Could somebody please tell me where I can buy videos on Hebei style Hsing-i?

[phantom]

I only know of videos on Shanxi style. Thanks in advance.

[Stranger]

I don't know how good the videos are, but Adam Hsu, Liang Shou-yu, and Huang Chien Liang all have videos on Hebei Hsing-i. Apparently Hebei style is more popular among Taiwanese, so that might also help you hunting down options.

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

[PlasticSquirrel]

kwong winglam also has videos. his videos have a very good reputation, and his curriculum is standard. it's not orthodox hebei xingyiquan, though, but rather sun (sun lutang) style. sun style uses a bit different stances and forms.

i believe that adam hsu just has xingyiquan included in a demonstrational video. it's a video that shows applications for northern styles.

liang shouyu and yang jwingming have one that accompanies their book, but i'm not sure if it shows much more than the animals.

george xu has videos for henan liuhe xinyiquan. it is the predecessor of xingyiquan, and quite different (no elemental forms, 10 animals). it's supposed to be a very powerful style, though. also, it uses shaolin stances. george xu is supposed to be really good, too.

jiang jianye has many videos, but i'm not sure if he shows more than the form and applications. frankly, i wouldn't get his videos for more than form and applications (not for learning a system). the guy's good if you already learned the forms somewhere else, though.

there are some others out there as well. i know that tc media sells some, as well as panther (i think it was them).

the only video i've actually seen, though, is one of kwong winglam's. it was quite good. very thorough. you really learn it the way it would be taught in a class, and his reputation is good.

[Julian Dale]

Try HsingYi.org, Ken fish teaches Hebei style hsing yi. I did hear that he had done some videos not sure if they are available or not but worth a look

[Stranger]

Are you sure on that web address? I couldn't get it to work.

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

[Mojo]

Go to Hsing-I.com and buy some of Mike Pattersons videos.
He learned Hebei Hsing-I in Taiwan. ( even though he thinks it's Shanxi )

[Stranger]

Aw come on dude, please explain. You got me curious, and I am personally uninvolved so I am not baiting you for a counter-attack. Please, Please,Please! :D

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

[Mojo]

Well...... o.k.
Mike Patterson is a student of Master Hsu Hong Chi , who was a student of Master Hung I Shiang, who was a student of Master Chang chun Feng on Taiwan.( please forgive my spelling )
Master Chang's Hsing-I is Hebei with a little Shandong mixed in, his top American student DR. Ken Fish confirms this.
Master Hsu's top American student Shyrfu John Price confirms his Hsing-I is Hebei.
But Shyrfu Price has also stated that Master Hsu never really explained where his Hsing-I came from. It wasn't an issue with anyone back then, you just practiced Hsing-I.
So, in my humble oppinion, Mike decided on his own that his style was Sanxi and when challenged on it refused to back down, for whatever reason.
So lies the confusion.
It's hardly important since its the practice of the art thats important, and Mike has good skills and has shown that he can pass them on to his students.

[Stranger]

Thanks Mojo.

:)

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

[cagey_vet]

state anywhere in any official lineage that
shrfu price was hsu hong chi's top student.
:)
but that is minor, as shrfu patterson has addressed
the other issue fully and you most likely know this. there is no
reason to spread confusion to someone who innocently
asks for information.
you make it seem like shrfu patterson is a d0rk
(we BOTH know this is not the case) and it looks like you try to
discredit him by trying to create
an inconsistency which has been previously and
resoundingly resolved :)
but on the other hand, you credit his skills in
both his kung fu, and his teaching... so you
arent a bad guy after all ;)

shrfu pattersons video tapes are great.
once you are blown away by the opening sequence
on the tapes, you are thouroughly introduced
to the forms, and various applications from them.
the forms are shown at several speeds, and the applications are shown with a breakdown of the mechanics involved.

lot of tips and tricks included during the breakdowns.

[Julian Dale]

Try asking the same question at www.emptyflower.com (http://www.emptyflower.com) specialist site focussing on Hsing yi, ba gua and tai chi. Very good content and many skilled people there

[Mojo]

cagey_vet
As to Shyrfu Price being Master Hsu's top student, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
As to what style of Hsing-I that Shyrfu Patterson teaches and practices, I did not know that was a 'previously and resoundingly resolved issue'. I thought, perhaps mistakenly, that he still claimed he did Shanxi style.
I don't think Shyrfu Patterson is a '****' either. I respect his kung-fu.

[devere]

Thanks for the props on my EF site Wong Ying.

As far as Xingyi vids:
- Do a search on Amazon.com for "Hsing-I" by Ji-Jian Cheng.

- Try Patterson's at Hsing-I.com. I have several and are very good. Don't worry about Shanxi this or Hebei that. Focus on the Xingyi itself being good...that's all that matters.

- Go to PlumFlower.com, there's a Xingyiquan vid there but it's in Chinese. I have it and it's good just to watch for the forms.

- I have (still) a great collection of old footage that Dr. Fish gave me of his teacher Zhang Junfeng and students doing xingyi, as well as Hung-I Hsiang and many others. I promised to put this on my emptyFlower site months ago...I just need to encode it, but I promise it'll be posted soon.

[PlasticSquirrel]

i look forward to that. your site is the best out there. i'm not sure there are any other xingyi clips on the internet (besides sifu patterson's, which are way different from normal xingyi), so it will be a great addition. :)

[wujidude]

Gerald Sharp has a set of nicely-produced videos on Jiang Rongqiao's xingyiquan. Jiang was a student of Zhang Zhaodong. Sharp studied with Jiang's adopted daughter. His website is www.chiflow.com (http://www.chiflow.com). His videos can also be obtained through Unique Publications and I think www.tai-chi.com (http://www.tai-chi.com) as well. Sharp's videos focus more on the execution of the forms than on in-depth applications, although applications are shown.

[blkbelt65]

Do you study with Sharp or his videos?

[Kevin Wallbridge]

The videos that accompany Ling Shouyu's book (there is lots of Yang Jwingming's scholarship evident in the book, but the Xingyi is all Liang's) were produced by Sam Masich (Little Productions). They are some of the best laid out and edited tapes for any martial art. They go far beyond the usual "show the form from the front-show the form from the back." The tapes include Liang doing the Five fists, some applications, the Anshenpao two person form, and the animal linking set. The individual animal forms were produced seperately by Yang Jwingming (YMAA) and are less instructional. If I recall correctly the forms are performed by two students one male and one female (a fellow I don't know and Kelly MacLean), with Liang showing some applications.

I've only seen a small amount of Patterson's videos but they looked pretty good overall.

[CD Lee]

Your site is absolutely the best out there. Keep up the good work!!!!

Anything you have on Ken Fish, please publish, as he is a great resource. Also, thanks for the recent articles from Brazil, as they have a unique perspective on XingyiQuan, and approach. Although the English could be improved upon, the last article was fantastic!

Keep up the great work!

-Boxerman