why is there no contemporary wushu forum ?

[golden arhat]

considering there is a lot of it in the magazine

[lunghushan]

Maybe because most CMA is in denial that they pretty much are just wushu?

[GeneChing]

We've discussed it a little. We inherited this forum years ago and only added our Kung Fu Tai Chi Magazine & KungFuMagazine.com Forum (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=17). All the forums were active, so we didn't make that many changes so as not to be too disruptive to the membership when we came on board. We get a lot of people asking about new forums (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41205), and that's great, but we just aren't adding anything at this time. Frankly, for wushu, we're neighbors to Berkeley and jiayo dominates when it comes to wushu forums, so we defer to Raffi on that. At one point, when that site needed to be updated, we offered to host it, but it was declined (and I admire that integrity). You'll notice that it's one of the only forums outside this one that I occasionally post on.

[David Jamieson]

Gene, I don't know why you bothered to respond to what amounts to nothing but vitriol.

How many issues you got golden? In my collection of KFM, there are relatively few articles about anything contemporary wushu. Mostly trad players.

[lunghushan]

Judging by that Berkeley tournament a lot of people do wushu.

[FuXnDajenariht]

he was jus askin a question dave. chill out. have a brew. drinks on me.

[MasterKiller]

I thought the Shaolin forum was for wushu players. :p

[GeneChing]

Actually we run more modern wushu than any other magazine on the newsstands today. We support CMA in all it's manifestations. In fact, you *must* see our next issue - there's a lot of wushu in it and I think traditionalists are really going to like it. That'll be our NOV DEC '06. Subscribe now. (http://www.martialartsmart.net/19341.html) ;)

[Eddie]

Gene, I don't know why you bothered to respond to what amounts to nothing but vitriol.



Never took you for the selfish type DJ. I wouldn’t mind a modern wushu forum either. Don’t practice that, just wouldn’t mind reading about their training methods and stuff. :cool:

[David Jamieson]

Eddie -

His post was a jab, not a comment or question.

[golden arhat]

and it doesnt hurt anyones feelings (unless ur that petty ).

and if u look through the magazine u will see tony chen countless times in it (a wushu player) plus on all the tiger claw tournament coverage articles there are discussions on wushu and people seen doing wushu .there are letters complaining about wushu and countless discussions on its inclusion in the 2008 beijing olympics and that is just off the top of my head read into it and there is even more . i wont tell u how many issues ive got as im not going into an " im holier than thou " (***** measuring ) compettition with u ...im above that taking into consideration im 15 and u r HOW OLD come on mate grow up .



calm down ,dont get insulted, and learn some humility .... for all our sakes

[David Jamieson]

Tony Chen a wushu player? You sure about that? Maybe he has a handle on the compulsory curriculum as a lot of trad teachers do these days.

Anyway, I percieved it as a jab becasue of the terseness of how it was written. It reads as a snide comment really.

No peeing contest at all, just pointing out that wushu is not the main body of the magazine over the years and if it gets weighed up, it's mostly trad stuff and not contemporary wushu focused although I would say that it is probably the only magazine where you will find props given to contemporary players.

they deserve exposure too seeing as technically they are under the banner of Chinese martial arts.

age has little to do with what's observable and a lot to do with perception.

[golden arhat]

im just saying that i dont think wushu is adequately represented on THIS FORUM

anyway im finished arguing if u were offended im sorry

[GeneChing]

Most of the stuff Tony does personally is traditional O-mei, baji, xingyi, mizong, and sanda. He can teach modern wushu, but I've never seen him do an aerial or a barrel roll (which is not to say he doesn't do them, I've just never seen him do one and I've been under him for several years now). I certainly wouldn't classify Tony Chen as modern wushu. My window to practice modern wushu is long past and it would be a waste of time for me to be training under Tony if that's what he emphasized.

What's probably confusing you is Tony's O-Mei Academies. He has several top wushu people on his teaching staff though like Li Xue, Ding Wei, Gao Jie, Zhao Haitao, and more. The kids all play wushu and that makes up for the bulk of our student body. O-Mei has produced a lot of champions and dominated the local tournament scene, but few of those are Tony's direct students. Mostly, they're students of Ding Wei (Tiffany Reyes is a classic example). O-Mei also has sanda champs on staff like Sam Looc and Song Peng, plus four new champions that tony is grooming for MMA (one just fought last weekend but was not familiar enough with the rules yet and lost when his Muay Thai based opponent cut his face open). Plus there's some Tai Chi specialists like Dr. Johnny Jang and Peng Wen. And we've just added two Shaolin disciples, Yanfei and Yanxing. So it's quite a range.

