I went to NY and all I got was TOC'd

[MasterKiller]

I spent last weekend training at Ross’ school. I signed up for his "instructor's intensive seminar" which is designed to introduce people to his basic curriculum and help them develop and expand their own programs.

I don’t want to give too many of his secrets away, but the curriculum was something like this:


5 hours of Jiu-Jitsu training with BJJ black belt Carmine Zocchi.
5 hours of kickboxing with Ross, Ian Morgan, and Tim O’Conner
3 hours of conditioning training with Tim O’Conner
2 hours of neck and body clinching with Ross.


And when I say 5 hours of BJJ or kickboxing, it wasn’t like we just did a few jabs and then discussed theory for 2 hours…we were working, and working hard, the whole time. Hell, the seminar started off with a 12-minute interval warm-up.

The instructor would spend a couple of minutes demonstrating and then start the timer so we could work the technique. After the round, the instructor would add to the previous technique and then start the timer….repeat for 3 hours…Everything was structured to build on the previous technique to help reinforce what we learned.

There were six of us taking the seminar, and Ross had two or three of his fighters there most of the time, which meant we got A LOT of personal attention. They answered all of our questions and helped correct our technique and bad habits as we went.

I was wiped out after the first night, but then the next morning we jumped right into Tim O’Conner’s conditioning routine. He ran us through a “light” bodyweight routine (light for him, that is), then showed us how to use kettlebells and sandbags, then made us finish with an 8-round interval on the heavy bags where we used kettlebells during the intervals. That killed me, and we were only ½ way through the whole seminar.

I know I suck and my conditioning wasn’t anywhere near Ross’ guys, but there were other guys there who also had their own programs and were in good shape and they were hurting just as bad, so you can’t just put the onus on me.

This was an awesome experience and I learned a tremendous amount about fighting, proper conditioning, and how to run a program. Ross not only provides you with a workbook covering the curriculum from the weekend, but he also gives you a lot of information about how to structure and develop your own program based on his experiences in the business.

Ross and his students were friendly and very helpful, but there is no doubt in my mind how SKILLED, CONDITIONED, and WELL-TRAINED his guys are. Ian and Tim were awesome, and Carmine Zocchi had us laughing the whole time he was choking us out. I got a lot of help from Frank, Dave, and one Ross' female fighters as well (forgot her name, but she was tough and wrestled me to a draw).

The class was $300, which sounds like a lot. But private BJJ lessons are $100/hour around here, and we basically got 15 hours of private lessons because of all the personal attention his crew provided. That breaks down to about $20/hour if you think about it, which is cheap by any standards.

ANYONE who wants to develop their fighting would benefit from this class, but if you have your own program or are trying to get one off the ground and haven’t trained in a pro gym your whole life, I think this seminar would be invaluable to you.

The only disadvantages to this weekend were

Ross knows how much I suck and
I was the only white boy riding the D train after the Dominican parade and almost didn’t live to tell you guys about the class.


Thanks to Ross, Carmine, Tim, Ian, and everyone else that helped make the seminar a great experience.

[lkfmdc]

****, he's still alive :D

The seminar was desigend to push... and conditioning is 25% of what we do (along with kickboxing, clinching and Jiu Jitsu). But MK did very well, we all agreed

The female fighter is Hana Fisher, she's 2-0 in San Da and 4-0 in submission (no gi).

[MasterKiller]

****, he's still alive :D

Barely. The term "El Blanco" was being thrown around that subway train a little too much for my liking. :eek:

[sanjuro_ronin]

Talk about nutriding....:D

[MasterKiller]

One thing I never mentioned to anyone was that I took 3 Ibuprofen on Saturday morning, but I was still hurting by the time I got to Ross' school and I took 2 more Extra Stength Excederin pills before class started.

Bad idea.

Basically, every time I changed levels I would have a blood pressure drop and got dizzy. This was also the class where Tim put us through all the conditioing drills which included A LOT of level changes (burpees, sprawls, etc...).

I fought my way through it, but there were a couple of times where I almost dropped.

[monji112000]

MasterKiller,

Sounds like you had fun. Its a good gym and the conditioning classes look like they are FUN.

