Adult and young female self defense group

[Black Jack II]

A women and young girl only modern self defense training camp located in Central Cali that is getting some good public press by the mainstream media. The staff are experianced and I believe the head instructor is a USMC veteran.

Looks good and it would be nice to see more of this sort of thing for young girls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ee82Rs0aOo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eusconcealedcarry%2Ecom%2Fp ublic%2F813%2Ecfm

[xcakid]

California!!!!

Holy liberal crapper batman!!! Can't believe they would have that many women turn out to take shooting instructions.

Good to see the shooting sport alive and well in CA. Now if they could just repeal SB23 and RR89 as well as institute a shall issue CCW law like TX, I would go back. :D


Yah know every girl I have ever dated, I've taught how to shoot. One actually got into competing in IDPA. Call it a fetish but nothing turns me on better than a hot chick that can shoot. Had another ex GF that use to wear camo thongs. Who needs viagra with that going on.

[Black Jack II]

CCW law like TX,

While your asking can I get one to??:D

[Mas Judt]

Holy liberal crapper batman!!! Can't believe they would have that many women turn out to take shooting instructions.

They are a hit team from NOW and NARAL planing to kill us all in the name of 'peace.'

You gotta love California.

[Three Harmonies]

Plain and simple it is a waste of time for all parties involved to teach actual techniques unless these women/girls are going to commit to participating in a class several times a week! Better off teaching awareness strategies and things to do to AVOID getting in bad situations.

Jake :cool:

[Black Jack II]

Number one,

You have no idea if they did or did not showcase awareness training. This vid is in the specific context of the physical management side of things and not pre-conflict.

Number two,

Your idea of time put in is a fallacy, this is not rocket science, anything you put into the toolbox can be used depending on the person, the situational context, and its enviroment.

People save themselves from violent harm EVERYDAY without any training whatsoever, to say that getting actual quaility training is not going to help is plain wrong.

You see this statement a lot from traditional teachers who believe that fighting is akin to quantum physics and you need to go to there classes for years before you can get anything down.

[Three Harmonies]

Ahhh, the idiot squad showed up! Can't even post your real name eh? Well I suppose I will resond anyhoo.....

To put things in context.......
So you learned the alaphabet in one sitting? Basic math in one weekend? Doubt it. None of what I do is rocket science, you are correct. But to assume that someone with NO PRIOR experience, can come to a weekend workshop, train a few techniques, and then go back to the normal world and hope to be able to pull said techniques out when some guy is trying to rape them, or somebody is grabbing them by the hair punching them in the face, that is crazy silly!
Of course they can learn a thing or two. Perhaps they will remember a portion of what they were taught. But to assume they will be able to pull techniques out of MEMORY when they are under such extreme stress? Come on bro you have to be smarter than that!? The military will put highly trained soldiers into situations were they are sleep deprived, and stressed to the utmost level, then sit them down and ask them to write their name on a piece of paper and they cannot even recall their name because of the stress!
Do you spar? Did you use every technique that you had learned up to that point the first time you sparred? I guarantee your answer is NO!
What we do is not hard, but to be able to do it under stress with an uncooperative assailant trying to f uck you up, IS! Why do we spend hours, and HOURS training. Ingraining the techniques and movements into our muscle memory? Why waste time if we all could just go to a weekend workshop and learn how to "defend" ourselves? If these things truly worked why aren't the rest of us doing it?
I will not argue that you can't learn something in a weekend. But to learn it, and APPLY it are two different things. To apply a technique I need to drill it until I can't stand. These women are not doing that.
Ask yourself if you would feel confident sending your wife or daughter to one of these things. If so, I feel sorry for them and the false sense of security you are instilling.
Jake :cool:

[Black Jack II]

Jumping to personal insults is often the case of a person not having the capability to talk about the subject matter with any practical experiance, but hey if you want to play that game, its cool with me:rolleyes:

Let's break this down for you so we can get a understanding of what you are trying to spit out.


So you learned the alaphabet in one sitting? Basic math in one weekend?

This is not even in the same context as the material presented. It's a nice try at a strawman but your going to have to do better than that.


But to assume that someone with NO PRIOR experience, can come to a weekend workshop, train a few techniques, and then go back to the normal world and hope to be able to pull said techniques out when some guy is trying to rape them, or somebody is grabbing them by the hair punching them in the face, that is crazy silly!

Your trying to set up a false position because you have a stake in the fantasy land of dancing around like a downsyndrome inflicted cricket and lo and behold the creature which steps into your mythos of what is and what is not the correct.

I never assumed anything, you are the one claiming to be a educationist who is assuming that learning proper shooting and basic self defense skills will never come in handy, when over and over and over again it has proven to be the actual case, but if you missed it the first time around because your hand was down your great grandma's candy apple green hotpants I will say it again, people defend themselves all over the world, with zero self defense skills whatsoever.