But back to your original question, golden arhat, most of the members of this forum are more traditionally oriented, so almost every wushu discussions get flamed. If you want to talk wushu, jiayo is the place. Just remember to plug the magazine when you're over there. Here, they complain that's there too much wushu in KFTC. There, they complain that there isn't enough. :rolleyes:

I'm serious about the next issue. It's got a lot of wushu in it. And a lot of traditional. I'll be eager to see how it is received.

[Mano Mano]

In fact, you *must* see our next issue - there's a lot of wushu in it
one reason good reason I won't br buying that issue then

[GeneChing]

Also reread my 8th post on this thread (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=700861&postcount=8):

I think traditionalists are really going to like it. I mean that. When you see it on the newsstand in a month, you'll see what I mean. Trust me, I know what I'm doing here. ;)

[Mano Mano]

Gene
I’ve seen a lot of contemporary wushu over the years here in the UK & I’ m not convinced about the wushu one size fits all.
I’d rather do, watch or read about any martial arts that are based on practical technique rather than Beijing Opera.
I’ve been a CLF practitioner for more years that I’d admit to for instance I’d rather watch two high level Wing Chun practitioners doing chi sao to some very boring to watch, but really interesting when you see them controlling & programming where their their opponents next move is going to be.

[GeneChing]

What if I got some leading figures in the wushu world to renounce modern wushu?

[Mano Mano]

May be, may be not.
If its on the stand I might have a look but guarantee of a sale.

[PangQuan]

5 bucks says mano mano at least reads it if not buys it.

[GeneChing]

...and for the record, there's plenty of other articles that are traditionally-oriented in this upcoming issue. There's only two features that focus on wushu (although one is the cover story) and two news items, but the rest of it is solid traditional. I'm looking forward to your reactions, as always.

[lunghushan]

Something has been bothering me about MA magazines. I used to read them more, but in recent (okay, past 10 or so) years haven't really bought them much.

It's the format ... with the Internet you can view videos really quickly, download stuff and no problem. But with a print magazine you can't really do that, sure you can read it on the bus or train or something but you have to hop on the Internet to try to find their sites.

It seems like what would be really useful would be an e-zine like you have, but instead totally mimicking the content of the print magazine, so you can go to the e-zine version and read the articles, click on videos and all of that.

[GeneChing]

It used to be that our print magazine supported our e-zine, but those tables have turned and continue to turn for the world of print publishing. Magazines are a dying media. E-zines are constantly growing. Why do you think I spend so much time on the forum? Ok, I know, shirking work just like the rest of you. :p Seriously though, there's nothing more gratifying than seeing our forum come out above someone's 'official' site on a google or yahoo search. ;)

[golden arhat]

i wont be able to by my beloved kfm eventually then
nothing to collect
nothing to read on the bus or the train nothing to cut out and stick on my wall nothing to stick in my scrap book

im sad now

[Su Lin]

Can you get it in print in the UK ? I find that Martial Arts Illustrated is too full of scantily clad ladies and big tough guys for my liking!

[GeneChing]

This whole "I'm not buying the next issue because it has wushu in it" is a remarkable demonstration of close-mindedness, the kind that is killing martial arts now. Or perhaps, it's an example of how poorly some people read the forum. Well, there's a lot of noise here, so I can't say I blame them for that. I don't read it that carefully myself. I think if you do, it would rot your mind.

But just for discussion's sake (this is a discussion forum after all) let's go back to my last few posts. I said it had a lot of wushu in it. I also said "I think traditionalists are really going to like it" and "some leading figures in the wushu world to renounce modern wushu". Now, given those statements, one could imply that this is presentation on wushu is not a pro-wushu article. One might even imply that these said features are anti-wushu. I also said
...and for the record, there's plenty of other articles that are traditionally-oriented in this upcoming issue. There's only two features that focus on wushu (although one is the cover story) and two news items, but the rest of it is solid traditional. I'm looking forward to your reactions, as always. I'm not looking forward to reactions of people who don't bother to engage the mag just because there might be negative wushu articles in it. That's just absurd. Has your rejection of modern wushu become so absolute that you will deny anything that mentions wushu at all? Think before you answer this because it might be a trick question. It might be a trap. :p

[golden arhat]

it comes out far too late but we d get it i plan like a month in advance when im going to get it lol
i think wushu has its place alongside trad martial arts and wushu is based in traditional so maybe through wushu we can get a better understanding of our own arts people are so set in there ways that they cant see that wushu has alot to offer the martial arts community
why do u think people are so afraid of wushu ?

[Su Lin]

Where can you get it from in the North West/Lancashire?

