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Those followers have been and are being tortured and killed, ..

Jesus is a great God, do you know why Christians were persecuted three hundreds years?

Of course you donot, but I know.

So if you use your rigid ordinary thinking to imagine higher level facts, you will never know the truth.

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#763 12-13-2006, 11:42 AM
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, but when the CCP came knocking he immediately left all of his followers in China far behind. ...

You are libeling.

Mr. Li imigrated to USA in 1996. Persecution began in 1999.

Ha ha, I can still view the falun gong thread.:D

[SPJ]

the answer to the q would be there can be only one emperor in the roman empire.

jesus has so many followers and yet done nothing wrong.

the emperor was threatened by him?!

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christians were persecuted and yet the faith spread out the roman empire and flourished.

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I think juna tried to draw a parellel of falun with christian.

and that many may not agree.

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[golden arhat]

Ha ha, I can still view the falun gong thread.:D

HOW ?

i loved posting on that byatch

[bodhitree]

Powers of moderator, bow before me and perhaps I'll cut and paste some more.

[golden arhat]

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[bodhitree]

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they are not the "evilest",


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Have a look at the evil nature of ccp!


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The 55-year history of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is written with blood and lies. The stories behind this bloody history are both extremely tragic and rarely known. Under the rule of the CCP, 60 to 80 million innocent Chinese people have been killed, leaving their broken families behind. Many people wonder why the CCP kills. While the CCP continues its brutal persecution of Falun Gong practitioners and recently suppressed protesting crowds in Hanyuan with gunshots, people wonder whether they will ever see the day when the CCP will learn to speak with words rather than guns.

Mao Zedong summarized the purpose of the Cultural Revolution, "…after the chaos the world reaches peace, but in 7 or 8 years, the chaos needs to happen again." [1] In other words, there should be a political revolution every 7 or 8 years and a crowd of people needs to be killed every 7 or 8 years.

A supporting ideology and practical requirements lie behind the CCP's slaughters.

Ideologically, the CCP believes in the "dictatorship of the proletariat" and "continuous revolution under the dictatorship of the proletariat." Therefore, after the CCP took over China, it killed the landowners to resolve problems with production relationships in rural areas. It killed the capitalists to reach the goal of commercial and industrial reform and solve the production relationships in the cities. After these two classes were eliminated, the problems related to the economic base were basically solved. Similarly, solving the problems related to the superstructure [2] also called for slaughter. The suppressions of the Hu Feng Anti-Party Group [3] and the Anti-Rightists Movement eliminated the intellectuals. Killing the Christians, Taoists, Buddhists and popular folk groups solved the problem of religions. Mass murders during the Cultural Revolution established, culturally and politically, the CCP's absolute leadership. The Tiananmen Square massacre was used to prevent political crisis and squelch democratic demands. The persecution of Falun Gong is meant to resolve the issues of belief and traditional healing. These actions were all necessary for the CCP to strengthen its power and maintain its rule in the face of continual financial crisis (prices for consumer goods skyrocketed after the CCP took power and China's economy almost collapsed after the Cultural Revolution), political crisis (some people not following the Party's orders or some others wanting to share political rights with the Party) and crisis of belief (the disintegration of the former Soviet Union, political changes in Eastern Europe, and the Falun Gong issue). Except for the Falun Gong issue, almost all the foregoing political movements were utilized to revive the evil specter of the CCP and incite its desire for revolution. The CCP also used these political movements to test CCP members, eliminating those who did not meet the Party's requirements.

Killing is also necessary for practical reasons. The Communist Party began as a group of thugs and scoundrels who killed to obtain power. Once this precedent was set, there was no going back. Constant terror was needed to intimidate people and force them to accept, out of fear, the absolute rule of the CCP.

