Self Defense Stories

[The Xia]

This thread is a place for posters to share real life self-defense experiences.

[Jumpin'Sidekick]

You must be really bored, right?
By the way the only time I was close enough to need to defend myself besides sparring was against 3 12year old punk kids and a really big friendly dog(they wanted to scare me with it). I laughed at them in the face and they told me to go on the next bus because they were afraid of me. The incident lasted for 5 minutes. It was in February 2005.:D

[SevenStar]

I work as a bouncer as a second job. I guess you could say I'm defending someone all the time. I may post some stories later.

[shizenjin]

I once had a beer bottle thrown at me. I put my hand up to shield my face and the **** thing hit my palm, which made my fingers close in on the bottle.

I admit this was a once in a lifetime random thing and had nothing to do with my training. But the guy that threw is was so shocked he just called me a name and walked off.

It took me a good few weeks before I stopped talking about it. I was 17 at the time.

[SevenStar]

I had a guy pull a tazer on me last night. I pulled my baton on him, with spray in my other hand. He walked off. Nothing happened.

a few weeks ago, I got into it with three guys. One hit me, I knocked him unconscious with a right cross, his BIG brother hit me in the side of the head, right near the temple. The third brother was on the ground - I pushed him into the one that I hit, knocking them both off balance, right before I hit the dude. After I got hit by the big guy, I turned around to strike him, but another bouncer tied him up and dragged him outside.

I can go on for days. but I won't. I will list some things I've learned though:

grappling is more helpful in the street than many stand up guys would lead you to believe.

not every altercation that ends up on the ground results in someone's buddies stomping you.

cops WILL hit you, even if you're innocent.

a bottle of moet is as hard as a baseball bat; don't get hit by one.

it's always the smallest guys who talk the most smack.

the amount of smack people talk is directly proportionate to the number of people watching what's going on.

fights begin and end VERY fast.

sometimes talking is your best weapon.

be nice to people - you do sometimes encounter them again in situations that are not in your favor, and people do hold grudges.

knives are dangerous. stay away from them.

metal detectors aren't foolproof

always be aware of what's going on around you.

[The Xia]

cops WILL hit you, even if you're innocent.
What happened for you to find this out?

[franco1688]

I have some pretty good stories for you guys. I was a bouncer for eight years and presently I'm a night club manager. I've been training in martial arts for about fifteen years. I've been stabbed (a few times), shot at, punched, kicked, bit , scratched and I promise you they are all true stories. I don't have an exact count but I've been involved probably over 1000 fights (52 weeks in a year x at least 3 fights per week x 8 years / you do the math). I have also fought in full contact martial arts matches and boxed. I will make this one comment right now. The best way to learn how to fight is to fight. That's the only true way to perfect anything. Take cooking, for example, you can watch people cook on the food network everynight, and you can read all the cookbooks that the library has to offer, but when it is all said and done do you think that you're going to be a master chef? I'd have to say no! You may be a master of theory, but you're not going to be a great chef until you actually get your hands dirty and actually cook. Sure there's some guidelines that past masters have laid out for you to follow but there are so many other factors that you may not think of that will only be mastered through trial and error. In my opinion, fighting is the same way. Fights are unpredictable and there are so many factors that come in to play in a fight that you don't think of until you are standing there toe to toe with an opponent. I'm not even talking about what techniques you might use. I'm talking about what you feel during a fight. You're adrenaline is flowing, you may or may not be scared or nervous, and more than likely you will get hit. How are you going to react when you experience all of these factors? You can practice and study martial art theory all you want, but there is only one way to make a theory a law and that is by testing it, applying it and perfecting it. I'm not saying you should go out and get into fights. Just like any scientific experiment you should test your theory in a controlled environment (ie. sparring, fighting full contact, etc.). You must practice until you are comfortable and you are no longer nervous when you're facing confrontation. Also, you shouldn't be worrying about what technique you're going to use it should just happen.

[SevenStar]

What happened for you to find this out?

I took a guy down outside the club. He was acting a fool inside, got put out and tried to overpower one of the other bouncers. I took him down, mounted him, and when he tried to fight, I attacked his arm - put him in an americana. Just then, I get hit from behind and dragged - I turn around (with stun gun handy) and saw a cop standing over me. people standing around were yelling at him that I work there, not to mention that I had on a bright read shirt that read "STAFF" - he did it on purpose.