[golden arhat]

i can get it all over oldham and greater manchester it stays on the shelf for along time u can probably get it in leeds i think the ppl that distribute it are called comag so look that up u have a good chance of finding it in chain news agents (not whsmith tho)
id travel to buy it its worth it :D

[GeneChing]

We're actually distributed in some 40+ countries, although some of those places only get a few dozens issues. Foreign distribution of American publications is quite bizarre. I get semi-weekly reports on how each issue is doing and on some of them, there's this little catagory for foreign. That number is pretty stable. What it means (as in where those issues go) is quite a mystery.

For the record, Canada is not considered part of foreign distribution. It's in a catagory all by itself and we do quite well there, which always amazes me since we can't ship staffs (http://www.martialartsmart.net/Staffs.html) to Canada.

[golden arhat]

i think u should start promoting it more in the uk
u would do better than the other publications here most of which have an obsession with mma, kickboxing and new martial arts fads
plus there are thousands of us kung fu ppl here (especially in manchester where there is a massive chinese community there are more cma clubs here than any other martial art that i know of (muay thai is very popular here also) and ur magazine is better written than anything here also

[Mano Mano]

I'm not looking forward to reactions of people who don't bother to engage the mag just because there might be negative wushu articles in it. That's just absurd. Has your rejection of modern wushu become so absolute that you will deny anything that mentions wushu at all? Think before you answer this because it might be a trick question. It might be a trap.

I don't deny anything that mentions wushu, I just believe the wushu authorities in China have the agenda that every thing to do with Chinese martial arts has to be standardized, done their way whether it has martial value or not.
If you want a good meal do you go to your nearest McDonalds same standard burger in every country around the world or to the good little family restaurant on the corner with the excellent cook.

[lunghushan]

The thing that bothers me about modern wushu is lots of teachers from China want to get paid for just teaching forms. And they are clueless of the applications of the forms.

That being said, I recently got a video of Helen Liang and she is very good. Is it just wushu? Well, they don't cover the applications of the form, so I guess it is just wushu.

That being said, she does a pretty good job with the form, and there is a certain grace to her execution. She's also not too bad looking, and she puts on a good performance. Which is pretty amazing considering she had cancer and all.

Anyway, I wouldn't dispose of a magazine just because it had wushu in it. The only reason I don't subscribe to the magazine is because I don't want to get on the mailing list and receive another ton of junk mail. :)

[GeneChing]

Here's the cover story of our latest issue, the one on wushu that I said the traditionalists might enjoy.


Where Wushu Went Wrong
Wushu's Leading Champion, Zhao Changjun, Extols Traditional (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=679)

Another piece in the NOV DEC 2006 (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=680) in a similar vein is Wushu's New Difficulties: American Wushu Pioneer Master Bryant Fong Speaks Out.

[The Xia]

My idea would be to have a Northern Kung Fu forum. Sure, we have a Shaolin forum, but allot of Northern styles don't fit there so they are stuck in the main forum (although some people do put non-Shaolin northern styles in the Shaolin forum). My idea would be to change the name of the Shaolin forum to the "Northern and Shaolin Kung Fu forum" or something along those lines. Makes things easier.
That's my two cents.

[golden arhat]

very nice lookin forward to the mag this month havnt got it yet
maybe we could have a nanquan / southern weapons division in the southern chinese kung fu forum and a a long fist/ other wushu styles in a northern forum or the kung fu forum ?
just a suggestion what do u reckon gene
nice one for the article

[GeneChing]

A big thing with making a new forum would be to move all the related old threads into the new one. That would be a lot of work. Moving threads is easy, but digging through the archives takes time. Maybe some day we'll so some reorganizing but it's way on the backburner.

[The Xia]

I don't feel we necessarily need a new forum for Northern Kung Fu. Just changing the name of the Shaolin forum to the "Northern and Shaolin Kung Fu forum" would work.

[Shaolinlueb]

**** dave relax a bit man.


Tony Chen a wushu player? You sure about that? Maybe he has a handle on the compulsory curriculum as a lot of trad teachers do these days.

Anyway, I percieved it as a jab becasue of the terseness of how it was written. It reads as a snide comment really.

No peeing contest at all, just pointing out that wushu is not the main body of the magazine over the years and if it gets weighed up, it's mostly trad stuff and not contemporary wushu focused although I would say that it is probably the only magazine where you will find props given to contemporary players.

they deserve exposure too seeing as technically they are under the banner of Chinese martial arts.

age has little to do with what's observable and a lot to do with perception.

[Green Cloud]

Does anyone know why the (should SD have it's owm forum) thread has been locked:confused:

First it was moved from the KF forum then locked is there something I'm missing??

