styles that compete in san shou

[xmma]

are there certain kung-fu styles that tend to have more involvement in the competitive san shou arena than others? if so, what are they?

[Sifu Darkfist]

We at Wu Tang are very involved. Alot of other guys on here are as well, I Know
Jow Ga guys are heavy into, along with David Ross's NY San DA (basically san shou with minor differences) Also if you hear LEi Tai then it is another form of full contact Chinese Fighting (the original). I am sure several guys will speak up on this subject.

THe strange thing is many have foresaken the traditional fighting for the glitz of televisions MMA events. So there are alot fewer teams in the USA. There still remains a large force outside of our borders where there is less comercialism and more focus on the athletic (as in forced to fight till KO or until rounds are over (no submission) ) and traditional fighting styles.

[xmma]

is your wu tang school more the exception or the norm compared to other wu tang schools regarding san shou involvement?

what about other styles like preying mantis and wing chun and monkey and white crane and shaolin etc etc

i'm sure there are schools here and there of lots of styles that do it, but i want to know if there are particular styles that really gravitate towards it more than others. for example, do a lot of preying mantis schools train for competitive san shou?

[MasterKiller]

It's not a style issue (unless you are going to a San Shou school). Some teachers empahsize San Shou, some don't. You will just have to find a school, regardless of style, that emphasizes a curriculum that fits your needs.

[xmma]

but do you think because of the mma phenom that this will be a credibility issue for kung-fu schools?

if they dont advertise the fact that they do hard sparring/san shou, then it is just assumed the school just does forms and theoretical applications.

i think the reality check mma is bringing to the kung-fu world is huge, and is gonna stay. i bet more and more schools are gonna get more involved in san shou, just so that they can have public credibility. i wanted to see if stylistically if some kung-fu systems were ahead of the curve...beyond just an individual school choice.

[bodhitree]

wrestling, muay thai, judo, and boxing do well;)

[SevenStar]

THe strange thing is many have foresaken the traditional fighting for the glitz of televisions MMA events. So there are alot fewer teams in the USA. There still remains a large force outside of our borders where there is less comercialism and more focus on the athletic (as in forced to fight till KO or until rounds are over (no submission) ) and traditional fighting styles.

Many what? CMA does not have a big presence in mma at all. If you mean the mainstream population, they were NEVER interested in san shou anyway... a lot of them aren't interested in mma either. Pro wrestling and boxing are both much bigger.

[PangQuan]

Many what? CMA does not have a big presence in mma at all. If you mean the mainstream population, they were NEVER interested in san shou anyway... a lot of them aren't interested in mma either. Pro wrestling and boxing are both much bigger.

to further expand, why do you think this is the case?

why, if practically every other martial art is involved in MMA why not kung fu?

whats the big deal, i dont really get it.

kungfu guys must all just be scared i guess.

I mean i understand the idea of carrying on your art the traditional way it was taught and not changing your program to fit the needs of an MMA venue, but i mean if i was a kungfu instructor, i would feel like quite the chump if i didnt have even one guy i was training for the cage/ring....


i guess more people like me need to teach.

[MasterKiller]

i think the reality check mma is bringing to the kung-fu world is huge, and is gonna stay. i bet more and more schools are gonna get more involved in san shou, just so that they can have public credibility. i wanted to see if stylistically if some kung-fu systems were ahead of the curve...beyond just an individual school choice.


What "systems" are there? Schools are not affiliated with a "system." They teach a certain lineage. Sometimes, you have a few schools banded together through that lineage, but there aren't any "systems" out there forcing curriculum changes in individual schools.

It's not like all Hung Gar schools are going to wake up one morning and suddenly start fighting more.

Some schools fight. Some don't.

[Royal Dragon]

kungfu guys must all just be scared i guess.

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No, they just all go to San Shou and Kuo Shou.

[xmma]

to further expand, why do you think this is the case?

why, if practically every other martial art is involved in MMA why not kung fu?

whats the big deal, i dont really get it.

kungfu guys must all just be scared i guess.

I mean i understand the idea of carrying on your art the traditional way it was taught and not changing your program to fit the needs of an MMA venue, but i mean if i was a kungfu instructor, i would feel like quite the chump if i didnt have even one guy i was training for the cage/ring....

i guess more people like me need to teach.

maybe its cos losing a match will shatter the illusion of invincibility. but i think because of mma, lack of participation may be what shatters the illusion of invincibility

[xmma]

What "systems" are there? Schools are not affiliated with a "system." They teach a certain lineage. Sometimes, you have a few schools banded together through that lineage, but there aren't any "systems" out there forcing curriculum changes in individual schools.