[tug]

"I can go on for days. but I won't. I will list some things I've learned though:

grappling is more helpful in the street than many stand up guys would lead you to believe.

not every altercation that ends up on the ground results in someone's buddies stomping you.

cops WILL hit you, even if you're innocent.

a bottle of moet is as hard as a baseball bat; don't get hit by one.

it's always the smallest guys who talk the most smack.

the amount of smack people talk is directly proportionate to the number of people watching what's going on.

fights begin and end VERY fast.

sometimes talking is your best weapon.

be nice to people - you do sometimes encounter them again in situations that are not in your favor, and people do hold grudges.

knives are dangerous. stay away from them.

metal detectors aren't foolproof

always be aware of what's going on around you."


I wholeheartedly concur, well said. I used to bounce in a dive bar in NYC for about 6 years, and out of all the altercations during those years, I can only remember 2 instances where the situation was diffused while standing. Every single other time, we went to the ground.

And, not to bash cops or anything, but one must be extremely careful of what is said and done around them. Every situation has it's own set of realities, and every situation is different (or at least must be approached that way).

TuG.

[madhusudan]

ok, i'll bite........

in 1999 or early 2000 my girlfriend had pretty much ended it with me, except that we still hung out all the time and slept together. i still liked her but she was seeing a new guy. he was pretty short and scrawny. we had words at one bar and i was tossed out since he was well known there. me and the girl headed to our favorite bar (stupid idea, since he knew to look there) and i started drinking heavily.

i was depressed and got really drunk. as i was leaning on the wall, and she was telling the bartender what happened earlier the guy rushed in with a big tall friend. before i could react, he had thrown a right cross which did little damage. he busted my lip open the tiniest bit and turned my head to the side. i roused myself for defense by getting my arse off the wall, and he was already running off. his big friend was coming forward with his fist raised so i grabbed it with my left and grabbed his throat with my right. after choking him for a few seconds the massive bouncer rushed in and threw the other guy out. i was drunk and wanted to follow, but of course everyone insisted i stay in the bar.

for the rest of the night i was kinda like a hero. girls were eyeing me and it was kinda cool. man, that little guy had a weak punch. that's my story.

[Lee Chiang Po]

As a young man I worked as a printer, but as a second job I worked as social director in local bars and dance halls. Bouncer. I am only 5'4" tall, but have always hit a scale at around 200 pounds. With a JJJ and HFWC background, I was always able to handle large men easily. Not always, but most times you are dealing with drunks that are fairly easy to handle. Large men seldom actually know how to fight as they have usually not had to learn. It is the smaller man that has had to learn to fight. And there are some that would scare the heck out of Bruce Lee out there too, and they might not have had a single lesson in a MA. In the establishments I have bounced in, I was not allowed to pound on a customer. My only job was to stop or prevent anyone getting injured in their place of business. I usually talked them out of being aggressive most of the time, and for those that I could not reason with, I would get in a subtle submission hold and take them to a corner and talk to them. I remember one bouncer telling me he fought all night, every night. He stayed sore and busted up from it. I was there 2 weeks before I had to use force and I didn't have a single fight or out of control discussion. I was able to do my job well. To some, being able to see out across another fellows head gives them a sence of superiority. And no one wants to be tossed around be someone that is 5'4" tall. Anyway, one night in a bar down in Louisiana, I broke up a fight between a couple of fellows and they both got mad at me. One of them was so upset that he had to be restrained and held for arrest. This didn't sit well with him either. Several nights later I was just coming in from my day job and wanted to sort of drink myself a cold beer and unwind before my shift started. As I came in the back door I met some friends and stopped to talk. My eyes were still not conditioned to the dark. As I stood talking this fellow came up and reach between my buddies and stabbed me in the right chest. The blade was only 3 inches long, but it went in and cut my left lung. The blade lodged in a rib of my sturnum. It hurt too. I reached and took hold of his knife hand and stepped back and entered into a wrist hold and forced him to bend over in front of me. I kicked him with a heel shot right in the crown of his skull, which dropped him like a lead ball. I was hurting and bleeding a lot, so when the cops and firemen got there they just took me to the hospital. It was not until after the knife was removed and I was stitched up that they told me the other man had died instantly from my heel kick. A grand jury no billed me as it was self defense and an unintended death.
In another case I was walking to my car at about 3 am when 3 men jumped me. 2 were facing me and one behind me stabbed me in the back, almost into my spine. I think that was his intention. Again, it hurt a lot. I ran backwards into him and elbowed him in the face. The 2 men that were in front of me ran and left him. I turned and stabbed him in the throat with my fingers. Both hands. He fell back against a truck and looked like he was going to come at me again. I cut him hard into the throat with a kill hand chop and crushed his windpipe. I then put put my fingers into both his eyes and moved away from him. I was hurting so bad I did not want to move again. My attacker fell to the ground and I staggered back to the club where the only person there, the owner, called an ambulance and the cops. This ended just like the other stabbing. As I was being stitched and plugged up they came in to talk to me and informed me that I had killed the man. Again, I was no billed. I was told however that it would be to my best interest to find another line of work. I stayed with it though, and eventually the word was out everywhere and I could not get a job as a bouncer. But, I was very appealing as a body guard and companion. My earning ability was greatly enhanced.