I didn't notice any flaming on this thread and not even a warning from Jean or a moderator.

I don't mean to hi jack this thread but the two seem to have a similar question.

[The Xia]

Gene probably wanted to confine all Shaolin Do talk to the main Shaolin Do thread on the Shaolin forum.
Wow that's three Shaolins in one sentence. :eek:

[Green Cloud]

Gene probably wanted to confine all Shaolin Do talk to the main Shaolin Do thread on the Shaolin forum.
Wow that's three Shaolins in one sentence. :eek:

HMMMM I understand but why have it moved to this forum then locked??
The conversations on this thread were pretty generic, in fact the last page was about preying mantis.

I think there are evil forces at work here:eek:

[The Xia]

My answer to that would be it's because Gene's new Shaolin Do policy was enacted after the thread was moved. So the rules changed. I guess we'll have to wait for Gene to answer. I wonder what he'll say about these alleged evil forces! :eek:

[Green Cloud]

HMMMM I can only wonder

[sunfist]

The poll has angered them, as we approach sam hain and the fabric between the realm of the living and the realm of the dead draws thinner, they will come.



They will come.

[golden arhat]

can we get back to wushu now ? :)

[GeneChing]

He must have actually read what I posted on that thread. I drew a line in the sand about the course of the discussion limiting it to new forum possibilities. That line was crossed so the thread was locked.

We've been having more complaints about issues with Shaolin Do lately (mostly bruised egos *in both camps*) so in order to contain it for the time being, we're limiting the discussion to that mammoth thread on the Shaolin forum. It's the biggest, most active thread on the forum. What more do you want?

[golden arhat]

well a wushu forum for 1 lol
but u lot knew that already lol

[sunfist]

I wouldnt mind icecream...

[golden arhat]

dont dsatrt askin for random stuff ppl
lets keep it to the topic
i could use ice cream tho

[sunfist]

No offense dude, but do you think Gene is suddenly going to relent, admit its all a lie, and create a forum for wushu?

The question has been asked and answered. Repeating the question does little but burn bandwidth and therefore put KFM ultimately ****her from the goal of being able to host more forums. If you want to take a proactive approach I would suggest you do some creative thinking and come up ideas to make the proposition of a general wushu forum a more attractive one from the point of view of the staff, i would be lying to say i think it would work, but theres nothing against trying.

Furthermore, where is my ice cream?

[golden arhat]

i'm going to leave this thread till someone comes up with something better to say

[GeneChing]

...ok, actually it's because I'm lactose intolerant.

I'm actually into the idea of running a contemporary wushu forum personally, although there's no way we could match Jiayo. In my best case fantasy scenario, Jiayo gets too big for their current administration to handle and they turn it over to us. We'd be happy to host it keeping the same moderators. I'd like to do a northern forum too. Maybe someday.

[golden arhat]

but i'm buddhist so i dont feel the need

[Green Cloud]

He must have actually read what I posted on that thread. I drew a line in the sand about the course of the discussion limiting it to new forum possibilities. That line was crossed so the thread was locked.

We've been having more complaints about issues with Shaolin Do lately (mostly bruised egos *in both camps*) so in order to contain it for the time being, we're limiting the discussion to that mammoth thread on the Shaolin forum. It's the biggest, most active thread on the forum. What more do you want?

Sorry Jean didn't mean to upset you but as a traditionalist I have an intrest in keeping the Kung Fu in Kung Fu.

I see your point about debating about SD on their thread but I prefer more of a nutral playing field.

After all the SD thread is a private thread, you know for SD people only. Why bother debating on that thread. Anyway you know what I mean.

[GeneChing]

If there were, you wouldn't see them, because they would be private. We do have a function to set up private threads, but we don't use it. The forum is only neutral for people of no opinion. The whole point of it is to discuss and debate. Unfortunately, few members here have good debating skills and like most open forums, we're lousy with trolls, but that's part of the game.

We've been having a lot of complaints about Shaolin Do discussions. In reaction to this, I've contained the discussion to that thread for the time being. I do beleive that the validity of Shaolin Do is an interesting debate but people tend to get so emotional and/or drag in all sorts of personal attacks. That has to be monitored and the easiest way for us to monitor it is to contain it. The next option is to start banning, locking and deleting, but people seem to be playing nice for now.

[golden arhat]

would u say has good debating skills on here
wait scratch that who s the best poster would u say gene ?

[golden arhat]

No offense dude, but do you think Gene is suddenly going to relent, admit its all a lie, and create a forum for wushu?

