Sifu Edmund Ng??????

[hskwarrior]

Is he Chan Family branch or Hung Sing or Buk SIng??????

The reason why I ask, is basically the opening he does is the same as Hung/buksing and not typically a chan family opening.

here is a clip of his ping kuen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgoA5DKe82w

[CHAZ]

Hey Frank,

Edmund Ng (Ng Ho Tak) is my Sifu, our lineage is as follows



Chan Heung Gong

Chan Koon Pak

Fong Yuk Shu

Chan Hong Hung

Jew Yew Jong

Edmund Ng (ng Ho Tak

[Su Lin]

Hey Chaz

Did you do a demo for Chinese New Year in Lancaster this year? We went along with our club to the celebrations and sure it was your club doing it?

[hskwarrior]

you it's been said that Yuen Hai also was one of Fong Yuk Shu's sifu's at one point. From what I understand, it was to koon pak first then to yuen hai, or the other way around.

anyways, i've never seen any chan family sets begin that way, only hung sing and buk sing. that's kinda strange, but hey, we're all Choy Lee Fut right????

yeah definately, more on the lines of buk sing and hung sing more than chan i feel.


hsk

[Mano Mano]

Our official lineage is Hung Sing Heroic Victory from Chan Koon Pak, there is an influence from Fut San & Buk sing which is evident to someone who has been exposed to the various branches of CLF.
Fong Yuk Shu spent some time with Fut San but I believe he spent more time training under Chan Koon Pak.
My Si Gung Chu Yu Jong I believe first learned some Buk Sing CLF in his early years not sure who with, then trained under & spent most of his time under Chan Hong Hung. We don’t deny any connections with Fut San & Buk Sing otherwise my sifu wouldn’t get his invitations to their get-togethers.

[hskwarrior]

Mano Mano,

you know it's said that quite possibly koon pak also learned from Jeong Yim, but I have also heard fong Yu Shu was with koon pak longer.

However, the buk sing/ hung sing influence runs strong within your lineage, it's visually obvious.

That ping kuen clip is the first clf clip i've saved to my comp. I really liked it.


hsk

[CHAZ]

Hey Chaz

Did you do a demo for Chinese New Year in Lancaster this year? We went along with our club to the celebrations and sure it was your club doing it?

Su Lin, I don't know, I have been away from the club for a bit due to work commitments.
Do you also post on Martial Arts Planet, I'm known as PantherFist over there.:)

Mano Mano, Hello there Si Hing, I bow down to your expert knowledge:D

[CHAZ]

Hey Frank, do you know where I can get a copy of that clip so I can save it to my computer.

[hskwarrior]

that clips on you tube............

(the one Sifu Ng is performing right?)

[hskwarrior]

sorry,

i meant that I saved it to my you tube favorites account. Sorry.

[hskwarrior]

but I think you can embed it onto a website and save it that way.

try making a little clips webpage for free at......zoomshare.com

[CHAZ]

I'll try that, thank:)

[hskwarrior]

chaz,

if you right click on the link, you may be able to save that onto your favorites folder on your computer......i hope.........i just did.

peace.

[Mano Mano]

Mano Mano, Hello there Si Hing, I bow down to your expert knowledge
& so should everybody else apart from Sifu & Alan. :D
because they would definitely hurt me, even if I asked nicely.

[hskwarrior]

Mano Mano


did you just add that clip to your profile?

if not how come no one noticed it before?


hsk

[Mano Mano]

Frank yes indeed I did.
I’ve now caught video editing bug from you & its fun.

[Su Lin]

Chaz
Yes I do, will look out for you! I see you study Lau Gar too!

[hskwarrior]

mano mano

it is fun right?

especially when you start trying to catch a demo in the right spot and make it fit.

but thanks.

hsk

[Mano Mano]

Frank
& just when you think you've got it right you forget to save it.

Chaz
for talking to the naughty Lau gar people you will now do sei ping ma for the burning of two joss sticks, I've been watching you on the other boards. :)

[Su Lin]

We're not "proper" Lau Gar though, so it's ok!:rolleyes:
Seriously though, I enjoyed the lion dance the club did at the Chinese New Year celebrations, it was the first time I had seen one done!

[Lam Tong Long]

Wow!

Great clip. I was at that demo watching that year. It was one of the ones they used to hold in the Mayfair right?

