Kajukenbo Hop Gar

[diego]

http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/

Hello yall, here's some pictures of techniques from my stepdad's deceased teacher Alexander "Kaido" Polintain. These are from an article he did with Grandmaster David Chin back in 1975. I hope you like these...I notice there are some typo's in the actual article:)

[BruceSteveRoy]

thats some pretty cool stuff thanks for the post.

[diego]

thats some pretty cool stuff thanks for the post.

thanks man:) I'm working on a tribute site to Kaido, so stay tuned...I got like twenty minutes of footage, then I'm gonna film me doing his basics with some application...should be sweet.

[jdhowland]

Hi, Diego.

Did you ever find the other magazine article you were looking for?

This one has always puzzled me because I practice Ng Yim Ming Hop Ga and I could never tell where this kind of movement came from. The poses are right, but the transitions seem awkward. Probably just a matter of poor editing by the magazine staff. Was this before he met Dacascos?

Be well.
John

[diego]

Hi, Diego.

Did you ever find the other magazine article you were looking for?

This one has always puzzled me because I practice Ng Yim Ming Hop Ga and I could never tell where this kind of movement came from. The poses are right, but the transitions seem awkward. Probably just a matter of poor editing by the magazine staff. Was this before he met Dacascos?

Be well.
John

This is the only history of Kaido I have...and it's in french...I haven't done french since elementary school:) Have you heard of a W.C. Wong out of San Francisco?.

"Voyons maintenant les antecedents de Kaido. Celui-ci est ne le juillet 1948 aux Philippines. A 13 ans il commence son entrainment, a 20 ans il s'etait deja entraine avec les meilleurs instructeurs sur deux continents.
Bein que le KaJuKenBo soit sa specialite, il a egalement etudie le "White Crane Kung Fu" avec le maitre Harry Ng. Ming et les techniques de la "mante religieuse" (kung fu) avec Sifu W.C. Wong a San Francisco. Tout en etant un adepte du "style lent" chinois, Kaido etudia egalement le karate burokukai sous la direction de Richard Kim de San Francisco et le Shorin Ryu avec Latino Gonzalez aux Philippines. C'est du professeur Adriano qu'il recut les enseignements du KajuKenbo en Hawaii."

Kaido receiving 5'th dan in KajuKenbo from Emperado in the mid 70's I beleive.

http://www.geocities.com/tibetankungfu/kaito_emperado.html

[diego]

Hi, Diego.

Did you ever find the other magazine article you were looking for?

This one has always puzzled me because I practice Ng Yim Ming Hop Ga and I could never tell where this kind of movement came from. The poses are right, but the transitions seem awkward. Probably just a matter of poor editing by the magazine staff. Was this before he met Dacascos?

Be well.
John


http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20005.html?referrer=http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/

right leg weighted crane stance, left twist step and right side heel kick to his knee...Kaido uses lots of twist stance when he kicks like how the Thai's do.

http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20006.html?referrer=http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20005.html

here his right leg drops back for cross stance, then pivot on right heel and unwind counterclockwise into left twist stance. Right steal step into right cross stance and backfist, and pivot on right heel again and unwind counterclockwise into left bow stance and right upper cut to gut level or right overhead to temple.

here Kaido is being stylistic...after the kick he poses and then unwinds...I was never taught to strike go ongaurd and then follow up lol.

http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20007.html?referrer=http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20006.html

here he shuffle steps...right foot steps off line from the attack and left foot plants and right arm hits...all one motion it's a shuffle step, not a walking step.

http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20008.html?referrer=http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20007.html

here you shuffle forward and upcut to gut and then shuffle in and around and upcut groin....kaido will move in to your center and evade you at the same time, it's all angular rotations.

http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20009.html?referrer=http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20008.html
again with the shuffle step...right foot steps and left foot centers.

http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20010.html?referrer=http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20009.html

shuffle to the side, right foot steps and left follows and left block...shuffle in and claw, shuffle out and upcut to gut...shuffle around and right overhead to left temple.

http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20011.html?referrer=http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20010.html

this is straight up typo...how he go from one leg stance into left crane when the wall is in his way:) lol

http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato%20001.html?referrer=http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/slides/Kato.html

again this has to be typo....shuffle in and jam him with right crown gaurd and left upcut to gut...if it isn't a typo i'm guessing his weight drops back onto his left leg and he lunges into right bow and claw eyes...how did he trap the forearms lol? must be a typo, or it's very stylistic and I haven't seen him do it, and I've seen most of his application...

This article is from 1975 and the picture with Emperado is from around the same time. Kaido was 5'th dan KajuKenbo, so he prolly knew Dacasco by then!?

[diego]

Hi, Diego.

Did you ever find the other magazine article you were looking for?

This one has always puzzled me because I practice Ng Yim Ming Hop Ga and I could never tell where this kind of movement came from. The poses are right, but the transitions seem awkward. Probably just a matter of poor editing by the magazine staff. Was this before he met Dacascos?

Be well.
John

yeah, i'm watching wun hop kuen do on you tube and it looks nothing like kaido except for the tornado kicks...kaido slaps his right claw-palm into the heel of the right foot when doing the inside crescent kick portion of the tornado kick, while others will slap the top of their foot with their other hand...kaido basically jumps up and grabs his foot with the same hand. WHKD seems more kajukenbo-lohan and kaido is more kajukenbo-bagua.

[diego]

mm, also my stepdad told me kaido came to class one day and said they are not using the kajukenbo crest anymore and kaido got some new crests made up which had a white crane on them...

it's interesting no one talks about kaido in the kajukenbo-kung fu world cuz his form is better than emperado i can honestly say that as a kung fu fan...why is their no tribute sites?

my stepdad told me montreal was a pretty shady place in the 70's, and i read about the montreal hells angels killing judges etc...kaido suppossedly taught satans choice and they funded his first school before they got locked up and he got new students...he told Philip Gelinas he is retiring in 1980 and was killed a few years late...the **** would make a good novel, i'm guessing he left someone unhappy!? but his style sure looks good!.:cool:

[diego]

http://www.absolutemartialarts.net/id12.html

Here's a bit more history on Kaido.

[diego]

Here is a short referance to Kaido from one of his senior black belt instructors. Kaido is the teacher that told him to look into arnis and kali for good fighters...it's a shame dude was killed as he would have gotten off on all the ufc/dog brother clubs out now.:)


http://dogbrothers.com/wrapper.php?file=bios_gelinas.htm

Philip "Sled Dog" Gelinas

I started my Martial Arts training in 1967 in a Japanese karate style called Chito Ryu. I was 14 years old. I don’t remember the reasons why I started but they were strong enough that when I began I didn’t want to stop.

Over the next 13 years my training was steady if uneventful. I trained in Judo, Japanese Kempo, and Hawaiian Kajukenbo, earning black belt ranks Kempo (1973 ) and Kajukenbo (1975). I was somewhat successful in touch karate tournaments and accumulated a bunch of trophies that I had to dump a few years ago.

It was however in 1980, when my Kajukenbo instructor decided to stop teaching, that the door to a world of possibilities was opened to me by a casual comment that he made. As we were talking, after he broke the news to us, he said “watch out for the old men with the sticks”. A prophetic comment if there ever was one. I of course immediately started looking for old men with sticks.

The following spring I answered an ad in Inside Kung Fu magazine offering information about the Arnis America Organization. Without going into a long winded explanation I managed to get to a seminar in upstate New York and meet Tuhon Leo Gaje beginning my training in Pekiti Tirsia Kali. A that same seminar I met Billy (now Tuhon) McGrath, Tom Bisio and most of the Pekiti Tirsia seniors from New York. This may not mean much to people from California but Montreal was not the crossroads of the martial arts world in the early 1980’s and we had to go to things because things did not come to us. The seminar lasted from six o’clock Friday evening to when we could hardly move on Sunday evening. A surprise guest was Penjak Silat instructor Eddy Jafri.

That summer I had my first full contact stick fighting experience. The padding used in those days was almost the opposite of what is used today in the Dog Brothers MA. We wore heavy felt body armor, a heavy kendo type helmet, and no gloves other than whatever pads we could find. Strikes were not permitted below the waist and direct strikes to the hands were also not allowed. Boy have things changed.

I entered my first stick fighting tournament at the United Nations school that year and tied for first place with two other competitors. The finals never happened because there were two choirs and two fashion shows that had to go on first and we ran out of time. The real story is actually much funnier than I make it seem, ask someone else who was there. I also met Guro Inosanto there for the first time, as well as Eric Knaus.

For the next few years, I participated in various Pekiti Tirsia training camps as well as sponsoring seminars in Montreal with Tuhon Gaje and Tom Bisio.

I was promoted to Lakan Guro by Tom Bisio in 1984, and to Mata-as na Guro, by Tuhon Gaje in 1987.

I was introduced to Muay Thai training in 1985 by Tom Harinck of the Chakuriki school and received my first Muay Thai instructor’s credential through that group.

In 1987 I began my most ambitious non-training martial arts project. I began to compile (what I hoped to be) an accurate family tree of the Kajukenbo system. When I started I had 135 names from a tree that was assembled in 1975. Half of them turned out to be inaccurate. Based on new information I have issued an updated version for the last 9 years. The latest edition has over 2000 names from all branches.

I went to Los Angeles in the summer of 1988. At that time I re-connected with Eric Knaus who had relocated there from NY , and began sparring with him at the Inosanto Academy using his version of full contact stick fighting. One of the unique aspects of these sessions with Eric was witnessing his unflinching resolve to try out his “stuff” against any non-bladed impact weapons available, including hardwood nunchakus, three sectional staffs, and oak bokken. A have a home video of him at the academy breaking some shields that had been sent there for inspection. In those early fights we used some heavy steel masks that Eric had made, based on the fencing mask design, but using stainless steel mesh.

Later that summer, at a Pekiti Tirsia camp in Nashville Tn., I had the pleasure of meeting Marc Denny for the first time. After this point I was invited to come out to Los Angeles to participate in a video shoot. This was the basis of what was to become the Dog Brothers first video series.

In 1992 ,on Guro Dan Inosanto’s invitation, I joined his instructor’s program. I am presently an associate instructor in Jun Fan Gung Fu and Filipino Martial Arts and a level 3 instructor in Maphilindo Silat.

1992 was also the year that I passed my basic level in Muay Thai with Adjarn Chai Sirsute.

Not thinking that enough was enough in one person’s training I started to practice Capoeira under Maestre Deraldo Ferriera of Boston Mass.. It was a lot of fun and I practiced for a couple of years. The method we practiced came from a blend of the Regional and Angola styles, but tended more towards the lower, less spectacularly acrobatic, but more finely controlled Angola type. Eventually a shoulder injury prevented me from continuing.

My desire to improve my grappling skills has been complicated by the fact that Montreal is just about the only major North American city that does not have a transplanted Brazilian Ju-Jitsu instructor. I will have to confront those problems as they arise at the gatherings I plan to attend in the future. I try to follow some of the Shoot curriculum from the Inosanto Academy but it is rough without regular guidance.

I have maintained my particication in Kajukenbo and hold an advanced rank in the Emperado Method, as well as rank in the Chuan Fa branch under the Dacascos group.

In November 1996 I moved into my present school in downtown Montreal. I try to pass on the things I have picked up along the way.

Recently I was lured by friends to begin training in Cimande Silat under Guru Besar Willem de Thouars.

The roller coaster continues.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Holy crap, some people are blessed by who they are exposed to.

Tuhon Leo Gaje
Dan Inosanto
Adjarn Chai Sirsute.
Besar Willem de Thouars

And the list goes on...wow...

I have had the pleasure of seminars and training with Inosanto and Sirsute and just those two are a lifetime of knowledge.

[Steeeve]

sanjuro

What do you mean by crap

I know very well Gm gelinas and trained Kajukenbo and pekiti tirsia Kali with him

let me tell you .....its not crap....

Every year...Tuhon Gaje came at Philip school ... and for the Kuntao silat of uncle Bill ...one of hes senior teach at Philip School( I trained with him in the past)

Steeve

[Steeeve]

Diego Mon Ami

Thank for the article

I have some footage of Kaito in the earlier days on the mont Royal.....also some from a public demos and during training class(more old)

[sanjuro_ronin]

sanjuro

What do you mean by crap

I know very well Gm gelinas and trained Kajukenbo and pekiti tirsia Kali with him

let me tell you .....its not crap....

Every year...Tuhon Gaje came at Philip school ... and for the Kuntao silat of uncle Bill ...one of hes senior teach at Philip School( I trained with him in the past)

Steeve

LOL !