It's not like all Hung Gar schools are going to wake up one morning and suddenly start fighting more.

Some schools fight. Some don't.

then what lineages of what styles of kung-fu are known, have reps of doing san shou? is it really as random as you're making it seem? or are there lineages in different styles that have a reputation for competing in san shou?

[Sifu Darkfist]

is your wu tang school more the exception or the norm compared to other wu tang schools regarding san shou involvement?

what about other styles like preying mantis and wing chun and monkey and white crane and shaolin etc etc

i'm sure there are schools here and there of lots of styles that do it, but i want to know if there are particular styles that really gravitate towards it more than others. for example, do a lot of preying mantis schools train for competitive san shou?

WuTang's background in protection of people as well as military, and the old challenges historical with Figures such as GGM Li Shu Wen.
A long tradition of Lei Tai and combatant training coincides perfectly with the need to hone skills and sport fighting. Many of our schools continue this strong tradition. My opinion is all schools need to fight if for nothing else to allow someone the experience of being hit so that they can develop the ability to rise above it and defend themselves. I have seen many fall due to the inability to transcend the first few seconds and deliver devastating response (in the case of being blindsided or hit first) Plus if you have never hit a human you might not deliver anything devastating (the human body is different than a bag).

I am an advocate for all sport fighting, I just feel very strongly that a strong influx of MMA at this time in history should not preclude other venues (i for one love boxing as well as several other venues Kumite, etc.)

[MasterKiller]

then what lineages of what styles of kung-fu are known, have reps of doing san shou? is it really as random as you're making it seem? or are there lineages in different styles that have a reputation for competing in san shou?

Completely random.

Sifu Darkfist is speaking about his lineage. But there are plenty of other "Wu-Tan" lineages out there that do not compete at all.

[xmma]

Completely random.

Sifu Darkfist is speaking about his lineage. But there are plenty of other "Wu-Tan" lineages out there that do not compete at all.

of course theres gonna be those who do and don't. what styles have more with lineages that do? example: are there folks who enter the san shou arena with a certain monkey kung-fu lineage? if there are, how does that compare proportionately to folks who enter the san shou arena with a certain wing chun lineage?

[MasterKiller]

of course theres gonna be those who do and don't. what styles have more with lineages that do? example: are there folks who enter the san shou arena with a certain monkey kung-fu lineage? if there are, how does that compare proportionately to folks who enter the san shou arena with a certain wing chun lineage?


Sorry, bro. It don't work that way.

[xmma]

Sorry, bro. It don't work that way.

that means every style has a lineage that competes in san shou. i don't see that.

[lkfmdc]

WuTang's background in protection of people as well as military, and the old challenges historical with Figures such as GGM Li Shu Wen.



I've said it before, TCMA people need to learn that just because your ancestors were fighters doesn't mean you are. You are only as good as what you are doing TODAY. Lama Pai doesn't rest on what Wong Yan Lam did 100 years ago.

[BruceSteveRoy]

i have never seen wing chun people do san shou. the concepts are differnent. as for lineages that do san shou i think it was already stated it doesnt go by lineage it goes by school. some schools teach san shou some don't. the only style i have ever seen that does san shou with a great deal of consistancy is jow ga. there may be jow schools that choose not to fight san shou and use the traditional stances or whatever but i have not seen them. otherwise i have seen some hung gar schools that do and some that don't, some choy li fut that do and some that don't. its abotu the school.

[PangQuan]

but here is the thing, to say that kungfu guys only will ever compete in a format made just for kungfu guys, well then....why not branch out and try other things?

there has to be some kungfu guys who are interested in MMA and using their kungfu in MMA style format.

what about you masterkiller, ive read some posts you have put up about using your kungfu in mma style formats.

i dont really know where your at with that, but do you find other guys doing the same kind of thing?

dang maybe i need to hit up an mma gym and try it out since it seems not really many any other kungfu guys in the world want to or are even willing/not afraid to do this.

kungfu guys think they have so much to lose by making the jump

[MasterKiller]

what about you masterkiller, ive read some posts you have put up about using your kungfu in mma style formats.

i dont really know where your at with that, but do you find other guys doing the same kind of thing?