On the surface, it may appear that the CCP was "forced to kill," and that various incidents just happened to irritate the CCP evil specter and accidentally trigger CCP's killing mechanism. In truth, these incidents serve to disguise the Party's need to kill, and periodical killing is required by the CCP. Without these painful lessons, people might begin to think the CCP was improving and start to demand democracy, just as those idealistic students in the 1989 democratic movement did. Recurring slaughter every 7 or 8 years serves to refresh people's memory of terror and can warn the younger generation—whoever works against the CCP, wants to challenge the CCP's absolute leadership, or attempts to tell the truth regarding China's history, will get a taste of the "iron fist of the dictatorship of the proletariat."

Killing has become one of the most essential ways for the CCP to maintain power. With the escalation of its bloody debts, laying down its butcher knife would encourage people to take vengeance for the CCP's criminal acts. Therefore, the CCP not only needed to conduct copious and thorough killing, but the slaughter also had to be done in a most brutal fashion to effectively intimidate the populace, especially early on when the CCP was establishing its rule.

Since the purpose of the killing was to instill the greatest terror, the CCP selected targets for destruction arbitrarily and irrationally. In every political movement, the CCP used the strategy of genocide. Take the "suppression of reactionaries" as an example. The CCP did not really suppress the reactionary "behaviors" but the "people" whom they called the reactionaries. If one had been enlisted and served a few days in the Nationalist (Kuomintang, KMT) army but did absolutely nothing political after the CCP gained power, this person would still be killed because of his "reactionary history." In the process of land reform, in order to remove the "root of the problem," the CCP often killed a landowner's entire family.

Since 1949, the CCP has persecuted more than half the people in China. An estimated 60 million to 80 million people died from unnatural causes. This number exceeds the total number of deaths in both World Wars combined.

As with other communist countries, the wanton killing done by the CCP also includes brutal slayings of its own members in order to remove dissidents who value a sense of humanity over the Party nature. The CCP's rule of terror falls equally on the populace and its members in an attempt to maintain an "invincible fortress."

In a normal society, people show care and love for one another, hold life in awe and veneration and give thanks to God. In the East, people say, "Do not impose on others what you would not want done to yourself [4]." In the West, people say, "Love thy neighbor as thyself [5]." Conversely, the CCP holds that "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles [6]." In order to keep alive the "struggles" within society, hatred must be generated. Not only does the CCP take lives, it encourages people to kill each other. It strives to desensitize people towards others' suffering by surrounding them with constant killing. It wants them to become numb from frequent exposure to inhumane brutality, and develop the mentality that "the best you can hope for is to avoid being persecuted." All these lessons taught by brutal suppression enable the CCP to maintain its rule.

In addition to the destruction of countless lives, the CCP also destroyed the soul of the Chinese people. A great many people have become conditioned to react to the CCP's threats by entirely surrendering their reason and their principles. In a sense, these people's souls have died—something more frightening than physical death.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/4-12-23/25124.html

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#622 11-15-2006, 07:46 PM
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Now, why don't you expand that history to include the dynasties BEFORE the current one. The inability to rule yet the amazing ability to kill millions by early emperors. How about the millions killed in the Great Wall construction, wars, famine, plague....and so on.

Then take a look at other people's attrocities. There is enough barbarism to go around.

Yet Juna is definitely NOT out in something like...oh... say the Peace Corps or some other aid organization working to alleviate the suffering of those he CAN reach.

Hmmmm... pi$$ and moan about the evil government and then go home to his comfy life.

I put this question to him before...what ARE you doing, Juna, to make the world a better place - besides coming to a web site and posting cut and paste links to your propaganda du jour.

I tire of such people easily.

[bodhitree]

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#623 11-15-2006, 09:00 PM
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I know you all realize it but Juna will never let this die. Freaking hilarious.
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golden arhat


ok fine what ccp does sometimes is bad
that doesnt make falun dafa good
and what would china be without the ccp ?
a mess thats what
the fact remains that the ccp has made enormous changes for china for the good of the people
how was china before commusism ? squalid and poor
how is it now ? prosperous and on its way to becoming a super power
every single citezen of china has BENEFITED from communism
could it be better ....of course it could
but to go so far as to call it evil is simply not true
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Juna, Seriously, what About Qin Lung Gong?