[SilverNeedle]

oh, man... that's is some extreme self defence...

[Lee Chiang Po]

Extreme, yes. I have to admit that in every case where it looked like I would have to defend myself from deadly force, I was frightened. Not just scared. But terrified. I suppose that the survival instinct kicks in and my motions become powerful. I have never panicked, and I have always kept my head, even when I was so scared that I had to force myself to act. I am in my 60's now. An old man I guess by some standards, but I do not feel old or think old. Even though my body will sometimes complain. I have been a practitioner of JJJ and HFWC since before I was a teenager. 50 years or so. I have said this several times before, but in all my years as a practitioner I have never come upon another person so trained. I have come up against some very dangerous men though. In my younger years I was far more active as I appreciated the extra money of the second jobs.
One night I was working in a place in Moffitt, Oklahoma. Called the Top Hat I think. A man was just walking down the line stabbing people in the back with an ice pick. He was mad, but had only had a couple of beers so was not really drunk. He was mean. Dog mean. I had never attacked a person, but always waited until I was attacked. In this case however, I attacked the man with the ice pick. He was stronger than myself by a lot, and he was well over 6 feet tall, but on the thin side. He moved so fast that I was barely able to pary away the pick, and I was unable to enter a technique that would neutralize his attack. I felt like it went on for some time, but only lasted seconds. Eventually he lunged and I was able to grab his ice pick hand and slam him into the floor. I proceeded to break his elbow and wrist, and he just reached over and took the icepick in his other hand and stabbed me in the leg with it. Let me tell you about an icepick. It can reach the bone easily and it will go all the way in. It hurts like hell. I managed to get hold of this arm and break it too. I then went to pounding on him and broke his jaw and cheek bone. With a broken jaw and both arms broken, he managed to get on his feet and kick the heck out of me. I had never seen a man so determined. I again managed to get hold of a leg and kick the other from under him. I took one leg and another man took hold of the other and we finally managed to restrain him. Once he started to calm down he started feeling the pain and passed out from it. He didn't kill anyone, but ended up going to prison for 40 years. It was one very cold night when the wife of a very drunk and rowdy man shot me in my butt that my own wife told me that my career as a night club social director was finished. I think my greatest tool was my ugliness. I am a very ugly man. Very ugly. I also have a fierce look that can buckle the knees of the boldest of men.

[Faruq]

What art were you practicing at the time Chiang Po?

[Lee Chiang Po]