A couple of my kung fu brothers have followed me over. But for the most part, it's a lonely world. :(

[xmma]

the only style i have ever seen that does san shou with a great deal of consistancy is jow ga. there may be jow schools that choose not to fight san shou and use the traditional stances or whatever but i have not seen them. otherwise i have seen some hung gar schools that do and some that don't, some choy li fut that do and some that don't. its abotu the school.

best answer so far that doesn't try to dodge my question with excessive qualifiers.

someone also mentioned jow ga previously, so that confirms it. the other styles you listed are also southern kung-fu styles. so it looks like southern kung-fu does more san shou than northern.

[Black Jack II]

kungfu guys think they have so much to lose by making the jump

They won't really lose or win anything. I think it was Seven who pointed out that the mainstream public in relation to joining a martial art school does not care anyway.

A lot of commerical schools make there money off of normal people joining for many different reasons, most of them being far off the mma path.

[MasterKiller]

best answer so far that doesn't try to dodge my question with excessive qualifiers.

someone also mentioned jow ga previously, so that confirms it. the other styles you listed are also southern kung-fu styles. so it looks like southern kung-fu does more san shou than northern.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, that's a safe assumption based on two internet message board threads. Bruce is in Maryland, where Jow Ga is prevelant. COme to Dallas and see how many Jow Ga fighters are in the San Shou divisions. It's mostly N. Praying Mantis and Long Fist in these parts (plus the SC folks from Austin). Why? Because those are the most prevelant types of schools that are located in this part of the country.

Seems like you are just fishing until someone confirms what you already believe.

[bodhitree]

I read the paper, what is the big red H

Edit: wrong thread

[xmma]

It's mostly N. Praying Mantis and Long Fist in these parts (plus the SC folks from Austin). Why? Because those are the most prevelant types of schools that are located in this part of the country.

Seems like you are just fishing until someone confirms what you already believe.

thanks for finally answering my question. it took a blanket statement to get you to, tho.

[Sifu Darkfist]

I've said it before, TCMA people need to learn that just because your ancestors were fighters doesn't mean you are. You are only as good as what you are doing TODAY. Lama Pai doesn't rest on what Wong Yan Lam did 100 years ago.

A statement based on not reading my post,

Of course we actively fight and have since the early days it is in a schools best interest to continue such an important tradition
Li SHu wen was a almost a century ago, bodygaurd work is active over the entire histoy, and military applications are refined but encompass the same exact principles of train fight train fighting in ring or out. and i always have an active san shou program and always will (until i just can not keep up) A coach should train as much as possible with their fighters and age becomes a big factor so it is important to pass on the importance of such a practice to our understudies as my master passed to me and so on.

[MasterKiller]

thanks for finally answering my question. it took a blanket statement to get you to, tho.

Dude, it's arbitrary. If you go to Southern Cali, they will have a different answer based on what types of schools are located there...Seattle, same thing.

It all comes down to individual schools. It just so happens that in different parts of the country, there are more schools of one or two styles, and consequently, those styles represent more at local and regional events.

[xmma]

Dude, it's arbitrary. If you go to Southern Cali, they will have a different answer based on what types of schools are located there...Seattle, same thing.

It all comes down to individual schools. It just so happens that in different parts of the country, there are more schools of one or two styles, and consequently, those styles represent more at local and regional events.

that's great. what styles are known for their heavy involvement in san shou competitions in s. cali and seattle?

[PangQuan]

i guess my deal is peoples ego

i would like to see even just ONE "kungfu master" step into an MMA match and show us whats up.

no one is willing to do this because they dont want to lose face by getting the snot beat out of them by some 5 year mma practitioner.

i see fear. personally.

no not from everyone, but if your going to tell me EVERY kungfu guy is "too good" for the mma fights then i call a big fat BS

i label it fear

[PangQuan]

example.

take a guy who has practiced kungfu for 10-20 years, give him 3 or 5 years of BJJ, he should be fine.

but do we ever see this?

it has to happen at some point guys. cant just hide in the corner and play by ourselves for the rest of time.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

"i would like to see even just ONE "kungfu master" step into an MMA match and show us whats up."

