video: Ba Ji leitai

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0JQG-Atg9o&NR=1

thanx for posting.

:D

[lkfmdc]

less fake than the last bunch of these, still pretty bad :confused:

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krs6KWBZ_yg&watch_response

another one.

:D

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi-7XxvlU3c&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2ZTh0RDLu8&mode=related&search=

2 more.

[omarthefish]

I am so glad somebody else posted these. The first clip was mine but I totally botched it in the editing process. First I overcompressed so it was too blurry to be useful and then when I went back to do it again I botched the sound but had already deleted the original. Never using Dazzle again for TV capture. It hogs to much memory. I had 15 minutes of Video taking up several GIG's on my hard drive.

I love how first everyone complains that all styles look the same when they fight and as soon as some people show up who actually demo moves and techniques from their style it's decried as fake.

It might be "the suck" but it ain't fake. I've talked to people involved with the event. I even talked to one of the provincial heads in Shaanxi province about participating. ...or he asked me if I wanted to.

The rules are kind of dumb but it's not fake. Neither were the other ones.

[lkfmdc]

oh please :rolleyes:

you have two guys from the same school desperately trying to make it look traditional... and in order to do so, no head punches (yeah, that's realistic LMFAO) and they are going less than 50%

If it was a real competition, with head punches, with one guy trying to win, it would NOT look like this

That beign said, even here, what happens when one guy does something to the other? After all the dancing and posturing, someone gets thrown, with techniques you can find in pretty much every style known to man, ie nothing unique here

and it's **** poor entertainment




I love how first everyone complains that all styles look the same when they fight and as soon as some people show up who actually demo moves and techniques from their style it's decried as fake.

It might be "the suck" but it ain't fake. I've talked to people involved with the event. I even talked to one of the provincial heads in Shaanxi province about participating. ...or he asked me if I wanted to.

The rules are kind of dumb but it's not fake. Neither were the other ones.

[SPJ]

everything is new and experimenting.

the same style Lei Tai fight is a good idea.

no weight group is a bad idea. the heavier weight competitor may have advantages at throwing, lifting etc.

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if the rules stay the same long enough, people will come up with tactics and strategy for less heavy players to deal with heavier ones.

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the kicks, knees, and punches may be meant only to get points and not seriously to injure your opponent.

a throw or a push out of the stage will gain a lot of points.

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:D

[MonkeyKingUSA]

Thx for posting those! I thought they were great. Barefisted and not wasting time rolling around on the ground like a couple of boys in heat.
The fighters may not have been the best in each vid, but I liked the leitai format.
Of course I am not a know-it-all, so I could be wrong.
Keep the vids coming!
Richard A. Tolson

[SPJ]

http://www.wsbjq.com/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleID=324

pic's of host, hostess, 3 guest speakers including Wu Lian Zhi, judge, lighting and camera crew.

http://www.wsbjq.com/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleID=323

the stone tablet, the stage/ lei tai, the audience, --

:)

[SPJ]

martial arts convention or Wu Lin Da Hui.

They host one style for one month. At the end of 4 weekly comp/fights, a winner will be produced.

this is to promote different style each time.

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:)

[MonkeyKingUSA]

Looks very cool. Please post the vids when you can. Your efforts are appreciated. :)
Its nice to see fighters really using their art instead of just b@stardizing it for competition.
Richard A. Tolson

[SPJ]

http://tv.mofile.com/LDFCUR8Q/

http://tv.mofile.com/ZI3H1LPO/

http://tv.mofile.com/NES58QFE/

http://tv.mofile.com/MD12D9XQ/

these are matches of the final/5th week.

you may click on the menu on the side bar for more clips of the matches.


:)

[street_fighter]

this makes me want to throw up. really. this is disgusting.

[SPJ]

there were a lot of injuries.

the son of Li Jun Yi injured his righ hand.

Li Jun Yi has vcd's and also participated in writing some of the books about Ba Ji in China.

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for the month from 16th of June to 17th of July

they are holding Xing Yi matches.

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[Sifu Darkfist]

I guess i had better get my footage of real baji full contact done as soon as possible before it gets the reputation of being a show like wwe or ufc.
To start with that is not a baji fighting stance that is the end of a punch we train.

these guys might be baji experts in every sense but the fire and lights and glitz is not helping their cause. niether is the bloodless matches. Regarding an art that my great grandmaster used to historically kill many people.

[Three Harmonies]

A show like UFC??? Dude, UFC cats would own those Baji guys!
Their is no historical proof that Li killed anyone, just rumors perpetuated via unquestioning students. Besides, if Baji is so dangerous why do we never hear of someone dying in the last 150 years??

Jake :cool:

[Sifu Darkfist]

A show like UFC??? Dude, UFC cats would own those Baji guys!
Their is no historical proof that Li killed anyone, just rumors perpetuated via unquestioning students. Besides, if Baji is so dangerous why do we never hear of someone dying in the last 150 years??

