Shaolin vs. Ninja

[GreenCloudCLF]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070831/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_china_ninja

[5Animals1Path]

China loves saying it's the oldest civilization on earth.



And you know what, this act of serious alzheimer's just might prove 'em right. :rolleyes:

[TenTigers]

God only knows what would've happened if they read Mega-Foot /John Takeshi's stuff!:eek:

[sanjuro_ronin]

Do I hear a "sick man of asia" in the wind ?

[Oso]

but if all martial arts descend from kung fu and all kung fu comes from shaolin then they beat themselves up...

[BruceSteveRoy]

here's the thing. if this were true than they were not beaten by ninja. they may have been beaten by someone that said he was a ninja or someone dressed as ninja. but if it were a ninja they never would have seen him. they'd all be dead and he would be off fighting pirates (the only other known enemy of the ninja).

aww man does anyone feel a ninjutsu revival coming on? maybe they can make some more of those amazing american ninja movies.

[bodhitree]

God only knows what would've happened if they read Mega-Foot /John Takeshi's stuff!:eek:

[robot voice] Shaolin Ninjitsu.....Self Destruct [robot voice]

[B-Rad]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070831/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_china_ninja

Thought that was kind of funny... I think Shaolin needs to do a better job in picking their battles, lol. Of all the crap that's talked about them online, they get bent out of shape over an anonymous ninja post? Does that kind of thing actually warrant a response? :D

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Oh dear lord!! Even the Shaolin TEMPLE is desintigrating to the level of internet challenge matches!!! This is the first step!!

Next thing you know, 3 Monks are going to drive the Abbot's Mercedes benz 9 hours to fight 3 Ninjas in a Masonic temple parking lot in Korea (Who has to suffer through this due to being in the middle....literally, look at a map)


All 6 of them are going to argue, posture around, insult eachother and never actually fight. Then finally some MMA guy with no experience is going to fight someone who is not even involved and all the attention will be shifted to that. Lastly they will all agree to go fight in a feild somewhere nearby, and no one will actually show up there...

After, Both sides will go home, get online and insult eachother while they set up another Challenge match EVERYONE knows will never happen, so they try to verbally position themselves so that when it doesn't they can blame and ridicule the other party....I can see it all now....

[Shaolinlueb]

thats pretty lame on china's part.

[wuseng33]

this is absolutly crazy!!!! what is going on in this world?

[golden arhat]

I'm pretty sure this guy said he would never post on KFM again

in an argumetn with lama pai sifu and lkfmdc

[Jow_Ga]

I just read this on MAP. I revere and honor monks, and they have a right to be angry, but this is rediculouse!:p And besides, Ninjas are assasins, they won't come and say "We challange your kung fu!"!

[cjurakpt]

I'm pretty sure this guy said he would never post on KFM again

in an argumetn with lama pai sifu and lkfmdc

no, that was just plain old "Green Cloud";

[Shaolin Wookie]

Yeah, I mean seriously.

If they had only logged into KFM online, they'd have known that Ninjas were Shao-lin......:p

[Shaolin Wookie]

here's the thing. if this were true than they were not beaten by ninja. they may have been beaten by someone that said he was a ninja or someone dressed as ninja. but if it were a ninja they never would have seen him. they'd all be dead and he would be off fighting pirates (the only other known enemy of the ninja).

aww man does anyone feel a ninjutsu revival coming on? maybe they can make some more of those amazing american ninja movies.

I thought Shao-lin had the market cornered on pirate-fu......at least their legends do.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Oh dear lord!! Even the Shaolin TEMPLE is desintigrating to the level of internet challenge matches!!! This is the first step!!

Next thing you know, 3 Monks are going to drive the Abbot's Mercedes benz 9 hours to fight 3 Ninjas in a Masonic temple parking lot in Korea (Who has to suffer through this due to being in the middle....literally, look at a map)


All 6 of them are going to argue, posture around, insult eachother and never actually fight. Then finally some MMA guy with no experience is going to fight someone who is not even involved and all the attention will be shifted to that. Lastly they will all agree to go fight in a feild somewhere nearby, and no one will actually show up there...

After, Both sides will go home, get online and insult eachother while they set up another Challenge match EVERYONE knows will never happen, so they try to verbally position themselves so that when it doesn't they can blame and ridicule the other party....I can see it all now....

Besides which, Shi [insert his name here] will have an unlicensed firearm or polearm in the back seat of his jeep, with some opium in the glovebox. And when the fight is done, he'll call you a dirty gwailo, then slash your tires with his Emei piercers....LOL....

[BlueTravesty]

Given the reaction, if they logged onto KFM for any length of time, their heads would explode.

"WHO IS THIS ANDY (JUDO GRANDMASTER?) WE DEMAND TO SPEAK TO HIM IMMEDIATELY!"

[shrub]

It was a hoax. The BBS had offered an apology and a retraction.
http://news.sohu.com/20070831/n251887058.shtml

[Shaolin Wookie]

HAhahahaha......

[hskwarrior]

here's another article about that.....


http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/070831/K083106AU.html#skip300x250

[Shaolin Wookie]

If they're that insecure, they should just stop teaching and practicing wushu....

What are they going to do? Challenge the ninja to a forms competition?