It is not completely unheard of. Jason Delucia competed in the first few UFCs. He evolved his game after being beat by grapplers (namely Royce Gracie). The problem is most argue someone like Delucia who has had success in MMA changed from a Kung Fu style of training to MMA style of training. Does that take away from his Kung Fu. Not neccessarily. Most strikes you find in MMA can be found in Kung Fu styles, it is the training methods that set them apart. Most Kung Fu styles do not have grappling and this is a flaw. No one argues anymore that you don't have to have grappling basics (at least anyone who knows what they are talking about) to survive the takedown. So if your Kung Fu lacks grappling, cross train and learn. But the thing is you do not see any one style fighting in MMA. Thus the term, mixed martial arts. You may see a BJJ or Muay Thai fighter but they will rarely be successful if they do not have the counter part to their style
(grappling or stand up). Everything evolves or it dies. Good Kung Fu has evolved, bad Kung Fu has not.

[SanHeChuan]

Why would a kung fu man want to compete in MMA? To do so he would have to learn a different martial art, BJJ, that he doesn't need. You only need to be a good ground fighter in sporting events that involve ground fighting. You only need a very limited amount of knowledge about ground fighting for the street, because you don't fight other MA in street. You fight knownothing peons. To counter and untrained street fighters ground and pound does not take years of grappling experience, and knowledge of countless locks and submissions. For BJJ you'd only need to know the transitions to get to a dominate position, a few months worth or material to learn tops.

Why not just chose a venue that allows the kung fu man to use what he has? Like San Shou or K-1. People say that now day's you have to know ground fighting, but that is only true for MMA. Not that many BJJ experts run around mugging people right?

[PangQuan]

ya, i see your points.

its just strange to me that out of the thousand and thousands, millions of martial artists out there. there arent really any kungfu guys learning a groundgame and going in the ring with it to fight MMA.

its just odd is all....i suppose the same could be said for all TMA right?

kungfu isnt alone in this....right? or is it?

funnything i was on the IFL website, when you read thier description and development of MMA, several styles of MA are listed, but not kungfu....even TKD beat out kungfu on an MMA sight....now it has always been my belief that a good solid kungfu lineage would have a very in depth knowledge of fighting. more than your average TKD...so why do MMA guys give more credit to TKD as a martial art than kungfu?

you see where im going? I see some serious predjiduce regarding kungfu from MMA guys. on an average.

why is this so? is it because kungfu has been the least represented art in MMA matches since the conception of the sport?

strange that.....

[LeeCasebolt]

Why not just chose a venue that allows the kung fu man to use what he has? Like San Shou or K-1. People say that now day's you have to know ground fighting, but that is only true for MMA. Not that many BJJ experts run around mugging people right?

So, after you throw a guy, or knock him down, what do you think happens? Does he melt? What about the kid who wrestled in high school or college? May not be a problem for you, but I live in Iowa, and they're all over the place here. Even if I were inclined to ignore the ground in my training, I'd be an idiot to actually do it.

This leaves aside football players, slick ground and unsure footing, being attacked when you're already prone or seated, getting knocked down yourself...

Don't compete MMA. I don't care. Don't train the ground. I don't care. You're a big boy, do what you like.

[SevenStar]

It is not completely unheard of. Jason Delucia competed in the first few UFCs. He evolved his game after being beat by grapplers (namely Royce Gracie). The problem is most argue someone like Delucia who has had success in MMA changed from a Kung Fu style of training to MMA style of training. Does that take away from his Kung Fu. Not neccessarily. Most strikes you find in MMA can be found in Kung Fu styles, it is the training methods that set them apart. Most Kung Fu styles do not have grappling and this is a flaw. No one argues anymore that you don't have to have grappling basics (at least anyone who knows what they are talking about) to survive the takedown. So if your Kung Fu lacks grappling, cross train and learn. But the thing is you do not see any one style fighting in MMA. Thus the term, mixed martial arts. You may see a BJJ or Muay Thai fighter but they will rarely be successful if they do not have the counter part to their style
(grappling or stand up). Everything evolves or it dies. Good Kung Fu has evolved, bad Kung Fu has not.

I'm glad you mentioned him - do a search of him on kfm and kfo... almost every CMA guy here not only criticized him, but said that he wasn't a real CMA in the first place.