Anyway, props to Edmund. I've known him for quite a while but that's one of the few times I've seen him in action.

Great stuff!

Hey Ian - where have you dissappeared to man?????

LOL!

[Mano Mano]

Su Lin
I’ve noticed that the people at your school are wearing shoes in the photos, so you definitely can't be genuine Lau. :)

[Su Lin]

I would love to train in bare feet sometimes, but the floors are a bit dodgy in the places we train. Never heard about barefoot being a Lau trait!:p

[Mano Mano]

Great clip. I was at that demo watching that year. It was one of the ones they used to hold in the Mayfair right?

yes the old Mayfair night club

the form I did that night was Gung Ji Fook Fu Sern

Siu Lin j
Just joking it's just that when ever Lau Gar was in the magazines the people in them were for some reason always in bare feet.

[chasincharpchui]

Our official lineage is Hung Sing Heroic Victory from Chan Koon Pak, there is an influence from Fut San & Buk sing which is evident to someone who has been exposed to the various branches of CLF.
Fong Yuk Shu spent some time with Fut San but I believe he spent more time training under Chan Koon Pak.
My Si Gung Chu Yu Jong I believe first learned some Buk Sing CLF in his early years not sure who with, then trained under & spent most of his time under Chan Hong Hung. We don’t deny any connections with Fut San & Buk Sing otherwise my sifu wouldn’t get his invitations to their get-togethers.


i thought chan family clf was called great sage clf
...did i juss open pandora's box? haha

[Lam Tong Long]

yes the old Mayfair night club

the form I did that night was Gung Ji Fook Fu Sern.

I'd love to say I could remember but god that was a long time ago!

Those were the days, the mayfair and all that. I used to really look forward to chinese new year then.

Take care,

Jay (from across the road at the SPM club)

[CLFNole]

Chan Heung was Great Sage.

Chan Koon Pak changed his school name to Hung Sing - Heroic Victory.

Jeong Yim changed his school to Hung Sing - different character to Koon Pak's.

So no pandora's box.

[chasincharpchui]

Chan Heung was Great Sage.

Chan Koon Pak changed his school name to Hung Sing - Heroic Victory.

Jeong Yim changed his school to Hung Sing - different character to Koon Pak's.

So no pandora's box.

isnt koon pak chan heung's son? do their schools go by different names? 4 lineages?

so is chan family clf great sage or heroic victory?

[CLFNole]

From what I remember about the history Chan Koon Pak changed the name of the school from Great Sage Hung Sing to Heroic Victory Hung Sing. He did this to supposedly distinguish himself from one of his hing dai that used hung sing and took in students with character he didn't like. His hung sing was different from his fathers.

[hskwarrior]

actually, now, there are more than 5 branches with different material.

you have great sage Xiong Sing, Fut San Hung Sing, Heroic victory (koon pak) and buk sing, and also kong moon branch of Choy Lee Fut.

However, from what I understand koon pak actually used the same one that jeong yim used but changed the name to shake the stigma of Jeong Yim and his disciples efforts in the revolution.

So when koon paks gung fu looks more like hung sing than Xiong Sing I can understand.

[CLFNole]

From what I remember he didn't change it because of Jeong Yim but rather another student named Lee Yau or Lee Yan. I am not sure his kung fu looks like fut san's either as Chan Yong Fa's kung fu is quite different from that of Fut San.

I think Kong Moon's CLF comes from Chan Yan or Chan Kau (one was the father the other the son), who was a student of Chan Hueng.

[hskwarrior]

lee yan is a jeong yim student.

lee yan is the lineage of the Singapore hung sing. I did say that because of what jeong yim and the disciples were doing in the revolution though.

About looking like whoever, if any of koon paks sets start out in the "L" pattern, then it is related to fut san.

and the edmund ng schools is koon paks lineage but have all the characteristics of the hung sing and buk sing lineages.

yeah, but kong moon teaches different choy lee fut than the chan family regardless if they are that close. stuff in kong moon is not taught in the chan family.

but it's all good.

[CLFNole]

Quite a bit of the Kong Moon stuff is considered Heroic Victory Hung Sing as Chan Koon Pak taught there. Chan Cheong Mo is considered Heroic Victory. It is not uncommon for CLF to morph in different areas and it is to be expected. I think Kong Moon is more of a different area of CLF not necessarily a different branch.