Holy crap in the sense of "holy cow", "oh my goodness", Ay caramba, not in the sense that it IS crap.

[Steeeve]

Hahaha My english is so bad:)

Steeve

[sanjuro_ronin]

Ne pas de problem ;)

[diego]

Hahaha My english is so bad:)

Steeve

lol:)

I have footage of him on the park and he is wearing either a leather or jean jacket and jeans with boots, and all the students are in street clothes just relaxed sparring...roy is there as well as a black student and an egyptian student who turned my stepdad onto vegetarianism.
I have footage when he is with peter, phil, roy, and another student on stage wearing black uniforms...peter and roy do a hop gar two man set and roy spars, but i didn't copy all of the fight from peter's tapes ten years ago. The last bit of footage I have on Kaido is I beleive from a seminar Philip hosted in the mid 80's...kaido is wearing i think a red and black or blue leather sports coat and dark pants...his hair is short and he shows a bunch of sparring drills to a class of about forty pupils. In total I actually have about an hour of Kaido footage:cool:

Here is my e-mail
hopgarjt@yahoo.com

[diego]

This is the only history of Kaido I have...and it's in french...I haven't done french since elementary school:) Have you heard of a W.C. Wong out of San Francisco?.

"Voyons maintenant les antecedents de Kaido. Celui-ci est ne le juillet 1948 aux Philippines. A 13 ans il commence son entrainment, a 20 ans il s'etait deja entraine avec les meilleurs instructeurs sur deux continents.
Bein que le KaJuKenBo soit sa specialite, il a egalement etudie le "White Crane Kung Fu" avec le maitre Harry Ng. Ming et les techniques de la "mante religieuse" (kung fu) avec Sifu W.C. Wong a San Francisco. Tout en etant un adepte du "style lent" chinois, Kaido etudia egalement le karate burokukai sous la direction de Richard Kim de San Francisco et le Shorin Ryu avec Latino Gonzalez aux Philippines. C'est du professeur Adriano qu'il recut les enseignements du KajuKenbo en Hawaii."

Kaido receiving 5'th dan in KajuKenbo from Emperado in the mid 70's I beleive.

http://www.geocities.com/tibetankungfu/kaito_emperado.html

Steeeve, would you do me a huge favor and translate this into proper English?...Babelfish translator always give me a headache with their translations:)

[diego]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GpWe4_YRps&NR=1

uno, for ten years I've been trying to find info on kaido online or at least something that looks similar to his fighting form...Tony Jah is the closest I've come, minus the flips of course:)...I mean just the angles and the twists...I guess all good fighting form has a general similarity...it's just too bad all those ninja turtle movies from the 80's made it hard to find, lol.

[Steeeve]

Diego

No Problemo

I will try to translate that in English ...The best I could for You Bro...,let me some days......

BTW you have the same footage of me;)

Steeve

[SIFU RON]

Holy crap, some people are blessed by who they are exposed to.

Tuhon Leo Gaje
Dan Inosanto
Adjarn Chai Sirsute.
Besar Willem de Thouars

And the list goes on...wow...

I have had the pleasure of seminars and training with Inosanto and Sirsute and just those two are a lifetime of knowledge.

Dan Inosanto trained with GM Ark Wong years back. Dan got into most all M/A. I like him. I bet you enjoyed the training. You have been blessed.

[Steeeve]

Uncle Ron

You follow me ..... I will send you some of my certificate of seminar with Guru Dan .....just seminar .....

The Fast

[diego]

Diego

No Problemo

I will try to translate that in English ...The best I could for You Bro...,let me some days......

BTW you have the same footage of me;)

Steeve

Awesome Steeeve, I'm trying to find a record of death for Kaido and had no luck on google. My stepdad said Kaido died in Montreal, I was wondering if you had any info on the date and if their is any newspaper clippings of his murder. I beleive Kaido was cremated, but it would be nice to find his grave:)

Thanks,
James

[Steeeve]

Diego

I saw a journal article of Kaido about Kaido murder ....He was shot(multiple shot) ...I dont have this article ...I will check to find it ....one of my old friend have it ....but long time i dont see him... in the 80...

Steeve

[Steeeve]

Diego almost finish to translate the french article ....but thats a BS articles

Who said Kaito learned the praying mantis kung fu under Y C Wong in San Francisco:D Y C Wong teach Hung Gar ....No Praying mantis ....:o


Steeve

[diego]

Diego almost finish to translate the french article ....but thats a BS articles

Who said Kaito learned the praying mantis kung fu under Y C Wong in San Francisco:D Y C Wong teach Hung Gar ....No Praying mantis ....:o


Steeve

??:) nothing about kaido seems cut and paste, let alone some BS bio;)

my stepdad says he remembers seeing Emperado at kaidos class a few times, and remembers going to dinner when Emperado was their, he said Emperado liked him, cuz he was young and quite...Did Kaido get his KajuKenbo directly from Emperado?.

[Steeeve]

If you take a look at the family tree of Kajukenbo ....GM Gelinas work and done a complete Genealogic tree for the Kajukenbo .....Kaito is direct with Sijo Emperado ...


Steeve

[diego]

If you take a look at the family tree of Kajukenbo ....GM Gelinas work and done a complete Genealogic tree for the Kajukenbo .....Kaito is direct with Sijo Emperado ...


Steeve


right, but i remember philip wrote me saying he didn't know where kaido got his hop gar from...he said something about someone besides kaio, dacasco and emperado may have made some of his kajukenbo hop gar sets...philip wrote me ten years ago saying he contacted the hop ga reps and they denied ever hearing of kaido...and then philip highlighted that he doesn't know where kaido got it from, but he knows it works...philip is a dogbrother so his word has some weight...

http://lionsroar.name/tony_galvin_lineage_page.htm

tony galvin lists kaido and mario studied san shou under harry ng...i gotta get hold of tony galvin...how does he know of kaido, but david chin doesn't even know why he is in an article with kaido!?!...

i know kaido's crane punches work...my stepdad seen kaido fight...you heard the stories of kaido in montreal scrapping...


the fuq is it so hard to get some verification on this guy??!:)

[diego]

another thing about kaido that is odd to me...my stepdad said kaido made up some white crane crests inthe 70's and siad they weren't going to use the kajukenbo name or something...you mentioned philip specializes in emperado method...my stepdad for the three and a half years he studied personnally under kaido in the mid 70's, Kaido only taught White Crane style...just a bit of emperado kajukenbo...

[htowndragon]

i've talked to tony a few times over the phone.

[diego]

i've talked to tony a few times over the phone.

#? :) ......

[htowndragon]

i doubt he wants me giving out his number, but i think there are other ways you can contact him. let me find an email for you or something.

[diego]

i doubt he wants me giving out his number, but i think there are other ways you can contact him. let me find an email for you or something.

Cool man,
James

[Lama Pai Sifu]

i doubt he wants me giving out his number, but i think there are other ways you can contact him. let me find an email for you or something.

Tony G. stayed with me for a few months, back in 93. He's a good guy. Let him know that I said 'hello' and tell him he can contact me if he wants. I'd love to hear from him.

[diego]

Steeve and Htown you guys find the time to research for me?

[diego]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0cqkTkT6ck&mode=related&search=

this is very similar style to kaido's fighting form when he on the pole with the elbows and close knee stance:)

[diego]

upping ttt

[diego]

Diego almost finish to translate the french article ....but thats a BS articles

Who said Kaito learned the praying mantis kung fu under Y C Wong in San Francisco:D Y C Wong teach Hung Gar ....No Praying mantis ....:o


Steeve

i missed your question...that french article was in some kajukenbo papers Peter brought 10 years ago.

[diego]

htown and steeve i'm still waiting on that info...

[The Xia]

What is the style like? From your posts diego, it sounds just like Hop Gar to me. Do you practice Kajukenbo sets as well?

[Steeeve]

Diego


Ur right the crest used by kaido was a white crane crest .....Costas one of my instructor in Kaju have it I saw it....He learned from kaido and also from Philip

Thats right nobody know about Kaido background .....but the basic and some chuan fa form form the kajukenbo chuan fa branch in the 70 in Montreal was from Kaido .....later we include more of Dacascos chuan fa and Won hop kuen do stuff...I mean the form like Ha kuen,Lim po and some northern sil lum
Since one of his senior student the late Sifu endrezzi start a school in trois riviere

But the basic was the hop gar punching .....but no forms from hop gar or lama
Probably forms created by kaido himself(the dragon dance and so on)....

The Kajukenbo(emperado and Wun hop kuen do and the chuan fa was mostly bring By Philip) keep in mind the kajukenbo system have a lot of evolution from the Hard style kenpo to the more add of CMA in it .....Even today we could see a lot of variation in the 4 branch of Kajukenbofrom school to school

Here I talk without be sure .....Philip also said to me ....He dont know if kaido learned hop gar from Harry Ng but what he do work...

I heard from a lot of peoples
.Kaido was a big men in Montreal even if he was 5 feet 7 and 130 lbs .... Know and respect in the MA circle and the night life

Steeve

[diego]

What is the style like? From your posts diego, it sounds just like Hop Gar to me. Do you practice Kajukenbo sets as well?

Hello Xia, it seems to me Kaido took all of his martial experiance and condensed his Kajukenbo Hop Gar into a method simple and practical for the streets and the ring...like a steamlined version of Classical Southern kung fFu fighting knowledge updated for the streets of North America. I have heard a story in Lama circles that it Lama is a style to beat everyone elses, and I have also heard that Hop Gar is learned by fighting...maybe you would go to Shaolin and Jackie Chan train for twenty years get all your stances and bag power and point sparring with some chinese wrestling...then the Hop Gar Sifu would show you ideas that you would then go out in the streets and try these particular ideas...My stepdad told me Kaido would go to Montreal bars and do this...:)

So I would like to say Kaido cut out all the fluff but I don't know his whole method, but I can say that it seems he only trained for realism, and one can see that within his martial forms.

I'll write more shortly, have you had a gander at the Kaido article I linked at the start of this thread?.

[diego]

okay i'm going to give you the raw on kaido

he started teaching in montreal around 72-73, retired in 80 my stepdad toldme he heard something about a student won a lotto and kaido tried to extort him and all the students were ****ed...around then is when he retired...sometime between 85 and 90 he was shot cuz he always called this guy a joke and treated him like **** and buddy capped him at a gambling house.

suppossedly he taught satans choice bikers and they funded him in the beginning then they got locked up and he started teaching teenagers and young guys...my stepdad thinks he was trying to form a gang.

my stepdad was a hippykid studied with kaido when he was a teenager and moved out to vancouver in his early twenties and picked up methods off kaido's students he made friends with. my stepdad was scared of kaido...like i might get robbed scared.

kaido had a asain buddy chu or something like that who would always steal drugs off the party kids uno a local thug my stepdad hated him...kaido would be conducting a class and chu would walk in all aggressive and just start banging on the heavy bag while peeps are learning forms...the class was real street mentality and my stepdad couldn't relate being vegan and into spirituality...they were all meat and potatoes greaser types.

suppossedly kaido taught in the american army and killed someone and that's how he ended up in montreal....

local karate tough guys would come in kaido's class talking **** and kaido would smack the **** out of them and resume teaching...he would always be on the phone yelling and my stepdad remebers being frightened one time when kaido was on the phone talking about i'll kill you mother****er


kaido liked cocaine

kaido loved to train

when my stepdad left kaido's class he looked at all the kung fu schools out there and couldn't relate so he went into dance.

kaido's black belt test was you stand in horse and close your eyes arms up in prayer and he side kicks you until you fall down...if you cry you fail.

kaido would always stomp your gut if you complained doing sit ups...if you complained or went halfass while sparring he would wait until an hour later and then come up when you're doing sit ups and stomp your guts with hate in his eyes...my stepdad said when he was 18 kaido scared the **** out of him, and a lot of people took what he said...eventually he was shot.

[hskwarrior]

i like kajukenbo.........

some of it was inspired by Lau Bun........adriano emperado supposedly had some contact with him.

[diego]

Diego


Ur right the crest used by kaido was a white crane crest .....Costas one of my instructor in Kaju have it I saw it....He learned from kaido and also from Philip

Thats right nobody know about Kaido background .....but the basic and some chuan fa form form the kajukenbo chuan fa branch in the 70 in Montreal was from Kaido .....later we include more of Dacascos chuan fa and Won hop kuen do stuff...I mean the form like Ha kuen,Lim po and some northern sil lum
Since one of his senior student the late Sifu endrezzi start a school in trois riviere

But the basic was the hop gar punching .....but no forms from hop gar or lama
Probably forms created by kaido himself(the dragon dance and so on)....

