Does anybody Know Anything about Yip Mans Sup Baat San Sao ?

[Firehawk4]

Yip Mans Sup Baat San Sao Eighteen Separate Hands
Sup Baat San Sao

The Sup Baat San Sao (18 Separate Hands) are believed to be a rare and informal part of the Yip Man Wing Chun Kuen system taught by the late Yip Man to some of his early students. They are typically organized as follows (though thusfar only a small sampling has been possible):

Pien San Choi (Side Body Punch)
Pien San Tan Da (Side Body Disperse and Hit)
Pien San Jut Da (Side Body Choke and Hit)
Pien San Gaun Da (Side Body Cultivate and Hit)
Pien San Pak Da (Side Body Slap and Hit)
Tan Da Seung Chung Choi (Disperse and Hit with Double Punch)
Seung Ma Lien Wan Choi (Chasing Horse Linked Chain Punches)
Seung Ma Jing Gerk (Chasing Horse Straight Kick)
Dai Bong Saam Gwok Pak Da (Low Bong Triangle (Step) Slap and Hit)
Kwan Sao Po Pai Sao (Twining Hands Shield-Holding Hands)
Bong Sao Lop Sao Jong Jeung (Wing Arm Grasping Arm Thrusting Palm)
Gum Sao Saam Gwok Pak Da (Pinning Hand Triangle (Step) Slap and Hit)
Gwun Ma Jin Choi (Pole Horse Arrow Punch)
Seung Lop Sao Gerk (Double Grasp Hands Kick)
Gaun Sao Po Pai Sao (Cultivating Arm Shield-Holding Hands)
Gwai Ma Jin Choi (Kneeling Horse Arrow Punch)
Huen Kao Sao Saam Go Jing Jeung Dae Jeung (Circle and Detain Arm Three Straight Palms Low Palm)
Seung Ma Seung Chuen Sao Seung Chung (Chasing Horse Double Piercing Hand Double Thrust)

[Firehawk4]

Does anybody see these techniques in there Yip Man Wing Chun ?

[Dave P]

Well, I do not recognize all terminology, but some of these explanations are familiar...maybe more or even all, but I don't have the applications clear...

For example...

Kwan Sao Po Pai Sao (Twining Hands Shield-Holding Hands)

If in Kwan Sau position, it might be a logical step to continue with Po Pai...

Bong Sao Lop Sao Jong Jeung (Wing Arm Grasping Arm Thrusting Palm)

Actually, this is an exercise we often do in training. If a straight punch is blocked by Bong Sau (same side) it might be a logical step to continue with Lop Sau and attack.

Gum Sao Saam Gwok Pak Da (Pinning Hand Triangle (Step) Slap and Hit)

I think, here is referred to the section at the end of CK, where the Gum Sau (soh sau) continues as a punch.

Gaun Sao Po Pai Sao (Cultivating Arm Shield-Holding Hands)

Just like in the Kwan Sau Po Pai, Po Pai is a logical next step to continue with after Gaun Sau.

[couch]

Yip Mans Sup Baat San Sao Eighteen Separate Hands
Sup Baat San Sao


Gwun Ma Jin Choi (Pole Horse Arrow Punch)

Seung Lop Sao Gerk (Double Grasp Hands Kick)


The first looks to be the "Battle Punch" found in my family.

The last looks to be the "Heart Thrust Kick" where two hands grab the two hands of your opponent(left grabs right and right grabs left) and then followed by a kick to the chest.

Merry Christmas and all that,
Kenton Sefcik

[nojack]

[QUOTE=Firehawk4;727447]Yip Mans Sup Baat San Sao Eighteen Separate Hands
Sup Baat San Sao

The Sup Baat San Sao (18 Separate Hands) are believed to be a rare and informal part of the Yip Man Wing Chun Kuen system taught by the late Yip Man to some of his early students.


Hey Firehawk4,

Majority of these you mention are the basic drills that my group practices all the time, is no big deal.

[Firehawk4]

Hi guys i was just wondering about this Yip Man San Sik as i find the San Sik from different Wing Chun lineages interesting . I wonder how the San Sik from each Wing Chun lineage relates to each other .

[Liddel]

[QUOTE=Firehawk4;727447]Yip Mans Sup Baat San Sao Eighteen Separate Hands
Sup Baat San Sao............
Majority of these you mention are the basic drills that my group practices all the time, is no big deal.

Same for me also, these are typical drills ......Drills for making form actions natural by grouping them in functional / practical orders... we have some of the ones you mention and others that Sifu or myself have made for ourselves to practice.

Anyone with imagination can create them :)

[stonecrusher69]

In the lineage I practice there is no formal san sik or 18 hands.We do practice many applications and in combo's,but there is no formal way of pacticing them.