The question has been asked and answered. Repeating the question does little but burn bandwidth and therefore put KFM ultimately ****her from the goal of being able to host more forums. If you want to take a proactive approach I would suggest you do some creative thinking and come up ideas to make the proposition of a general wushu forum a more attractive one from the point of view of the staff, i would be lying to say i think it would work

well okay how many people train in both wushu and trad
how many people like to mess about with wushu jumps and tricks
how many like to use the same sort of flair in thair performances e.g. dramatic head turning and posing and such
what about the new training methods developed for wushu but equally applicable anywhere else e.g. jiang ban juns smart bomb article with his own stretching and technique advice and his superb analysis of xubu ( which i found extremely useful thanx for that )
further more how many people on here do other arts which arent even chinese martial arts they get there own forum
then why not trad kung fu's closest cousin ?

also think of the debates that could happen there for instance arguments about communist china's support for wushu

[Green Cloud]

If there were, you wouldn't see them, because they would be private. We do have a function to set up private threads, but we don't use it. The forum is only neutral for people of no opinion. The whole point of it is to discuss and debate. Unfortunately, few members here have good debating skills and like most open forums, we're lousy with trolls, but that's part of the game.

We've been having a lot of complaints about Shaolin Do discussions. In reaction to this, I've contained the discussion to that thread for the time being. I do beleive that the validity of Shaolin Do is an interesting debate but people tend to get so emotional and/or drag in all sorts of personal attacks. That has to be monitored and the easiest way for us to monitor it is to contain it. The next option is to start banning, locking and deleting, but people seem to be playing nice for now.

Hi Jean, I was only kidding about the SD thread being private and I believe that Ingcao's thread about SD was done in jest. No harm no foul but I understand your position.

As far as debate goes I can see how some discussions can get realy heated. I don't think that anyone was realy serious about an SD forum infact I spoke to several members of this little community and everyone was happy to bring some SD people out of their thread to the Kung Fu forum so that the topic could be discussed more objectively.

I as many other bewildered Kung Fu people stumbled onto the SD tread tittled IS SD real??? I found myself dealing with very angry devout SD people and then I gave up and left even though I felt I conducted my self with restraint and poise.

To ask guys/ gals to go debate on the SD thead is like trying to convince a suicide bomber that their are no virgins awaiting them in heaven. It's simply a waste of time to debate on a thread that might as well be private.

I understand that you have a magazine to run and the bottom line is important but like said before I'm a traditionalist like others and I have an interest in keeping the Kung Fu in Kung Fu.

I also understand that traditional Kung Fu is like a like a small drop in a sea of popular MA. Quite frankly Their are more of them then there are of us and when it comes to magazine sales well let say I get the point.

[GeneChing]

golden arhat: To quote Rosanne Rosannadana, 'you ask a lotta questions'. But for fun, I'll answer:
- The best poster is relative to the subject and I'm not about to go giving out titles here. Not my job. The good debaters are also a matter of opinion. To me, they're self evident, but that's just my opinion. If I was to endorse anyone, I'd acknowledge all our moderators and our writers. :D

- The line between traditional and modern wushu is very grey. It's like distinguishing black people from white people. Sure, there are definitely people that are easy to characterize, but there are so many mixes. Only the simple minded draw lines here and I find most racists and separatists to be very simple minded. But speaking of JBJ, did you read the accompanying e-zine article? Check out Right Under Your Nose All Along by Nargis Fontaine (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=668)
One thing most traditionalists don't consider is that there is a longstanding tradition for performance CMA like modern wushu, not only in Peking Opera, but also within the Jianghu. Flamboyant, non-combat moves have been with us for centuries within traditional martial arts. And it's always been an issue - you can look at centuries-old criticisms of the state of martial arts and you hear the same thing. So the line traditionalists should draw really isn't the separation of traditional vs. modern. It's more of combat vs. dance. Combat will always be there because humans will always love to fight. Dance will always be there because humans will always aspire to art. Personally, I think the argument is a waste of breath... but it does sell magazines...;)

- We actually inherited this forum from Steve Creel and Kung Fu Online. Maintaining a forum of this size can get expensive. There are server fees and IT wages. He couldn't afford to keep it, so we took it over. Steve set up the original forum based on his interest, which is why we have a Mantis forum. When we took it over, we didn't want to disrupt the community that was already here (it was part of the agreement with Steve) so we only added a few forums such as this TC Media forum, the TCM forum and maybe another. It was a while ago. I can't really remember the details.

Green Cloud: Why do you keep calling me Jean? I'm not french or a girl. :p
The SD forum suggestion came when the SD wars were troublesome, so I transferred it to this forum, since I think the topic of new forums belongs here. We get new forum suggestions every once in a while, and like the SD issues, I like to keep them in one place.

