book - Wing Chun Warrior - Duncan Leung's True Fighting Episodes

[Hitman]

Dear all,
Does any one know where I can get this book in England. I have already tried amazon.co.uk, but could not find it. I do not want to order it from America, because I do not have a credit card.


Wing Chun Warrior - Duncan Leung's True Fighting Episodes



Thank you

Hitman

[lui1828]

Look for book under "Fiction"

[BeginnersMind]

Hitman:

To get this book, try the contacts in the pasted post (from Sifu Leung's website) below:

"The new book about SiFu Leung titled - Wing Chun Warrior - is available at:

Jackco Company Limited (NOTE: make the check out to this name)
2740 Sonic Drive
Virginia Beach, Va 23453
U.S.A.

This book is available in English and also Chinese. Specifiy which one you wish to receive.

Send a check or money order for the amount of $25.00 PLUS $7.00 for US shipping, $15.00 Overseas shipping to (note shipping has changed);

Please make sure you don't forget your own name, address and telephone numbers.

The book is available for local pick up at:

Jowga Kung Fu Association
3221 Virginia Beach Blvd
Virginia Beach, VA
Ph: 757-463-8888

Call before you come. Do not call this number for mail orders."

lui1828: If we really wanted a pithy pi$$ant comment, someone would have asked for it. I guess now we know who to go to. :)

regards,
Chas Fisher

[Tony So]

Duncan Leung.....armed only with a pair of chop sticks...defeats a man attacking him with a pool stick.....and you think this isn't fiction!!!

In the words of Sho Nuff - The Shogun of Harlem....Nigga Please!:)

[lui1828]

Tony: Thanks for the thumbs up.
I didn't read the book, and I don't know sifu Leung.

But let's get real. How many undefeated Tiger's of Kwangtong, Hubei, Shanghai..
do we have .?

We hear of masters with dozens of win records in matches not documented in film or print.

We have a wing chun guy who fought 10, or is it now 20 guys?, while locked
in a ship cabin.

We have , as Tony wrote, a master who does battle while armed with chopsticks.

Until these outlandish claims are exposed, these masters will remain as
"Legends in their own mind".

[samson818]

Havent read Duncan Leung's book, but going by his personality, I dont take him as the kind of person to exagerrate or BS. And I have met many who like to do both.

He seems to be a no frills, straight to the point guy.
Chopsticks against pool cue, if the guy with a pool cue doesnt know how to fight, is it so unbelievable?

[Tony So]

Hey, we all want to believe in heros. But come on, gimm me a break!

There is the chopsticks vs. pool stick
There is the Blindfolded with Double Knives vs. Razor Sharp Sword Wielding Expert
and oh yea...there is the obligitory mysterious old man who taught Duncan the secret death touch....

I think this guy had Over Dosed on Kung Fu Theater. What's really sad is so many brain dead followers who buy this load of................

Duncan Leung may be a very talented Kung Fu man, as well as a good fighter.... but if he persist in telling such tall tales as true events, it will call his credability into question by anyone who does not blindly follow.

[BeginnersMind]

Sifu Duncan did not write, nor does he promote this book.

The original poster did not ask for anyone's opinion, he just asked where to get it.

I am disappointed at how many trolling lineage attackers there are on this forum, so quick to malign individuals they have no experience with.

Get a life!

Chas Fisher

[lui1828]

The title of the book is "Duncan Leung's True Fighting Episodes".
Notice the word "True" in the title.

see www.wcarchive.com for the cover page.

So Sifu Leung did not write the book or endorse it. Perhaps the book is about another wing chun master named Duncan Leung.

Why doesn't sifu Leung denounce the book as pure fantasy and demand that the publishers destroy all copies of the book.?

Or at least rename the book as "Duncan Leung's Semi-true Fighting Episodes".

[Hitman]

Dear all,
Thank for all your replies.
Regardless whether the book is fact or fiction. Does it contains more than 40% information about authentic training method or tips in wing chun that can be use in real life?


Chas,
Please try to understand why people find this book to be unbelievable. There are too many people making themselves very famous and very rich by telling stories or writing books about subjects they are not qualified. For examples:

How to get rich books.
How to win the lottery books
Software about predicting the winning lottery balls
martial arts books
self help books
history books
self defence books
etc.

