Anyone know the history behind the Leopard fist?

[diego]

Why is it the most well known technique in CLF...why do you use it in fighting instead of say a Lama fist or a western boxer's fist?.
I've been looking at CLF video on the web and notice the leopard form has much usage for actual combat...no one fights like yang tai chi form all slow, real fights look like how the thai's shadowbox...leopard form has that shadowbox quality from what I can see.
For the last ten years I've been trying to figure out the details behind the lama fist as taught within the hop gar kung fu method and personnally feel like i know something about it, and now I'm intrigued by the actual combat usages of the leopard fist.
Some legends would be cool, but I want to know the history of it if at all possible...clf is one of the most famous styles of kung fu...to have a type of fist used to describe a system tells me there must be something good behind the cat's paw.

I know tiger gives you big muscles, a crushing palm and tearing fingers
dragon helps you coil and expand
snake makes you slick and pinpoint
crane makes you swift and you pierce with full body like a cranes beak to your neck
leopard makes you fast and gives you the wiry kickboxers frame...been reading doc fai wong's five animal book...now I want to understand the true fighting aspect of the leopard...anyone have actual leopard forms on video online or anything that would be icing on the cake!.

[TenTigers]

well, seeing how alot of Fukien Gung-Fu is also very Hakka influenced, I noticed this..Jook Lum Southern Mantis uses the ginger fist-similar to the leopard. Jook Lum also has very quick,evasive footwork, and many of these techniques are also seen in our Hung-Ga forms as well. I would think that there might have been a connection.
When you look at the Five Animals, there are so many ways you can interpet them-technique,concept,energy,intent,spirit,etc. When you look at the different type of fighters, and the methods for each one, you can analyse and catagorize them mush the way Bruce Lee did with JKD. The runner, the jammer, the counter fighter, etc. If we look at five basic fighting methodologies, we find that they can be,for ease of teaching (always good to connect a visual,kinetic tool to a concept)we can break it down and assign each one to one of the five animals.
The stand your ground,type. This guy will pull you in,rips and breaks,feels indomitable,will take your shots in order to take you out-Dragon.
The quick,ruthless,calm hitman-Strikes to the most painful and debillitating places-eyes, throat,etc with cold blooded intent-snake
The stick and move,sneaky, elusive (Sugar Ray Leonard) dodging your strikes,delivering well-aimed decisive strikes-Leopard
The powerhouse-jammer,aggressive fighter, attacks with an onslaught of ruthless, powerful strikes, invades your space, and keeps on barreling in like a freight train-Tiger
The counter-fighter, the matador, who calmly evades your attacks, yet strikes at the same time to your vulnerable targets-Crane.
Looking at footwork, the Tiger and Leopard seem to have the most,whereas the others seem to be more "rooted" (for lack of a better word) The Tiger leaps at you, the Leopard dodges and evades you.
It makes for a great combination to take the aggressive hard-hitting element strikes-gwa,cup,sow,been,jong,etc and couple them with quick evasive footwork and the techniques of the leopard. CLF seems to have done just that.
Of course, this is simply my own opinion, interpetations, and methodology. Yours may be different.

[ittokaos]

Bravo! Ten tigers really.

Well, I can't says I know all that much about the history of Leopard fist. I know how effective it is but not so much about the history. What I can help you with is that my Sifu is a Lineage holder of Lion's Roar! If you are still interested in looking up the history and legends I can ask my sifu if it is ok to give you his Email address.

He is really good with histories of martial arts and I think that he is writing a book about Lion's Roar!

If you are interested Pm me.

I hope this helps,

WF

[mok]

TT - good breakdown.

That said, even form your excellent boxing example (the stick and evade guy - let's call him "the dancer" for lack of a better term...) we can see it's not necessary to use "leoppard fist" shape to stick and evade. You can certainly "dance" with regular boxing, Muay thai, TKD, etc.

So where does the leoppard fist come from? IMO the basic of it is extra reach, especially for jabbing which would one of the "dancer"'s main tools. the Panther fist gives you an extra 2-inches, allowing your jabs to go under/over and connect, despite coming in from odd angles.

A better example: (maybe someone can verify this) someone told me once Choy li--Fut's side leaning panther fist was designed specifically to beat Hung Gar's side Yut-Ji Choy (sun punch in side-horse). Makes sense to me, that is the leaning structure plus the panther shape gives you a few inches of reach, so the idea is while Hung Ga goes into its famous "choo-choo train" the CLF guy will go under/over with same strike but a few inches more.