Don't you think more good can be accomplished y following a peacful Qin Kung Gong that has no negative stigma, than following the inferior Fauling Gong, which has it's members getting slaughtered?
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and what would china be without the ccp ?
a mess thats what

What would all those communists countries be without communst parties? Romania? Poland? Hungria? Rassia? eastern Germany...?


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What Would China Do Without the Communist Party?

As the CCP is waning, people have come to discover unexpectedly that for decades the evil specter of the CCP, with its ever-changing villainous means, has instilled its vile elements into every aspect of ordinary people’s lives.

At the time of Mao Zedong’s death, so many Chinese cried bitterly before Mao’s portrait, wondering, “How can China continue without Chairman Mao?” Ironically, 20 years later, when the Communist Party has lost its legitimacy to rule the country, the CCP has spread a new round of propaganda, making people again wonder anxiously, "What would China do without the Communist Party?”

In reality, the CCP’s all-pervasive political control has so deeply branded the current Chinese culture and the Chinese mindsets that even the criteria with which the Chinese people judge the CCP have the mark of the CCP, or have even come from the CCP. If in the past, the CCP controlled people by instilling its elements into them, then the CCP has now come to harvest what it sowed, since those things instilled in people’s minds have been digested and absorbed into their very cells. People think according to the CCP’s logic and put themselves in the CCP's shoes in judging right and wrong. Regarding the CCP’s killing of student protesters on June 4, 1989, some people said, “If I were Deng Xiaoping, I too would quell the protest with tanks.” In the persecution of Falun Gong, some people are saying, "If I were Jiang Zemin, I too would eliminate Falun Gong.” About the ban on free speech, some people are saying, “If I were the CCP, I would do the same.” Truth and conscience have vanished, leaving only the CCP’s logic. This has been one of the vilest and most ruthless methods used by the CCP due to its unscrupulous nature. As long as the moral toxins instilled by the CCP remain in the people’s minds, the CCP can continue to gain energy to sustain its iniquitous life.

“What would China do without the CCP?” This mode of thinking fits precisely the CCP’s aim of having people reason by its own logic.

China came through her 5,000-year history of civilization without the CCP. Indeed, no country in the world would stop social advancement because of the fall of a particular regime. After decades of the CCP's rule, however, people no longer recognize this fact. The CCP's prolonged propaganda has trained people to think of the Party as their mother. The omnipresent CCP politics have rendered people unable to conceive of living without the CCP.

Without Mao Zedong, China did not fall. Will China collapse without the CCP?

What Is the Real Source of Turmoil?

Many people know and dislike the CCP's Machiavellian behavior, and loathe its struggles and deceptions. But, at the same time, they fear the CCP’s political movements and the resulting turmoil, and fear chaos will visit China again. Thus, once the CCP threatens people with “turmoil,” people fall into silent acceptance of the CCP’s rule and feel helpless in the face of the CCP’s despotic power.

In reality, with its several million troops and armed police, the CCP is the real source of turmoil. Ordinary citizens have neither the cause nor the capability to initiate turmoil. Only the regressive CCP would be so reckless as to bring the country into turmoil at any hint of change. “Stability overrides everything else” and “Nipping the buds of all unstable elements”—these slogans have become the theoretical basis for the CCP to suppress people. Who is the biggest cause of instability in China? Is it not the CCP, who specializes in tyranny? The CCP instigates turmoil, and then in turn uses the chaos it created to coerce the people. This is a common action of all villains.


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how was china before commusism ? squalid and poor

No, you are brainwashed seriously by ccp.

