Bagua Dao Lineages

[dedalus]

I know that there are already a few threads on the bagua dao, but I have a question that I don't think has been addressed elsewhere.

I'm quite interested in learning this particular weapon, but I'm not sure that the form exists in the lineage I practise (Chiang Chiao-Tung).

I know that Yin Fu is famous for practicing with this particular weapon, but I was wondering if anybody knows whether he developed the form himself, or learnt it from Dong Hai-Chuan, or whether other non-Yin lineages have their own routine?

For anybody who has experience in different bagua styles, to what extent will the principles of the Yin form gel with the way I've already learnt to move in the Chaing style? (That's almost another topic, but an interesting one I think).

[Crimson Phoenix]

OK, I practice Jiang Rong Qiao's Xingyi Bagua and we have the bagua dao (I guess you're reffering to the oversized version right??).
I thought the oversized dao was common in bagua regardless of styles but your question might mean I'm wrong...
Anyway, the "Chiang" you are reffering to, is it in pinyin Zhang Zhao Dong (seems like it)???
If so, there is a great probability that you have the dao, since Jiang Rong Qiao was a direct student og Zhang...
Hope that can help you...

[dedalus]

Same lineage spelt poorly (I just had a shot at how it sounded... embarrasing, I know).

Do you know of any resources for the Jiang-style form considering that I can't learn it directly?

[Crimson Phoenix]

Barehand, I have a book from my sifu...but with the dao, I have not heard of any (which doesn't mean there is none)...

[dedalus]

Hmmm... lazy thread on the dao...

Although I'm not so keen to learn the forms, I'd also be interested to hear what's known about the origins of bagua's other "trademark" weapon, the deerhorn knives...

I've found some good information already at the following site (which links to several others):

http://www.bodymindharmony.com/yuepix.htm

[RAF]

http://www.plumpub.com/sales/vcd/vcd39.htm

Interesting sets of VCDs

Master Su Yu Chang has offered a bagua seminar in which he teaches the bagua da dao.

http://www.wutangcenter.com/Su.html
http://www.wutangcenter.com/seminars.html

Master Su should be offering a review of the da dao at our Hall of Fame Tournament, Canton Ohio, October 5,6,and 7.

http://www.wutangcenter.com/TournamentSeminars.htm

Happy trails.

[Daniel Madar]

joseph crandall. Do a search for joseph Crandall, smiling tiger and ba gua, and you should find his info somewhere

Merciless is Mercy.

[dwid]

Please drop me an e-mail at:

tichy.1@osu.edu

I'd like to ask you about your school/instructor.

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The way of the samurai is in desperateness. Ten men or more cannot kill such a man. Common sense will not accomplish great things. Simply become insane and desperate. - Hagakure

[RAF]

DWID:

I'll drop you a line later today. If you can, why don't you come up to the tournament and catch the Masters Demonstration.

Later.

[dwid]

I would really like to. If I had known about it a while ago, I would have planned to come. As it is, I'm going to be at a monastary in n. california when the tournament is happening.

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The way of the samurai is in desperateness. Ten men or more cannot kill such a man. Common sense will not accomplish great things. Simply become insane and desperate. - Hagakure

[dedalus]

Daniel,

I've come across Joseph Crandall's books before. There are quite a lot for sale at:

http://site.netopia.com/bagua/displayroom/category.nhtml?catuid=10063

I haven't been willing to take the plunge on buying any yet... has anyone found them worthwhile?