[lkfmdc]

So, after you throw a guy, or knock him down, what do you think happens? Does he melt? What about the kid who wrestled in high school or college? May not be a problem for you, but I live in Iowa, and they're all over the place here. Even if I were inclined to ignore the ground in my training, I'd be an idiot to actually do it.

This leaves aside football players, slick ground and unsure footing, being attacked when you're already prone or seated, getting knocked down yourself...

Don't compete MMA. I don't care. Don't train the ground. I don't care. You're a big boy, do what you like.

This is a very good post :D

[PangQuan]

you know, i have met many and read about even many more kungfu guys who have learned multiple styles of kungfu.

why not make one of your multiple styles a ground game. there is no difference in taking time for a 5th kungfu style and your first ground style....

my last kungfu teacher (trained very traditionaly whilst growing up a monk in a temple in cambodia ) was forced by his grandmaster to learn judo. He gets introduced to a japanese judo guy. another monk from some temple in japan who is friends with my old sifu's gm.

as the story goes:

Judo Sensei: Would you like to learn judo from me?

my old sifu: no

judo sensei procedes to throw my old sifu around the place against full resistance.

Judo Sensei: would you like to learn judo from me?

my old sifu: no thank you

judo sensei procedes to throw my old sifu around with full resistance even more rigirously than before.

Judo Sensei: now would you like to learn my judo?

my old sifu: no i dont.

Judo sensei procedes to throw my old sifu around with full resistance to the point of breaking him.

Judo Sensei: would you like to learn Judo?

my old sifu: yes.

to me....this is traditional kungfu

[SevenStar]

Why would a kung fu man want to compete in MMA? To do so he would have to learn a different martial art, BJJ, that he doesn't need. You only need to be a good ground fighter in sporting events that involve ground fighting. You only need a very limited amount of knowledge about ground fighting for the street, because you don't fight other MA in street. You fight knownothing peons. To counter and untrained street fighters ground and pound does not take years of grappling experience, and knowledge of countless locks and submissions. For BJJ you'd only need to know the transitions to get to a dominate position, a few months worth or material to learn tops.

Why not just chose a venue that allows the kung fu man to use what he has? Like San Shou or K-1. People say that now day's you have to know ground fighting, but that is only true for MMA. Not that many BJJ experts run around mugging people right?

I've been on the ground fighting against knownothing peons - it happens. Not only that, but I would be ashamed to say I am only training adequately enough to fight knownothing peons. My goal in training is to be the best I can be, which means being able to hang with ANYBODY.

as for k-1 and san shou, those are great. From what I see / hear though, it seems that even still. only a small amount of cma compete in those compared to the number of cma there are.

[BruceSteveRoy]

i like how he went from "no" to "no thank you" as if perhaps the problem in the conversation was a lack of politeness. thats classic.

[PangQuan]

i like how he went from "no" to "no thank you" as if perhaps the problem in the conversation was a lack of politeness. thats classic.

that part made me laugh too

[SevenStar]

you know, i have met many and read about even many more kungfu guys who have learned multiple styles of kungfu.

why not make one of your multiple styles a ground game. there is no difference in taking time for a 5th kungfu style and your first ground style....

because it's not chinese.

[SevenStar]

ya, i see your points.

its just strange to me that out of the thousand and thousands, millions of martial artists out there. there arent really any kungfu guys learning a groundgame and going in the ring with it to fight MMA.

its just odd is all....i suppose the same could be said for all TMA right?

kungfu isnt alone in this....right? or is it?

funnything i was on the IFL website, when you read thier description and development of MMA, several styles of MA are listed, but not kungfu....even TKD beat out kungfu on an MMA sight....now it has always been my belief that a good solid kungfu lineage would have a very in depth knowledge of fighting. more than your average TKD...so why do MMA guys give more credit to TKD as a martial art than kungfu?

you see where im going? I see some serious predjiduce regarding kungfu from MMA guys. on an average.

why is this so? is it because kungfu has been the least represented art in MMA matches since the conception of the sport?

strange that.....

I don't know that mma guys give that much more respect to tkd, but it IS one of the most popular arts in the world. David louisseau and several other guys trained tkd at some point before beginning mma.