The Kajukenbo(emperado and Wun hop kuen do and the chuan fa was mostly bring By Philip) keep in mind the kajukenbo system have a lot of evolution from the Hard style kenpo to the more add of CMA in it .....Even today we could see a lot of variation in the 4 branch of Kajukenbofrom school to school

Here I talk without be sure .....Philip also said to me ....He dont know if kaido learned hop gar from Harry Ng but what he do work...

I heard from a lot of peoples
.Kaido was a big men in Montreal even if he was 5 feet 7 and 130 lbs .... Know and respect in the MA circle and the night life

Steeve

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kaido taught HopGar to his student's in Montreal from 1972-1980, he retired at the age of 40, and was killed 6 or 7 years later. He taught " In the Hop Gar there
were the following forms, Soft & Hard (Tai Chi like), Two person form, and 4
breathing exercises. There were 44 hop gar techniques at the beginning then
another 16 later on. There is nobody that has them all (I checked). Why we
didn't record them all back then I don't know. Video was just beginning and
it was reel to reel." quote from Philip Gelinas one of Kaido's top students

Steeve Ifound this old quote on Kaido's material, have you seen all of these...is the soft hard tai chi like set mentioned the one Philip does in the park video when he shows all the sets and the steaff and sword forms?...he moves slow for the first half like tai chi and then speeds up...Do you know if that has anything to do with the "Needle in Cotton" classical form?.

i know three of the breathing methods and my stepdad has two or three more...horse stance fingertips point to each other press forward at chest...inhale press palms into each other but don't touch moving forward at chest...inhale and repeat three times etcetc inhale pull fists to stomach bend forward hold...raise erect pull arms back at shoulder exhale press hands to sides...pull in inhale, press to sides exhale do three times and start over.

two

cat stance press wrists together cross hands up double tan sao style inhale, cross hand down double knife hand style exhale, do three times, rear pak sao/lead claw press at chest, thread pak sao hand up claw wrist...wind arms back, pull up center and hit bottom of elbows to chest exhale HUT press palms center forward slowly facing each other continue exhale...ssssssssssss...claw palm on top of pak sao backhand and press down to groin turning to horse, fingertips stop at groin and fingertips now face each other hands pronated...turn to cat stance on other side and repeat.

three
horse stance pak sao in and forward at chest single hand three times and then you do hook hand in at chest tan sao at face, knife hand at face, tiger claw grab outside grip and chamber and repeat with your other arm...nonworking hand sits supine backhand on top of thigh.

[diego]

i like kajukenbo.........

some of it was inspired by Lau Bun........adriano emperado supposedly had some contact with him.

:) yep, JDHowland on this forum has knowledge of these topics and knows old peeps from both styles...i'll pm him to peep your post:).

Steeve, i forget to ask...Philip said kaido's style is in no danger of disappearing, he mentioned his Kaido's daughter studies...Do you know how many people out there teach his system?.

[diego]

One last thing Steeeve...is that two person form Philip mentioned the one Peter and Roy do in the tournament demo with kaido and four students in dark suits?.

Cheers,
'ames

[diego]

Steeeve i was just talking to my stepdad, and he brought up that Emperado came to Montreal for kaido's tournament and he came a few times, my stepdad had dinner with him and his wife...JDHowland mentioned that Emperado knows some of the old school White Crane guys...wouldn't he know something about the origin of Kaido's technique?.

[The Xia]

Thanks for the answer. I looked at the article from the opening post. I couldn't read all of it because the bottom was cut off but it was still interesting. Did Kaido learn Hop Gar from Ng Yim Ming?

[Steeeve]

Steeve, i forget to ask...Philip said kaido's style is in no danger of disappearing, he mentioned his Kaido's daughter studies...Do you know how many people out there teach his system?.


Diego

From what I know ....Some guys teach the kaido stuff incorporated in teir Kaju...

One guy in Ontario John I know very well this guy ....teach the forms of kaido and the Emperado Kaju(hard style kenpo)He learned it mostly from Phillip annd trained also with Kaido...

maybe 7 years ago Roy have a school in Montreal dont know if he teach again

Steeve

[Steeeve]

i like kajukenbo.........

some of it was inspired by Lau Bun........adriano emperado supposedly had some contact with him.


Frank

William Chow had contact with GM Lau Bun some story also talk about Emperado have also contact .....Probably just meeting ...this guys was friend with Ming lum Who trained with GM Lau Bun in SF


Emperado trained under Chow before start the Kajukenbo ....

In the 50 and 60 He supposed from the history of Kaju to have studied some CMA at the Hawaii Chinese Physical Culture Ass...at this time in Hawaii the great Sifu was Sifu Lum Dai Yong of the sil lum fut ga...Sifu Lau yeu Cho of hung gar and Mah Kin of CLF

From the history...Prof Emperado receive a award from GM Ho Ngau of CLF appointing him as a advisor and representative of CLF...



Steeve

[diego]

Steeve, i forget to ask...Philip said kaido's style is in no danger of disappearing, he mentioned his Kaido's daughter studies...Do you know how many people out there teach his system?.


Diego

From what I know ....Some guys teach the kaido stuff incorporated in teir Kaju...

One guy in Ontario John I know very well this guy ....teach the forms of kaido and the Emperado Kaju(hard style kenpo)He learned it mostly from Phillip annd trained also with Kaido...

maybe 7 years ago Roy have a school in Montreal dont know if he teach again

Steeve
i was entertaining the idea of saving some money and mastering my basic and taking a plane to learn more of kaido's forms...is montreal a good bet or would that be expensive...I would love to find a class oppossed to spending thousands of dollars on private lessons uno:)

[diego]

Thanks for the answer. I looked at the article from the opening post. I couldn't read all of it because the bottom was cut off but it was still interesting. Did Kaido learn Hop Gar from Ng Yim Ming?

I'll write more about the technical aspects from what i know soon, i'm studieing for my fitness exam...just learned something

before i would step and throw my fist for a boxer rear cross

in order to throw a cross you have to flex the shoulder...to flex the shoulder you have to stabilize your pecs and lats


step into left bow, stabilize your right pecs and lats and just tighten your knuckles as your arm swingslams into the bag...nuts!!! this morning i figured out how to make my punch two to three times more powerfull by applying fitness theory...before i knew i could knock someone out with my fist as i could cut you with a hook...now i know i can generate enough to kill during a ground and pound.

[Steeeve]

Diego

If you want to learn Kaido style ....Go to see Philip:)

Steeve

[jdhowland]

i like kajukenbo.........

some of it was inspired by Lau Bun........adriano emperado supposedly had some contact with him.


Frank

William Chow had contact with GM Lau Bun some story also talk about Emperado have also contact .....Probably just meeting ...this guys was friend with Ming lum Who trained with GM Lau Bun in SF


Emperado trained under Chow before start the Kajukenbo ....

In the 50 and 60 He supposed from the history of Kaju to have studied some CMA at the Hawaii Chinese Physical Culture Ass...at this time in Hawaii the great Sifu was Sifu Lum Dai Yong of the sil lum fut ga...Sifu Lau yeu Cho of hung gar and Mah Kin of CLF

From the history...Prof Emperado receive a award from GM Ho Ngau of CLF appointing him as a advisor and representative of CLF...

Steeve



Hi Steeve and Diego.

I don't know of any direct connection between Lau Bun and Emperado. There are lots of connections between Island Kaju people and CLF.

Here's what I know. WARNING: this is going to get convoluted.

San Fransisco based White Crane master Quentin Fong spent a lot of time in Hawaii. In fact, he was just there last summer with Ming Lum. For about forty years he has been an advisor to some organizations of "Hawaiian Kenpo." Many of these Kenpo practitioners were former Kaju men. Fong learned Lau Bun's CLF from Ming Lum.

Cheuk Tse (White Crane, Hop Ga, CLF) moved to the islands in the '60s and opened a school as Harry Ng's representative. He taught at the same place (Hawaii Chinese Buddhist Assoc.) where the Chinese Physical Culture Association that Steeve mentioned had met for decades. The CPCA and Cheuk's Kung Fu Assoc. didn't mix but Emperado may have been influenced by both groups. Cheuk Tse taught Willy Chow's son for a time. During classes Chow Sr. used to pace around the parking lot outside. We used to joke that he was there to steal our training methods. Emperado and Cheuk Tse were close friends. It was Cheuk who arranged to have Emperado promoted to 10th degree professor rank by Cheuk's CLF master Ho Ngau. I emailed Emperado last year (through a senior Kaju student) to ask him whether he had incorporated any of Ho's CLF into Kajukenbo. He replied that he didn't really learn from Ho but was given the appointment as a representative at Cheuk's reccomendation for equivalent experience. Cheuk and Emperado shared a lot of info.

Hope this helps.

John

[hskwarrior]

http://www.kajukenboinfo.com/sijo.html

" About the same time he started a serious study of various kung fu systems. He studied under Professor Lau Bun of the Choy Li Fut system and Professor Wong of the Northern Shaolin system. Several years later these professors and the Hawaii Chinese Physical Culture Association awarded Emperado the title Professor 10th degree. Also at this time he was awarded a certificate by Grandmaster Ho Gau of Hong Kong appointing him as a advisor and representative of the Choy Li Fut system. This certificate was signed by Grandmaster Ho Gau, Professor Cheuk Tse, and the directors of the Hawaii Chinese Physical Culture Association. This was truly an accolade when one considers that the Hawaii Chinese Physical Culture Association was the first kung fu school outside of China."

[hskwarrior]

http://www.absolutemartialarts.net/id12.html

[hskwarrior]

The Only Real Non Chinese Student Lau Bun Truly Taught Went By The Last Name Of Kamaka.....peter Or Henry ..........something Like That. But He Was A Hawaiian Too.

[diego]

Hi Steeve and Diego.

I don't know of any direct connection between Lau Bun and Emperado. There are lots of connections between Island Kaju people and CLF.

Here's what I know. WARNING: this is going to get convoluted.

San Fransisco based White Crane master Quentin Fong spent a lot of time in Hawaii. In fact, he was just there last summer with Ming Lum. For about forty years he has been an advisor to some organizations of "Hawaiian Kenpo." Many of these Kenpo practitioners were former Kaju men. Fong learned Lau Bun's CLF from Ming Lum.

Cheuk Tse (White Crane, Hop Ga, CLF) moved to the islands in the '60s and opened a school as Harry Ng's representative. He taught at the same place (Hawaii Chinese Buddhist Assoc.) where the Chinese Physical Culture Association that Steeve mentioned had met for decades. The CPCA and Cheuk's Kung Fu Assoc. didn't mix but Emperado may have been influenced by both groups. Cheuk Tse taught Willy Chow's son for a time. During classes Chow Sr. used to pace around the parking lot outside. We used to joke that he was there to steal our training methods. Emperado and Cheuk Tse were close friends. It was Cheuk who arranged to have Emperado promoted to 10th degree professor rank by Cheuk's CLF master Ho Ngau. I emailed Emperado last year (through a senior Kaju student) to ask him whether he had incorporated any of Ho's CLF into Kajukenbo. He replied that he didn't really learn from Ho but was given the appointment as a representative at Cheuk's reccomendation for equivalent experience. Cheuk and Emperado shared a lot of info.

Hope this helps.

John


Thanks for posting John:).

Steeeve,my intuition is pointing towards Hawaii:cool:...Kaido got his Kaju directly from Emperado, Emperado went to Montreal to certify Kaido as 5'th degree black belt and my stepdad went out for dinner with him so Emperado would definatly remember Kaido. Did Kaido get his Kaju in Hawaii or San Francisco...I'm pretty sure my stepdad said kaido came to montreal from san fran... I'm guessing he got kaju in Hawaii and hop ga in SF...if this is correct...maybe he got some white crane from Emperado's Hawai peeps??...

[Steeeve]

Guys

Thats very interesting what you said

In Kajukenbo we have 4 branch ....first one is the Emperado method (kenpo ),the Chuan fa was created by Al Dacascos and De La Cruz putting more emphazize in the Bo of Kajukenbo... a lot of forms was add from northern sil lum style and southern.....but in fact the form was mostly add by What Dacascos learned when he came to USA leraning from Jack Man wong ,Paul Eng(Kam Yuen) and Buck sam kong....Dacascos created his own style call Wun hop kuen do later
WHKD is the third branch and its a evolotion of the chuan fa and the Tum pai branch add mor taiji .pakua more internal arts....