[golden arhat]

i see your points and they are very valid
i wish KFM all the best u take over the world keep your magazine the best arund
i hope u come to the uk and get big enough to afford more forums and such
i hope u incorporate jiayo eventually and dont sell out to a massive evil corporation
i hope that u keep this magazine this personal and relative to the readers ( i think that its really cool tht i can talk to someone very high up in the magazine and that u respond to everyone i rle appreciate that ) so in other words
do well get big and put up more forums (eventually lol) :D

[Green Cloud]

Sorry Gene;) I wasn't being a wise ass, my mother in laws name is Jean and yes it's short for Jeanie.

Is Gene short for Eugene:p I'l just call you Mr. Ching from now on, hows that:D

[David Jamieson]

~G

you bring up a pretty funny point regarding contention in validity of martial arts.

It brings to mind the treatise by George Silver from 1599 about the decay of sword arts in europe. lol

even the euros didn't like flashy non combative stuff back in the day.

anywho, i can only imagine all the guys trained in trad that have kmt sympathizer teachers just getting bombastic on a wu shu forum. It would explode into a million pieces in the first week.

or maybe not.

[GeneChing]

That's exactly my point, KL. If you read history, the debate about against flamboyant non-combative styles is part of every martial tradition. This further weakens the old argument that it poses any threat to the perpetuation traditional arts. It's more about fighters belly-aching about the pretty boys.

GC - wait that's my initials - yes, Gene is short for Eugene. But I usually go by Gene in the martial circles, or one of my Chinese names - definately not Mr. Ching. There are two Mr. Chings here at Tiger Claw (http://www.tigerclaw.com) so that gets a bit confusing. Actually, the other Ching is leaving, so I am the only one now.

[Green Cloud]

Yea I know what you mean Gene in my case it's my first name, just go into any diner in NY and ask for Gus.

[sunfist]

I am obviously both the best poster and in posession of the sharpest debating skills.

O that men for their defence would but give their mind to practice the true fight indeed and learn to bear true Chinese wards for their defence, which if they had it in perfect practice, I speak it of my own knowledge that those imperfect PRC devices with running jumps and flying kicks would be clean cast aside and of no account of all such as blind affections do not lead beyond the bounds of reason.

[golden arhat]

but what am i
the best debater on here see lol :p

[GeneChing]

sunfist, golden arhat, I'm still trying to find the verb in your posts above. :p

[golden arhat]

:p :p i must retreat to the mountains and search for a master who can teach me the 108 invincible debating skills of death lol

[golden arhat]

right its been a while
so gene
can we get one now ??

[bodhitree]

If you want a wushu forum I suggest you go to an "alternative lifestyle" forum.

Just joking:p

[GeneChing]

Look at our present cover (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=693), hitting the newsstands right now. That's Wu Bin, considered by many to be the father of modern wushu. Do you see any discussion threads about him on our forum anywhere?

Now go look at Jiayo (http://www.jiayo.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4459). They've already got a thread started, dated Jan 31st. Fast little dudes, those wushu guys, aren't they? If you want to talk wushu in depth, go over to Jiayo. They rock for wushu.

Obviously, those 108 invincible debating skills of death need some more polishing. ;)

[Hishaam]

Not that i'm in a better spot as far as "debating" skills are concerned but Gene's last comment made me feel embarrassed don't know why but it did :o , hey man, most people here if not all people in here are into "hardcore on the ground" CMA :p , also for my defence i don't have access to KFM in my home country as i used to when i was in Canada............., dang why am i justifying myself

[GeneChing]

I'm not clear on your comment, Hishaam. Are you feeling embarrassed because you're a hardcore on the ground CMA dude and could care less about wushu or because you're a wushu dude that didn't comment on the post. It doesn't really matter. Don't be embarrassed ;)

Remember when we had the race for the reviews of the new issue on this forum? I really enjoyed those.

[Hishaam]

I'm not clear on your comment, Hishaam. Are you feeling embarrassed because you're a hardcore on the ground CMA dude and could care less about wushu or because you're a wushu dude that didn't comment on the post. It doesn't really matter. Don't be embarrassed ;)

Remember when we had the race for the reviews of the new issue on this forum? I really enjoyed those.

About the hardcore comment, i was kidding, i'm no martial art "nazi", i do appreciate the efforts those guys make to get to perform the way they do. I mean the key word is respect. By embarassed, i meant since we're members of the KFM forums, we should've been the first to debate about that story.