I had read a martial arts book about different martial arts around the world. It contained 2 pages of information how the Greek taught the whole world how to fight! After invading India, one of soliders from Alexander the great's army decided to teach the Indian people how to fight. The Indian then taught the Chinese. Later, the Greek martial arts spread to the whole world!
The author claimed to have learnt Greek martial arts, western boxing and Thai boxing. He even produced a name of the person, who had taught the Indiian how to fight. However, his story was full of holes.
If the Greek people had taught the whole world how to fight, then why is the author learning martial arts from different countries, e.g western boxing, Thai boxing, etc!
Answer - that author is a conman!

I got several martial arts books from China about eagle claw and other styles. They turned out to be badly written kick boxing books instead!
I got two films produced in China demonstrating different type of Chinese martial arts. The films showed forms only and some rehearsed sparring rountines. They did not demonstrate that those practitioners could used their martial arts in a fight.
I can go on and on ............



From all the corresponding I had with Sifu Leung on his forum, I believed that he is honest and caring teacher. He is also a very good teacher, who is will to help strangers learning wing chun.

As regard to the book - I have not read it, so no comments.

Hitman

[BeginnersMind]

Hitman:

i am happy to give you my own comments on the book. As a lineage-holder within the Duncan Leung family, i have some experience with the system as it was passed through to me, and can give you my own opinions on the book.

send me a PM if you want to discuss it more.

cheers!

Chas Fisher

[Tony So]

Wow Chas, That's Cool!

Does this mean you have learned the entire system including the Pole, Knives and CHOPSTICKS!:)

[SavvySavage]

where can we buy this book? I couldn't find it on Amazon.

[TenTigers]

Chopsticks vs Pool Cue
First, having not read the book, speaking totally from speculation (or possibly another place:p ) Let's look at the following:
There are styles that do indeed teach chopsticks as a weapon-Hak Fu Mun has a chopsticks and bowl set.
Chopsticks can be used to strike vital points, My Sifu taught this as well.

Anyone who knows dan-doa, or butterfly knives knows that you close distance from outside critical distance to inside. Many applications were taught against longer weapons-spear, staff.
Duncan Leung is a no-nonesense fighter
Now-take a guy who is NOT a skilled fighter, wielding a pool cue:
Most likeley will use a two handed overhead strike, or side strike.
This is not a difficult strike to avoid,step inside, etc. A well-seasoned fighter could accomplish this.
so...where's the beef?

[Tony So]

Hey guys, I was just kidding. Trying to get under Chas's skin. Really, the Chopsticks Vs. Pool Stick isn't that hard to believe, when you take into account the skill level of Duncan Leung, and the possible lack of skill of the pool stick weilder. In reality, It kind of reminds me of something that happened to me!

I was getting a cup of Joe at Starbucks when a man attacked me with a Bicsotti, fortunatly I was able to defeat him with two coffee stirs useing the double knife techniques I learned from a mysterious old man!

Come on, you believe Duncan, why not me!:)

[TenTigers]

I believe you.
Hey, you can kill a man with a lima bean.

-of course, you have to first tape it to the bumper of a Mack Truck...

[lui1828]

I can't believe all these "I believe sifu whether he's a bs artist or not".

So Duncan can defend himself with chopsticks.
Are we to believe his opponent was equally expert in the use of a (pool) stick.

Besides if Ducan was a real expert he would need only one chopstick (not a pair) to defend himself.

As to forms with chopsticks , that's a laugh in itself. Forms can't even teach you unarmed selfdefense let alone weapons useage.

[Paul T England]

Forms are not supposed to teach you self defence!

Bottom line, is the book worth getting if you like duncan and wing chun in general?

[lui1828]

After what Tony and I have posted I'am not why anyone would pay more than $3.00 for that comic book. By the way, it is a comic book.! Ducan's super exploits are drawn in comic book style. You can see a sample page on wcarchive.com. Do a search on books, duncan leung.

[Average Joe]

I have seen many types of wing chun posted on the internet. Seeing some of Duncan Leungs lineage videos including his own show a great difference in his methods or concepts than many other lines under Yip Man. By the way the link for the book is http://wingchunkungfu.cn/Catalog.html
I have also read this book and I have shared it with a friend also. I read it and was awestruck at the things that he has done. My friend read it and he was skeptical. We both read the same book but everyone hads different opinions. Not believing that he was Bruce lee's cousin is just the same as not believing the chopstick story. besides a chop stick jammed in you cheek has got to end a fight. page 139.