[lkfmdc]

Gene will kill me, BUT someone did ask :D

We do two different formats of seminar.
The "combat sports camp" is for anyone, it is a weekend where we introduce you to skills, everyone has fun. Perfect for anyone, even beginners.

The "instructors' intensive" as the name implies is for those who are teaching or want to teach and want to get "up to speed". Smaller, more personal attention, more explanation of the nuts and bolts of how a class is structured, etc

annual Combat Sports camp is next March
next instructors' intensive is April
www.SanDa-MMA.com for details

[MasterKiller]

When is the next seminar. I would like to attend. Please PM me or let me know. Shifu Ross I am on your website and do not see any info @ seminars? I would love to attend the next one you have.

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/instructorintensive.html

[Shaolinlueb]

sounds like fun. i might have to check this out the next one they have.

[MasterKiller]

sounds like fun. i might have to check this out the next one they have.

Might schmight.

Just go. It can only help your program.

[GeneChing]

For tooting your own horn? Sounds more like MK is tooting your horn (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=786920&postcount=27) for you. :p

Honestly, I more concerned with your cruelty to animals, particularly dog-faced ones. ;)

In all seriousness, it's always nice to hear of forum members really training together. That's what this is really all about.

[lkfmdc]

Honestly, I more concerned with your cruelty to animals, particularly dog-faced ones. ;)



LMFAO

Gottcha Gene, gottcha ;)

[MasterKiller]

It was also humbling to learn Ross can kick higher than me. :eek:

[lkfmdc]

It was also humbling to learn Ross can kick higher than me. :eek:

for an old guy, I do ok ;)

[jmd161]

for an old guy, I do ok ;)





I hate when people younger than I say they're old!!




It makes me feel a lot older:(



jeff:)

[yutyeesam]

Thanks for the recap, MK. I always appreciate your reviews of NY Sanda material - it's what's prompted me to get involved in the first place! NY Sanda can potentially be a huge resource to the greater CMA community on multiple levels.

-123

[Eddie]

sorry for going off topic, but werent you going to NY to have some challange match or something? How did that work out for you?

[MasterKiller]

sorry for going off topic, but werent you going to NY to have some challange match or something? How did that work out for you?

I was where I said I would be, as Ross can attest. The other party was not.

[monji112000]

yah didn't I have money down saying he wouldn't show?

[lkfmdc]

doubted it would happen, if it had it would have been a waste of time, was a good weekend, leave it at that

How's the reading going? Hope you are reading the stuff we gave out

[MasterKiller]

doubted it would happen, if it had it would have been a waste of time, was a good weekend, leave it at that

How's the reading going? Hope you are reading the stuff we gave out

I read it on the plane and now I'm making notes. The workbook was an awesome idea. I just wish it included Carmine's material. He covered 7 or 8 half-guard sweeps but I can only remember a couple of them now. :mad:

[sanjuro_ronin]

Probably the sweeps you liked best and were the most "natural" anyways.

[lkfmdc]

I read it on the plane and now I'm making notes. The workbook was an awesome idea. I just wish it included Carmine's material. He covered 7 or 8 half-guard sweeps but I can only remember a couple of them now. :mad:

I've been working on my program for a long time, Carmine is still "new" to the organization and so we are still working out the program, polishing and fine tuning his material into a coherent program

We filmed his third DVd which will have I think all the half guard sweeps

[MasterKiller]

Probably the sweeps you liked best and were the most "natural" anyways.

I get stuck in half-guard A LOT, though. So I was really hoping to utilize some of them. :o

[lkfmdc]

2 things are essential

underhooks

not being flat

the first series begins with reaching between the legs for the ankle

then there is the "poor hands" and the clear series

maybe that helps

[lkfmdc]

some pics at http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/instructorseminar2.jpg

[MasterKiller]

Man, that guy in red could be an underwear model. Or maybe a spokesman for Trojan Magnums.

[BruceSteveRoy]

Man, that guy in red could be an underwear model. Or maybe a spokesman for Trojan Magnums.

ummm mk. is there something else you want to tell us about your weekend? :confused::eek:

[MasterKiller]

I've already modified my curriculum based on what I learned in NY. I changed my normal warm-ups and now rotate between Tim's warm-up routine and the instructor lead warm-up LKFMDC does.

Also, I've already started adding LKFMDC's kickboxing drills into what I was already doing.

