Better Shuai jiao Sparring Video [Archive]

wiz cool c

08-14-2007, 09:26 AM

The last video I put up here I was getting throw around by my teacher like a little baby. I felt like I had to redeem myself, so I got some better fotage. This is me against big teen. I don't know his real name so I call him big teen because he's a big teen. 100 kg.

Also I mentioned on the Bagua fight video post that I had been using Bagua circle walking in my Shuai Jiao. At 400 and 426 minutes there are two Bagua circle waking throws in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3feWc79RwsE

GunnedDownAtrocity

08-14-2007, 09:38 AM

no video :(

Water Dragon

08-14-2007, 09:04 PM

no video :(

yeah, wtf?

sanjuro_ronin

08-15-2007, 04:12 AM

Nice Judo ;)

wiz cool c

08-15-2007, 05:07 AM

Yea these chinese guys are tricking me. Teaching me Judo and telling me it's Shuai Jiao.

sanjuro_ronin

08-15-2007, 05:13 AM

Yea these chinese guys are tricking me. Teaching me Judo and telling me it's Shuai Jiao.

:D

Sneaky *******s.

wiz cool c

08-15-2007, 05:33 AM

yea and my Bagua's probably TKD.

Knifefighter

08-15-2007, 12:11 PM

Also I mentioned on the Bagua fight video post that I had been using Bagua circle walking in my Shuai Jiao. At 400 and 426 minutes there are two Bagua circle waking throws in this video.

Compare what you were doing with the forms done in Bagua circle walking. Notice how many times they cross their legs (many) compared to how many times you and your opponent crossed your legs (zero).

specialed

08-15-2007, 01:27 PM

Compare what you were doing with the forms done in Bagua circle walking. Notice how many times they cross their legs (many) compared to how many times you and your opponent crossed your legs (zero).

knifefighter, aren't you a dogbrothers guy? don't they cross thier legs when circling prior to engaging? pretty sure I've seen that on some of thier videos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz-iGAJhZ6c

right there at 00:24. first leg crossing step. i'm pretty sure some of those guys practice forms too. there's on featured on thier kalitudo videos.

Knifefighter

08-15-2007, 01:32 PM

knifefighter, aren't you a dogbrothers guy? don't they cross thier legs when circling prior to engaging? pretty sure I've seen that on some of thier videos?

Yep, and the key difference is the fact that they have a weapon. Crossing your feet is no problem (and is used to set up angles) when you have the distance that the weapon creates... much different when unarmed.

FMA practitioners have some of their own types of antiquated training, but forms is definitely not one of them.

wiz cool c

08-15-2007, 03:02 PM

Some more videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CARlTbDKfTI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjE9TxjLXPM

specialed

08-15-2007, 03:22 PM

Yep, and the key difference is the fact that they have a weapon. Crossing your feet is no problem (and is used to set up angles) when you have the distance that the weapon creates... much different when unarmed.

FMA practitioners have some of their own types of antiquated training, but forms is definitely not one of them.

b.s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0ydU9sV0M

and i checked. dogbrothers kalitudo features a guy doing a silat form. it's pretty nice too. also, if it's ok for fma to cross feet with weapons to set up angles, why not anyone else for thier purposes?

stonewarrior67

08-15-2007, 04:40 PM

Chris no need to redeem yourself...all of your videos have been super cool and your doing a lot to spread the word of judo...i mean shuai chiao :) Seriously though, thanks for posting your videos and speading the word. Keep them coming!

Water Dragon

08-15-2007, 04:46 PM

Good Stuff! I still think you bend over too much though. **

** I used to do the same thing**

Fuzzly

08-15-2007, 05:56 PM

It was an interesting video. I'm sure you've posted this many times, but how long have you been training?

wiz cool c

08-15-2007, 08:03 PM

Thanks stonewarrior67.

wiz cool c

08-15-2007, 08:09 PM

Good Stuff! I still think you bend over too much though. **

** I used to do the same thing**

Hi Water Dragon thanks for the addvice. I here so many things some from my teachers that I just don't listen to. I do what works for me. Wrestlers always lean foward from a clinch. In push hands no but Shuai Jiao is a form of wrestling. I never get thrown because of this. Other reasons yes but leaning forward if you have a good stance no problem. let me look for some wrestling videos where they are leaning foward.

wiz cool c

08-15-2007, 08:16 PM

It was an interesting video. I'm sure you've posted this many times, but how long have you been training?

Fuzzly there are three new videos in this post. None of them have been posted before. I just filmed them a week and a half ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjE9TxjLXPM

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=wizcoolc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3feWc79RwsE

wiz cool c

08-15-2007, 08:23 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azRGvgaIn8Y See leaning.

Water Dragon you are an Eagle Claw guy right. Shuai Jiao means wrestling. If you say Zhong Guo (chinese) Shuai jiao ( wrestle) Chinese wreslting.

Fuzzly

08-15-2007, 09:47 PM

Let me rephrase.

I'm sure you've answered this question a lot, but how long have you been training?

Knifefighter

08-15-2007, 09:50 PM

wiz cool c

08-15-2007, 10:12 PM

Let me rephrase.

I'm sure you've answered this question a lot, but how long have you been training?

I Shuai Jiao 1 year and maybe two or three month. In Martial arts about 20 years.