Can anyone corroborate this?

[diego]

Tiger and Leopard Exercise: A Technical Balance of Power and Finesse
By M.E.H.

In the world of Asian martial arts, many combat techniques are based on the behavior of the animals. Some of these animals are the mythological Dragon, Snake, Tiger, Leopard and Crane. The foundation of the Southern Shaolin martial art systems can be attributed to these five animals.

In China, the Tiger and the Leopard were two of the most feared animals that stalked the land. At night these man-eating creatures would sneak into villages where they would attack livestock and humans alike. To Chinese martial artists, these carnivores were not only feared, but also respected and even praised. Why? Because many of the Chinese open-hand combat techniques were based on the actions and movements of these two animals.

Let's start with the Tiger. The Tiger can be considered the fiercest of the original five animals taught at the Hunan Shaolin Temple. Its major characteristics are its raw courage, dynamic strength, and ferocious attacks. One predominant focus of the Tiger-pattern exercise is the introduction of powerful short-arm clawing strikes to the practitioner. Proper practice of the Tiger exercise can strengthen the practitioner’s bone structure. These factors turn the Tiger-pattern exercise into a dynamic power-oriented set of combat techniques.

The Leopard on the other hand has always been considered the cleverest of the Shaolin Five Animals. Its major attributes are dynamic attacks, agility, cunning, swiftness, high leaps, and running speed. The principal purpose of the Leopard-pattern exercise is to develop lightning speed and agility. The practitioner is introduced to the art and science of rapid-fire punching and kicking combinations and taught the skills of stalking an opponent. These techniques are a few of the components that make the Leopard-pattern exercise a methodical, speed-oriented combat style.

The Tiger-Leopard Fist is a part of the Hung Sing Choy Li Fut System. This traditional exercise synthesizes the dynamic moves of the Tiger with the rapid-fire maneuvers of the Leopard. Technically, it is a rapid tempo 80 move open-hand combat exercise that displays many efficient Choy Li Fut street combat tactics.

THE HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE TIGER AND LEOPARD FIST

The late Lew Bun (1891-1967) was the first grandmaster of the Hung Sing Choy Li Fut fighting system to teach in the United States. He consolidated the individual Tiger and Leopard forms and incorporated them into one lethal open-hand combat exercise the Tiger-Leopard Fist. This form was originally created as a physical conditioning exercise, but is now used as a combat form against an even more vicious animal—man!

Sifu Lew Bun came to the United States in the 1930s. In 1941, he opened his Choy Li Fut martial arts school in San Francisco Chinatown. His school was nicknamed the "Red Door." This moniker was due to the red-painted front door that honored the forefathers of the Choy Li Fut martial art system. Lew Bun continued to operate this school until his death in 1967.

During his tenure, Lew Bun discovered that some of his Choy Li Fut combat tactics were ineffective against physically large people. So, he decided to develop a set of pragmatic, but lethal open-hand exercises for the purpose of "open-hand combat against physically large opponents" (including, Cross and Reverse Fist, Tiger and Leopard Exercise, Ten Thousand Elephant Exercise, and Five Animals Internal Exercise).

Historically, the Tiger and Leopard set is considered a technical subset of the secretive Ten Thousand Elephant Fist exercise. The Ten Thousand Elephant Exercise is a clandestine short-range open-hand combat form that was only taught to his loyal and most advanced students. Lew Bun taught the Tiger and Leopard set as an introduction to advanced Choy Li Fut open-hand combat principles.

Many years after Lew Bun’s death, Sifu E. Y. Lee decided to teach this intricate open-hand set to his advanced students.

THE INFLUENCE OF CHOY LI FUT SYSTEM IN THE TIGER-LEOPARD EXERCISE

To learn the Tiger-Leopard exercise, the martial artist must first master the basic Choy Li Fut hand, foot, and eye movements.