[Kristoffer]

I dunno if this has been posted earlier, if so just delete this.


http://africa.reuters.com/odd/news/usnPEK269328.html

[Judge Pen]

Wow, they are demanding an apology for a comment made on an internet forum? Wait till they find some of the threads here! :eek:

[shrub]

So passe. Resolved long time ago.

[Woof]

Isn't it possible that this was a publicity stunt?

[Judge Pen]

Isn't it possible that this was a publicity stunt? Because the name "shaolin" doesn't get enough publicity anyway...

[Doc Stier]

If they had only logged into KFM online, they'd have known that Ninjas were Shao-lin......:p



Quite so! Well, at least the real Shaolin Monks of old, prior to the PRC, were for sure. That's why it was said of them..."Looked for, they cannot be see; listened for, they cannot be heard; and felt for, they cannot be touched."

And what about the Lin-Kuei Pai or Forest Ghost Clan, and the Mo-Shu Nan-Jen or Devil Skilled Men of Calamity? Both were spies and assassins of past centuries in China, and both probably preceded what became Ninjitsu in Japan, judging from the record of historical references?:cool:

Doc

[NJM]

Quite so! Well, at least the real Shaolin Monks of old, prior to the PRC, were for sure. That's why it was said of them..."Looked for, they cannot be see; listened for, they cannot be heard; and felt for, they cannot be touched."

And what about the Lin-Kuei Pai or Forest Ghost Clan, and the Mo-Shu Nan-Jen or Devil Skilled Men of Calamity? Both were spies and assassins of past centuries in China, and both probably preceded what became Ninjitsu in Japan, judging from the record of historical references?:cool:

Doc

Welcome back Takeshi.

[Woof]

Because the name "shaolin" doesn't get enough publicity anyway...

JP, if you run a google search on the term "shaolin" you get approximately 7 million hits versus 61 million for "ninja". Make it "shaolin monks" and the number drops to 1 million, or "shaolin temple" down to 80 thousand.

For every Shaolin martial artist worldwide, how many will ever visit China?

As savy as the monks have become with dealing with tourists, a publicity stunt seems at least possible to me.

[GeneChing]

This first article posted doesn't mention any names; it's just generic.


China kung fu monks seek apology for ninja affront
Fri Aug 31, 1:34 AM ET

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's Shaolin Temple, the cradle of Chinese kung fu, is demanding an apology from an Internet user who said its monks had once been beaten in unarmed combat by a Japanese ninja, Chinese media reported on Friday.

Shaolin Temple, in the northern province of Henan, became famous in the West as the training ground for Kwai Chang "Grasshopper" Caine in the 1970s "Kung Fu" TV series.

Ninjas -- professional assassins trained in martial arts -- date back to mediaeval Japan.

"The so-called defeat is purely fabricated, and we demand the Internet user to apologise to the whole nation for the wrongs he or she did," the Beijing News said, citing a notice announced by a lawyer for the Shaolin monks.

Relations between Chinese and Japanese are sensitive at the best of times, with emotions still running high over Japan's invasion and occupation of parts of China in the first half of the 20th Century.

The Internet user, calling themselves "Five Minutes Every Day", said on an online forum last week that a Japanese ninja came to Shaolin, asked for a fight and many monks failed to beat him, the newspaper said.

"The facts that the monks could not defeat a Japanese ninja showed that they were named as kung fu masters in vain," the Internet user was quoted as saying in the post.

The Shaolin temple "strongly condemned the horrible deeds" of the user, the newspaper said.

"It is not only extremely irresponsible behaviour with respect to the Shaolin temple and its monks, but also to the whole martial art and Chinese nation," it quoted the monks as saying.

But the second article names our old friend Attorney Huang. I've met Attorney Huang. (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35698)


Shaolin monks deny online tale of ninja that bested them, demand apology
Published: Friday, August 31, 2007 | 1:27 PM ET
Canadian Press

BEIJING (AP) - China's Shaolin Temple has demanded a public apology from an Internet user who claimed a Japanese ninja beat its kung fu-practising monks in a showdown, a lawyer said Friday.

An open letter from the temple posted on the Internet on Thursday denied the fight ever took place and called on the person who posted the claim under the name "Five minutes every day" to apologize to the temple's martial arts masters.

Monks from the temple, nestled in the Songshan Mountains of central China's Henan province, said they will consider legal action if he or she doesn't make a public apology.

Lawyer Huang Kun of Henan's Huizhi Law Firm confirmed in a telephone interview Friday that he had posted the letter on behalf of the temple.

The spat comes amid lingering tensions between China and Japan over wartime atrocities. Chinese remain highly sensitive to anything that smacks of Japanese militarism, particularly because many believe Tokyo has yet to show adequate remorse for its Second World War-era actions in China.

The posting last week on the "Iron Blood Bulletin Board Community" described a ninja who challenged the monks of the Shaolin Temple to a fight in August after practising boxing at a Japanese mountain retreat for five years. The Internet user claimed the monks accepted the challenge and the ninja won, proving the monks are trained to perform rather than fight.

The Shaolin Temple's letter said the posting was "evil" and "a pure fabrication." It said the account of the ninja's victory had been widely commented on and distributed, especially in Japan.

"This extremely irresponsible behaviour not only impacts the Shaolin Temple and its monks, but also the whole martial arts community and the Chinese people," it said.