weapon sets and some nice Applications disks as well.

I believe they have an overview disk that previews most of what they offer.

[golden arhat]

You're an arhat... haven't you already realized enlightenment?:)
im obviuosly not a real arhat otherwise i wouldnt care about any of this cos it wouldnt matter
but uve just said what we all knew any way so obviously im that bit more enlightened than u lol

[stimulant]

mizong styles / branches

http://www.satirio.com/ma/yanqingquan/lineage.html

[Shaolin]

does anyone 1)know mi zong 2)know of a good instructor in the uk or 3)have a good mizongquan video thread
it would bge appreciated

1. Yes, I teach Mizong

2. Check Shi Yanzi http://www.shaolintempleuk.org/

3. Not currently

[B-Rad]

How many Shaolin mizong forms are there? So far I've just seen the two they have our on vcd.

[stimulant]

There are many Mizong Forms

for classes in UK look at

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zhenwei-Academy-Mizong-Quan-Kung-Fu-Yang-Tai-Chi-Chuan/308176707739?v=info

http://wn.com/adlynchy

http://mizongkungfu.webs.com/

They train in Essex and Central London.

[B-Rad]

Sorry, that's a bit far from Ohio and doesn't really answer my question ;-)

[ginosifu]

How many Shaolin mizong forms are there? So far I've just seen the two they have our on vcd.

B-Rad, feel like coming up to Cleveland? There is a Mi tsung Lohan teacher in our china town. His name is Dr. Tam he teaches out of the Asia Plaza here in Cleveland.

ginosifu

[B-Rad]

B-Rad, feel like coming up to Cleveland? There is a Mi tsung Lohan teacher in our china town. His name is Dr. Tam he teaches out of the Asia Plaza here in Cleveland.

ginosifu

Thanks for the info, and I'd like to study more, but I'm pretty much stuck in Columbus right now (no car, among other things tying me down). I'll keep practicing the one mizong quan form I know though while working on my basics and strength training :-) An Tian Rong, who taught me the mizong quan form I know is still here in Columbus somewhere so I'm still hoping to get in touch with him and learn some more. He's getting up there in years and I'm not exactly sure when he's going to decide to retire (if he does). I'll keep Dr. Tam in mind :-)

[Violent Designs]

So what is unique about Mizong other than what I read? Which sounds like Chang Quan but more confusing and disorienting.

[RenDaHai]

On an interesting side note;

When a form has lost its lineage (as in no one knows where it came from) it is often refferred to as Mizong quan (lost track). So many different styles will have forms called Mizong Quan and there are even complete styles all of which are unrelated to the YanQing Quan, the actual Mizong Quan.

Also Mizong later became a term for describing styles which are deceptive. So particularly deceptive forms in a style could also be called Mizong Quan without the forms being related to the style YanQIng Quan.

Certainly the Shaolin XinYi Mizong quan forms are probably named for these reasons as opposed to being related to Mizong Quan.

In fact there are probably many more 'Mizong Quan' forms in China that are unrelated to actual Mizongquan than those that are.

[RenDaHai]

Another question;

Alot of the Mizong Quan CLasses I hear about in the West seem to have come through the 'Chin Woo' (Jing Wu) Lineage at some point.

Anyone train Mizong Quan from an entirely different route?

[B-Rad]

Yes, my teacher's mizong is not from jingwu, though they share an ancestor at some point. I think the jingwu branch is mizong luohan, am I right? He drew me a little chart before, but I can't read it. At the time I knew 0 Chinese, and his English was pretty minimal.

I think some of the wutan guys (Liu Yun Qian students) do a non-jingwu version of mizong quan too.

The form I know I think is a mizong version of the popular mantis form "xiao hu yan quan". I'm going to try and record a walk through of it. I can't really put any strength or speed into it (or even do decent stances, lol). Had lots of bad health problems and I'm only recently starting to do any training again. Let myself get fat and out of shape :-(

Anyway, the mizong/yanqing quan tends to be a longfist system with plenty of internal training too (there are soft taiji type forms too). There's a pretty wide variety of forms that differ between systems, but I think someone listed some of the more common/well known core forms.

A few quick videos that show some of the variety:

Here's one of the "soft" forms:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTWkGZLRpyI

Liu Yun Qiao's mizong quan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j1ya9Nsxqk&feature=related

Some beginner form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2_SkTHyfeo

[B-Rad]

On an interesting side note;


Certainly the Shaolin XinYi Mizong quan forms are probably named for these reasons as opposed to being related to Mizong Quan.


Yeah, that seems likely, though I do see some similarity between the two. Could be the long distant Shaolin connection many northern longfist type forms share though.

[Northwind]

Just out of curiosity - anyone know the "why" of the naming - mizong-to-yanqing?