There are a variety of differences in lines from Chan Koon Pak as can be easily seen from Chan Yong Fa to Lee Koon Hung to Edmund Ng.

Not having seen enough of Chan Yong Fa's CLF I am not sure about the different hoi jongs; however a long time ago I was emailing Howard Choy and he mentioned they had a variety of different openings so I am not sure if the L-shape is exclusive to Jeong Yim but rather what his branch is known for.

[hskwarrior]

clfnole,

I've seen and researched a lot of Chan Family sets, and never have I seen one (from them) that starts in that L pattern. they always start right where they are and go straight out.

ALL Hung Sings around the world (that have deep connections to fut san) will agree that chan family CLF doesn't use that L pattern. If they did then i may be jeong yim's stuff.

From what I've been recently told was that Chan Yiu Chi often went to fut san and worked with Jeong Yim's people. I think they shared gung fu as well. Yiu Chi I heard learned some of the Fut San stuff.

anyways, if you were to put up a comparison from all the branches it would be easy to tell who is chan family choy lee fut, and who is hung sing/buksing. I'm not talking about hybrid CLF, i'm talking about CLF that is exclusive to one branch or the other.

[CLFNole]

The thing is I am not sure there is any "pure" CLF from any branch. Back then they all seemed to share with each other and it was just CLF not all the political bull sheet we have now. I think they would go to someone well known for certain techniques and they in turn would go to someone else was good at something else.

I remember reading about training with wooden dummies and Tam Sam being there along with Chan Koon Pak, Ho Ngau and others.

Sounds like good times if you ask me.

[hskwarrior]

no you're right.

I am sure they all learned something from one another back then.

Pure, nah, but who cares about pure anymore. CLF is CLF.

I can admit that each and every school i've come across has had some type of influence on my own training.

That's why i am doing what i can to promote the whole CLF lineage now.

[Ben Gash]

Studying lines from Chan Koon Pak, Chan On Pak, Chan Kau and Jeong Yim, I would say that in terms of forms and technique the first three have much more in common than the Jeong Yim line, and in terms of flavour the Chan Koon Pak stuff is the one furthest away from Jeong Yim's Futsan Hung Sing.
However, I must agree that Edmund Ng's stuff has a huge Bak Sing flavour, which is pretty cool.
BTW, some of the Chan On Pak/Chan Kau forms have an L shaped opening.

[Ben Gash]

Just watched the vid, and that looks like a Bak Sing opening.

[Mano Mano]

Frak here's another one of our sets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56b8eGgxos8

[chasincharpchui]

actually the branches didnt all get along that well in the past

tarm sam calling his style buk sing choy lay fut got other clf practioners hella mad, not that he cared, he juss charp anyone that spoke didnt show him respect and acknowledgement
the great debate on why its wrong to call our branch buk sing choy lay fut, the correct way now is choy lay fut buk sing/choy lay fut buk sing gwoon started after his death and the only ppl that were allowed put words infront of CLF were the hung sing ppl(jeung hung sing).

im talkin bout branch rivalry as a whole, not individuals
individuals of hung sung and buk sing did get along, but wen it came to politics, they took their sides.


nowadays its only internet talk, back then it was the real deal fights in guangzhou

[Mano Mano]

Chasincharpchui
I agree that the various branches didn’t all get along that well in the past, but some individuals did get on irrespective of branch or lineage.

Frank
Like CLFnole I haven’t seen enough of chan yong fa's CLF or even fut san CLF
But I have seen forms from another heroic victory branch mui fa, sup ji & dit jin kuen which were practically identical to our firms.

The sup ji form for example the only difference in the form was that we do a sequence with a right back fist bien choi, left downward tiger claw, right deng sao choi, right biu jong.
The other branch does the following sequence of right back fist bien choi. right deng sao choi, right back fist bien choi, left cup choi, right yung chap choi.
Apart from that sequence the forms are practically identical.

sifu philip ng’s lineage is even closer to ours than the other heroic victory school & I would love to see their forms just for further comparison.

[Eddie]

Heres how you can save any you tube or google videos.

Go to this site:
http://www.videodl.org/

Then copy and paste the video link url into the block that say " get it" and click the button. It will search for a while, and once its doen, It will show a new button " Download link". Right click, and save as ... :cool: