Wing Chun Fight Club

[tjwingchun]

Just interested in what the general thoughts are across the forum?

www.wingchunfightclub.org/joomla/index.php

My first reaction was a a bit of concern that it was taking us back to the 80's when there was a lot of 'challenges' in the UK and may lead to nothing more than Wing Chun "Happy Slappers", ie. have a mate with your mobile handy while you smack some inadequate wannabe martial artist/fighter/boxer/thug.

It has however slightly changed since becoming a site in its own right and is looking to offer a platform for discussion about how we can gain Wing Chun some respect back that has been lost in recent years.

[Paul T England]

Trevor, you must teach me this great wing chun skill of making people speachless (or is it dumb!) Is this skill found in the muk yan jong or was it something Yip Man past onto his famous 5?

I can't believe nobody has an opinion on the wing chun fight club.

FWIW I was also concerned that it might start snowballing the wrong way but its still makes me happy to see wing chun guys standing up and being counted. Long may it continue.

Paul

[Edmund]

It really seemed like a pretty lame site though....
Just a lot of text that wasn't written or structured well. I couldn't understand the point of it and it didn't get my interest.

What's the point of joining? You get a free T-Shirt which says "Wing Chun Fighter" and more access to a site which doesn't seem like it has much on it?

That's lamer than a "Tap Out" beanie, matching sleeve-less hooded top with flame patterns and a sweat band around your ankle.

The poll was Wing Chun's Most Dangerous Foe which would be a bit of a laugh if it wasn't trying to be serious. :) It's got like 3 votes total...


I'd say the private forum is pretty lonely.

[tjwingchun]

It really seemed like a pretty lame site though....
Just a lot of text that wasn't written or structured well. I couldn't understand the point of it and it didn't get my interest.

What's the point of joining? You get a free T-Shirt which says "Wing Chun Fighter" and more access to a site which doesn't seem like it has much on it?

That's lamer than a "Tap Out" beanie, matching sleeve-less hooded top with flame patterns and a sweat band around your ankle.

The poll was Wing Chun's Most Dangerous Foe which would be a bit of a laugh if it wasn't trying to be serious. :) It's got like 3 votes total...


I'd say the private forum is pretty lonely.
It is a very young site and they promise videos up soon, personally I can see it grow into something, just got to give it and those organising it a bit of latitude.

My first thoughts were more just concerned but they were pre-website when it was just a page on another site. With help both for content with articles and direction by feedback, which is what they are looking for I believe, it may develop into a useful resource and Wing Chun contact place.

Just a wait and see process, I thought people would have more to say about it, as they do in other forums but in my mind the higher the profile of Wing Chun the better and I intend to give my support where I can to help.

[stricker]

What's the point of joining? You get a free T-Shirt which says "Wing Chun Fighter" and more access to a site which doesn't seem like it has much on it?

That's lamer than a "Tap Out" beanie, matching sleeve-less hooded top with flame patterns and a sweat band around your ankle.

The poll was Wing Chun's Most Dangerous Foe which would be a bit of a laugh if it wasn't trying to be serious. :) It's got like 3 votes total...ahahahahaha :D

[Edmund]

It's got as much chance of snowballing as Nintendo Virtual Boy.

They might as well get on MySpace if they want some friends/traffic.
They've got no profile at all. I wouldn't even have looked if you and Paul hadn't mentioned it here. Need I point out that this forum is already incredibly well established with a large membership if you want to contact WC people.

How is it a resource? There's nothing on there. Gah! Why did you even make me look? The only help they need is a red hot poker up the posterior.

I think the only relevant news (about Alan Orr's guys winning something) was also announced on here. If anything, that's due to Alan's good news disseminating skills not the site. That's the problem with internet journo's. They don't go out and get the news. They just leach it off someone else. Get on the phone and exclusive interview Alan. There's your **** content!

As for video, YouTube and the like seems to be taking over. It's freely available and free to upload so why would you bother signing up to someone's site? It's not like they got special porno. There's actually no obvious indication they have any exclusive video anyway!

Check out this Aussie site about MMA. It's run by amateurs and yet they still manage to get real interviews, up-to-date news, ticket giveaways and videos.
http://www.infinitemma.com/

[couch]

It's got as much chance of snowballing as Nintendo Virtual Boy.

They might as well get on MySpace if they want some friends/traffic.
They've got no profile at all. I wouldn't even have looked if you and Paul hadn't mentioned it here. Need I point out that this forum is already incredibly well established with a large membership if you want to contact WC people.

How is it a resource? There's nothing on there. Gah! Why did you even make me look? The only help they need is a red hot poker up the posterior.

I think the only relevant news (about Alan Orr's guys winning something) was also announced on here. If anything, that's due to Alan's good news disseminating skills not the site. That's the problem with internet journo's. They don't go out and get the news. They just leach it off someone else. Get on the phone and exclusive interview Alan. There's your **** content!

As for video, YouTube and the like seems to be taking over. It's freely available and free to upload so why would you bother signing up to someone's site? It's not like they got special porno. There's actually no obvious indication they have any exclusive video anyway!

Check out this Aussie site about MMA. It's run by amateurs and yet they still manage to get real interviews, up-to-date news, ticket giveaways and videos.
http://www.infinitemma.com/

I think the premise is important: "Do you pressure test your WC?"

However...I agree and would like to add that not everyone is into WC to spar or go all out with MMA/Street Thugs and get it on video. And that whole bit that you have to fight the guard to get into the club sounds weird. We have to accept the fact that there are all types of interpretations of WC, less many reasons people train.

I'll be watching from a distance. Prolly won't have a large following...although the only thing I agree with is the pressure testing.

All the best,
Kenton Sefcik

[Amp]

You don't join the club because you get a free t-shirt. You join becasue you would like to help promote wing chun in APPLICATION.

The club started as a bunch of guys who train in wing chun and wanted to promote the idea of testing what you have learned. Sounds like common sense...but the truth of the matter is that 85% of the people in the world who train wing chun can't fight there way out of a paper bag. Yes I'm guessing...but I'm being generous based on my experiences.

Some people think there is a problem with the system of wing chun. I think there is a probelm with the way most people train wing chun...not the system itself. That being...they assume what they are taught is going to work for them.

The club is not a bunch of guys who think they are unbeatable fighters...and you don't have to be a pro-level fighter to join. It's simply about testing out wing chun under pressure. Something that unfortunately most wing chun schools lack.

[Edmund]

couch, Amp,

I'm talking about the site which Trevor recommended we check out.

It sucks. I've visited once and I'm probably not going to look ever again. I'd say most web browsing people would feel the same. Which doesn't help their cause at all. Why would I want to send videos in? Who's going to watch them? 3 guys?

If they want to *promote* WC fighting then get some *promoting* skills.

Your couple of paragraphs about WC pressure testing on here has more readers than that site.

[anerlich]

Sounds like some people pay way too much attention to what they THINK other people are saying about them. As one of my teachers quotes, "only a fool listens to the braying of the ass."

Both my WC school I call home and BJJ academy I attend at least once a week "pressure test" their stuff, every session. I don't need to pass a test to join a bunch of people I've never met with chips on their shoulders to do this, I'm living it locally.

The poll is stupid. MA's about building bridges, learning from others, not making enemies.

Friends come and go; enemies accumulate.

None of the "Member Benefits" actually look like benefits at all.

[Amp]

Edmund--I agree. There is not much to the site yet...but it is still very young. The guy who runs the site (a good friend of mine) is working on several sites that will prove to be very good resources for wing chun on the net. Here is one of them: http://www.everythingwingchun.com/

anerlich--in my opinion you are wrong. Martial arts aren't about building bridges and helping others...that's called charity. MA's are about fighting.

It's great that you test your skills...and great you added bjj to your wing chun (I also train BJJ and wing chun), but the truth is that most wing chun schools don't produce good fighters b/c they do not test what they are taught. The club is trying to promote the application of wing chun through actual fighting. Not through learning theories like too many martial artists today.

[sir-elrik]

i dnt understand why some people are so negative against our fellow poster actions.
ok the site isnt great, so? i think u missing the point here. The point that much more than should get out of their gym and meet other arts and test their qualities.

[BeginnersMind]

... The club is trying to promote the application of wing chun through actual fighting. Not through learning theories like too many martial artists today.