I can't say that I practice. It is all from throughout my life. I started my Wing Chun, Hung Fa, when I was still quite young. I was adopted at 8 years old and was the youngest of the family. Everyone trained Wing Chun. I began training in JJJ at a later date. Jujitsu is probably the one that I use when things get ugly. No matter how large or strong a man is, the weakest part of him is his hands, then his arms. I would make every effort to avoid going to ground in any fight. It becomes a serious 1 on 1 then, and you can not defend well against a gang. However, I did train for that. Both Wing Chun and Jujitsu have deadly aspects. Bil gee is a lethal form of self defense, and if you choose, using JJ you can completely destroy someone. Another story of self defense. I am not sure what year it was, maybe 1988 or 89. I was picking up some machine parts for a printing press in an industrial district of north east Dallas, Texas. I was at the back of my truck when 2 men approached me asking for money. Homeless men. I handed one man my pocket change and said that was all I had on me. As I continued what I was doing, one of them, a huge man with arms as large as my legs, just grabbed me by my neck with his left hand and started shoving me toward the corner of the building. There was no one about. The other man stopped at the corner of the building to keep watch while the other man led me down beside the building. It felt as if he would break my neck. I realized that he was many times stronger than myself, and that if I did not react he would do me great harm. As we got about half way down the side of the building, I sort of leaned in against him really hard. He cursed me and told me to get off him and then shoved me away. This made him extend his arm to full length, which put him at his most vulnerable. I quickly threw my right arm in a counter clockwise circle and over his left arm before he could draw it back. I had his hand locked behind my neck and sort of kept my momentum going. This locked his elbow and hyper extended it backwards. I kept rolling into him until I heard the elbow break. He went on to the ground and I took hold of his beefy hand and folded it toward his wrist until it popped. He was screaming loudly, and so I kicked his head until he got quite. I took hold of his other hand and proceeded to break his elbow and wrist on that arm. I noticed a Rambo knife laying beside him. I believe he intended to murder me with that knife. His friend came running back to see what I had on me I guess, and ran right into me standing there with the knife. His friend was silent on the ground so I suspect he thought I had killed him. He turned and ran down the RR tracks until I could no longer see him. I left the man laying there and went back to the truck. I was not in any condition at the time, and from the look of me, I was a good victim. It is by skill of technique that I was able to defend myself. If I were only able to escape injury it would have served me well. The thing to remember is that you are always going to be held responsible for your actions. You are only allowed to defend until the threat of life and limb are past. You are not allowed to then further punish the assailant once he has been neutralized. That is very hard to resist though.

[Faruq]

Interesting posts, Chiang Po. You've got ME thinking.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

The following altercation made me a true believer in the power of knees. A few years back I was at a bar with friends when some drunk assclown bumped into me and then started talking trash. I tried to diffuse the situation but he kept on, I guess he was trying to impress his friends. He kept talking smack and at the time I smoked so I flipped my cigarette into his face, hitting his eye, then followed up with a right cross, knocking him on his ass. He fell down and everyone laughed and he was thrown out since I was well known at this bar. He stood outside the bar for about ten minutes screaming for me to come out and fight. So, I did. When I got outside he started backpeddling and saying he didn't want to fight. He had his hand up in front of him, palms out, walking toward me saying he just wanted to talk to me. As he got closer he threw a wild haymaker with his right that missed me by a mile at which time I closed in, clinched his head in a Muay Thai clinch, threw one good roundhouse to his thigh, then started kneeing his body and head. He fell on his knees and tried to grab my legs but I still had his head in the clinch and delivered one good knee to his nose that knocked him out cold. Afterward I went back inside, got drunk with friends and was treated as the hero of the night.

[ricardocameron]

Anyone heard or know anything about the SAS 5 second knockout?

[Faruq]

Never heard of it? What is it?

[ricardocameron]

he SAS five second knockout
(thing) by DMan (4.9 y) (print) ? 1 C! Thu May 25 2000 at 12:50:05

An unarmed self-defense technique advised by the SAS (Special Air Service). Although brutal, it is highly effective, and will take down almost any assailant. Personally, I'd rather be armed than unarmed if I'm caught in a situation like this. Screw gun control. In any case, here it is.

1. Since most people are right-handed, their first attack is likely to a right-handed punch. Block it with your left arm. If the attacker is left-handed, reverse the left-rights in this sequence of moves.

2. Continuing the blocking motion of your left arm, continue with a two-finger jab to the eyes. Although this is a very brutal move, it is extremely important to throw the attacker off balance and hence allow you to follow up with the rest of the sequence, and this does an excellent job. Anyways, better him than you.

3. The last move should have left the attacker wide open. Follow up with a right-handed palm strike to the chin. This should put the attacker on the ground and convince him to leave.

4. If the person is still unconvinced, step forward with your left leg, swing your body around, lean in and strike with your left elbow on the chin or face. Use your hips to maximize the force of the attack. This usually guarantees a knockout.

5. If somehow the person is still acting hostile, step in, grab his shoulders, and knee him in the groin as hard as you can. At this point, you can simply walk away.

This technique has been tried and tested. However, hesitation at any step would ruin the sequence and open you to attack. Admittedly, some of these moves are very violent, but it is self-defense, after all. Practice it and make it one fluid motion. It will discourage any attacker.