Also who says these girls don't practice these skills, its just another assumption you are trying to make based on a cultish outlook on martial arts.


Of course they can learn a thing or two.Perhaps they will remember a portion of what they were taught.

Thanks for making my point for me. Case closed.:cool:


The military will put highly trained soldiers into situations were they are sleep deprived, and stressed to the utmost level, then sit them down and ask them to write their name on a piece of paper and they cannot even recall their name because of the stress!

Kid, I understand all about stress and its ranges in the conflict stage. Try looking into Hicks Law studies going back all the way into the 30's to catch up on the subject, only reason I point that out, is that writing your name on a piece of paper because of sleep deprivation is not the same animal we are talking about.


What we do is not hard, but to be able to do it under stress with an uncooperative assailant trying to f uck you up, IS! Why do we spend hours, and HOURS training. Ingraining the techniques and movements into our muscle memory? Why waste time if we all could just go to a weekend workshop and learn how to "defend" ourselves? If these things truly worked why aren't the rest of us doing it?

Because people want to have the shaw brothers experiance, they want the secret level, they want to catch arrows out of the air, they forget that this **** is not rocket science, they just pretend it is.


I will not argue that you can't learn something in a weekend. But to learn it, and APPLY it are two different things.

Wow, thanks for letting me know the dif.:rolleyes:


To apply a technique I need to drill it until I can't stand. These women are not doing that.

LOL, again a blanket assumption based on nothing. You have NO idea what these women were or were not doing that day, it looked like they were drilling to me, and you also have NO idea what these women do after the training camp.

Stop making assumptions.


Ask yourself if you would feel confident sending your wife or daughter to one of these things. If so, I feel sorry for them and the false sense of security you are instilling.

I don't need you to feel anything, you mean as much to me as a dogs wet ****. You seem to be speaking out of ZERO experiance. I have attended shooting courses just like this one and so has my wife and friends wifes.

When have you attended a event, which one, who was the teacher??

Ryan:rolleyes:

[Water Dragon]

I like this. This is what I would consider a 'good' self defense program for women. It seems to focus on hand gun training, so it kinda changes how the women 'think' about a violent encounter compared to a woman who took a 'block and punch' kinda thing. It seems to deal with the psychological stuff in one part, and I even like the unarmed thing they showed. It focused on creating a 'line' and going through it. I learned similar 'escape strategies' in CMA. I'll betcha the instructors taught the punch as an incidental distraction, and the focus was on getting the fuk outta Dodge. They can carry that idea with them. I'd like to see more info on this stuff.

[Three Harmonies]

I understand learning math, and defending oneself is not the same, I was simply trying to put some perspective on the matter.
If things were as easy as you make them sound why so many rapes in the US each year? Why so many physical assaults on women? I have known more women than not that have been raped. They all fought back. They all still got raped. So what went wrong bro? Did they not take the right course? Did they not buy the right handgun? Since you are the expert can you answer these questions for me?
You are right I have no clue what these women did AFTER the seminar. I am willing to bet my next paycheck over half of them were not at the range weekly, nor drilling what they were taught weekly.
My point with writing their name is a sleep dperived state was that the sleep deprived state CAUSES stress! It is all stress regardless of where it comes from. Don't take my points out of context. But from your argument it is totally different!? My point is that if highly trained soldiers are having a hard time, what is the average middle aged house wife going to do when she walks into her home with a handful of groceries and gets jumped by a 230# ******* thats wants to rape her? She going to be able to pull out the weapon she has trained so much? Going to punch him in the nose? Doubt it. FBI stats concur with what I am saying.
Don't think you know me well enough to tell me I am in a fantasy land bro. I am willing to be proven wrong just show me the research. Of course people defend themselves everyday all over the world. But far more are assaulted. If numbers are your game, you are going to lose. You know that. Be sensible.
You make good arguments when you take my points out of context, but you still have yet to make a plausible argument outside of that. I feel plain and simple that if people do not drill, they will not make something work the majority of the time. I don't know about you, but I would rather have the confidence that I can make something work 75% of the time, than 25% of the time.
Shooting is no different. The studies show that cops who are supposed to be shooting EVERY week have a hit to miss ratio something like 1-3. They are trained. Sure sometimes they get lucky. Sure it depends on scenario. But again my point is, is that these guys shoot for a living. They are CONSTANTLY put under extreme stress. AND they still miss more often then hit!

But hey, you are the expert so no worries.
Jake

[PangQuan]

i volunteered a couple times in the past for a 'rock n roll' girls camp, to teach basic self defense. a female friend of mine dragged me along.

a bunch of high school girls with no experience at all before going to camp, left the camp with a fair confidence in themselves on how to hopefully better handle your basic attack scenarios.

i wont go into the details, but i dont think ill be teaching any high school girls any time again in the future....:rolleyes:

[Black Jack II]

I understand learning math, and defending oneself is not the same, I was simply trying to put some perspective on the matter.