This exercise also features the three major tactical movements of the Choy Li Fut system:


Inside-outside motion (Chieu Kil or "Penetrating the Bridge");
"Slip-hitting" attacks (Sei-Dai)
"Hand-piercing" thrusts (Chieu Charp)

THE TECHNICAL ABSTRACT BEHIND THE TIGER-LEOPARD EXERCISE

The Tiger-Leopard exercise is a rapid tempo open-hand combat exercise that displays some of Lew Bun's favorite street combat tactics. It combines the powerful attacks of the Tiger and the strategic darting motion of the Leopard. Some of the distinguishing Tiger and Leopard moves are the "Double Circular Tiger Claw" attack, Tiger Tail Kick, Rolling Ground Spinning Body Sweep, multiple "Leopard Knuckle" Thrusts, and "Double Leopard" Upper-cutting Hand Strikes.

Technically, the Tiger-Leopard exercise incorporates a wide array of short to medium range punching and kicking tactics of the Hung Sing Choy Li Fut system. Its hand techniques include vertical-motion elbow smashes, the overhead reverse sweeping punch, a specialized (corkscrew drill motion) one-inch impact "Leopard ping) punches, elbow smashes, and downward-thrusting "Leopard Knuckle" strike. (The last two Choy Li Fut "Leopard Knuckle" hand techniques are a part of the Choy Li Fut system Charp Tsui punching techniques.) The array of kicking techniques includes the triple-jumping crescent kick, double-ground sweeping kick, stationary-ground sweeping kick, low-elevation knee and shin-shattering kicks, and groin-aiming snap-thrust kicks.

A typical combat progression in the Tiger-Leopard exercise is the explosive movement of a retreating cross stance, followed by a circular-motion overhead leopard back-fist hand strike leading to a sequence of triple jumping spinning kicks. This sequence is completed by advancing forward with a darting side-square stance and targeting a frontal leopard strike to a selected vital spot in the lower abdomen.

When the footwork portion of this exercise is done correctly, the completion of the pattern walks looks like the Chinese character for peace.

TECHNICAL IMPORTANCE OF THE TIGER LEOPARD EXERCISE

While teaching this form, Sifu Lee also stressed the following eight strategic principles of open-hand combat:


Striking is more effective than grabbing
Implementing the flesh portion of the hand and the leg onto the bone
Delivering the bone portion of the hand and the leg onto the flesh
Targeting speed-oriented hand strikes toward the head
Directing power-based hand strikes to the nerve points of the body
Dodging and countering is more effective than "blocking and attacking"
Quick drawing your opponent(s) effectively (through positive strategic awareness and responding)
Deceiving your opponents psychologically is more effective than physical attrition (Subtlety and technical misdirection are the metaphysical devices that can be used to mislead your opponents to a false conclusion.)

Sifu Lee always reminded his students that the true art of street combat is based on striking the opponent effectively and not getting hit. "...If you are going to "quick draw" your opponent, explode into your opponent effectively. If you are wrong, recover quickly."

He also emphasized that "... for every offensive technique implemented, there is always a defensive technique that can neutralize it. However, there are no counters to the elements of timing and power. The Tiger-Leopard exercise is one of those rare ideal open-hand sets that focuses on developing the proper execution of both speed and power with an emphasis on physical agility and proper timing."

[diego]

UNDERSTANDING THE ANIMALS

As part of the training, Sifu Lee underscores the importance of understanding the spirit and motion of the animals. Part of the student's training is to emulate the spirit and the movement of these animals. They are instructed to visit the city zoo and the library to study the quintessence nature of the animal. Sifu Lee argues that if the student does not do this, then, he or she is likely to have a difficult time emulating the spirit and the movement of the animal.

VARIOUS COMBAT TACTICS OF THE TIGER-LEOPARD EXERCISE

Some of the combat tactics that this exercise stresses are:


Delivering a deceptive rear torquing leopard hand thrust from a tight hip motion
Implementing knockout punches (frontal or back hand) off the front leg
Implementing the second hand strike off the reverse motion from the front hand (slip-in and striking motion)
Intercepting and locking the opponent’s attack with one hand and performing a diving-inside torquing-motion hand thrust strike with the other hand to the lower vital spots of an opponent at the same time
Shifting and spinning off the front and rear leg
Targeting linear and corkscrew motion hand strikes to vital points
Using tight circular and short linear motions punching techniques in closed area
Using the front hand to cover the opponent's eyes or to disrupt the opponent’s breathing by stretching their neck
Utilizing the front or the back hand as a misdirectional cue
Using soft-flowing maneuvering techniques to penetrate through the defense of the opponent
Executing quick, singular, and multiple one-inch impact hand and leg strikes (that is, aiming at the leg and below the waist-level with front snap thrust kicks) to the opponent’s vital spots
Changing direction by turning on the balls of your feet
Employing evading and countering from any angular position and various physical motions (such as skipping, stepping, sliding, and jumping).