All the branch came from the emperado method...the Punch counter,grab counter ,club counter and knife counter in each branch are variations of the Emperado method Counter(punch,grab and so on)......Unique to the Emperado method is the Alphabet (advanced punch couter with some two men attack counter)
In the chuan fa ,Whkd and tum pai we have no more the Palama sets(forms) who are really kenpo karate form influenced by japanese art.In chuan fa and WHKD The form Ha kuen is a version of the 4 first palama sets put together...

Diego the last visited of Emperado in Montreal was in 1984...I have a video of the seminar With Prf Emperado....

Steeeve

[diego]

Why didn't Kaido have his ownline of chuan fa?...didn't wanna pay is what my stepdad thinks.


My stepdad Dimitrious "Jimmy The Greek" Marionapolous said kaido lost respect for dacasco after seeing him lose...kaido had a real respect problem.
I'm confused why when i watch hawaii seminars i look at all the black belt forms and only Emperado original style and Kaido's stuff jives me...i have tape of dudes with bellies slapping the air a hundered times onsome kenpo madness and then roy or philip pops up in the background and does the dragon dance to great applause.

No disrespect at all to Emperado, I think in his prime he'd **** me up, but it really makes no sence to me why Kaido has a chuan fa branch of kajukenbo which is special in the family tree, but it isn't there...:)

[diego]

Hey Steeeve can you upload video to youtube?...i was meditating on coach ross's gam gong set and was thinking man that is a intricate long set compared to the basic forms i've seen on the net....if you have it you should post in here the footage of Philip doing the Dragon dance when he wins the trophy...he is wearing red shirt and black pants. I think peeps would enjoy it and it would be good to have that form in this thread as it is one of the hardest forms to do properly in kaido's method.

Have you seen video of kaido doing full forms? is there even...

[Steeeve]

Diego

Yes I have all this footages....But I dont want to put it in you tube without the permission ...by respect:)

Steeve

[diego]

:)

I've seen a few people do the form...i even seen Philip do it on differant tapes but that one tournament demo, he does it precisely...soft and hard, smooth and crisp:)

I actually have this one tape where Phil shows a bunch of FMA, and he teaches the dragon dance for a good half hour...runs through the form a good ten times...haven't seen kaido do any of the forms, except when he runs through the second form in the park when he had peeps attack him.

[kaidokenbo]

This is a interesting sight... you guys seem to know alot about kaido, would be nice to hear some more. My Dad really was something wasnt he ;)

Cheers

[diego]

This is a interesting sight... you guys seem to know alot about kaido, would be nice to hear some more. My Dad really was something wasnt he ;)

Cheers

Nice try buddy...

[kaidokenbo]

Nice try what?? Wait you don't think im related LOOOOL

Thats pretty funny... why don't you call Grandmaster Phil and ask him or maybe John Lianos from Embrun... or ask Grandmaster Clarence Luna (Emperado). They all know who I am.. im the only one carrying on kajukenbo in my family I am the second oldest. My fathers first child was a gurl her name is Alexis then me (Mitchell) and b4 he was killed my younger brother Mark. I see you have compiled much about my dad and I want to say I appreciate it but don't be so quick to judge cause you don't know me, I know who I am. If you still have doubts feel free to contact me... Im just trying to dig up the past about my father I hope you understand.. there is much you know and much you don't its just nice to see interest in him cause its been over 13yrs hes been gone from my life.

Sincerly
Mitch

PS* PM me for my contacts if you wish to talk... my email is kaju_influenced@hotmail.com...BTW I already tried to contact you through yours.

[Steeeve]

Hello Mitch

Ur welcome to talk about ur Father....:)Alexander

Does I could ask you some questions?



GM Phil is the only one to represent Kajukenbo here in Canada ...Whatever the Emperado or Chuan fa branch......Do you train under GM Phil ?

Do you meet Clarence and Prof Ordonez at John school at Embrun,Ontario,Canada... 3 or 4 years ago?

John is a really nice person....I know him ....

sincerely

Steeve

[kaidokenbo]

Thanks Steve... I appreciate that :)
Im looking more to learn about his life as a martial artist, I already know a lot it is my father of-course but its always great to collect pics, mementos and to hear
more about how he lived his life as a martial artist an also a pioneer when it comes to Kajukenbo in Montreal/Canada. Im compiling everything I can about him for myself and the rest of my family as well as fellow martial artist who see him as an inspiration through stories told and so on.

CHEERS!

[kaidokenbo]

GM Phil has taken me under his supervision going on 7 yrs now... and yes I was in enbrun 3-4 yrs ago I actually attended a seminar with Uncle Frank in the summer of this year ;) I also attended the 60th anniversary in Las Vegas.

[Steeeve]

Well

Ur in good hands ....Gm Phil is one of the best Martial Artist in Canada...
I always see him like a Kajukenbo and Kali Player even if he teach a lot of others styles in the school

Now he Have a big school but I remember the course in Green Avenue andMcgill av and so on other place in STE Cath ....:D

KAJUKENBO FOREVER


Steeve

[kaidokenbo]

Yup thats true... Phil told me it was bcuz of what my dad told him when he retired from teaching that he picked up kali. My dad told him "Watch out for the old men with sticks" I guess he really took it to heart ;)

[diego]

GM Phil has taken me under his supervision going on 7 yrs now... and yes I was in enbrun 3-4 yrs ago I actually attended a seminar with Uncle Frank in the summer of this year ;) I also attended the 60th anniversary in Las Vegas.

lmao...I'm sorry I thought you were someone spamming my thread...many ****y people come to the kung fu forum and create alaises and talk trash about kung fu...lmao

[diego]

I'll send you an email tommorrow, in a hurry right now:).

[kaidokenbo]

Np Diego.. I actually found info about your threads years ago and tried to contact you but with no luck. Letme kno your plans on that tribute site im sure I can help you with it :)

BTW there is an underscore between kaju_influenced if you didnt notice ;)

CHEERS!!

"You Don't have to kick high, just kick him in the balls & when he bends over to puke...kick him in the head"

**Kaido Rip**

[diego]

Np Diego.. I actually found info about your threads years ago and tried to contact you but with no luck. Letme kno your plans on that tribute site im sure I can help you with it :)

BTW there is an underscore between kaju_influenced if you didnt notice ;)

CHEERS!!

"You Don't have to kick high, just kick him in the balls & when he bends over to puke...kick him in the head"

**Kaido Rip**


Cool:)...you gotta understand, I have access to many MMA schools in Vancouver, but Kaido's form moves me more than Muay Thai...the change ups from low to high...Kaido's form is much harder of a workout than kickboxing form:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdZq5EfYLRw

This is my boy denis kang, haven't seen him in years but we were best friends when we were thirteen...lived with him when my house burned down...he has a school in town, but I'm good just drilling your father's tech's...they could show me good sparring at a mma school but there form prolly ain't to good...so i get good and go spar with them. Yeah, I had no idea Kaido had a son:cool: Like I made this thread hoping a student of Roy Buchanan would post something cool about Kaido, then I find out he has a son...

My stepdad remembers seeing your sister at kaido's school when she was around three years old...whenever she would walk up to somebody she would always be like "HEY YOU!!" and point at them, I'm guessing mimicking your father.

I asked what Kaido did for work besides teach martial art, and was told he got a gig working as security at a department store. One day he saw a guy steal something so he ran up on him in true kaido legend fashion and wrestled with him a bit, flipped him over and roughed him up...The employers felt it was too intense and laid kaido off:confused::eek::D

He said Kadio had people always annoying him so he would be harsh to people, like one time kaido had this black friend that always told jokes and talked too much...my stepdad was with them at a club and the guy kept cutting kaido off when he was talking and kaido would keep slamming his palm hard against his friends chest too shut him up...two minutes later the guy would yap and Slam...shut up.

Kaido was always very nice to my stepdad when he was a teenager training at the school, he remembers the class going out to dinner with Emperado and his wife a few times, and he made good friends with emperado's wife at the dinner table...The school was word of mouth, his friend got him in the class...that's all i can remember right now...i'll pick his brain...i asked him if he could say one thing about kaido to his son what would it be...stupid ass said "never thought about it" :) but then he did say "kaido was always nice to me"...I'll try to get him to write a page or two on your father.
Peace

[kaidokenbo]

Thats awesome...thats my sis alright, its nice to hear some history from diff peeps point of view. Thats what im interested in.. collecting info and momentos from his life. I mean I have his original kajukenbo crest (With the fists forming the shape of a crane) from over 30 yrs ago I also have another magazine from 1975 one of the first ever written about kajukenbo featuring kaido, but when I saw the one you have about Hop Gar it tripped me out even more LOOL. Well now you know I exist so feel free to contact me anytime about anything.

Keep in touch

[diego]

Thats awesome...thats my sis alright, its nice to hear some history from diff peeps point of view. Thats what im interested in.. collecting info and momentos from his life. I mean I have his original kajukenbo crest (With the fists forming the shape of a crane) from over 30 yrs ago I also have another magazine from 1975 one of the first ever written about kajukenbo featuring kaido, but when I saw the one you have about Hop Gar it tripped me out even more LOOL. Well now you know I exist so feel free to contact me anytime about anything.

Keep in touch

My stepdad has a differant crest I beleive...will scan it soon. It would be cool to get your other article in this thread...maybe a student of roy or peter shuster have some infos:). Is it the one with your father in a side horse fighting stance with black pants and white coat made of silk?...my stepdad said he would love to get that picture and frame it as "it is KAIDO!!"...he has mentioned that pic a few times...pz

[kaidokenbo]

HEHE... no I dont think so... he's wearing all black, I think the one pic you may be referring to is when he received his 5th degree from emperado. I have that pic at home I got it from John in ottawa. Phil also has a couple of those pics too... :)

[Steeeve]

http://www.absolutemartialarts.net/id12.html

click on the Alexander Politain name



Steeve

[diego]

http://www.absolutemartialarts.net/id12.html

click on the Alexander Politain name



Steeve

Lol, I'm confused...I posted this link many moons ago...

[kaidokenbo]

Hes right ive seen it b4.... thnx anyways Steve :)

Im tired from training gona hit the sack

Ciao

[diego]

What is the style like? From your posts diego, it sounds just like Hop Gar to me. Do you practice Kajukenbo sets as well?

From what I've been shown, and I plan on you tubeing it before summer, Kaido uses lots of double tiger claws...cat stance to bow stance 2 claw, twist stance 2 claw and side slash kick to his knee with your rear leg...or you could go into left twist stance and right overhead face and right side kick his knee and then step into right bow stance and left claw.

When he kicks you use rotational footwork and jam his knee while tigers mouth to throat...tigers mouth to throat and then rake his eyes with the same hand and follow with a overhead...lots of stealsteps whipping backfists to groin and face, and then rotate 360 degrees into twist stance and overhead, uppercut or sow.

we use vertical, horizontal, overhead, backfist, raking chop(overhead), sow, hook(vertical and horizontal fist) using the long arm rotations of the side bow stance lama, hop gar and pak hok use as foundation.

Kicks: front, side, tiger tail, and round kick with ball of foot to groin all use rotational footwork...you don't lift your knee and snap front kick...your rear leg slides up to the lead foot and your body turns right so you get first a straight line and then a turning force which all folds into your right hip right before your right heel kicks him in the balls.

In boxing you go jab, cross, hook, uppercut, jab, jab, overhead,etc

we go jab, jab, jab, hook, backfist, elbow, backfist, uppercut, overhead, jab, overhead, backfist, jab,...straight, overhead, uppercut, hook, backfist, overhead, straight, uppercut. The flow teaches you to move fast with one hand, like you right straight, and then right back fist, and left over head...then left jab, cross, hook....finish him with straights, knock him on his butt and stomp him.

kick him in the groin right tiger tail and then right tornadoe his face as he bends over.

That's the general idea:)

[kaidokenbo]

lol ;P

Keep hitting him till he stops moving :) Always loved that concept

[diego]

lol ;P

Keep hitting him till he stops moving :) Always loved that concept

The fact that your father drops the guy in his first form and then stomp his face and drop low and palm chin...:) Thumbs up:cool:

[diego]

website crashed:)

[kaidokenbo]

Doesnt work :s

[diego]

HSKwarrior, this pic looks exactly like kaido's hop gar straight punch in side bow stance with the claw gaurding at ribs...what's the name of your technique?.

http://www.americanhsk.zoomshare.com/my_images/sigungaddiesifu2.jpg

[hskwarrior]

Well, Its What We Call Our Heart Punch.......chan Fam Calls It Fu Choy.

The Tiger Claw Here Is Used As Grab And Pull Into The Punch Type Method.

Its One Of Our Chop Choy's But Not In The Sense Of Chop Choy. Its A Hard Straight Out Strong Punch.