[Paul T England]

I have the first five dvds by Duncan Leung and I watch them and learn for them regularly.

When I first started watching them I found some of the drills and principles very different. I was happy that the forms seemed very close to the Ip Chun system I have learnt.

After watching more I have found the concepts and drills very practical and use some of them when teaching my students now.

For the humble student I think access to students of Ip Man is great and an opportunity not to be missed either dvd, book or seminar....I have been lucky to talk and train with several of Ip Man's students and lineages and they all have something to offer. Duncan is a very good wing chun man.

Paul

[Hitman]

1. using a chop sticks vs. pool stick.
This could have happened - if you cannot run and those are the only things you have with you at the time, then use them as weapons. Or do you want to fight an armed person without a weapon! This was what some ancient unarmed karate masters had to do. They were fighting against armed Japanese occupiers and survived.
There are many self defence clubs + self-defence books that teach people to use anything they have on them as a weapon, e.g. newspaper, book, keys, torch, bicycle, pen, pencil, comb, hand bag, etc. However, I am not sure the level of skills some of those teachers were. Some of them are fake and conmen!

Please correct me if I am wrong about some of the details in the following event, because it happened so long ago: (The man got killed by an axe at day time was correct.)

There was an elderly man killed by a person with an axe two years ago (?) in Britain. This was showed on the BBC evening news. When he was underattacked, he picked up a dustin bin lid to protect himself from a dust bin outside somebody's house. Unfortunately, he got killed on the main road at day time, and witnesses were present. I am not sure whether the police had caught the killer or not.

The point I am trying to make is - if your life is in danger, then use anything to save yourself. Do not worry about whether you know how to use it or not. Or whether people are laughing at your! Worry about them, after you have survived the attack! You may looked like a fool to other people, but you may live. Which one is more important - staying alive or ending up death?


2.There is the Blindfolded with Double Knives vs. Razor Sharp Sword Wielding Expert.

Not sure whether this is truth or not. Fighting blindfolded with out a weapon or with a weapon is not recommended. You are always in a disadvantage situation, unless you have no choice, e.g. war - fighting in a very thick jungle at night, without any light is eqivalent to both of you and your opponent(s) being blindfolded, e.g. Second World War.

There is a small paragraph in Sifu Ting Leung's book - wing chun kuen, described Sifu Yip Man blindfolded and sparred with a choy lee fut master in an unarmed demonstration, inorder to raise money for a charity. The match was declared as a draw.



On the Sun newspaper or Morrior newspaper several years ago, there was an article about a blind female karate student (brown or black belt), who could spar and beat up people in her club. She was also a school teacher. She could tell how many people were in the room by listening to their foot steps.
However, she had been blind for more than 10 years and were forced to learn to listen to movement of sound. She was one in ten thousand, who could do it.



3. there is the obligitory mysterious old man who taught Duncan the secret death touch....
No comments.


Tony or anyone- can you provid more information why you think the book is fiction.

Does the book contains any information regarding to wing chun training method & application in real fighting?


Thank you
Hitman

[k gledhill]

I believe you.
Hey, you can kill a man with a lima bean.

-of course, you have to first tape it to the bumper of a Mack Truck...

lmao :D very funny

[Tony So]

First of all, this book is a comic book. And I'm sorry, but the stories are so out in left field, Only the weak minded could take them seriously.

Second, as far as Leung's training is concerned.... I have seen the movies of his school, and those of his lineage... I see many things that I find hard to understand from a Wing Chun perspective. Kwan Sao against the Round House Kick for example...Talk about force against Force! and I see his students doing this where both sides are heavly padded up. Kicker with 3 or 4 leg pads on, and defender with 3 or 4 arm pads on.....This gives a false sense as to how well this defensive method will reaklly work. Without the pads and against someone who can really deliver a round kick...Like a Thai...the defender useing the Kwan sao will likely end up with broken arms, Think about it, You are facing a guy delivering a rear leg round house kick...if you have time to step in to the kick and lift your leg to guard and block with a Kwan Sao, you could have stepped away from the kick and delivered your own kick to the kickers supporting leg, without ever having to engage the Round kick. This would be a non force against force application. All of their Wing Chun seems to be very LONG RANGE application....Isn't Wing Chun supposed to be a close range system. Theirs does not seem to be. Their Circle training really focuses on long range application, with very committed technique application and no closeing the gap to a close range.