In the Tiger-Leopard form, there is also a strong emphasis on combining various hand and leg striking movements. Some of the techniques that are emphasized included the transitions from:


Circular to linear movement
Diagonal angle to linear movement
Circular to circular movement
A progressive sequence that includes all three types of movement

ADDITIONAL TECHNICAL FOCUS

In the beginning of training, Sifu Lee usually instructs the student to execute the exercise with minimum speed, maximum extension, full coordination, timing, and precise accuracy. Once the fundamentals are mastered, the student is taught to exercise the punching and kicking maneuvers with maximum velocity from all directions.

The Tiger-Leopard player is also trained on a balanced state of large, medium, and small-sized circular movements. The practitioner is also taught to utilize small double action (that is, circular to linear) and double-impact hand thrust movements in combat situations. Once the student has completed the basic technical portion of this exercise, Sifu Lee guides the student on the applications of the Tiger-Leopard combat techniques in various dissimilar street-combating scenarios. The student is then taught how to respond in these various single and the multiple-persons combat scenarios. The student is also instructed on how to effectively strike the various portions of the human body (that is, nerve points, meridians, limbs, and so on).

In the beginning of most martial arts training programs, the students are taught to block with one hand and attack with the other hand. At E.Y. Lee Kung Fu School, Tiger and Leopard practitioners are instructed to simultaneously disintegrate the opponent's attack and counterattack. This advanced combat tactic is emphasized in other advanced combat exercises of the Choy Li Fut system (that is, Five Animals Internal Exercise, the Ten Thousand Elephant Exercise, and so on).

While maneuvering and combating in a vertical linear motion is a common trait found in most martial art systems, instantaneous evading and countering movements are particularly highlighted in this exercise.

COMPARING THE TIGER-LEOPARD EXERCISE TO OTHER ADVANCED SETS

The single commonality that all advanced exercises possess is the emphasis on the killshot. The killshot is the martial arts equivalent to Western boxing's knockout punch. The Tiger-Leopard exercise introduces to the player to a variety of killshot tactics. These lethal tactics are practiced in both single- and multi-combat situations. The students are also instructed in the art and science of rapid-fire one-inch hand strikes and the various tactical principles of open-hand combat.

COMPARING COMBAT TACTICS OF THE TIGER0LEOPARD EXERCISE TO WESTERN BOXING

Sifu Lee points out that there are many technical similarities between this open-hand exercise and that of Western boxing. These specific parallels are the usage of angular hooks, straight thrusts, round house swings, and crosses.

In a street combat situation, the motion of an experienced Tiger-Leopard player is similar to that of a skilled Western boxer. Once an experienced practitioner has penetrated the outer defenses of an adversary, he/she should instinctively target an offensive combination of quick hooking and upper-cutting strikes into the vital spots of the opponent.

CONCLUSION

If the Choy Li Fut player were to master the power-based actions of the Tiger and the explosiveness motion of the Leopard, his arsenal of efficient open-hand combat maneuvers would be increased dramatically.

Sifu Lee accentuated that the consummate Tiger and Leopard player is one who is "methodical by style, subtle by action." This mindset is extremely emphasized in the training of some of his other advanced Choy Li Fut open-hand combat training exercises.

In the 20th century and beyond, elaborate open-hand combat sets like the Tiger-Leopard exercise are needed to teach defense-minded students the art of defending themselves from the most vicious animals of all.