Its Found On My 7 Star Punching Drills On Youtube. Except When We Do Those Drills, We Tend To Do Two Directions At The Same Time. Other Times Its All Facing Foward.

[hskwarrior]

You Know Whats Funny, This Is The First Time I Looked At This Thread, And The Original Link Posted, And I Saw Things That We Do As Well.

The First Page After The Cover, We Do It Exactly The Same Way. Well, Except Out Fu Jow Reaches Straight Out Past His Head.

But, Yeah, I Saw Some Strong Similarties........and If Any Of This Came From David Chin.....well.........he Had Lots Of Contact With Lau Bun And His Students.

[diego]

You Know Whats Funny, This Is The First Time I Looked At This Thread, And The Original Link Posted, And I Saw Things That We Do As Well.

The First Page After The Cover, We Do It Exactly The Same Way. Well, Except Out Fu Jow Reaches Straight Out Past His Head.

But, Yeah, I Saw Some Strong Similarties........and If Any Of This Came From David Chin.....well.........he Had Lots Of Contact With Lau Bun And His Students.


As soon as that lopez guy started cutting himself i had to turn the video off, his eyes were too bugged out:)

I've been looking at your youtube page and I see many things similar in the way Kaido's combos are set up...you guys will right kick and then go into right horse and right leopard fist...kaido uses lama fist with the thumb on top...same rib gaurd with the claw...all the steal stance/twist stance switch ups are identical pretty much...I know Kaido knew karate, hop ga, kajukenbo, and he philipino so I'm guessing he would have picked things up like kali and arnis...

[diego]

http://www.kungfu5family.com/TigreNegroMx.wmv

I just found this video in the Ark Yuey Wong thread. The first half of the set looks a lot like Kaido's Dragon Dance....:)

[diego]

lol ;P

Keep hitting him till he stops moving :) Always loved that concept

Hey I just remembered something...my stepdad told me once he was at kaido's place or at a party with kaido and kaido was I think in a pigeon toe stance and he was doing all these short arm motions...he had the strobelight going with the music and my stepdad said it looked ill, like the power he was creating was intense...I'm thinking some sort of southern praying mantis or chi kung is what it may have been...it wasn't any crane my stepdad had seen...Does this description ring a bell?.

[Steeeve]

Diego

The form of Ng Ga kuen is a eclectic form.....Creation for tournment.....its not a GM Wong form......


Dragon dance of Kaido is different .....a version of the gung lik chuan and the tiger crane of hung gar at the beginning.....

Steeve

Happy New Years Bro

[diego]

Diego

The form of Ng Ga kuen is a eclectic form.....Creation for tournment.....its not a GM Wong form......


Dragon dance of Kaido is different .....a version of the gung lik chuan and the tiger crane of hung gar at the beginning.....

Steeve

Happy New Years Bro

Happy New years Steeve:)
What is the Gung Lik Chuan?.

[Steeeve]

Gung lik chuan is a basic forms of almost all Northern style.....Bak sil lum ,Northern mantis ,eagle claw style .....and so on

Steeve

[diego]

Gung lik chuan is a basic forms of almost all Northern style.....Bak sil lum ,Northern mantis ,eagle claw style .....and so on

Steeve

I know what you are talking about now, Yang Jwing Ming demoed a set in his Long Fist book I believe...:)

[diego]

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=hdnCjxg5ZLQ&feature=related

pt2

LOL "Back in hawaii the kiai wasn't hu hu hu...it was **** **** mother****er, you gave the guy his punishment"

repitition drills pt 1

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=c9axWGXOTV8&feature=related

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=hdnCjxg5ZLQ&feature=related

pt2

LOL "Back in hawaii the kiai wasn't hu hu hu...it was **** **** mother****er, you gave the guy his punishment"

repitition drills pt 1

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=c9axWGXOTV8&feature=related

Excellent clip, so what is the difference between the different branches of kajukenbo ?

[Steeeve]

Sanjuro

Kajukenbo is a system ....the core is the Emperado method or the hard style(Kenpo)......the chuan fa branch have al most the same Stuff but with some variations using more the BO (Chinese Boxing) and the forms are chinese
MA forms not the more japenese pinian or palama set of the emperado method.... The tum pai is the soft (adds Tai chi ,pa kua and hsing I) The Wun hop kuen do is the chuan fa branch but with more evolution....


Steeve

[sanjuro_ronin]

Sanjuro

Kajukenbo is a system ....the core is the Emperado method or the hard style(Kenpo)......the chuan fa branch have al most the same Stuff but with some variations using more the BO (Chinese Boxing) and the forms are chinese
MA forms not the more japenese pinian or palama set of the emperado method.... The tum pai is the soft (adds Tai chi ,pa kua and hsing I) The Wun hop kuen do is the chuan fa branch but with more evolution....


Steeve

Gottcha.
Thanks.

[Steeeve]

Sanjuro

I could give you more if you want....just ask :)

Just for start

Kajukenbo ...the Original Emperado method .....like a Hawaii style of kenpo ...

You have the basic Stance ,punch ,kick and so on ....the system is based in a groups of self defense ,,,,,the punch counters ,the grab ,the knife and club....since its a modern self defense system in 1947 incorporated the japenese Karate ,judo ,jiu jutsu ,the hawaii kenpo,filipino kali ,kung fu and american boxing...

in fact allthe punch counters are again boxing fighthers since we never saw a a punch done traditionnal with the chamber to the hip.....

The forms are the 14 palama sets....mostly influenced by the japenese Pinians but somer are more influenced by chinese.....

I forgot we have also the Alphabet advanced counter punch......


Chuan fa branch adds the kicking counters since thats was the TKD periods ....at this time

Kajukenbo is a system ....a eclectic MA ....If thats work hats kajukenbo...In facts
today every style want to have grappling stuff .....in kajukenbo we have it long time ago ....

Ka for karate or Kali(filipino MA).. Ju for Judo or Jujiutsu... ken for kenpo....Bo for boxing or chinese boxing

Do you want to know about the Chuan Fa??????? .....Al Dacascos and Al De La Cruz
are the founder of the Chuan fa Branch........

Forms came from Buck sam Wong ,Paul Eng (Kam Yuen).Wong Jack Men.......

more to come...maybe


Steeve

[冠木侍]

Steeeve knows his stuff.

Kajukenbo can be considered the original Mixed Martial Art. An ever evolving system, akin to Bruce Lee's philosophies. AKA...the art of dirty street fighting. :D

[sanjuro_ronin]

Sanjuro

I could give you more if you want....just ask :)

Just for start

Kajukenbo ...the Original Emperado method .....like a Hawaii style of kenpo ...

You have the basic Stance ,punch ,kick and so on ....the system is based in a groups of self defense ,,,,,the punch counters ,the grab ,the knife and club....since its a modern self defense system in 1947 incorporated the japenese Karate ,judo ,jiu jutsu ,the hawaii kenpo,filipino kali ,kung fu and american boxing...

in fact allthe punch counters are again boxing fighthers since we never saw a a punch done traditionnal with the chamber to the hip.....

The forms are the 14 palama sets....mostly influenced by the japenese Pinians but somer are more influenced by chinese.....

I forgot we have also the Alphabet advanced counter punch......


Chuan fa branch adds the kicking counters since thats was the TKD periods ....at this time

Kajukenbo is a system ....a eclectic MA ....If thats work hats kajukenbo...In facts
today every style want to have grappling stuff .....in kajukenbo we have it long time ago ....

Ka for karate or Kali(filipino MA).. Ju for Judo or Jujiutsu... ken for kenpo....Bo for boxing or chinese boxing

Do you want to know about the Chuan Fa??????? .....Al Dacascos and Al De La Cruz
are the founder of the Chuan fa Branch........

Forms came from Buck sam Wong ,Paul Eng (Kam Yuen).Wong Jack Men.......

more to come...maybe


Steeve

Thanks for the info, I did a few searches on youtube and some other sites too.
"Looks" like Kenpo more than anythign else, understandable since Kenpo gives a certain look to everything.
I noticed in the very few clips of ful contact fighting that it looked very little like it does when its being demoed, another thing it has in common with Kenpo.

I recall seeing Willam Chow's Kenpo and it looked very raw and powerful before it became a "slap art"...I think that Emperado's was the same....

[kaidokenbo]

Hey I just remembered something...my stepdad told me once he was at kaido's place or at a party with kaido and kaido was I think in a pigeon toe stance and he was doing all these short arm motions...he had the strobelight going with the music and my stepdad said it looked ill, like the power he was creating was intense...I'm thinking some sort of southern praying mantis or chi kung is what it may have been...it wasn't any crane my stepdad had seen...Does this description ring a bell?.

Well Diego my father did alot of things during his time and I was either not born lool or too young to know. He is an enigma to even his closest students like Roy & Phil bcuz he wouldnt tell anybody anything and the line between Fact or Fiction was quite distorted. Hes technique was ahead of his time and his ability to strike first and quickly was remarkable my family has told me many stories about him putting guys 4-5 times his size down with a single blow but again I didnt see myself so it still remains a "story".

[sanjuro_ronin]

4-5 times his size ???
:eek:

Dude...where are these mutants, we can use them in Iraq !

[kaidokenbo]

Thanks for the info, I did a few searches on youtube and some other sites too.
"Looks" like Kenpo more than anythign else, understandable since Kenpo gives a certain look to everything.
I noticed in the very few clips of ful contact fighting that it looked very little like it does when its being demoed, another thing it has in common with Kenpo.

I recall seeing Willam Chow's Kenpo and it looked very raw and powerful before it became a "slap art"...I think that Emperado's was the same....

Well thats just it...but the teacher is also a huge factor in learning and being able to apply realistic self defense in the street, good teacher means good students. In kajukenbo for example we focus on a "more" realistic approach to self defense. When repeating a drill or tech we strike the body for real, meaning if you learn not to hit properly or realistically then in a real situation you will react the same way. We condition the body to be able to take an immense amount of punishment so that when a student is repeating a tech on his training partner he his doing it for real(more or less). Now ofcourse the ideal way of training realistic self defense would be to take ur class downtown and start fights with gangs of people but legally these days that wouldnt be the most advisable way to go LOL.

[kaidokenbo]

4-5 times his size ???
:eek:

Dude...where are these mutants, we can use them in Iraq !

HAHAHA im sure lool

Well my dad was a small little filipino like 5'5 130lb haha so everybody was atleast 2 times his size and thats the average person >.<

[sanjuro_ronin]

HAHAHA im sure lool

Well my dad was a small little filipino like 5'5 130lb haha so everybody was atleast 2 times his size and thats the average person >.<

That sounds more doable.
Taking out a 260 lbs is one thing, but a 520...well, nothing is impossible...
Keith Hackney took out a 500+ sumo in UFC 2...

[kaidokenbo]

LOL your taking me too literally lool... you know what I mean :P

[sanjuro_ronin]

LOL your taking me too literally lool... you know what I mean :P

I know, but I just realized as I was typing that we have seen someone take out someone almost 4X their size...

So...

[kaidokenbo]

Ya your right :)

[Steeeve]

Sanjuro

Kajukenbo look a lot like Kenpo ....Yes the core is the Kenpo ....Emperado learned from William Chow....

But the slap arts of Kenpo came from Ed Parker :)....in Kajukenbo you have rapid sucession of strike ...but not like the Parker Kenpo ....
The chuan fa branch was very influenced by Northern and Southern style...mostly the northern....

Each kajukenbo school follow the roots but in the same time are different some used more the kenpo some more the CMA and adds more CMA to their chuan fa some now adds more jiujutsu or Filipino martial arts
Kajukenbo is a system in constant evolution ....

Steeve

[diego]

Thanks for adding another page to this thread yall:)...the thread has it's own evolution:)

Beutiful sunny day here in vancouver, gonna be sunny all week....been rainy for three months....really tempted to go to the park and do some kicks...

have a good one yall,
James

[Steeeve]

Here some old footage of Kajukenbo in the 1960

The original method (emperado) Kenpo

Some from beginner


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OsZ0XKtbG4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XcjefT_9-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYlEcIhSQuU

Here Prof Chow Kenpo

http://www.kajukenboinfo.com/professor_chow.aspx


Prof Chow kenpo was very simple not a lot of forms or techniques .....just one form Naihanchi shodan a okinawa form......and judo and jiujutsu from James Mitose...