I understand your point Jake, its just that I don't see the validness of that perspective, just as you seem to not see the validness in mine. For the record if you want to discuss a topic its better for the most part to come in without the insults, but hell I have been known to do it from time to time with the political threads so who am I to talk.:D


If things were as easy as you make them sound why so many rapes in the US each year?

I never said they were easy. That is a assumption which I would not agree with. To answer that question you would have to go into a complex matrix of different educational studies and situational viewpoints as rape is such a offensive animal in structure.


Since you are the expert can you answer these questions for me?

Don't put me in that false position, I never stated what I was or was, and I certainly would never showcase my self on such a subject, I just put out a vid on a female training camp which I personally believe holds merit in self defense, for the record I am a big fan of stripped down courses, I have NEVER hidden that viewpoint but that is not where I am coming from with that vid.


You are right I have no clue what these women did AFTER the seminar. I am willing to bet my next paycheck over half of them were not at the range weekly, nor drilling what they were taught weekly.

If you have no clue it becomes absurd to make those judgements. Even if they NEVER EVER practiced again, just the simple fact that they took the course, may give them the one tool which gets them out of harms way, which is time not wasted at all.

These are house grandmothers, mothers, schoolgirls, teenagers, look at the contextual aspect of why they are training based on the real life value of who they are.


It is all stress regardless of where it comes from

Sorry man but that is wrong.


I don't know about you, but I would rather have the confidence that I can make something work 75% of the time, than 25% of the time.

Of course anyone would, but the funny part is you will NEVER KNOW you can make something work 75% of the time. Life is just not like that and it never will be at any point when it comes to real world self defense.


Shooting is no different. The studies show that cops who are supposed to be shooting EVERY week have a hit to miss ratio something like 1-3. They are trained. Sure sometimes they get lucky. Sure it depends on scenario. But again my point is, is that these guys shoot for a living.

Most cops don't train half as much as you would ever think they do, its not the norm as people think. I know plenty of cops and one even still has range ammo in his freakin gun, if you want good combative pistol training find a civilan course with a military backing or a cop with actual violent encounter experiance with his sidearm.

But once again, your talking in a blanket statement about shooting. there are many, many, many different contexts of what social gunfire means.

Water,

Yeah, I think courses that have there act together like this are excellent.

[Mr Punch]

Fact remains that most violent encounters occur in the home or among people known to the victim. While this is a step in the right direction compared to the block-punch brigade, it would still benefit from including assertiveness and avoidance training (which it may include); night, street and even living room scenarios; and basic BJJ (shrimping, sweep from guard etc: as a last line of defence against a larger attacker in a prone position with probably some entwinement of limbs)... and it still probably won't get to the right people!

That kind of stuff should be taught in high school if you ask me. Mayeb with some basic assertiveness and awareness (common sense?!) training at that stage they can develop a good enough gut instinct not to marry a schmuck? It's too late for most people, and a lot of these types in the vid didn't look like they were complete strangers to holding a gun anyway, or lacking in the basic assertiveness (or spousal support) needed to get to such a course (that's a big assumption - but I didn't see any blacks or trailer mullets in the vid).

[Mr Punch]

But once again, your talking in a blanket statement about shooting. there are many, many, many different contexts of what social gunfire means.
Give me a starter for ten... WTF does social gunfire mean?! :D

[BoulderDawg]

i wont go into the details, but i dont think ill be teaching any high school girls any time again in the future....:rolleyes:

When I was substituting I was in a class with all girls. The teacher warned me beforehand "Don't be alone with any of these girls.":D I never had any problems although there was one girl who use to follow me around like a little puppy. I just played it like it was no big deal and everything was cool. However I can understand his warning.

[Black Jack II]

Give me a starter for ten... WTF does social gunfire mean?!

LOL, yeah I know its a funny sounding term. I heard it from an old teacher of mine in regards to shooting situations that take place within the context of 5 feet.

I love how it sounds so mr.rogers like...social gunfire.:D

[Three Harmonies]

You are right, I should be nicer. No offense meant. Apologies.
Jake :cool:

[Black Jack II]

None taken,

The internet makes communication sound more off than it really is.

[Three Harmonies]

Very true. And I can come across like an ass often with or without the net!;):)

[PangQuan]

When I was substituting I was in a class with all girls. The teacher warned me beforehand "Don't be alone with any of these girls.":D I never had any problems although there was one girl who use to follow me around like a little puppy. I just played it like it was no big deal and everything was cool. However I can understand his warning.

lol, its funny you say that.

Thats about exactly the same scenario I ended up with....