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M.E.H is an amateur scholar who specializes in Asian military history. In his spare time, he studies Chinese internal martial arts, the Chinese spear, and the Chinese straight sword.

http://www.jadedragon.com/articles/tigleop.html

[diego]

well, seeing how alot of Fukien Gung-Fu is also very Hakka influenced, I noticed this..Jook Lum Southern Mantis uses the ginger fist-similar to the leopard. Jook Lum also has very quick,evasive footwork, and many of these techniques are also seen in our Hung-Ga forms as well. I would think that there might have been a connection.
When you look at the Five Animals, there are so many ways you can interpet them-technique,concept,energy,intent,spirit,etc. When you look at the different type of fighters, and the methods for each one, you can analyse and catagorize them mush the way Bruce Lee did with JKD. The runner, the jammer, the counter fighter, etc. If we look at five basic fighting methodologies, we find that they can be,for ease of teaching (always good to connect a visual,kinetic tool to a concept)we can break it down and assign each one to one of the five animals.
The stand your ground,type. This guy will pull you in,rips and breaks,feels indomitable,will take your shots in order to take you out-Dragon.
The quick,ruthless,calm hitman-Strikes to the most painful and debillitating places-eyes, throat,etc with cold blooded intent-snake
The stick and move,sneaky, elusive (Sugar Ray Leonard) dodging your strikes,delivering well-aimed decisive strikes-Leopard
The powerhouse-jammer,aggressive fighter, attacks with an onslaught of ruthless, powerful strikes, invades your space, and keeps on barreling in like a freight train-Tiger
The counter-fighter, the matador, who calmly evades your attacks, yet strikes at the same time to your vulnerable targets-Crane.
Looking at footwork, the Tiger and Leopard seem to have the most,whereas the others seem to be more "rooted" (for lack of a better word) The Tiger leaps at you, the Leopard dodges and evades you.
It makes for a great combination to take the aggressive hard-hitting element strikes-gwa,cup,sow,been,jong,etc and couple them with quick evasive footwork and the techniques of the leopard. CLF seems to have done just that.
Of course, this is simply my own opinion, interpetations, and methodology. Yours may be different.


Gotta look at that bruce lee book again...I haven't had the chance to see any much of Hakka gung fu, do you have any links you reccomend?.

[diego]

we need more historians

[TenTigers]

"haven't had the chance to see any much of Hakka gung fu, do you have any links you reccomend?."

um, no. all my experience has been hands-on.;)

[diego]

"haven't had the chance to see any much of Hakka gung fu, do you have any links you reccomend?."

um, no. all my experience has been hands-on.;)
That's cool,

i remember when i first started with my interest in kung fu back in 96 when gene was chilling with yan ming and the rza from the wu tang clan...always liked the leopard style...even back then there was something about it even tho i knew nothing about it...now muay thai catches my eye like leopard does...a lot of kung fu styles bore me frankly as i was lucky to study a street style of kung fu from the get go. It's funny looking how the thai's fight helped me look at how i move from cat to bow stance methods while fighting...now looking at leopard and choy li fut i notice i'm really focusing on the quick change of the horse to bow stance punching methods.
I realize now all i care about is kung fu for health and effective kung fu fighting methods, i no longer care for the abstract in martial arts...the **** is cool, but looking at how the thai's train and looking at the overall mung fu as expressed in the popular media makes me giggle in annoyance:o

Lately I'm on this kick for martial inspiration, just like when i first started doing hop ga ten years ago...spent the whole summer just beach bumming it shadowboxing on the beach with the pretty females thinking i'm in enough shape now to take this kung fu **** seriously....but i look at the **** out there and it's just like ****...**** off, i'ma just work on my basics like the thai's do and pray for change, lol

[diego]

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?search_query=&user=kidspatula123&page=2
hour long video of muay thai basics shown by samkor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9mQrmbEdvI
samkor sparring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxUAIEsGrnw&mode=related&search=
samkor sparring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr_8RCngUso

the legend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKhxShe0RXU

a young samkor

so i been watching this guy since christmas and been hella inspired...thai is inspirational for any southern style like hung gar clf hop gar etc...easily it is a mix of snake, crane and leopard

my hop gar forms are hard as hell compared to all the drills samkor shows in the art of muay thai vid's in the first link...but the thai's applied knowledge of uses of the twist stance and fighting from cat to bow ranges has been priceless for my overall development...the drills are basic, but watching a champ do them makes you move less like a chump:)...kung fu world you have to pay a million peso to get an hour video of the styles fundamentals...muay thai just go on you tube and you get a billion links...i'm loving choy li fut dudes lateley, mad slept on them...they got lots of clips of fundamental training footage cuz they like to fight...most kung fu peeps seem scared to fight so they stay closed!??

too bad as it gives room for frauds to breathe...

[diego]

basic form but it's a start...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KihDirIqXg