[PangQuan]

because it's not chinese.

thats pure absurdity. we all know that.

if your drowning and your regular life line is not present, but there is a foreign one that your not used to, but will save you....would you not grab it?

or why doesnt some chinese guy develop an in depth system of ground submissive fighting?

i know i know, im not chinese, its going to be different for me....well, maybe if the chinese cant grab the life line, then well......someone has to

[PangQuan]

I don't know that mma guys give that much more respect to tkd, but it IS one of the most popular arts in the world. David louisseau and several other guys trained tkd at some point before beginning mma.

true...i didnt think of that.


it was funny though i was reading this thing, it listed karate, tkd, muay thai, but not kungfu.....i would think kungfu would be on par with these guys. granted its not as popular but its still a large factor.

or so i had thought.

i guess those guys have never heard of kungfu, or dont understand its principles or effectiveness....

[neilhytholt]

that's great. what styles are known for their heavy involvement in san shou competitions in s. cali and seattle?

Don't think there are any sanshou comps in Seattle. There are some up in Bellingham, supposedly.

[SanHeChuan]

I didn't say you didn't need to know any ground game, but you don't need to be able to compete with BJJ adepts either. You could do like some of the wing chun guys have done and adapt your style for ground training. Will this give you the skill to beat the a trained MA grappler, no. Could it give you the skill to survive a street fight, I think it could, even against a high school wrestler.

Just adopt some BJJ (or whatever) basics, positions, sweeps, and you'll do just fine.

I HAVE trained BJJ, but I'm not going to run out a devote myself to ground fighting like some MMA fanboy like the ring equals the street. I'm not going to compete in MMA so Those aren't skills I NEED. I've got all the ground skills I need for the street, I just need to practice them more. :p

[neilhytholt]

I didn't say you didn't need to know any ground game, but you don't need to be able to compete with BJJ adepts either. You could do like some of the wing chun guys have done and adapt your style for ground training. Will this give you the skill to beat the a trained MA grappler, no. Could it give you the skill to survive a street fight, I think it could, even against a high school wrestler.

Just adopt some BJJ (or whatever) basics, positions, sweeps, and you'll do just fine.

I HAVE trained BJJ, but I'm not going to run out a devote myself to ground fighting like some MMA fanboy like the ring equals the street. I'm not going to compete in MMA so Those aren't skills I NEED. I've got all the ground skills I need for the street, I just need to practice them more. :p

Could we please just quit these pathetic discussions? If this, if that, maybe this, maybe that, BJJ vs. MMA vs. CMA, etc.?

WHO CARES ... it's the 2000s and people use guns now.

[The Xia]

I'm glad you mentioned him - do a search of him on kfm and kfo... almost every CMA guy here not only criticized him, but said that he wasn't a real CMA in the first place.
There are reasons for that. Check out his website. http://www.jasondelucia.com/kungfu.htm
He includes praying mantis as one of the five animals...
There are CMA who fought in MMA but I wouldn't use DeLucia as an example. I'd use someone like Joel Sutton. He studied 8 Step Mantis.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

There are reasons for that. Check out his website. http://www.jasondelucia.com/kungfu.htm
He includes praying mantis as one of the five animals...
There are CMA who fought in MMA but I wouldn't use DeLucia as an example. I'd use someone like Joel Sutton. He studied 8 Step Mantis.

So he stated mantis rather than leopard in five animals and this does not make him a Kung Fu stylist. I'm not sure if that is where you are going with that argument but if so, this is why people laugh at CMA and do not take them seriously. CMA people tend to squabble over this kind of petty bull **** because it differs slightly from what they were taught. I have seen Kung Fu styles where the basic five animal sets were not dragon, leopard, tiger, crane, and serpent. If this disqualifies him from being a CMA stylist than it is absurd. I believe all fighting arts evolve or die, and when I say die I don't mean they are no longer studied, but they are no longer effective.

[MasterKiller]

There are CMA who fought in MMA but I wouldn't use DeLucia as an example. I'd use someone like Joel Sutton. He studied 8 Step Mantis.
Don't forget forum member Subatai!!!!

Onassis Parungao used his Hung Gar in UFC 7.

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&FighterID=116

[SevenStar]

I didn't say you didn't need to know any ground game, but you don't need to be able to compete with BJJ adepts either. You could do like some of the wing chun guys have done and adapt your style for ground training. Will this give you the skill to beat the a trained MA grappler, no. Could it give you the skill to survive a street fight, I think it could, even against a high school wrestler.