Monday I am going to go over all the neck tie escapes and make everyone do that killer drill where you wrestle and then kick the bags.

fun fun fun

[sanjuro_ronin]

I've already modified my curriculum based on what I learned in NY. I changed my normal warm-ups and now rotate between Tim's warm-up routine and the instructor lead warm-up LKFMDC does.

Also, I've already started adding LKFMDC's kickboxing drills into what I was already doing.

Monday I am going to go over all the neck tie escapes and make everyone do that killer drill where you wrestle and then kick EACH OTHERS bags.

fun fun fun

Fixed that for you :D

[Fu-Pow]

I was where I said I would be, as Ross can attest. The other party was not.

Hmmm....let's see I said I wasn't coming (because I refused video taping) and then I didn't....big shocker. :eek:

Besides why would I agree to spar with someone under MMA rules when I don't know the first thing about groundgrappling (other than that it's a valuable skill)? Sanda rules would be much more agreeable with what I actually have learned and can do.

FP

P.S.

Nice promo for Ross. I hope you at least got some kind of discount or kick back for that much nut riding.

[lkfmdc]

blah blah, EXCUSE, blah blah, WHINE, blah blah, EXCUSE, blah blah, WHINE



You're in the running for fight ducker/revisionist of the year here, but competition is tight... I've never seen such a whiney biotch in my life, why not compain more about you CLF training? Or are you too busy talking about Tai Chi's ultimate wonderfullness :rolleyes:

If I had the slightest doubt before, after the weekend that MK spent with us I am not 110% sure if you had fought him, in ANY format, he'd have beat you like a rented mule

Sorry my business is doing so well, sorry it bothers you so much. Maybe get your own life and it will hurt a little less

[MasterKiller]

Say what you want, but Ross' DVDs changed the way I train, and this course cemented a lot of the material for me.

Plus, I now have access to Ross, his fighters, and his other coaches on myspace and IM. I spent 20 minutes talking to Carmine about fight training tonight. How often do you have 1-on-1 access to a BJJ black belt that fights professionally?

You keep doing your thing, Fu-Pow. Get good at it. Get as good as you can.

Then go to Ross' club. Take a class. Spar his fighters. See how you stack up. Then come back and tell me you don't wish you would have started training like him 10 years ago.

[monji112000]

Hmmm....let's see I said I wasn't coming (because I refused video taping) and then I didn't....big shocker. :eek:

Besides why would I agree to spar with someone under MMA rules when I don't know the first thing about groundgrappling (other than that it's a valuable skill)? Sanda rules would be much more agreeable with what I actually have learned and can do.

FP

P.S.

Nice promo for Ross. I hope you at least got some kind of discount or kick back for that much nut riding.
whats the big deal? its just a sparring match. Nobody is going to get hurt or killed. Hell you make such a big deal about it, I would spar MK if I am in town next time. I am more than willing to get my ego trampled on. The more you train with people, the more you learn. What do you have to loose anyway?

[cjurakpt]

I am more than willing to get my ego trampled on. The more you train with people, the more you learn. What do you have to loose anyway?

speaks directly to the heart of the matter; can this be made into a banner at the top of every page on the forum?

[Fu-Pow]

You're in the running for fight ducker/revisionist of the year here, but competition is tight... I've never seen such a whiney biotch in my life, why not compain more about you CLF training? Or are you too busy talking about Tai Chi's ultimate wonderfullness :rolleyes:

To quote you.....blah, blah, blah.....



If I had the slightest doubt before, after the weekend that MK spent with us I am not 110% sure if you had fought him, in ANY format, he'd have beat you like a rented mule

Sorry my business is doing so well, sorry it bothers you so much. Maybe get your own life and it will hurt a little less

And you might be a contender for megalomaniac of the century....remember your little spiel about how everyone is going to remember you in hundred years.....I do.

FP

[Fu-Pow]

Say what you want, but Ross' DVDs changed the way I train, and this course cemented a lot of the material for me.

Plus, I now have access to Ross, his fighters, and his other coaches on myspace and IM. I spent 20 minutes talking to Carmine about fight training tonight. How often do you have 1-on-1 access to a BJJ black belt that fights professionally?

You keep doing your thing, Fu-Pow. Get good at it. Get as good as you can.