[Faruq]

I think I'd have to see a clip of it being performed before I tried it myself, or at least see Kuen Po illustrations of this technique.

[Lee Chiang Po]

The only 5 second knockout I know of is the solar plexus punch. A downward slap, sort of like slapping your knee, into the upper stomach, right where the gut connects to the sternum, will drop you in about 5 seconds. A light chop will do it, but the slap distributes a great deal of shock directly into the solar plexus, which will make you feel like you have just been gutted. I have seen very large men urinate themselves as they were gasping for breath, on the way down to the ground. If a person has a bit of a beer gut it works even better. You administer the blow, and back off and count to five. He may start toward you, but will quickly collapse.
Never do a 2 finger eye poke. It is too feeble. If you are threatened and believe you are just before being attacked and beaten, take a none aggressive stance. The pigeon toed stance, with one hand over your solar plexus and one slightly above that. The hands literally cupped with the palms toward you. This looks like you are more afraid than aggressive. Then with the hands, both of them, reach out as smoothly as you can, and as quickly as you can, and gouge your finger tips into his eyes. One hand for each eye. The Bil Jee is not done as a spear thrust, but more as a limp hand until the fingers are in position and then the hand comes alive and stiffens as it is shoved or driven into the eye sockets. You can put your weight behind this. From that point on, you can just practice any of the techniques you are curious about. You will have no resistance.
As a submission hold that is as brutal as it gets, if you can crowd your opponent and get in close to him, reach up and grab his lips in your clenched fist, then as you squeeze, twist and pull, reach around his head and grab his face, driving a thumb deep into his eye socket. I mean with all the force you can. The eye ball will sometimes pop out of the socket. If it does, you can pull it from his head, or you can just hold him. You then walk backwards, forcing him off his feet and then drag him by the eye socket and lips. You can pull so hard that the lips tear away. You will never hear such screaming.

[Faruq]

I read of the thumb in the eye socket in a confessions of a mob hitman book.

[Chief Fox]

I was 16 years old living in Pennsylvania. At the time I had never studied any kind of martial art. But I did have years of Saturday morning Black Belt theater uder my belt. I worked at one of the most popular ski shops on the east coast. I was what you would call a "shop rat". I worked in the back of the shop tuning and waxing skis. Every Saturday we would get extremely busy. The only problem was, the ski shop have a very small parking lot. The Shop Rats would get sent out to help people park cars and stuff.

So I'm out in the parking lot on a very busy Saturday and the lot was completely full. My friend had run over to 7/11 to get us some drinks so I was there alone.

I'm standing right in the center of the driveway to the shop waving my arms telling people they need to park across the street because the lot was full.

Well here comes this guy in his mini van all packed up with his family. I'm standing in the driveway telling him that he needs to park across the street. I can see that he is completely livid, screaming his head off at me. I'm saying, I'm sorry, the lot is full, you have to park across the street. He's yelling something like "Get the hell out of the way!".

So the light down the street changes and here comes a ton of traffic bearing down on this guy in his minivan. I see the guy look in his rear view mirror and then back at me and he hits the gas and comes roaring in at me.

I jump out of the way and punch the hood of his minivan at the same time.

He stops and rolls down his window, at this point I"m p!ssed. I yell at him, What the hell are you trying to do kill me? I told you the lot was full! We yell back and forth for a minute or so. He uses some choice words so I match his choice words.

Then I see him begin to unbuckle his seat beat. I say, Oh, what are you going to do, get out and beat me up. Turns out, that's exactly what he had in mind.

He gets out of the van and grabs me by the throat with both hands. I lace my fingers together in front of me and drive my hands upward as hard as I can breaking his grip on my neck. His arms are now totally wide open. I jump in the air and do a jumping side kick right to the center of the guys chest. He goes stumbling back into the hood of his minivan. Everyone in the minivan is just sitting there with their mouths open. Like, oh my god, the shop rat is kicking the cr@p out of dad! I land on the ground, in my best fight stance and I say "COME ON!".

Mr. Minivan then realizes that I'm not going to take his cr@p and says, whoa, take it easy. I say, are you crazy!

In the time it took for this altercation to take place a spot opens up in the lot. Mr. Minivan goes and parks his van. Another customer who saw the whole thing had run inside to tell them that their employee was being attacked.