Just adopt some BJJ (or whatever) basics, positions, sweeps, and you'll do just fine.

I HAVE trained BJJ, but I'm not going to run out a devote myself to ground fighting like some MMA fanboy like the ring equals the street. I'm not going to compete in MMA so Those aren't skills I NEED. I've got all the ground skills I need for the street, I just need to practice them more. :p

two points there:

1. you cannot adopt it without any actual training in it.

2. you stated yourself that you need to train your ground techniques more.

[SevenStar]

Don't forget forum member Subatai!!!!

Onassis Parungao used his Hung Gar in UFC 7.

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&FighterID=116

I guess I will play cma hater for a sec. subitai said himself that most of what he used was fma. :p

[MasterKiller]

I guess I will play cma hater for a sec. subitai said himself that most of what he used was fma. :p

No he didn't.

[SevenStar]

No he didn't.

yeah he did. he said that he has been fma since he was a kid and so that is a lot of what comes out. I will try to find the thread

[MasterKiller]

You don't need to find the thread.

[SevenStar]

I have no need to find the thread.

[MasterKiller]

Move along.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

You don't need to find the thread.



Due to the fact that the jedi mind trick is not found in TCMA, you may not use this technique:cool:

[SevenStar]

the jedi temple is on Coruscant.... TCMA is traditional coruscant martial arts and thus he can indeed use it.

[The Xia]

So he stated mantis rather than leopard in five animals and this does not make him a Kung Fu stylist. I'm not sure if that is where you are going with that argument but if so, this is why people laugh at CMA and do not take them seriously. CMA people tend to squabble over this kind of petty bull **** because it differs slightly from what they were taught. I have seen Kung Fu styles where the basic five animal sets were not dragon, leopard, tiger, crane, and serpent. If this disqualifies him from being a CMA stylist than it is absurd. I believe all fighting arts evolve or die, and when I say die I don't mean they are no longer studied, but they are no longer effective.
You don't believe that there is stuff out there that isn't what it's claimed to be?

[WinterPalm]

Don't forget forum member Subatai!!!!

Onassis Parungao used his Hung Gar in UFC 7.

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&FighterID=116

I rented that DVD and couldn't find that fight as it was prelim. Has anyone actually seen it? I'm surprised, after sifting through various MMA forums, that this video is quite hard to find.
Oh well...

[LeeCasebolt]

I rented that DVD and couldn't find that fight as it was prelim. Has anyone actually seen it? I'm surprised, after sifting through various MMA forums, that this video is quite hard to find.
Oh well...

Most of the prelim/alternate fights from early UFCs are hard to track down, as very few of them ever made the video releases. I think I've got this one, but I'd have to hunt it down - it'd be on a tape I haven't watched in years.

[cjurakpt]

Lama Pai doesn't rest on what Wong Yan Lam did 100 years ago.

so you've stopped channeling him before classes then? good thing, all that spirit money was expensive (what was it you used to tell us? $10 spirit money = $100 USD? never quite figured out the conversion rate on that...)

[golden arhat]

the local chen taiji club (on the other side of the city) has an excellent san da team
chen zheng lei and yue liming
(ask laugarkuen)

my teacher fought limings elder brother (not sure if it was a relative otr just a martial brother) and won but they gave him a run for his money and an elbow to the face (which is a **** sight more than anyone else can say)

they are very good indeed

[SevenStar]

You don't believe that there is stuff out there that isn't what it's claimed to be?

what he's saying is that who says there is only one version of the five animals? why does any other version than the one most common have to be fake? Even if it is fake, how many CMA competing in that venue today are having the success that he has had?

[lkfmdc]

so you've stopped channeling him before classes then? good thing, all that spirit money was expensive (what was it you used to tell us? $10 spirit money = $100 USD? never quite figured out the conversion rate on that...)

I charge the newbies $5 to burn each note, and explain they must burn at least four, or their si-gung will rot in hell

(they never met their si-gung so they don't know any better)

LMFAO.......:D

[The Xia]

what he's saying is that who says there is only one version of the five animals? why does any other version than the one most common have to be fake? Even if it is fake, how many CMA competing in that venue today are having the success that he has had?
http://www.jasondelucia.com/senseispeaks.htm
How come he doesn't state his sifu and lineage instead of talking about competition? It's a fact that he stepped into the ring, but it has no relevance to whether he is CMA or not.