Then go to Ross' club. Take a class. Spar his fighters. See how you stack up. Then come back and tell me you don't wish you would have started training like him 10 years ago.

I give a fu(k what you think why?

You imply to the forum that I backed out of a challenge and now you want to give me some nutriding salespitch about Ross' "method."

I agreed to come and spar you, you wanted to video tape it and I said no....it was dead before it hit the water. Don't try to paint it anyother way.

FP

[lkfmdc]

I agreed to come and spar you, you wanted to video tape it and I said no....because a video tape would be a lasting and definite record of the result and I couldn't stand for people to see what really happened, so YES, I backed out, now I'll double talk and try and evade, but come on, we all know I backed out



Don't try to paint it anyother way.

[lkfmdc]

remember your little spiel about how everyone is going to remember you in hundred years.....I do.



and what's funny is you don't even realize that you just proved my point :rolleyes:

[Fu-Pow]

Don't try to paint it anyother way.

Dude talk about revisionism. BTW, why didn't you videotape your "challenge match" or hell, even tell anyone what happened? Maybe you were too embarrassed?

FP

[Fu-Pow]

and what's funny is you don't even realize that you just proved my point :rolleyes:

Just proved my point that you are a megalomaniac......delusions of grandeur much?

FP

[Chief Fox]

In a hundred years the lost art of TMMA will be all the rage.

[MasterKiller]

As a member of the Kung Fu Magazine staff, I wish Fu-Pow all the best in his training.

[lkfmdc]

I'm sorry Fu Pow that you were a failure at CLF, aren't confident in your fighting skills and jealous of those who have achieved much when you have achieved so little. Perhaps if you apply yourself, in another 20 years you'll have learned how to fight :rolleyes:

[hungmunhingdai]

He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good.

[lkfmdc]

he who is a coward and speaks trash from behind a screen without revealing his name is a gutlless idiot not worth anyone's time

do you really think talking from your anonymous troll identity makes you look tough?

[hungmunhingdai]

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.

Walk quietly... Carry a big stick :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.

Walk quietly... Carry a big stick :)

Is this about porn ?

[Fu-Pow]

I'm sorry Fu Pow that you were a failure at CLF, aren't confident in your fighting skills and jealous of those who have achieved much when you have achieved so little. Perhaps if you apply yourself, in another 20 years you'll have learned how to fight :rolleyes:

Blah, blah, blah.

Hey I remember seeing a video of you fighting Ross, if I recall you were getting KTFO.

Ah well, I guess those that can't do.....teach.

FP

P.S.

But really Ross before you come back with something I've already done what I should have done along time ago...look at my sig and have a nice life.

[Fu-Pow]

As a member of the Kung Fu Magazine staff, I wish Fu-Pow all the best in his training.

If you weren't a mod I'd have ignore listed you already...whoever made you a mod should be drawn and quartered...you have historically been one of the biggest trash talkers on this forum.
(not to mention a poster of questionable videos.)

FP

[lkfmdc]

hahah..... yet again Fu Pow shows his lack of character, unable to deal with reality he ignores anyone who points him in the direction of truth, pretty soon the entire forum will be on ignore.....

(PS: if he was really interested in my fighting ability he could come to my school, he lives in NY now!)

As for the person who is afraid to reveal his real name and keeps talking crap, well, we all know the deal, people who aren't man enough to identify themselves are worthless trolls.....

[lkfmdc]

Combat Sports Training Camp
Over 12 Hours of MMA Instruction and Training!
March 7, 8 and 9, 2008
Sifu David A Ross, San Da Kickboxing
Carmine Zocchi, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Tim O’Connor, Strength and Conditioning
Ian Morgan, San Da Kickboxing

"I wanted to say what an awsome time we had. Both Instructors showed immense skill and knowledge and were willing to share it all. I can't wait until next year!"
- Chris Herzog, Empire Judo and Boxing club

Who is the camp for?
This camp is for anyone that is looking to challenge themselves. You don’t have to be a fighter to benefit from this camp. Men and women, from any style or system, even those with NO TRAINING, are welcome to attend. This is a unique opportunity to learn new techniques, new training methods and new fighting strategies.