PS: I train in Wing Chun

[GeneChing]

Looks like the last issue discussion thread was on our SEP OCT 06 (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43064). I tried to get one going on the next one, our NOV DEC 06 (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44344), but given my negative start, it didn't go far. It actually went ****her on Jiayo again. That thread might as well be merged into this one, but I keep hoping some one will post on it. The JAN FEB 07 got discusses in fragments on the Shaolin forum (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=6) although it didn't really get that deep. That surprised me because the Shaolin special is usually discussed more in depth.

But still, our tradition of discussing new issues on this forum seems to be disappearing, much to my personal chagrin. I hope that some members will revive this soon. I really enjoy the feedback.

[ngokfei]

Since there is such heavy coverage of Contemporary Wushu by the Magazine, shouldn't we have an area to accomodate it.

It was only just now with the recent issue did I recorgnize that it was lacking here.

[MasterKiller]

The Shaolin forum is the wushu forum.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

No, you are wrong, the Shaolin Forum is for Kempo discussions. :p

[ngokfei]

see what I mean.:rolleyes:

Shaolin should be for the art taught at the shaolin temple and its relatives.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

No, it should be for Kempo and Shaolin Do.

Who wants to talk about real Shaolin Kung Fu? Especially on a forum labled "Shaolin?"

That would make just too much sense !! :D

[MasterKiller]

Who wants to talk about real Shaolin Kung Fu? Especially on a forum labled "Shaolin?"

Shaolin kung fu is wushu, silly.,

[WinterPalm]

Shaolin forum.

Next question.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Shaolin kung fu is wushu, silly.,

Reply]
Are you sure? Based on what I actually SEE on the Shaolin form, Shaolin is all about Kempo and Sin The.

[ngokfei]

okay you brain duds:confused:

now lets get this put into something the joker and the literal can understand

Kung Fu Forum = anything goes area

Shaolin Forum = the material taught at the shaolin temple or its relatives.

Wushu Forum = Contemporary Sport (ie: compulsories and nandu)

got it;)

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Shaolin Forum = the material taught at the shaolin temple or its relatives

Reply]
But what about all the Shaolin Do, Kempo related threads on the Shaolin forum? Those are the biggest, most active threads on that forum. The real shaolin discussions take a backseat to that stuff every time.

[shuaichiao]

okay you brain duds:confused:

now lets get this put into something the joker and the literal can understand

Kung Fu Forum = anything goes area

Shaolin Forum = the material taught at the shaolin temple or its relatives.

Wushu Forum = Contemporary Sport (ie: compulsories and nandu)

got it;)

and we can have a tai zu forum and a hung gar forum and an eagle claw forum and a shuia chiao forum and so on so that we can all sit in our own corner and talk to our selves.

[cjurakpt]

No, you are wrong, the Shaolin Forum is for Kempo discussions. :p

LOL - sad, yet true...

[ngokfei]

Kempo is a relative of Shaolin

I mention a Wushu Forum because the magazine (you know the one supporting this site) tends to have a 50% coverage on Wushu based athletes, competitons and the like. So wouldn't it be viable to have a Forum Section that caters to this audience?:)

As for having a forum for Taizu, Shuai Jiao, etc. Hell that would be great if there were enough people to support it.

If it was up to me I'd re- title the sections to be:

General Discussions

Northern Styles

Southern Styles

Contemporary Wushu

Internal Styles

MMA

Self Defense

etc.:

but its not my site so.........my opinon means nothing:p

[HtownShaolinBum]

okay you brain duds:confused:

now lets get this put into something the joker and the literal can understand

Kung Fu Forum = anything goes area

Shaolin Forum = the material taught at the shaolin temple or its relatives.

Wushu Forum = Contemporary Sport (ie: compulsories and nandu)

got it;)


Don't try to reason with fools on the internet. They have gotten closed minded babbling down to a masterful science.

I took lessons from a Wushu coach that was formerly head coach of the beijing Wushu team, and now I am taking classes from a Shaolin guy. The difference is like night and day.

Before it was a bit of stretching and kicks, then FORMS FORMS FORMS!!!

With the Shaolin guy, it is intense stretching and conditioning, then a bit of forms at the end. I enjoy it alot, but it is very tiring. I have started jogging so that I can get through the warm up without feeling like my lungs are burning and my heart is going to explode.

People can group Shaolin and Wushu if they want, in the end, I enjoy it and dont really care what other shmoes think. I think that alot of people on here spend more time talking crap than they do training.

[cjurakpt]

Kempo is a relative of Shaolin

in a West Virginia, red-headed kinda way, sure...

[Shaolinlueb]

i believe gene doesnt do a wushu forum because there is already another popular wushu forum. i am not going to post the name, but i think he mentioned it before.