The owner of the shop comes out and confronts Mr. Minivan. He says, I've been coming to this shop for years and blah blah blah. Your employee did Karate on me blah blah blah. The shop owner asks me if I did Karate on him. I say, that I have no knowledge what so ever of Karate. The shop owner then says that she doesn't care how long he's been a customer and that she doesn't want customers like him at her store.

Mr. Minivan leaves. I gain instant celebrity status at the shop as the shop rat who kicked a customer in the chest. :D

[jera]

I had got into i fight saterday afternoon, i was with some freinds at a local hang out of ours when three guys came up and started messing with geoff and ric who were kind of "Off By Themselves" they started fighting and i went to break it up. After i got up there one of the three guys tried to hit me in the face, i blocked the punch and stepped up and landed a elbow strike right into his stomach then we started wrestling. One of his freinds came up behind me and pulled me off, Then i got knocked out. After he knocked me out him and his freinds ran off because they thought the guy had killed me.

The fight didnt go they way i had expected.

Any tips on taking on multiple opponents at once?

[Iron_Eagle_76]

Any tips on taking on multiple opponents at once?[/QUOTE]


Yeah, don't do it.

[Chief Fox]

Any tips on taking on multiple opponents at once?
1. Make your first shot count.
2. stay on your feet.
3. run

[Lee Chiang Po]

My own motto is never fight 2 men at once. If you can, talk your way out of it. If you see that you can't, then you try to take one out as quickly as you can. What I would recommend would be to learn several techniques that work well. Techniques that can drop an opponent quickly. Then practice them, train them, and train your weapons. You hands do not have to be clubs, but you need to train them to function like the weapon you need.
When I was in the service of my country, I was asked to write a manual and train some men that could later train others. I was one of the first NCO's in the Air Force's Air Commandoes. I gave it much thought and came up with 5 good throwing techniques that could be learned quickly and trained easily. Several good hand and foot techniques for inflicting injury and possibly death. Also several techniques for reversing holds, especially if taken to ground. I did so, and I trained 12 men. That was the end of my obligation. I chose Japanese Jujitsu and for blocking and entering into these techniques, I used Wing Chun hand techniques.
If you want to be able to defend yourself against the average bully type, learn some Hand and arm lock techniques from Jujitsu. If you have access to training, learn some Wing Chun. You do not have to have a black belt to defend against the average guy. In 1970 during the National Karate Championships held in Dallas Texas, a white belt whipped a bunch of black belts to take the honors. It is not how much you know, but how well you know what you do know. Just remember that honor and pride can get you killed. Without pride, you can not be humiliated.

[WingTsun20]

The most important thing is strategy..

In a confrontation you want to advance to your nearest opponent don't go in between, because then the others will get their chance..

What you need to do... Is to go for the outer ones on either the left or right sides. If you can then you can use your techniques on that person on the side away from the other opponents while using them as a shield..
Then drop them like our friend does in this forum. when you drop them try to do it infront of the other ones advancing towards you. When they drop give em a nice kick in...
This gets them in the way of each other...

Or the other thing grab the first guy and yell 'Come any closer and I'll take his eye out...' Either they back off or he loses friends! lol...

.............Or an eye! lol..

[Lee Chiang Po]

I like your stratagy. Lose an eye or a friend. I was once told that if a bunch jumps you in a dark place, move deeper into the shadows. In the dark they will have to take care of who they hit, but you don't. Just knock the snot out of anyone you touch.
Most people will never get into a simple fight. Well, most normal people anyway. And most fights can actually be avoided if one is not intent upon saving his honor. There might be a time though where you will have to fight or get hurt or even killed. It is getting to be more a fact of life these days. If a person is intent upon doing you harm, you have to do something. I always suggest that a person learn a few good techniques really well. Nothing dramatic, nothing that is dangerous to yourself. If you kick higher than your own hip you run the risk of being taken down. Never turn away from an attacker unless it is at a dead run. And don't try anything you might have seen on TV. It is just for looks and probably will not work anyway. And once you learn these few good workable techniques, don't be temped to try them out by getting into a fight. It don't usually work that way.
When I was in the service I taught some young men a few combat techniques, preparing them for teaching recruits. The very first graduation from the course was blemished by a rash of broken arms downtown on the first weekend of liberty. From then on they didn't get a town pass for a month after they graduated from the course. This sort of shows the tendency for someone to show off a new toy.

