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ShaolinTiger00
08-01-2006, 08:05 AM
I often recieve a lot of PM's and emails asking for training advice, etc. and I'm happy to say that if you're interested in asking me questions there is a new forum dedicated to combat sports

http://www.mma-nhb.com

I'm the moderator of the MMA and Judo forums and I'd be happy to help you make your training more successful.

I'm currently training for an upcoming fight on October 14th and I'll be blogging info there.

Take care, train hard.

-Bill Easlick

Asia
08-01-2006, 09:38 AM
I'm currently training for an upcoming fight on October 14th and I'll be blogging info there.

I have a fight on Oct 14 also. But I'm trying to get another before then, I also want to do a SanDa fight because I think I've been favoring grappling too much. (Last half my wins are by submission, got keep things balanced.:D )

Now for my question:

Many MMA fans have long awaited the return of the entity know as "Old Vitor." It appears the seconding of this being is not coming. Given his last two fights, is Frank Mir the new Vitor?

Knifefighter
08-01-2006, 09:52 AM
Here's one for you:
Is your fight with Abel still on?
If so, when and where?

ShaolinTiger00
08-01-2006, 10:03 AM
I have a fight on Oct 14 also. But I'm trying to get another before then, I also want to do a SanDa fight because I think I've been favoring grappling too much. (Last half my wins are by submission, got keep things balanced.:D )

Now for my question:

Many MMA fans have long awaited the return of the entity know as "Old Vitor." It appears the seconding of this being is not coming. Given his last two fights, is Frank Mir the new Vitor?

I like Frank, but he's no Vitor..


Here's one for you:
Is your fight with Abel still on?
If so, when and where?

I doubt it KF. The problem is he'll just keep pushing it back and giving reasons why he couldn't travel etc..

and I'm moving forward. I'm going to spend time training for actual fights that will occur and that's the difference between us. I fight. He doesn't. talk is cheap.

PangQuan
08-01-2006, 11:14 AM
have you considered traveling to meet him?

ShaolinTiger00
08-01-2006, 12:05 PM
I said I would and I even contacted a venue less than 10 mi. from him that was having an event during the time frame he agreed on, but he kept backing out and pushing the date back.

I want to fight people who also want to fight! The whole point is to compete so that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to keep fighting.

Asia
08-01-2006, 12:14 PM
I like Frank, but he's no Vitor..

So we shouldn't wait for the second coming of "Old Frank"?

ShaolinTiger00
08-01-2006, 12:48 PM
Frank was never "great" imho so there isn't really much to go back to. He had 2 mediocre performances vs. Wes and a pretty easy sub on Tim Sylvia a guy with 4' arms.

"old" vitor beat guys liike Silva, Herring, Couture.. and he did it with impressive fashion!

lkfmdc
08-01-2006, 01:06 PM
"old" vitor beat guys liike Silva, Herring, Couture.. and he did it with impressive fashion!

What alternate bizarro universe are you living in? Randy spanked Vitor both fights!!!!

ShaolinTiger00
08-01-2006, 01:37 PM
D'oh. that's right!.. :o

well still addd Yvel, Matsui, etc. and he was a phenomenon in that time.

Asia
08-01-2006, 02:47 PM
So we **** the false god Mir and keep waiting for the return of "Old" Vitor.
(I realize this would be a much funnier joke on MMA.tv)

hung-le
08-01-2006, 11:43 PM
ok,,,, I got a question for all you MMA types


How's the injury factor in MMA....

When I was in the military I had a friend who wrestled a lot...
His back was screwed up hard core....bad disk obviously this was at an early age...sucked the high hog....

My father in law missed the 1952 Olympics in wrestlng, by one man...wrestled very seriously for many years...

His back is so bad He has to sleep proped up on his side ....(takes a **** load of pain meds...to boot ...

I've read that ...Frank Shamrocks back is wasted, same goes for Royce Gracie's


I can't help thinking that your bodies are under some serious stress ...yet, I could be wrong.... I've read its a safe sport as far as fatalities, but what about BS injuries........I look at boxing and its long term effects....I look at the long term effects in wrestling.. ......sport fighting seems to have both.....and it isn't like pro football with the giant payday...and even then I question "is the giant payday worth it?


that old saying "damage done in your youth comes back to haunt you in spades.. seeing my father in law.. really brings that home.....

what's up?

is thier a high injury factor...?

How long do most of you plan to compete?

SifuAbel
08-02-2006, 07:50 AM
I like Frank, but he's no Vitor..



I doubt it KF. The problem is he'll just keep pushing it back and giving reasons why he couldn't travel etc..

and I'm moving forward. I'm going to spend time training for actual fights that will occur and that's the difference between us. I fight. He doesn't. talk is cheap.

I see my fans are still masterbating to my picture. And KF is the lead wanker.

my questions
So are you still a motorcycle tire on the hip wearing uncle fester? Are you going to put any muscle on those twig legs of yours? While you are moving forward does you belly jiggle alot? Its noble that you are training to lose another fight. So how are you going to lose the next one, KO, submission?

David Jamieson
08-02-2006, 08:00 AM
ok,,,, I got a question for all you MMA types


How's the injury factor in MMA....