[ngokfei]

Perhaps they can just have a link to this Wushu Forum.

Hey where is gene, I'd of thought he would of jumped in by now - it is Tuesday - Must of been some weekend:D

[HtownShaolinBum]

in a West Virginia, red-headed kinda way, sure...

I think you mean Red-necked. I could be wrong.

[shuaichiao]

I think you mean Red-necked. I could be wrong.

Nah, I think he meant like a red headed step child.

[golden arhat]

Since there is such heavy coverage of Contemporary Wushu by the Magazine, shouldn't we have an area to accomodate it.

It was only just now with the recent issue did I recorgnize that it was lacking here.

i already brought this topic up agggesss ago


gene disagrees

[golden arhat]

Shaolin Forum = the material taught at the shaolin temple or its relatives.

got it;)

contemporary wushu is the material taught at the temple

and almost EVERYTHING is related to shaolin

[golden arhat]

my opinon means nothing:p

hit the nail right on the head with that one :)

[SPJ]

wushu still remains as a wide open area or includes many things.

if we are talking about forms competition per se.

it is still evolving.

even thou there are a lot of hype over the beijing olympics.

with high inflation, and worst snow storms in southern china in the last 50 years.

--

not so good english training for people working for the olymics events,

and security issues for the athletes and family

--

wushu as a sport either in san shou, or forms competition.

everything is still evolving, rules will change over time.

--

there are also research and thesis for wushu schools or wushu programs in college up to master degree etc.

--

there are many good research and tv documentary from cctv and all the reseach committe formed from city up to national level.

my point is that wushu as a whole is open to a lot of suggestions from all circles of the society.

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the main thing is still the response from the general public.

as pointed out, the flashy moves may be just to peak the interests of the public. and yet does a disservice that how the moves are related to actual fighting.

--

just to add some thoughts.

;)

[SPJ]

my point is that

a wushu forum would be a very big topic to discuss.

or needs several focused subforums.

such as the current forums on the boards.

--

or wushu form competition may not stand alone without the supports or basis/foundation/roots from tcma or old school cma.

--

:D

[jow yeroc]

Could you imagine another subforum on this site where the toxic fire and
smoke of BS flame wars can spread to and consume. Just think of all the scholarly
and in depth, informative discourse and fellowship to be had about "wushu
not being for fighting", "traditional vs...", "lineage??? or lack thereof", "my sifu
says wushu is...", "the gay pajamas", "why is there no wushu in the ufc", "the
tag 'wushu' and the actual meaning...", "why a spinning 540 barrel roll scissor
drop kick will work in the octagon" blah, blah blech!
Not trying to be a sourpuss but at the end of the day there would prolly be few
actual contemp. wushu people contributing and more of us same mokes arguing
over some trifle that someone feels is the most important and or objectionable
thing in the martial world at that minute.
If Gene considered it before and decided against it, that may be wise on his part.
This is only my opinion ngokfei. I know your intentions are pure.

[ngokfei]

Yeah a Wushu Area wouldn't mean much, now that you've shown me the light:)

But as for Pure Intentions;)

The Fame Wars appears to be the magazines Reality Show. While they publicly look down upon it, there is no real intent to stop it thus maintaining harmony on the forum. Moderators MIA - "WUDE = RUDE":D

[ngokfei]

Here is the old thread on the same topic - wow such enlightened rresponses:D

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42889

[MasterKiller]

Here is the old thread on the same topic - wow such enlightened rresponses:D

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42889

Wow, I used the same joke last time.

[WinterPalm]

Wow, I used the same joke last time.

What joke?



:D

[ngokfei]

I think he meant "sarcastic response".;)

MasterKiller has limited material. He's like that old guy at the family gathering that always says the same joke, year after year:D

[MasterKiller]

I think he meant "sarcastic response".;)

MasterKiller has limited material. He's like that old guy at the family gathering that always says the same joke, year after year:D

That's what she said!

wait...

[GeneChing]

I was away on a weeks vacation. Went up to Lake Tahoe and played in the snow. Nice to know someone noticed.

I've merged this new thread with the previous one. Our position on this remains the same at this time.

[ngokfei]

What a weeks vacation? and I thought you were into suffering;)

Was it a guy thing or did you take the whole family:)


Just think of it Gene. If you had a separate forum for Wushu Players then they would have done better at the World Games:p

Just Kidding. Even though this is probably our worst showing to date.

What's up with that? I thought the talent was getting up there.

Are the Nandu's really the issue?

As far as the Sanshou/Sanda I know for a fact that we have some really good fighters but why don't they want to compete in China?