"In the 3 hours I spent at NY San Da tonight, I have to make a confession, I am loathe to admit...In these 3 hours I learned more about fighting than I learned in the 3 years I spent at my first martial arts school"
- Jason Weiss
Huntington LI

Where is the camp located?
The camp is held at New York San Da at 313 W 37th Strret in midtown Manhattan, New York. We are conveniently located just three blocks from Penn Station and 5 blocks from Port Authority.

What do I need to bring?
Please bring your normal work-out-gear (shorts, shirt, etc) and basic protective equipment including boxing gloves, shin guards, a groin cup and a mouth piece If there's anything you are missing, we have a Pro Shop on location.

What is the camp schedule?
Session One: Friday 6 pm to 8 pm
Session Two: Friday 8 pm to 10 pm

Session Three: Saturday 9 am to 12 noon
Session Four: Saturday 2 pm to 5 pm

Session Five: Sunday 9 am to 12 noon
Session Six: Sunday 2 pm to 4 pm
Topic of each session and instructor will be announced prior to seminar

Maybe Hungmuhingdai will come down :rolleyes:

[sanjuro_ronin]

I see the Marketing 101 course is coming in handy.
:D

[lkfmdc]

Not at all, just a simple fact, have a quality product and the world will come to you......

[hungmunhingdai]

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.

[cjurakpt]

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.

so we could expect to find you violating small woodland creatures as a way to pass the time then?

incidently, isn't it funny how, when convenient, this character takes the "moral highroad" in order to prosecute his quest for...actually, to be honest, I have no idea what he is actually trying to do; discredit Ross? well, that's not going to happen, obviously; revile the name of the late CTS? ok, bad mouth a dead man - that's going to get you some real traction; seriously, it would at least be nice to know what noone / hungnyc / truthman (possibly) / hungmunhingdai really, really wants / expects - Imean, for all we know he's pursuing a M.Div. and his homework assignment is to find practical application of the Beatitudes (F-, BTW, on that)

anyway, just asking...

[lkfmdc]

I'm a little tea pot, here is my handle, here is my big spout




This guy isn't even an amusing troll, usually they talk all big from behind the keyboard, I guess he figured out that by now no one takes anonymous trolls serioiusly. But he can always IM Fu Pow and they can chat :rolleyes:

TTT for woodland critters

[sanjuro_ronin]

Not at all, just a simple fact, have a quality product and the world will come to you......

Very true, not a critique mind you, well, maybe a little, but the issues I have with excessive commercialization are MY issues not sport combat systems issues, nor are they issues against you and what you are doing.

All the power to you, if this is your thing.

Going on the seminar "circuit" soon ?

[lkfmdc]

the issues I have with excessive commercialization are MY issues not sport combat systems issues, nor are they issues against you and what you are doing.



well, no direct offense to you, but one really has to wonder when socialism creeped into martial arts. So many people equate making money with doing something wrong. Well, guess what? YOU ALL LIVE IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY. Most of you aren't working for nothing, living in poverty, working for the good of society. When I get a cup of coffee or a slice of pizza, I expect and do indeed pay for it. So why should I expect to get martial arts lessons for free?

I also have news for any and all, the Asian community doesn't feel that way, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc all run their schools to MAKE MONEY, though some are really a lot better at it. Those who whine do so because they wish they made MORE MONEY

As for seminar, we do them in NY San Da and we've done them all around. We will be doing quite a lot more this year and next

KEEP LOOKING AT www.SanDa-MMA.com

[sanjuro_ronin]

well, no direct offense to you, but one really has to wonder when socialism creeped into martial arts. So many people equate making money with doing something wrong. Well, guess what? YOU ALL LIVE IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY. Most of you aren't working for nothing, living in poverty, working for the good of society. When I get a cup of coffee or a slice of pizza, I expect and do indeed pay for it. So why should I expect to get martial arts lessons for free?

I also have news for any and all, the Asian community doesn't feel that way, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc all run their schools to MAKE MONEY, though some are really a lot better at it. Those who whine do so because they wish they made MORE MONEY

As for seminar, we do them in NY San Da and we've done them all around. We will be doing quite a lot more this year and next

KEEP LOOKING AT www.SanDa-MMA.com

Like I said, MY issues and I did say EXCESSIVE...though that is obviously a POV thing.
I certainly have no issues with anyone make a buck ( hopefully more so) in selling a quality product.