Jake :cool:

i was not implying that those guys were anything i was simply commenting on the presentation and the resemblence to commercial fighting here in the USA. what ever happened to showing up to a match not knowing a thing. what ever happened to multiple matches until elimination there is nothing like that on tv so i take it all with a grain of salt.

As for GGM LI, i love it when untrained historians assert historical absolutes. "THERE IS NO PROOF" i am glad you took the time to do the years of research and interviews.
His conduct in China was never questioned due to the living proof of such recent history. In Imperial China challenges are not recorded as murders, even if they are such. the only consequences would be revenge from the family, a truly acceptable form of justice at the time.

I suppose next you are going top try to assert that LIU never killed (regardless of his participation in one of the bloodiest revolutions man has ever seen).

here is a link to the most current research albeit not complete due to loss of much through mao. http://www.bajimen.com/index.php?page=baji#people


i am working and more than likely will spend years researching the origins of CMA and dicounting lots of false ideas spread by the PRC in their perpetuation of history they burnt to the ground. Historians are like detectives in that they can still find the voices of the past even when governments and loyalists attempt to change history. Some evidence of everthing that has happend will be found in some form or another, it only takes time and perseverance. Even the commies are not that thorough in destroying the and reinventing the idea of History and Tradition.

[SPJ]

from my understanding is that;

San Shou was to promote a format to fight for all styles on the same plain fields/rules.

the recent Lei Tai or Wu Lin Da Hui is to promote each style to fight among themself, however, there are no weight groups. competitors with more weight may have "advantages".

San Shou has different weight groups.

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this is the first time they do this.

so there are a lot of fanfare or showy stuff that are not necessary. all the well known people are there.

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hopefully, next year everything will be better.

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eventually, each style may have its own Lei Tai league/association and hold its own quarterly, regional and then annual/national---eventually asia or international/world league.

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oops. I am dreaming.--

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we shall see.

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:eek::D;)

[SPJ]

Lei Tai really exacted a heavy price.

there are a lot of injuries. sometimes, the best fighter may not make it to the final due to injury.

there is an old saying:

one Lei Tai fight in a village will push back or stall the Kung Fu education for 20 years in that village/area.


why?

b/c all the good students and teachers will be injured in the fight and all the Wushu schools will be closed till further notice.

b/c nobody will be teaching due to injury for a long time.

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:D

[B-Rad]

Yeah, Lei Tai looks rough. Lots of injuries just due to the nature of the stage... When I went watched the Baltimore Lei Tai competition I saw a couple people get carted off due to stage accidents. One guy got tacked off of the stage and cracked his head on the ground (fell beyond the pads) and another slipped and got caught by the edge as he tumbled off.

[Scott R. Brown]

If it was a real competition...

What is the criterion for “REAL” competition? It seems it is competition if you have at least two individuals and each is trying to prevail over the other in some manner. As long as one is trying to prevail over others then there is competition. When I play the Wii with my 11 year old son, that is REAL competition.

If you mean it isn’t REAL fighting then I would say neither is any other type of professional fighting. If we want to see REAL competitive fighting I think we need to gather 3-12 people in a bar to fight. To make it truly realistic we should include 20-50 innocent bystanders with all the available furniture permitted to be used as weapons and all the alcohol everyone wants to drink. There would be no time limit. Fight until the last man is standing, everyone gives up, or the police show up. There are NO RULES!!! Oh yeah, and no one knows when the fight will start. One man, unknown to anyone else, will start the fight. The beginning will be a surprise which means someone is gonna get blindsided if they are not alert, just like in a REAL fight! Anyone else who jumps the gun is penalized by being a lone fighter without allies.

Or better yet, get a group of people together and fight to the death. Let them fight it out in an urban environment ala Mad Max or Resident Evil. Now THAT is REAL fighting, everything else is just a poor imitation by wannabes.

Either of these scenarios will be a true test of how effective MMA and all its variations REALLY are!

[SPJ]

http://tv.mofile.com/tags/%E6%AD%A6%E6%9E%97%E5%A4%A7%E4%BC%9A%20%E5%BD%A2%E 6%84%8F%E6%8B%B3

a link to Xing Yi fights.

instead of starting a new thread, just tag along with this one.

:)

[SPJ]

http://tv.mofile.com/2LO71ETE/

some techniques explained

Beng Quan, Fu Pu (tiger pushing/jumping) and advancing elbow (Jin Zhou).

[SPJ]

http://tv.mofile.com/LC5B9ZM7/

several ways to neutralize Beng Quan.

:)

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7j37_KKCgI&NR=1

a clip of some baji apps.

:)

[SPJ]

http://sports.cctv.com/program/C18141/04/index.shtml

this is the cctv official link to Ba Ji and Xing Yi leitai fight clips.

:)

[SPJ]

http://tv.mofile.com/RCC4TDIY/

Ba Ji technique: Kao Da or Tie Shan Kao.

explained by the head referee.

:)

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gwr4v9OmLI&NR=1

Xing Yi.

:)