With all due respect to the guys involved in the club, to claim that fighting in a kwoon or dojo with fighters from other arts is "actual" is really misleading. As i have posted on another forum, I support the motives these guys have for building respect in the MA world for Wing Chun, but please don't confuse controlled contests in a training gym as "actual" fighting. Actual fighting is just that -- in the street with unknown, unpredictable opponent(s) who "actually" mean you harm.

That being said, if they want to test their match-fighting skills - more power to them. If it leads to more respect for WC from the hubristic MMA world, great!

Just MHO.

Chas Fisher
www.realwingchun.com

[Amp]

I don't think anyone would disagree w/ the fact that a street fight is different than a sport fight.

But...I think training and fighting at the gym or dojo is about as close as you can come to 'real' without risking your life and criminal record.

[anerlich]

anerlich--in my opinion you are wrong.

Opinions vary, obviously. So what?


Martial arts aren't about building bridges and helping others...that's called charity. MA's are about fighting.

If helping others isn't the point, then I guess no one should bother joining this cause and helping your good friend achieve his aims, huh?


(I also train BJJ and wing chun),

So does anyone else with half a brain. So, what was *your* number one enemy style in the site's poll? :rolleyes:


The guy who runs the site (a good friend of mine) is working on several sites that will prove to be very good resources for wing chun on the net.

A person less charitable than I might see this as some kind of cross-promotion for a hoped for web empire.

Good luck to you and your good friends, but I still can't see that this is going to achieve anything.

[Edmund]

i dnt understand why some people are so negative against our fellow poster actions.
ok the site isnt great, so? i think u missing the point here. The point that much more than should get out of their gym and meet other arts and test their qualities.

People already do.

How is this site promoting that? A couple of articles that no one is going to read?
A forum with no posts? A private section with nothing in it? Member benefits that no one would want?

Trevor *asked* for opinions on the site. IMO, the site sucks. They are in serious need of a complete overhaul.

[Amp]

If helping others isn't the point, then I guess no one should bother joining this cause and helping your good friend achieve his aims, huh?
Ummm...you do understand that the site is not a martial art right? Martial arts are for fighting, the site is for promoting wing chun (or helping people as you say).



So does anyone else with half a brain. So, what was *your* number one enemy style in the site's poll? :rolleyes:
What is wrong with a poll about what type of fighter you have the most problems against?

We do you think anyone who doesn't train BJJ only has "half a brain?" That's not really fair.



A person less charitable than I might see this as some kind of cross-promotion for a hoped for web empire.

Good luck to you and your good friends, but I still can't see that this is going to achieve anything.

Thanks for your postivity!

Oh yeah...we are trying to build a 'web empire.' Watch out Google...here we come.

[anerlich]

What is wrong with a poll about what type of fighter you have the most problems against?

Not a lot, but your poll is about:

Wing Chun's Worst Enemy / Most Dangerous Foe:

if you want a poll on what type of fighter the visitor has the most problems against, ask:

"What sort of fighter do you have the most problems against?"

Not the melodramatic hyperbole on the site.


Ummm...you do understand that the site is not a martial art right?

Duh!


We do you think anyone who doesn't train BJJ only has "half a brain?" That's not really fair.

I was suggesting that cross-training was important, something with which you apparently agree, despite your chosen additional style being in your list of potential worst enemies. :confused:

Most people with IQ's of two digits or more, who don't resort to semantic twisting because they can't construct a logical argument, would realise that was a figure of speech and not to be taken literally. But if this word boxing makes you happy, enjoy.


Thanks for your postivity!

I'm positive about a lot of things, but not uncritically so.

I don't think the site is a bad thing per se, I just have to question some of the attitudes behind some of what's there.

[Amp]

OK...so exactly what are we arguing about again?

[ZenGuy]

I say it’s a good site, the forum though young seems geered towards the actual application of W/C unlike how many people train, its my hope that one of these guys will actually reinstate some faith in W./C in the MMA community seein as the Wing Chun UFC record is 3 losses to NO wins.
You can chi sao all you want but once it goes live it’s a whole different story.