Juna

golden arhat


well most people were poor
they were peasants ruled over by the manchus
most people haqve a higher standard of living than they did

personally i would have prefferred the nationalists to stay but still u cant deny that china has progressed in leaps and bounds with communism
and they are in a better state than they were in
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personally i would have prefferred the nationalists to stay but still u cant deny that china has progressed in leaps and bounds with communism
and they are in a better state than they were in

No, that is not ccp's achievment.


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Taking Credit for the Achievements of People’s Hard Work

The CCP’s claim to legitimacy lies in the economic development over the past 20 some years. In reality, however, such development was gradually achieved by the
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[SPJ]

"jesus is a great god"

there is only one god. but god may manifest in many states/id to different people and culture. this is one belief.

there are many buddhas, each one of us may become one.

there are many dharmas. this is another belief.

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[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMMJHSAFFJw&mode=related&search=

fa lun qi gong lesson # 1

:)

[bodhitree]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMMJHSAFFJw&mode=related&search=

fa lun qi gong lesson # 1

:)


why you gotta go and post that? should you always perform in front of china backdrop?

[SPJ]

I was trying to unbundle or break down the discussion into 3;

discussions of:

1. qi gong only.

2. religion only.

3. politics only.

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1. qi gong is no different than other type of qi gong. etc.

2. religion part is a personal belief.

3. politics. one considers it a cult. in turn, the other considers the government of evils since 1999 and not before that?!

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part 3 is a much longer discussion.

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:D

[SPJ]

yes. many more people died from starvations than re-education/persecution etc.

from left, right, great leap forward, --cultural revolution.

each has its different political and power struggle backdrops.

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mao tried to rid of all the other contenders such as Lin Biu. Liu Shao Qi etc.

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during civil war, Chiang was labled as supporting landlords, and capitalists etc. so it is a class struggle/revolution, farmers, workers against the landlords and capitalists.

to the military, the propaganda is against Chiang or Dao Jiang since he supported the old power structure.

so all the democratic fronts and anti civil war camps moved to mao side. Chiang was forced to Taiwan by losing both political support of masses and military fronts.

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then all the democratic fronts and others were all gradually moved/kicked out of the power structure by mao.

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some used the analogy of the first emperor of Song dynasty to relieve the powers of all other generals over the banquet.

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united fronts: uniting the enemies of tommorrow against the enemy of today.

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[SPJ]

political sides are too big/long to discuss.

Jiang Zhe Ming was promoted from Shanghai mayor by writing a column in support of the government/party against the student movement in Tian An Men square in 1989.

He was handpicked by Deng to replace Zhao.

Deng said that Jiang knows which is more important for the party/country in the critical time. Jiang can be trusted with the leadership and tommorrow of the party.

with Fa Lun group activities gathering momentum or getting bigger and bigger.

Jiang again took the "securities/saftey" of the party's continuing rule over the people/masses.

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[SPJ]

cultural revolution ended quietly with mao's passing.

the gang of four were symbolically tried and sentenced.

Deng only said that it was a mistake that mao made.

that is the only comment allowed for the present time.

since mao is tied to the establishing of PRC and still had a lot of support from the farmers. he is not to be criticised any further.

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[SPJ]

truth lies in the heart of the people.

eyes of the people are as white and shiny as the snow.

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every one knows what was/is going on.

but not everyone is willing to speak out loudly.

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politics are like a wind. it comes and goes.

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[SPJ]

a guru's oracle;

1949; establishing of the republic.

1959; http://www.answers.com/topic/1959, castro in cuba, saddam hussein in iraq, singapore independence from british, da lai lama escape to india, mao lost power to liu shao qi---

1969; henry kissinger secret meeting/visit to china, first man on the moon-- http://www.answers.com/1969

1979; us recognistion of communist china and de recognistion of ROC/taiwan. sino-vietnam border clashes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979

1989; fall of berlin walls, unfolding of the iron curtain in eastern europe, collapse of the communism world/soviet, student movement in tian an men square. http://www.answers.com/topic/1989 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall

1999; banning of fa lun.

2009;---


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