Kajukenbo is the evolution of Chow kenpo :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

Here some old footage of Kajukenbo in the 1960

The original method (emperado) Kenpo

Some from beginner


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OsZ0XKtbG4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XcjefT_9-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYlEcIhSQuU

Here Prof Chow Kenpo

http://www.kajukenboinfo.com/professor_chow.aspx


Prof Chow kenpo was very simple not a lot of forms or techniques .....just one form Naihanchi shodan a okinawa form......and judo and jiujutsu from James Mitose...

Kajukenbo is the evolution of Chow kenpo :)

To be truthful, I have yet to see anyone doing those "flashy" kenpo moves in a full contact situation.
I know its wrong to compare anyone with Prof. Chow, he was in a leage all his own, the power was there AND the speed was there, you can see the body was in every strike he did, they were not "love taps".
I know there is a kajukenbo episode coming up in fight quest and I am really looking forward to that one.

[diego]

To be truthful, I have yet to see anyone doing those "flashy" kenpo moves in a full contact situation.
I know its wrong to compare anyone with Prof. Chow, he was in a leage all his own, the power was there AND the speed was there, you can see the body was in every strike he did, they were not "love taps".
I know there is a kajukenbo episode coming up in fight quest and I am really looking forward to that one.
if you look at almost any kajukenbo drill the key targets are the eyes and the groin, besides that you go for the chin/throat and solar plexus...most venues ban eye and groin strikes so that right there takes away from what is the spirit of kajukenbo....punches to the gut and elbow to the temple you see all the time in ring fighting...front kicks to the gut and snappy round kicks to the face you see in olympic tkd clips...

Anyone know what is slapping hands? I don't like it, and i've seen a lot of it...even in some of the kajukenbo home video i have they have some dudes not really in shape just beating up the air one hundered times...like front stance chop backfist chop punch....horse stance chop backfist chop....wheras you should be like frontstance back fist chop...horse stance punch....front stance chop backfist. i notice when they slapbox they don't use proper kiai...Mark Ho talks about that in the Hung Gar links Laukarbo interview. You can dance the kung fu or you can rehearse the kung fu for the sparring match...many dancers out there it seems:) I like what Emperado did with his line drills chopping up the idea of two man fighting sets into short drills blending kickboxing line drill footwork with judo throws and jujitsu locks...and I really like what Kaido did to that adding Hop Gar rotational power-feetplay and shooting fists.

[kaidokenbo]

if you look at almost any kajukenbo drill the key targets are the eyes and the groin, besides that you go for the chin/throat and solar plexus...most venues ban eye and groin strikes so that right there takes away from what is the spirit of kajukenbo....punches to the gut and elbow to the temple you see all the time in ring fighting...front kicks to the gut and snappy round kicks to the face you see in olympic tkd clips...

Thats just it.. thats why I mentioned previously we focus on training the body to take as much physical attacks as possible [You can read this in most kajukenbo articles about dealing out a great deal of body conditioning attacking everything except the face & groin]. This in essence gives the practitioner a "more" realistic approach to his or her self defense techniques for the simple reason of "when I hit this guy I can do it pretty much for real" not to mention the students no longer fear pain quoting emperados comment about classes "A workout isnt dont until there is blood on the floor" :P. Like Diego said in his reply it seems thats there is alot of dancers out there and I agree. We have to be able to understand the root of why we as students of the arts are doing it for, some for health others for competition. When it comes to self defense its not about flashy kicks or gold medals. In kajukenbo its about survival and thats why these men put together the kajukenbo system i mean just look at the times in hawaii post war... that tells you everything you would need to understand about the spirit of kajukenbo & why it was put together.

CHEERS!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Any clips of full contact kajukenbo?

[diego]

Thats just it.. thats why I mentioned previously we focus on training the body to take as much physical attacks as possible [You can read this in most kajukenbo articles about dealing out a great deal of body conditioning attacking everything except the face & groin]. This in essence gives the practitioner a "more" realistic approach to his or her self defense techniques for the simple reason of "when I hit this guy I can do it pretty much for real" not to mention the students no longer fear pain quoting emperados comment about classes "A workout isnt dont until there is blood on the floor" :P. Like Diego said in his reply it seems thats there is alot of dancers out there and I agree. We have to be able to understand the root of why we as students of the arts are doing it for, some for health others for competition. When it comes to self defense its not about flashy kicks or gold medals. In kajukenbo its about survival and thats why these men put together the kajukenbo system i mean just look at the times in hawaii post war... that tells you everything you would need to understand about the spirit of kajukenbo & why it was put together.

CHEERS!

:cool:

Finding the real kajukenbo is like finding the real kung fu nowadays...but even then...they say back in the days you had to be in the know to even find the good stuff anyway.

in the know= street tough and street affilliated...very hush hush...

then of course peeps had to pay the mortgage so the streets went to the strip malls of the suburbs...just dawned on me...is kajukenbo big in hawaii right now?...i would love to see some of their big streetdudes training!.

like beverly hills kickboxing and san quinten prison kickboxing is gonna look a lot differant in flavor even tho the basics are the same...

[sanjuro_ronin]

keep an eye out for this guys:

Fight Quest

KAJUKENBO
Location: Bay Area, Calif.
Masters: Charles Gaylord/Greg Harper
Features: Hands, feet, throws
Premiere: Feb. 28, 2008

[diego]

JDHowland pointed out Emperado had degrees of respect from the Choy Li Fut world...how much CLF is in Emperado's method?

What is Kajukenbo?

Brutal, deadly, overkill, street effective. These and many other such terms have been used to describe the martial art system known as kajukenbo.

Kajukenbo gained it's reputation for being brutally effective decades ago in the U.S. Territory of Hawaii. In the Hawaii of the 1940s the enemy was not the ancient battlefield soldier, it was the common street criminal. Instead of swords and spears he armed himself with knives, clubs, and guns. Even when unarmed he did not fight by any rules. He punched, kicked, gouged, bit, and stomped. If you encountered one of these brutal street fighters you were in for a life or death battle. Kajukenbo was designed to win such a battle.

Since then it's eclectic use of five martial arts and it's no-nonsense approach to self defense has contributed to it's rapid growth and strong reputation as an highly effective self defense system.

The Development of Kajukenbo

Kajukenbo is a prime example of American ingenuity. It is also America's first martial art system, having been founded in 1949 in the U.S. Territory of Hawaii. One of today's foremost instructors in kajukenbo is Gary Forbach from San Clemente, California. According to him, kajukenbo's inception came about in 1947 when five Hawaiian martial arts masters calling themselves the "Black Belt Society" started on a project to develop a comprehensive self defense system. These five men of vision were Peter Choo, the Hawaii welterweight boxing champion, and a Tang Soo Do black belt. Frank Ordonez, a Sekeino Jujitsu black belt. Joe Holck, a Kodokan Judo black belt. Clarence Chang, a master of Sil-lum Pai kung fu. And Adriano D. Emperado, a Kara-Ho Kenpo black belt and Escrima master.

Together these men trained for several hours a day taking advantage of each others strengths and weaknesses to develop their new art. When Joe Holck and Peter Choo would spar Holck could see his weaknesses in striking techniques, and Choo would realize his vulnerability once he was on the ground. Emperado was able to show Choo how a kenpo man could work inside a kicker with rapid fire hand techniques. Chang in turn, showed the others how the circular flowing techniques of Sil-lum Pai were used to evade and strike. And Frank Ordonez showed everyone how to go with an attackers force and then re-direct it against him with painful locks and throws.

After it was decided that kenpo would be the base to build on, it was a daily three year process incorporating the tang soo do kicks, jujitsu joint locks, judo throws, and sil-lum pai circular techniques into a complete system. Now all the system needed was a name. Joe Holck suggested that the name should be "Kajukenbo", ka for karate, ju for judo and jujitsu, ken for kenpo, and bo for Chinese boxing (kung fu).

Today kajukenbo is practiced all over the world. The principal organization for kajukenbo is the "Kajukenbo Self Defense Institute of Hawaii, Inc. based in San Diego, California.

Kajukenbo Techniques

Like most karate systems kajukenbo has katas or forms. These 14 katas are known as "Palama Sets" 1 through 14. ( These katas were formerly known as Pinans. Forbach explains that in February of 1993 Professor Adriano D. Emperado renamed the katas to show their origin, the Palama Settlement of Honolulu, Hawaii.) Like traditional systems, kajukenbo takes a number of it's self defense techniques from it's katas. Although the Palama sets provide the kajukenbo stylist with many good techniques, kajukenbo's strength lies in it's self defense techniques. These self defense techniques are arranged and categorized into 15 grab arts, 21 punch counters, 15 knife counters, 13 club counters, 9 two and three man attack counters, and 26 advanced alphabet techniques.

By combining techniques from tang soo do, judo, jujitsu, kenpo and kung fu, the kajukenbo stylist can defend himself in many ways. He can use soft circular kung fu techniques to evade and strike. Or he can use judo or jujitsu to throw an attacker to the ground or restrain and control him. Forbach feels that the strength of kajukenbo is in how these techniques are combined. For example, if the attacker punches, the kajukenbo stylist may step into the attack at a 45 degree angle while blocking with a soft palm block. He would then counter attack with several rapid fire kenpo hand strikes followed by a judo foot sweep. Once on the ground the attacker could be struck again or controlled with a jujitsu lock. Unlike most traditional systems, kajukenbo relies heavily on combination techniques. These combination techniques are arranged so that each technique will set up the next by following the reaction of the attacker's body. Although some martial artists may describe this as overkill, Forbach feels that an attacker may not be stopped by one strongly focused blow. Therefore the theory behind kajukenbo is that it is better to counter with a multitude of techniques that can be ended when the threat no longer exists, than to rely on one technique and find that it is not enough.

Kajukenbo Training

Even the best designed self defense system is of little value if the training and instruction is weak. The brutality of the kajukenbo workouts in the early years was legendary. Broken noses, bruised ribs, and black eyes were a everyday occurrence in the early kajukenbo schools. Professor Emperado had a motto, "The workout isn't over until I see blood on the floor". His felt strongly that if someone was afraid of pain, they would be defeated the first time they were hit. He also felt that his students had to get used to pain and learn how to give it back. This enabled them to find out which techniques worked and which didn't. Because of these realistic workouts numerous martial artists from other systems undertook kajukenbo training. Some stayed and some returned to their own systems, but all who had witnessed kajukenbo were impressed. Some of today's kajukenbo schools have had to alter their training somewhat due to the times. In the early days very few if any women or children trained. Also nobody worried about lawsuits or liability insurance.

In discussing modern day training Forbach explained that he still conducts full contact training, but the students are gradually eased into it, and it's not an absolute requirement. "I don't want to lose people, but yet, at the same time, I don't want to lose the essence of the art. I try to work a little bit slower than they did in the old days. I don't want anyone getting injured, but I want them to get as close as they can to reality in their training, without injuries. Of course we now use protective gear and contact to the face and vital areas has been eliminated".

When asked about the brutal reputation that kajukenbo has acquired over the years Forbach had this to say. "Kajukenbo is designed to defend against many types of attacks. I don't teach my students to be violent, but I also don't teach them to turn the other cheek. My students have the utmost respect for their fellow man, but they are prepared to protect themselves completely if the need arises. In other words, It's better to know how, and not have to; than to have to, and not know how."

[sanjuro_ronin]

Speaking of Forbach.

If one was to geta kajukenbo video set, which would be the better one?

http://kajukenboinfo.com/kajukenbo_products.aspx

http://www.kajukenbo.org/stuff/videos.html

http://www.budovideos.com/shop/customer/search.php?substring=kajukenbo

[diego]

Any clips of full contact kajukenbo?



YEAH IT'S CALLED UFC:)

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pGBwxCPVvRM&feature=related

^slap boxing

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0yBue68Ilyw&feature=related

^light contact repitition training...sparring is sparring no one does shots to the throat groin and eyes...like you don't do that to your friend. The old school systems used two man sets to practise lethal techniques...Emperado used short two man repitition drills to teach the one punch kill fighter of the old school to flow like a kick boxer, which is genius...especially when you lack at the history of western martial arts...it's all point fighting until the ufc popped up.

the closest you gonna get to full contact fighting with kajukenbo in it is find some of Philip "Sled Dog" Gelinas' dog brother fights as he does full contact training and is a master of kajukenbo system which is the base for his fight skills.
When you spar you spar with rules and limitations...any kajukenbo fighter fighting now is gonna look like a ufc fighter...kick kick, punch punch, clinch knee elbow throw/sweep, roll lock...punch punch:)

karate guys didn't have that outlook in the 80's...not until ufc popped up...kaido was teaching those tactics in montreal in the 70's...:)

his hop gar is lethal like muay thai...the kajukenbo has japanese jujitsu...kajukenbo ground game wasn't brazilian jujitsu but they had more than the average traditional martial artists until the 90's.