[lkfmdc]

Like I said, MY issues and I did say EXCESSIVE...though that is obviously a POV thing.
I certainly have no issues with anyone make a buck ( hopefully more so) in selling a quality product.

you don't impress me as someone out of touch but there ARE tons of them, especially on the internet

[sanjuro_ronin]

you don't impress me as someone out of touch but there ARE tons of them, especially on the internet

Thanks and may I suggest doing one of your seminars in my area...www.kombatarts.com may be the place....

[cjurakpt]

Thanks and may I suggest doing one of your seminars in my area...www.kombatarts.com may be the place....

bro, if that's where you train, good for you - awesome looking facility! and the funny thing, is that the osteopathic school in Toronto I attended for 2 years is probably the same one where the two trainers (Zepf & Galluci) went to / are attending (CCO on Duncan St.)

Dave, I'd go up there in a heartbeat if I were you...

[sanjuro_ronin]

bro, if that's where you train, good for you - awesome looking facility! and the funny thing, is that the osteopathic school in Toronto I attended for 2 years is probably the same one where the two trainers (Zepf & Galluci) went to / are attending (CCO on Duncan St.)

Dave, I'd go up there in a heartbeat if I were you...

I don't train there right now, sabbatical due to moving into a new house and having a new baby girl :)
It is a Top level place and I recommend it to anyone in my area.

[Judge Pen]

I don't train there right now, sabbatical due to moving into a new house and having a new baby girl :)
It is a Top level place and I recommend it to anyone in my area.


Congrats on the new baby girl! They are amazing, but they will cut into training time (but you wouldn't have it any other way).

[sanjuro_ronin]

Congrats on the new baby girl! They are amazing, but they will cut into training time (but you wouldn't have it any other way).

I have a gym in my own home so it only cuts into my sparring time and after almost 30years of sport combat, I think I can live with that.

I would never put my family second to my MA.

[cjurakpt]

I would never put my family second to my MA.

"A man that doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
- Vito Corleone

[lkfmdc]

"A dead brother at the bottom of the lake is just the price of doing business."
- Michael Corleone

[cjurakpt]

"Gurggle gurggle glub glub."
- Alfredo Corleone

[hungmunhingdai]

Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to that arrogant oligarchy that merely happens to be walking around.

[lkfmdc]

Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to that arrogant oligarchy that merely happens to be walking around.

oh, yeah, sure, that makes tons of sense :rolleyes:

offical candidate for the "WTF of the year" award

[cjurakpt]

Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to that arrogant oligarchy that merely happens to be walking around.

you are a moron; or an idiot; I can't make up my mind - ok, you can be both

can't wait until you're able to vote...

[hungmunhingdai]

I pray when I'm in trouble or when I'm happy. When I feel any sort of extreme. I pray when I feel so great that I'll think I need to check with myself and recognize how good life is. But when it seems there's so much bull**** around, it's important to remind myself of the things I have to be grateful for.

[hungmunhingdai]

Confound these ancestors... they've stolen our best ideas!

[DPL]

Sooo... now we're doing deep thoughts with Jack Handy?

[Chief Fox]

I see not much has changed around here. How's everyone doing?

Sounds like the only thing that will solve this is a junk yard, sledge hammer death match.

It's the only way!

[lkfmdc]

you are a moron; or an idiot; I can't make up my mind - ok, you can be both



a cross between a moron and an idiot....

he's a Midiot

[cjurakpt]

or an IDION...

[lkfmdc]

maybe he is a Mordiot?

[cjurakpt]

done!


.....

[lkfmdc]

it's official! it's official

all the votes are in, in a landslide, it's gonna be

Mordiot

[hungmunhingdai]

Many have puzzled themselves about the origin of evil. I am content to observe that there is evil, and that there is a way to escape from it, and with this I begin and end.

[TenTigers]

um...what is "TOC'd" ??????

(I am preparing to go,"Doh!")

[MasterKiller]

Tim O'Conner'ed.

It was an inside joke. Way inside.

[lkfmdc]

and with this I begin and end.

don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out

Mordiot

[BruceSteveRoy]

when i used to work construction my old boss used to always call ppl moroffs. i thought it was odd and he explained to me that they are worse than morons bc they are more off than on. i thought it was a pretty funny play on words and it kind of stuck.