[qiphlow]

You then walk backwards, forcing him off his feet and then drag him by the eye socket and lips. You can pull so hard that the lips tear away. You will never hear such screaming.

this is my new sig.

[Faruq]

Da )mn Lee! Did you ever do time? I mean you're a vicious guy. How do you get pushed that far to where you have to learn this stuff? And do you accept students? LOL

[tug]

1. Make your first shot count.
2. stay on your feet.
3. run

Exactly...

[madhusudan]

I had never heard of tearing of lips, but do remember my dad telling me how cowboys would often bite off a nose or tear off ears when they were rolling around on the ground in a fight. i guess it depends how far you wanna take it....

[Faruq]

Well, it's probably easier to keep an ear to the ground, once it's been ripped off. lol.

[qiphlow]

Well, it's probably easier to keep an ear to the ground, once it's been ripped off. lol.

grooooaaaannnnnnnn!!!!!:D

[Shaolin Wookie]

Lee Chiang Po is a baaad muthafatha!!!

Just kiddin'...kind of. Actually, he's been one of the most informative people I've ever seen on this forum. Thanks for the input. It's nice to know what works when the **** hits the fan, man. I've often wondered what would work in those last-ditch situations. I always found the solar plexus to be a good target, when it's open--usually in a combination. It'll wind most people. But then, I don't know what it's like in a streetfight, and I hope I never have to. But it's useful knowledge, b/c that's where fights happen. In your expert estimation, do most people put up a good "solid" defense?--that ice pick story was heavy... I understand big guys don't have technique, but they're tanks anyway, so they don't need it....a hook from a 170 lb. guy like me won't knock 'em out. I'm bigger than little, but much smaller than big. What would you suggest?

I tend to go for stomach slaps to shock their system (ala crane), get 'em to lean forward, then palm strikes to chins/hooks to temples, strikes to neck/throat....

Is the groin kick effective? (I know this might sound stupid....but you have more experience in bad situations...) And I mean against a dude who's got one thing on his mind--kicking the **** out of your or even killing you....

But that solar plexus slap---could you go into a little more detail?

I don't quite know what you mean by a "downward slap to the solar plexus"....

What angle of approach are you talking about---like a palm strike, side hand angled downward, striking in a downward manner? How do you get the opening without putting yourself in jeopardy? Is it like the classic chest/lower back strike-compression from the side?

I'm not being daft...I'd just really like to know what might get me out of a real jam...and you're one of the only people I've ever seen on this forum who actually had something useful to say....

[franco1688]

If you do happen to bite off an ear or a man's nose, either swallow it or stick it in your pocket. He cannot get it reattached and he will always remember you everytime he looks in the mirror.-----I was a bouncer for eight years and believe me I have my fair share of war stories. I have a few scars to prove it. I got into an altercation one night at a bar I was working at (head of security), this bar was so bad at first that I had to hire people everyother week because, after their first weekend, people tended to quit. But anyway, this guy kept giving the barmaid a hard time and wasn't tipping her. After she complained about the man to me, I went over and spoke with the him. He proceeded to call her a dirty b***h (and a few other select names). At this point, I placed my hand on his shoulder and said "sir you're going to have to leave." He replied by saying "f**k you mother f***er, don't f***ing touch me!" Needless to say, before he had a chance to get up, I put him in a choke, opened the door with his face and threw him out into the parking lot. I told him to leave and that the police were on their way. He gets up off the ground, pulls out a knife, and jumps at me. As his knife was going for my stomach I instinctivly reached down to catch his wrist and his knife plunged into my hand. Luckily he let go of the knife (I think it freaked him out, just as much as it ****ed me off). I took the knife out of my hand and I threw it. Basically to make an already long story short, I grabbed the gentleman and beat him until the police arrived. All the while my bouncers were just standing there with their thumbs up their you know whats. The thing that makes this story great is the fact that the guy who tried to stab me, also tried to sue me and the bar. Maybe stomping on the mans head after he was unconcious may seem a little excessive to some, but I don't think it is. Obviously, he didn't win and he went to jail. A few of the things I learned in all my years of bouncing is that you have to be careful because you never know what someone is capable of. It's important to be attentive to your surroundings and everyone around you. Choose your battles wisely, a lot of times you're better off difusing a situation verbally than physically (although the physical altercation may be a lot more fun, at times).