[diego]

Speaking of Forbach.

If one was to geta kajukenbo video set, which would be the better one?

http://kajukenboinfo.com/kajukenbo_products.aspx


I'm pretty sure this 6 dvd set is the most recent release from their camp...i have a few of his tapes..him and Abad are some of the better sifu I have seen...Kaido's style looks better tho:)


ah ****, there he goes...

[sanjuro_ronin]

I'm pretty sure this 6 dvd set is the most recent release from their camp...i have a few of his tapes..him and Abad are some of the better sifu I have seen...Kaido's style looks better tho:)


ah ****, there he goes...

How so?
The power generation thing you mentioned ?

[jdhowland]

JDHowland pointed out Emperado had degrees of respect from the Choy Li Fut world...how much CLF is in Emperado's method?



Kajukenbo is ... also America's first martial art system, having been founded in 1949 in the U.S. Territory of Hawaii.
"

Emperado claimed he learned no CLF from Ho Ngau but I would be surprised if he didn't learn some from his buddy (and Ho's representative in America) Tse Cheuk Tong. This would have been in the early 1970s, long after Kajukenbo was promoted to the world. He must have known of Lau Bun's lineage and may have had connections there, as well.

James, is the second quote from Forbach?
I would have to disagree and say that America's first eclectic and complete martial art system was Seishiro Okazaki's Danzan Ryu from the 1920s.

Be well.

JD

[diego]

This is the only history of Kaido I have...and it's in french...I haven't done french since elementary school:) Have you heard of a W.C. Wong out of San Francisco?.

"Voyons maintenant les antecedents de Kaido. Celui-ci est ne le juillet 1948 aux Philippines. A 13 ans il commence son entrainment, a 20 ans il s'etait deja entraine avec les meilleurs instructeurs sur deux continents.
Bein que le KaJuKenBo soit sa specialite, il a egalement etudie le "White Crane Kung Fu" avec le maitre Harry Ng. Ming et les techniques de la "mante religieuse" (kung fu) avec Sifu W.C. Wong a San Francisco. Tout en etant un adepte du "style lent" chinois, Kaido etudia egalement le karate burokukai sous la direction de Richard Kim de San Francisco et le Shorin Ryu avec Latino Gonzalez aux Philippines. C'est du professeur Adriano qu'il recut les enseignements du KajuKenbo en Hawaii."

Kaido receiving 5'th dan in KajuKenbo from Emperado in the mid 70's I beleive.

http://www.geocities.com/tibetankungfu/kaito_emperado.html

i never got this translated yet but....this is from a magazine titled Karate Kebec i'll scan it soon.

it says praying mantis from wc wong...wc wong is the hung gar guy but i'm wondering could it be T.Y. Wong?

i saw this pic before and it looks like something kaido would do in his dragon dance...buddy taught in san francisco...http://kinmon.org/index.html

[diego]

How so?
The power generation thing you mentioned ?

it's a kung fu forum...so kaido's looks better

kaido was very gracefull:) forbach is blunt...ali is grace, tyson blunt

a knockout is a knockout:)

JDHowland, yep that was Forbach's quote.

[kaidokenbo]

This thread gets more and more interesting :)

[Steeeve]

Train Strong to remain Strong........Hard in training ,Easy in the Street...

In Fact Kajukenbo have nothing to do with CLF or CMA method of training...First Forms is just a supplemental training and just a few 13 is the number(whatever is the Kenpo Branch or the Chuanfa)......No Weapon Forms just Filipino Kali training...... a finger claw is a finger claw ...whatever you call it tiger claw...if I grab your throat ....Whaterver you call thaT eagle claw....if I finger jab your throat or eyes whatever I call that Biu Jee,Snake hands .........

THe DVD of Forbach are just beginning stuff .....thats the real counters of the emperado method ....but no Adlib.....in the counters.......

Also thats the GM Aleju Reyes Branch......

GM Gaylord is a Chuan fa players....Him and Sifu Dacascos founded the IKA something like that.... long time ago ....the core is the Emperado method wioth the flavour of chuan fa....but thats no more exist ......But the Gaylord Method
is this long time ago:)


Steeve

[diego]

Train Strong to remain Strong........Hard in training ,Easy in the Street...

In Fact Kajukenbo have nothing to do with CLF or CMA method of training...First Forms is just a supplemental training and just a few 13 is the number(whatever is the Kenpo Branch or the Chuanfa)......No Weapon Forms just Filipino Kali training...... a finger claw is a finger claw ...whatever you call it tiger claw...if I grab your throat ....Whaterver you call thaT eagle claw....if I finger jab your throat or eyes whatever I call that Biu Jee,Snake hands .........

THe DVD of Forbach are just beginning stuff .....thats the real counters of the emperado method ....but no Adlib.....in the counters.......

Also thats the GM Aleju Reyes Branch......

GM Gaylord is a Chuan fa players....Him and Sifu Dacascos founded the IKA something like that.... long time ago ....the core is the Emperado method wioth the flavour of chuan fa....but thats no more exist ......But the Gaylord Method
is this long time ago:)


Steeve
In peter's notes it says Kaido was the canadian rep of Kajukenbo starting in 1969...Roy is on that webpage as being his black belt in 73...I'm guessing he started in 69. All my step dad can tell me is Kaido got the hop gar from Harry Ming and all kaido taught was his version of kajukenbo for the three to four years he studied with Kaido and got his green or brown belt...I think he left before the brown belt. Kaido taught him the first three sets...i never learned the hakune kajukenbo beginner set . The first set:

ELBOW SMASH DOWN VERT FIST CLAW ELBOW BACKFIST GROIN AND FACE...SIDESTEP PALM BRUSH TWO PUNCH RIB GRAB SHOULDER ROUNDKICK GROIN CHOP BACK OF NECK IN SIDEBOW...WRIST BLOCK OUT/KNIFE HAND DEFLECT IN VS JAB-CROSS GRAB AND TIGER CLAW TO FACE SINK IN HORSE...ETC

Second set is repeat of that set with adlibs....the third set:

CAT STANCE PALM BRUSH VERT FIST GUT KICK GROIN SPEAR NECK...PIVOT OVERHAND GAURD AND CHOP NECK...PIVOT OUTWARD GAURD PUNCH CHEST IN CAT STEP TO BOW AND PUNCH FACE...FALL BACK TO CAT TWO HAND DEFLECT SPEAR SOLAR PLEXUS STEP TO BOW SPEAR THROAT OR EYES...TWIST STEP ELBOW GRAB AND ELBOW UPCUT TO ELBOW AND REPEAT AND UNWIND TO HORSE AND TIGER CLAW FACE....

then someone else showed him most of the dragon dance, kaido helped him learn that one...but everything else when it comes to forms came from roy philip and peter etc.

So, Ng Yim Ming was killed around 72 and i read something about some peeps claim differant dates of how long Ming taught in America...so my brainstorm tells me

Ming had students in hawai repping Hop Gar so that is a link to kaido in some form....

it's very odd that ming was shot and kaido was shot and no one knows any history...where I come from that tells me people aren't suppossed to know the story or it would be on the news:) RIP

Tony Galvin on the lionsroar webpage said kaido got San Sau drills from ming and it was mentioned kaido didn't teach any actual hopgar forms...so that is a link and some sort of verification...someone needs to contact Galvin stat and find out details...

:)

i'm into this cuz i been investigating the history since 98....


what else; for some reason kaido retired around 1980 right after my stepdad moved to vancouver...David Chin has no idea why Kaido is in the same article as him which is linked on the first page...but tony galvin knows about kaido

mings main gm chin doesn't know why kaido shares an article but the whiteboy galvin knows kaido studied san sau...

smells so foolish and it gives me a headache....

yeah, someone needs to contact Tony Galvin...One reason i made this thread was hoping some kung fu guy would be like hey that's what i do, but he got a differant name and order of moves...like the guy who gave kaido hop gar taught another guy who made a system of capwera-hop ga orsome****.....

[kaidokenbo]

In peter's notes it says Kaido was the canadian rep of Kajukenbo starting in 1969...Roy is on that webpage as being his black belt in 73...I'm guessing he started in 69. All my step dad can tell me is Kaido got the hop gar from Harry Ming and all kaido taught was his version of kajukenbo for the three to four years he studied with Kaido and got his green or brown belt...I think he left before the brown belt. Kaido taught him the first three sets...i never learned the hakune kajukenbo beginner set . The first set:

ELBOW SMASH DOWN VERT FIST CLAW ELBOW BACKFIST GROIN AND FACE...SIDESTEP PALM BRUSH TWO PUNCH RIB GRAB SHOULDER ROUNDKICK GROIN CHOP BACK OF NECK IN SIDEBOW...WRIST BLOCK OUT/KNIFE HAND DEFLECT IN VS JAB-CROSS GRAB AND TIGER CLAW TO FACE SINK IN HORSE...ETC

Second set is repeat of that set with adlibs....the third set:

CAT STANCE PALM BRUSH VERT FIST GUT KICK GROIN SPEAR NECK...PIVOT OVERHAND GAURD AND CHOP NECK...PIVOT OUTWARD GAURD PUNCH CHEST IN CAT STEP TO BOW AND PUNCH FACE...FALL BACK TO CAT TWO HAND DEFLECT SPEAR SOLAR PLEXUS STEP TO BOW SPEAR THROAT OR EYES...TWIST STEP ELBOW GRAB AND ELBOW UPCUT TO ELBOW AND REPEAT AND UNWIND TO HORSE AND TIGER CLAW FACE....

Do you mean the Hau Kuen = Hard Monkey Form?

The Sets that you are trying to describe are actually the first to third of my fathers kajukenbo forms. GM Phil is too my knowledge the only on passing this on being 1 of a very few (Less than you can count on one hand) of my dads blackbelts.(There are almost 10 forms) As far as his true past... that will continue to remain a mystery ;)

[diego]

Do you mean the Hau Kuen = Hard Monkey Form?

The Sets that you are trying to describe are actually the first to third of my fathers kajukenbo forms. GM Phil is too my knowledge the only on passing this on being 1 of a very few (Less than you can count on one hand) of my dads blackbelts.(There are almost 10 forms) As far as his true past... that will continue to remain a mystery ;)
Steeeve told me about the hau-kune years ago I beleive...isn't it basic kajukenbo set?. Here's Black belt test notes to Buchanan - Gutkowski kaido style...I think peter used roy's notes....another thing in all the papers when they say hook hand they call it mantis hand...shouldn't it be crane hand?...and the heel down toe up stance they call mantis stance...

BLACK BELT TEST

HISTORY / PHILOSOPHY

TEACHING ABILITY

FIGHTING / SPARRING

TECHNIQUES:

5 GRAPPLING
5 TAKE-DOWNS
5 KNIFE COUNTERS
5 CLUB COUNTERS
21 K.K. H.S. ?:)
23 SOFT STYLE PUNCH COUNTERS (I have the notes for these 23)
ESPECIALLY AGAINST LEFT HAND PUNCH...5 SOFT LEFT HAND...5 SOFT RIGHT HAND ...5 H.S.VARIOUS?...CLOUD HAND ETC...TAP, HIT HEART...3 PT AND SWEEP...AROUND HAND AND DOWN...KICK COMBOS

KATAS:
HAU-KUEN
FIRST
SECOND
THIRD
FOURTH
DRAGON
FIFTH

MISC:
STANCES
KICKING TECHNIQUES
CRANE STRIKES
BREATHING EXERCISES

[diego]

Do you mean the Hau Kuen = Hard Monkey Form?

The Sets that you are trying to describe are actually the first to third of my fathers kajukenbo forms. GM Phil is too my knowledge the only on passing this on being 1 of a very few (Less than you can count on one hand) of my dads blackbelts.(There are almost 10 forms) As far as his true past... that will continue to remain a mystery ;)

Do you know if roy and peter have any students?...peter visited for a week in 96 i beleive and showed my stepdad the sixth set on tape and i got to be the dummy for all the applications he demonstrated.:)

my steodad's main contact through the montreal students was through mike boyle who my stepdad had a falling out with...after all that my stepdad was into getting serious with it but peter wasn't to serious when he came out here and once he found out no one is really doing anything with it he just quit....only practises the sets now for exercise:(

sucks for me cuz i been hooked on the crane punches since the first time i tried one on a bag...kinda broke to visit montreal so the mystery continues:D

It's interesting doing all this sherlock work while iI get good at my basics...my intuition tells me to keep training something interesting will manifest out of the story...I mean **** I didn't pay a dime for your fathers methods...fought my stepdad quite a few times though...so there is a definite mental commitment to the style...lol, oncee my stepdad told me when i asked him to show me the breathing exercises imore in depth...he all alright....just don't use the hop ga on me...lol like my boxing technique is okay. orsomething?!..