It may be effective for some, but it's not my cup of tea....I would however love to learn that chopstick thing......:p

[FooFighter]

I have read the book and taught it was informative, educational, and entertaining. It doesn't matter if anyone believes the stories of any sifu, but what matters is a sifu can teach you how to use the art. Based on my experience of Sibak Duncan Leung, he does teach his students how to apply wing chun under fighting conditionings and definitely is a master of his art. Moreover, he doesn't need anyone defending him, but I think it is disrespectful to attack any established wing chun sifus. More could be accomplish if we discuss our technical disagreements, than attacking a person's personal character. Just my two cents.

Tony,

My suggestion to you go to a Duncan Leung branch and see why it works or don't work. I am not trying to be funny here. I am sure some of the instructors or seniors would be glad to clear up any misunderstandings you may have about their techniques. Their techniques work because of their application "coverage" and knowing how to use strongest leverage and structure in (kwan sao) against the weakest structure of a roundhouse kick. The pads are to protect the kickers (non-wing chun person) against the wing chun's offense/defense. Not a wing chun person from a non-wing chun attacker. Wearing pads allows the non-wing chun attacker to apply more pressure behind an attack and for the wing chun athlete to feel some real pressure against his techniques (kwan sao). This is how they know if their hands will work under real conditions. Of course, if you don't know how to use kwan sao properly, you can break your arms against a roundhouse. This is what attracted me to Sibak Duncan Leung and Sifu Allan Lee. Their wing chun techniques can truly handle some serious attacks, which intuitively seem impossible.

PS: I just remembered a story told by one of Yip Man's sons of the 'Old Man' disarming a man with a loaded gun. Is this fact or fiction? Should I be disrespectful and mock Yip Man's fighting ability and character? I don't think so. Could Yip Man teach students how to use the art? YES. Likewise Sibak Duncan Leung has helped many to use the art and it doesn't matter if don't believe none of his stories. The question always goes back to function and can I apply what my sifu is teaching me in fighting? Duncan Leung could have fought and beaten a man with a pool stick with his chop sticks? the story sounds like pulp fiction, but if it is true, than it is a wonderful wing chun tale for the future generation. If it is not true, doesn't take away the work he has done for wing chun gung fu. Last note, I believe all good teachers encourage healthy skepticism, but not bad manners. I have no problem with the skeptics here, but let us not be rude when we don't have the facts or experience to support our doubts or feelings.

[Hitman]

Dear Bao,

Does the book contains more than 30% information regarding to wing chun training method & application in real fighting?



Thank you
Hitman

[FooFighter]

Hit Man,

This book is not a how to book about wing chun, however it does outline some of vital wing chun concepts that helped Sibak win his fights and maybe some of the ideas will fill in the gaps for some students? Most of the book's content contain his personal fighting experiences and history. If you are looking for a how to book on wing chun, than this book isn't for you. If you want to learn more about Duncan Leung, than this book is for you.

[Cheito Ito]

After what Tony and I have posted I'am not why anyone would pay more than $3.00 for that comic book. By the way, it is a comic book.! Ducan's super exploits are drawn in comic book style. You can see a sample page on wcarchive.com. Do a search on books, duncan leung.

Tony,Ihave no idea who you are.but I see you know nothing about wing chun,and even less about SiFu Duncan.so please if you want to know how SiFu Duncan stops roundhouse kicks,please visit one of his student in nyc.he will be MORE than HAPPY to show you how we do it.NO POWER WHATS SO EVER.JUST PROPER POSITIONING.:D :D :D

[FooFighter]

Cheito Ito,

I think Tony has a right to be a skeptic (good martial artists are generally skeptical), but I think it is unfair to assume he knows nothing wing chun. It is clear he has no direct experience with Duncan Leung and his methodology. Tony has the right to think as he likes, but forcing him to change his view will do nothing. I am sure if he feels like knowing the truth, he would simply visit a Duncan Leung branch or study his materials. If he doesn't care, than it no big deal. The world moves on. Martial arts is such a hostile environment these days, it is better to be a farmer. ;)

[VinhXuanGirl]

The Wing Chun Fight Club sells this book and many more books, tapes and DVD's this is a good site to look through and find Wing Chun related items.