Water Dragon

08-16-2007, 05:16 AM

sanjuro_ronin

08-16-2007, 05:28 AM

b.s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0ydU9sV0M

and i checked. dogbrothers kalitudo features a guy doing a silat form. it's pretty nice too. also, if it's ok for fma to cross feet with weapons to set up angles, why not anyone else for thier purposes?

Yes, they have have "forms" in their Kalitudo, the kali and escima I have been exposed to have forms too, though they are very, well, "unformalized" and very open to modifications as you go along.
I don't think they are "carved in stone".

wiz cool c

08-16-2007, 07:56 AM

Knifefighter what do you think about the whole leaning and keeping your back straight in wrestling.

Knifefighter

08-16-2007, 09:10 AM

Knifefighter what do you think about the whole leaning and keeping your back straight in wrestling.

As a general rule, leaning makes it harder for your opponent to take you down, but it also makes it harder for you to take him down, especially when you are using grips with clothing. The reason is that by standing straighter you can lift and unweight your opponent, making it easier to unbalance him. With clothing, you also have to worry less about your opponent changing levels and going for your legs, so you can afford to stand more upright.

Judo is definitely a "stand straighter" discipline, for the most part, while wrestling, due to the lack of clothing grips, is more concerned with keeping the legs further away and has more of a lean.

Sambo, on the other hand, is a sport that uses clothing grips and also uses more of a "bent over" type of stance and they have some killer throws. Although there is overlap, they tend to favor some different gripping than judo. It definitely is possible to develop a killer throwing game with this type of stance.

Water Dragon

08-16-2007, 06:45 PM

Dale is correct. A couple other points on standing straight vs leaning. A lot of Judo and SC throws (any hip throw variation) require you to break your opponent at the waist and load him up. Standing straight makes it harder to do this to you. It also keeps you a little faster when you keep your head under your feet. I'm 6'1" so this works especially well for me. I didn't learn this in SC. The Judo guys worked this one into me, and it made a helluva difference for me.

There is a trade off though, like KF mentioned. Crouching makes you vulnerable to hip throws, and standing straight makes you vulnerable for leg singles and doubles.

wiz cool c

08-16-2007, 09:29 PM

Some good points there from both of you . But i'll still experiment and see what works for me.

Water Dragon

08-18-2007, 11:37 AM

Some good points there from both of you . But i'll still experiment and see what works for me.

That's the way to do it!

Christopher M

08-18-2007, 10:49 PM

Compare what you were doing with the forms done in Bagua circle walking. Notice how many times they cross their legs (many) compared to how many times you and your opponent crossed your legs (zero).

You're mistaken: crossing your legs is a technical error in circlewalking. Also, it seems a bit peculiar to call circlewalking a form, since it's only two steps.

Knifefighter

08-18-2007, 11:48 PM

You're mistaken: crossing your legs is a technical error in circlewalking. .

Really... why do they all do it when they demonstrate it then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdr-ChfedUM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWvya9MVhjs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndY4jMB9w6U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI7VvZmIDBs

etc, etc, etc...

Christopher M

08-19-2007, 12:03 AM

Really... why do they all do it when they demonstrate it then?

They don't.

wiz cool c

08-19-2007, 07:10 AM

Knifefighter there are several move in Shuia Jiao that step into the clasical cross stance or unicorn stance that I know of. They do it for a hip throw and a defence move where someone has got a leg trapped and you step in with the other leg into a cross stance and then wip out your trapped leg and swing it behind you. I use the defense move often in sparring.

Knifefighter

08-19-2007, 09:01 AM

They don't.

Every time they walk, they cross their legs. That's what walking is, crossing one leg over the other one.

Knifefighter

08-19-2007, 09:03 AM

Christopher M

08-19-2007, 09:38 AM

Every time they walk, they cross their legs. That's what walking is, crossing one leg over the other one.

No, walking is when you move your feet forward.

Knifefighter

08-19-2007, 01:27 PM

No, walking is when you move your feet forward.

Walking is bringing one foot forward then crossing it on the inside with the other foot, which then moves forward. Walking is basically "losing and then catching your balance again", which is why it is not good for activities that require stability. That is why activities such as fighting that require good stability (or "root" as the TMA people like to call it), use shuffle steps (funny that the very people who are supposed to be the experts at "rooting" don't understand this fundamental concept) that never have the feet crossing in front of, behind, or to the inside.

Christopher M

08-19-2007, 02:59 PM

You seem to be confusing passing steps for crossing the feet. Walking includes the former but not the latter.

funny that the very people who are supposed to be the experts at "rooting" don't understand this fundamental concept.

You don't have the experience to be able to reasonably judge what these very people do or don't understand.

Knifefighter

08-19-2007, 04:12 PM

You seem to be confusing passing steps for crossing the feet. Walking includes the former but not the latter.

OK, call them passing steps if that makes you feel better.

Passing or crossing: both = bad for balance and stability.

Knifefighter

08-19-2007, 04:13 PM

You don't have the experience to be able to reasonably judge what these very people do or don't understand.

LOL... I have more experience than most of them do.

Christopher M

08-19-2007, 07:28 PM

OK, call them passing steps if that makes you feel better.

When you first raised this point, what you said was that while there were crossing steps in circlewalking, there weren't any in the shuai video. That was your criticism of the former. Now, here's the problem. If what you really meant was passing steps, then you're wrong: the guy in blue passes eight times in the first seven seconds of the video. There's lots of passing steps in the video. So which is it? A cynic might suspect you're saying whatever silly bull**** you think needs to be said at any given moment to keep trolling.