B.Tunks
03-21-2007, 06:51 AM
Continued from the other thread:
RF,
>Thanks for the reply.
No worries.
> I know what you mean. I saw, for example, a video of Yu Tianlu playing a Fan Che form and it's pretty standard as far as stances and moves go. However, It looks to me that the footwork in our (Luo Guang Yu - Lin Bo Yan) family is quite different to that of the Shandong based clubs.
It would be for some (as it may even be when compared to some other streams of the LGY line). However, it's probably not ideal to compare by video.
>I don't like that system of place names for Mantis that I brought up for a few reasons. The group of similar styles I mentioned gets called Hong Kong Mantis.
Not always.
>However, Lin Boyan trained directly with Luo Guang Yu in Shanghai early on, then after he graduated eventually relocated to Malaysia and Singapore where he trained his next generation. Hong Kong was not in the equation at all.
Agreed. This is why I would never refer to it as such (and although I am not paid as Steve Cottrell's defence lawyer, I'm pretty sure that he has never made that mistake in regards to your line either). However, I wouldn't hesitate to add the SE Asia or Malaysia descriptor to the LGY or Jingwu labels. It just makes it a little easier, especially as people generally know that when using such names you are referring to descendants of LBY, HJH etc.
>If pressed to identify groups that appear more similar to each other and give them place names I usually come up with these:
1) Post revolution mainland China Mantis
2) Everywhere else Mantis.
Although personally I think this is little too broad, its just as reasonable and if it suits your purposes then its good enough.
>And don't forget I'm only talking about Seven Star.
Post revolution mainland seven star mantis would include LGY and all of his descendants up until the anti-Japanese war, which lumps it in with just about everything else apart from it's derivatives in HK, Macau and SE Asia (and the West). In that case, your own family would be in a separate category from it's root school. Is that what you mean?
If you meant post-cultural revolution then that's a whole other kettle of fish.
>And finally - Luo Guang Yu was from Shandong as is the known lineage of 7* so it's all Shandong Mantis.
Right. It is. However, no matter how much in common, there are still variations which do occur in different countries, regions and cities.
>Of course, we know what we mean and that's just semantics - which is what a lot of this comes down to finally.
Agreed. Any deeper would be a bit pointless as we both seem to have our clear positions and therefore might possibly understand each other a little better. Interesting all the same.
BT
RF,
>Thanks for the reply.
No worries.
> I know what you mean. I saw, for example, a video of Yu Tianlu playing a Fan Che form and it's pretty standard as far as stances and moves go. However, It looks to me that the footwork in our (Luo Guang Yu - Lin Bo Yan) family is quite different to that of the Shandong based clubs.
It would be for some (as it may even be when compared to some other streams of the LGY line). However, it's probably not ideal to compare by video.
>I don't like that system of place names for Mantis that I brought up for a few reasons. The group of similar styles I mentioned gets called Hong Kong Mantis.
Not always.
>However, Lin Boyan trained directly with Luo Guang Yu in Shanghai early on, then after he graduated eventually relocated to Malaysia and Singapore where he trained his next generation. Hong Kong was not in the equation at all.
Agreed. This is why I would never refer to it as such (and although I am not paid as Steve Cottrell's defence lawyer, I'm pretty sure that he has never made that mistake in regards to your line either). However, I wouldn't hesitate to add the SE Asia or Malaysia descriptor to the LGY or Jingwu labels. It just makes it a little easier, especially as people generally know that when using such names you are referring to descendants of LBY, HJH etc.
>If pressed to identify groups that appear more similar to each other and give them place names I usually come up with these:
1) Post revolution mainland China Mantis
2) Everywhere else Mantis.
Although personally I think this is little too broad, its just as reasonable and if it suits your purposes then its good enough.
>And don't forget I'm only talking about Seven Star.
Post revolution mainland seven star mantis would include LGY and all of his descendants up until the anti-Japanese war, which lumps it in with just about everything else apart from it's derivatives in HK, Macau and SE Asia (and the West). In that case, your own family would be in a separate category from it's root school. Is that what you mean?
If you meant post-cultural revolution then that's a whole other kettle of fish.
>And finally - Luo Guang Yu was from Shandong as is the known lineage of 7* so it's all Shandong Mantis.
Right. It is. However, no matter how much in common, there are still variations which do occur in different countries, regions and cities.
>Of course, we know what we mean and that's just semantics - which is what a lot of this comes down to finally.
Agreed. Any deeper would be a bit pointless as we both seem to have our clear positions and therefore might possibly understand each other a little better. Interesting all the same.
BT