When I was in the military I had a friend who wrestled a lot...
His back was screwed up hard core....bad disk obviously this was at an early age...sucked the high hog....

My father in law missed the 1952 Olympics in wrestlng, by one man...wrestled very seriously for many years...

His back is so bad He has to sleep proped up on his side ....(takes a **** load of pain meds...to boot ...

I've read that ...Frank Shamrocks back is wasted, same goes for Royce Gracie's


I can't help thinking that your bodies are under some serious stress ...yet, I could be wrong.... I've read its a safe sport as far as fatalities, but what about BS injuries........I look at boxing and its long term effects....I look at the long term effects in wrestling.. ......sport fighting seems to have both.....and it isn't like pro football with the giant payday...and even then I question "is the giant payday worth it?


that old saying "damage done in your youth comes back to haunt you in spades.. seeing my father in law.. really brings that home.....

what's up?

is thier a high injury factor...?

How long do most of you plan to compete?

Injuries can be expected to be higher in an environment where the application of what is learned is more of the focus than not.

any place that puts a lot of emphasis on application of martial art will naturally have a higher injury number than those places that do not emphasize applcation so much.

in either of these, some injuries are sustained because of mistakes, the wrong move, zigging when one should be zagging etc etc.

In cma, in my experience, the harder contact application of what is taught is only allowed to people who can demonstrate an understanding of what they are doing to a degree of some proficiency and so, injuries are reduced.

In mma, mat time is almost immediate in the training cycle, opening the door to less experienced and less knowledgable people learning the hard way.

It's a trade off, although it is my opinion that a person will learn how to fight quicker in an environment that emphasizes contact with more frequency and more intention.

In any martial training there are risks of injury. Those risks are reduced with mindfulness payed to those with less experience and ability.

Asia
08-02-2006, 08:19 AM
How's the injury factor in MMA....

Pretty much the same as any other strenous sport.


When I was in the military I had a friend who wrestled a lot...
His back was screwed up hard core....bad disk obviously this was at an early age...sucked the high hog....

My father in law missed the 1952 Olympics in wrestlng, by one man...wrestled very seriously for many years...

His back is so bad He has to sleep proped up on his side ....(takes a **** load of pain meds...to boot ...

I think its just the luck. I wrestled in the Army, did Judo, boxed, MMA, etc I never had a serious injury and my back is fine, if I don't strain it during conditioning. However there are others in my gym that have had nagging back problems along with other things.


I can't help thinking that your bodies are under some serious stress ...yet, I could be wrong.... I've read its a safe sport as far as fatalities, but what about BS injuries........I look at boxing and its long term effects....I look at the long term effects in wrestling.. ......sport fighting seems to have both.....and it isn't like pro football with the giant payday...and even then I question "is the giant payday worth it?

MMA is safer than alot of other sport with only one fatality to its name, that was mainly do to preexisting condition. Still its a COMBAT Sport so there is going pain. Its not for everyone and, I know I might catch flack for this, its not suppose to be.not everyone is meant to be a warrior or fighter. Many pple study combat (MA) but few really have the knack for it. So those who do compete have a love for it.


How long do most of you plan to compete?
Until they drag my broken body out the cage or off the mat.

hung-le
08-02-2006, 08:31 AM
Injuries can be expected to be higher in an environment where the application of what is learned is more of the focus than not.


Ah yea,,,duh..... I figured you had to pay to play in MMA ....but at what cost? Like football? Like boxing? What? do you do MMA? How long you expect to compete?

Are guys walking away after ten years like my father in law?

I do full contact western heavy weapons fighting... about 20 years ) In this, like any serious art, you have to forfeit a part of your body to the cause. (its something you tend to think about when have some years on you.....)

I’m just wondering how much MMA have to give to their discipline?

David Jamieson
08-02-2006, 10:05 AM
I use some mma type training in what I do.
I haven't been into competition for some time now but used to in boxing and in tkd.

Boxing was definitely higher ratio of injury due to the nature of the competition vs the nature of competitive tkd.

In the kungfu school I went to we didn't compete regularly and so I can't speak to it, besides, kungfu competitions don't put much emphasis on the fighting part and tend to be more heavily flavoured with forms competition where injury is pretty low...unless you strain yourself or something. :)

Citong Shifu
08-02-2006, 10:47 AM
I agree with DJ & asia, most of the time it comes down to luck and just having the knack for this style of fighting. On the other hand, I'm a CMA and as DJ posted, we normally train the more physical aspects of applications when the proper undrstanding and conditioning has been aquired.... Me, I'm in no hurry so the CMA way of doing this type of training was good for me. I know other who habe just wanted to get in the ring and go for it. I guess its really up to the person and what they want. Taking time and building the body strong and fit is always more beneficial than jumping into the ring and going for it. Anywho, different strokes for different folks. However, injuries sustained early on in ones training always seem to show themselves later in a more serious fashion. We just have to be careful and listen to the coach or instructor. Condition the body first, make it strong & flexibile. Build strength & endurance then start working with the more stressful applications. I found this method to be far more universal with small ratio of minor injuries. 95% of the time. There's always the oooops factor, lol.

Take care.
Sifu Ron

ShaolinTiger00
08-02-2006, 01:44 PM
hung le I'd be happy to answer any q's in the forum.