My lame site (http://www.torquaywingchun.zoomshare.com)

[Edmund]

I say it’s a good site, the forum though young seems geered towards the actual application of W/C unlike how many people train, its my hope that one of these guys will actually reinstate some faith in W./C in the MMA community seein as the Wing Chun UFC record is 3 losses to NO wins.
You can chi sao all you want but once it goes live it’s a whole different story.

My lame site (http://www.torquaywingchun.zoomshare.com)

Gah! Relative to your site, theirs is amazing.

You've got a close up picture of two women's leather boots in your pictures section (WTF?!) and a hell of a lot of spelling errors in your articles.

I'm losing faith in the WC community's web authoring abilities.

[Jam_master]

Kudos on its developers for trying to bring wing chun back in the limelight again. It is a great art undeserving of a lot of the negative PR it's gotten over the years. His obvious good intentions and love for the eart is self evident in his mission. I think it's something all of us that are here do share in common (Love for WC) even if we have disagreeing philosophies or points of views.

All I can say to it's developer is, take all these negative comments posted here to help you make the site better in achieving your intended goal. You definitely can use a better stucture, and more info about fight clubs going on all around. I myself hosted such a club in NY and it was absolutely great. Met a lot people of diferrent wc families with different MA backgrounds, all with a good head on theire shoulders, no egos, that just wanted to challenge what they knew and go beyond the bounds of their school. It was a unique learning experience.

To everyone else (Skeptics especially) offer solutions that can help support further your wing chun community and fellow affectionado, WC bothers at arms!

Our continued division makes us all prone to attack (We've divided ouselves to be easily conquered). We need to support not hate, which has been the biggest problem in our art today, making us all weak and prone to attack by outsiders. Luckily I see that there are a lot of WC practitioners that are tires as I have been about all the politics and school bashing that has gone on over the years. I found that there are a growing number of people out there that are looking to phocus on their art, and leave the politics and egos out.

Support, contribute positive solutions.

Peace,

JM

[Edmund]

Our continued division makes us all prone to attack (We've divided ouselves to be easily conquered). We need to support not hate, which has been the biggest problem in our art today, making us all weak and prone to attack by outsiders.


You can support it. I'm sticking to hate.

There hasn't been a single change to the website in a month. None of you guys who claimed it was a great resource have contributed any content to the site at all in that period. Where's all your fights? So much for video clips being up there soon.

Posting here and saying "Great Site!" is not supporting it at all.

If all you "Fight Club" lovers don't even use the site, I don't see why I should.

[Phuc Carem]

It is like all sites when they begin new, it is getting much better now and will grow even bigger. This will just take some time. Take care and be well.

[Phuc Carem]

Check out the Wing Chun Fight Club it is much better now.

[Alan Orr]

Hi Guys

I added support to this site as I feel anything that helps Wing Chun to focus of being more real is a good thing. What I mean by that is, we have a lot of internet views now days. Which is good in some ways, we can all talk and learn. But the bad point is you get a lot of guys with no idea of Wing Chun skills, making the art look out dated.

Testing in the ring is not 100% real of course. But its a good test of your basics.

My best

Alan

www.alanorr.com

[Phuc Carem]

Alan is correct in that this is a great site to explore, learn, and aquire new training tips and ideas. So just check it out and also provide some advice as well, who knows you may make a difference in someone elses training and attitude.

[Phuc Carem]

There is more and more people registering at The Wing Chun Fight Club with new information and exchange of ideas being posted along with input and ideas needed to set up a Wing Chun Fight Club tournament that will have several events, so check it out for yourself and see.

[VinhXuanGirl]

Join The Wing Chun Fight Club and share in the exchange of training and ideas not to mention that it is a great site to get books, videos, and DVD's related to Wing Chun as well as meet new practitioners in your area or places that you may travel too.

[Alexjediuk]

The website in question has good intentions I think.

This age old bollocks argument about Real vs Ring would be fine if most the people who used it had any experience of either. Fighting some drunk in the street in my experience is a whole lot simpler than fighting a guy who's thought about, lived breathed and sweated over nothing other than beating you for 12 weeks. Ok there can be other factors like numbers or weaponry but how often do you see anyone realistically training to deal with that **** either in the Wing Chun world.???

Anything that promotes the idea of testing your skills is ok by me.

www.cyclonewingchun.co.uk
www.alanorr.com