It's a fun search...JD Howland after like 7 years of me being on this forum asking around about kaido sent me the article...then you pop up off the article...i need to talk to the old person that was in the room when kaido first studied a crane punch!!! ******
peace

[diego]

when did kaido first train Kajukenbo and was it in san francisco or hawaii?...i'm pretty sure my stepdad told me kaido came to montreal from SF...

[kaidokenbo]

Steeeve told me about the hau-kune years ago I beleive...isn't it basic kajukenbo set?. Here's Black belt test notes to Buchanan - Gutkowski kaido style...I think peter used roy's notes....another thing in all the papers when they say hook hand they call it mantis hand...shouldn't it be crane hand?...and the heel down toe up stance they call mantis stance...

BLACK BELT TEST

HISTORY / PHILOSOPHY

TEACHING ABILITY

FIGHTING / SPARRING

TECHNIQUES:

5 GRAPPLING
5 TAKE-DOWNS
5 KNIFE COUNTERS
5 CLUB COUNTERS
21 K.K. H.S. ?:)
23 SOFT STYLE PUNCH COUNTERS (I have the notes for these 23)
ESPECIALLY AGAINST LEFT HAND PUNCH...5 SOFT LEFT HAND...5 SOFT RIGHT HAND ...5 H.S.VARIOUS?...CLOUD HAND ETC...TAP, HIT HEART...3 PT AND SWEEP...AROUND HAND AND DOWN...KICK COMBOS

KATAS:
HAU-KUEN
FIRST
SECOND
THIRD
FOURTH
DRAGON
FIFTH

MISC:
STANCES
KICKING TECHNIQUES
CRANE STRIKES
BREATHING EXERCISES

Well its hard to tell between my fathers teachings and the emperado method however I can still name the ones I know...

Kaido
First,Second,Third,Fourth,Fifth,Sixth,Seventh(Lost Form) Eighth, Dragon Dance

Hau Kuen (Hard Monkey) Emperado Method

[kaidokenbo]

Yes your step dad is right he did come to montreal from California.

[diego]

Well its hard to tell between my fathers teachings and the emperado method however I can still name the ones I know...

Kaido
First,Second,Third,Fourth,Fifth,Sixth,Seventh(Lost Form) Eighth, Dragon Dance

Hau Kuen (Hard Monkey) Emperado Method
seventh lost form...meaning it's gone no one has it or?:)

[kaidokenbo]

GM Phil knows a couple of movements... but doesnt remember how it goes and the only other person that might remember is Roy but its highly unlikely thus prolly lost :s

[diego]

GM Phil knows a couple of movements... but doesnt remember how it goes and the only other person that might remember is Roy but its highly unlikely thus prolly lost :s

hm...after the dragon dance you have the fiffth and sixth set

cat stance do wing arm motion and left front kick and left chop and right inside crescent...spin to horse and rotate to cat and two palm block and turn to cat and double block...left twist step and right back fist and right slash kick and right tornado...etc

the other one is: do cat stance wing arm thing and right twist step and right crown gaurd and left invert palm to solar plexu, rotate to right horse and vert fist face...right step back to right lean bow stance and left palm deflect kick, switch to left bow and right spear throat right kick groin step to right horse and backfist groin and claw face...pivot to cat and right palm block and left grab head and step to right horse right backfist head...pivot to cat and do cloudhands step to bow and two claw and do on other side...etc:)

then you got the soft hard set starts slow then speeds up...

then you got the seventh and eigth

one start cats stance hook hand and vert fist to chest...step to horse and claw groin...rotate to heel down toe up stance and punch solar plexus...then he does some tornado kicks...spin around and right outward block and right kick gut...step to bow palm head, turn to rear bow and palm groin...repeat but back hand face and groin...toe up stance and outblock and beack hand to face rotate to othe rside and downward block and beak face:)...,twist stance backfistgroin and face...etc

the other one: twist step hook hand slash kick...spin and jump front kick...turn to other side and hook han grab and wrist to chin and kick to gut...step to horse vert punch face...does some weird hand thing into left backsweep come up in left bow and two claw...etc

another set: outgrab twist step slash kick...turn to rear bow stance and chamber...step to bow and two claw...turn around do some armwaing thing and then looks like some cat stance tseps and hook hands...tornado kick into some low slash kick into low sweep kicks...?

Philip shows a sword and a staff set...and i'm gonna go check if there is another one:)

[diego]

yeah so that is all the sets in the grainy ass 8mm video GM Gelinas filmed in the park around 79-81...said he just ran through it to show to a freind and someone stole the tape:D...lucky for me, he does the forms at a slow pace so I can see what's going on.

The 7'th set isn't one of these?

[diego]

Well its hard to tell between my fathers teachings and the emperado method however I can still name the ones I know...

Kaido
First,Second,Third,Fourth,Fifth,Sixth,Seventh(Lost Form) Eighth, Dragon Dance

Hau Kuen (Hard Monkey) Emperado Method

what i know about hop gar...they use full body...total commitment. so when we go back fist to groin with right and left claw to face both in horse, that's kajukenbo.

when we go right cross step and right forearm deflect his right front kick in right bow stance with your back facing him, hop gar...spin into left catstance and left back elbow ribs., that's hop gar...then you left backfist groin and face...that's kajukenbp, but if you add some bounce to your cat stance...go low for groin shot and really raise up into him for the left backfist to face, that's white crane opens wings..then your right foot twists in to left and you pivot into left side bow stance and right palm chest, hop gar...shuffle to right side bow and left sow to head, hop gar.:)

[diego]

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Un8sBBdTWt8&NR=1

this is sweet...if you get all the masters clips on youtube you can get a solid four to five hours of CLF footage...I don't know about yall but the body structure in these applications is very much cousin to Kaido method....:)

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Un8sBBdTWt8&NR=1

this is sweet...if you get all the masters clips on youtube you can get a solid four to five hours of CLF footage...I don't know about yall but the body structure in these applications is very much cousin to Kaido method....:)

Never been a big fan of the "LONG ARM" stuff, but I like the speed...and the 3 stooges part, LOL

[kaidokenbo]

Interesting and on the video with GM Phil in the park he doesnt demo the 7th form. Nice Vid guys balance seems abit off... I actually did CLF for 5 yrs with Sergio Arione (Winner of the Ben Lo Cup & awarded best Tai Chi Instructor in Canada) and the Great Chen Yong Fa (5th generation direct descendant of founder Chan Heung & considered present day Jerng mun yun *Keeper of the style*)

Video
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=lgyrxHDEzbk&feature=related

Info
http://www.choyleefut.com.au/sifu.asp

[diego]

Never been a big fan of the "LONG ARM" stuff, but I like the speed...and the 3 stooges part, LOL

how come you ain't dig the long arm?:)

[diego]

Interesting and on the video with GM Phil in the park he doesnt demo the 7th form. Nice Vid guys balance seems abit off... I actually did CLF for 5 yrs with Sergio Arione (Winner of the Ben Lo Cup & awarded best Tai Chi Instructor in Canada) and the Great Chen Yong Fa (5th generation direct descendant of founder Chan Heung & considered present day Jerng mun yun *Keeper of the style*)

Video
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=lgyrxHDEzbk&feature=related

Info
http://www.choyleefut.com.au/sifu.asp
the style has two hundered forms...your father had ten...how do they teach two hundered?.

[sanjuro_ronin]

how come you ain't dig the long arm?:)

I have short stubby arms !
Sure they're 16" arms, but they are still stubby :D

I am an infighter, always have been, and I lie things tight and close in, especially my hooks.
I know that many long arm systems become short, like Lionsroar for example, but I don't see that much in CLF...

[diego]

I have short stubby arms !
Sure they're 16" arms, but they are still stubby :D

I am an infighter, always have been, and I lie things tight and close in, especially my hooks.
I know that many long arm systems become short, like Lionsroar for example, but I don't see that much in CLF...
lol i was gonna type this
how come you ain't dig the long arm? short stubby arms orsomething:)

i thought it would be rude:D

**** i love being tall....kills your back doing construction though...

[Steeeve]

HeyGuy I have to read all your post here:) before response

Ha kuen is the first 4 palama set of the original or empeado method done in the Chuan fa way .....GM Dacascos call it Ha kuen .....

Before learn that form you have to learned the first and second form of Kaido (tharts a two men set) in the Montreal Curriculum

In fact the Hakuen was add in Montreal cause the late Sifu Endrizzi one of the senior of Dacascos teached in trois riviere ,Quebec....for some years before go back to Portland,Oregon......and Sifu Dacascos give seminar at Montreal...I have the video:)

The chuan fa add the hands combination (10 sets) the kicking combination (10 set )plus you have the the defense again kick....and some chinna techniques

the chuan fa branch have a red book ....I have it ...

Steeve

[Steeeve]

OK in the west Island of Montreal ....

I actually did CLF for 5 yrs with Sergio Arione (Winner of the Ben Lo Cup & awarded best Tai Chi Instructor in Canada)

He teach mostly taichi ....not a lot of CLF

Steeve

[kaidokenbo]

Ya thats true... but when I was there he was very much into CLF me and my friend trained with his teacher of CLF who was C.Y.F. This goes back atleast 11 yrs however :P

[Steeeve]

Kaido son


Why You trained Clf ?and dont go to train in Phillip school ? at the beginning?

ur Filipino .....Whats about the filipino MA?

Steeve

[kaidokenbo]

Steve

To answer your question... after my father was killed I kinda gave up on martial arts for a couple yrs. I suddenly had a realization that martial arts is what I love and I couldnt stop, now not remembering much about my father I didnt know too much about what he did and so on.( I lived with my mom my whole life) I sought out a martial art school and came across the tai chi center where CLF was being taught. After may years of training CLF and abit of Qigong I had a sudden urge to find out more about my fathers art. My mom told me of 2 ppl Roy and Phil.. so after about 5 mins of searchin on the net I found phils school in late 2000. Ive been there ever since ;)

As far as filipino MA.. thats in the making prolly gona train some pekiti tirsia at the school but i mean Kajukenbo has alot of filipino MA in it in the first place

CHEERS

[冠木侍]

That is you on kajukenbo cafe?

[diego]

I'm like a cave man discovering fire, lol...this snapshot movie edit feature is dope....DOPE IN ICE:D

[http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.8r7l8x2f&Uy=-kr2a6s&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp&#37;3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0

[diego]

kaido 2

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.418ynu1z&Uy=-9hcx7u&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0

[diego]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZhqmE89Tmk

Three minute short video of Kaido at a Montreal demo they did back in the 70's...Peter Schuster has the long blond hair, Roy Buchanan has the long dark hair warpped up, and you see a young Philip "Sled Dog" Gelinas with the dark curly hair.

[diego]

kaido 3


http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.249fx02v&Uy=-cppi45&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0

[diego]

kaido4
http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.61ga7tt3&Uy=j9siot&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0

[diego]

Peter Schuster - Chune Choi Jpegs

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.5r5rihxj&Uy=9qpzd&Ux=0

I'm not going to post video of any of Kaido's students...but I can take mad pic's:)

[diego]

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.71592buv&Uy=-o534i5&Ux=0

Peter showing hook punch

[diego]

Overhead and punch

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.8ekff347&Uy=-mbhdcb&Ux=0

[diego]

Groin Punch

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.8rec7x1j&Uy=-gxdiov&Ux=0

[diego]

Dropdowns

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.b51jtton&Uy=4uhjqy&Ux=0

[diego]

Wing Spreads

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.ber6mton&Uy=-cofj4d&Ux=0

[diego]

Double Overheads

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.5tw6l2x3&Uy=-gt9cq9&Ux=0

[Steeeve]

Nice Video James :)

The same I have


Yes for Kajukenbo cafe

Steeve

[diego]

Nice Video James :)

The same I have


Yes for Kajukenbo cafe

Steeve

You don't have the Peter video;):D I got about a half hour of footage when he visited around 96. once I get it online I'll email it to you...How do I convert 1 gb dvd-vob files to youtube?...

I was lucky the kaido vid I linked was only 230 mb, youtube accepts 1000 mb.

[diego]

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.ckev82nb&Uy=-j64wux&Ux=0

Phil Taiji:)

[diego]

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.7zgi7tgn&Uy=-o4etn9&Ux=0

slash-sweeps

[diego]

Phil spin 1

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.6u5w15k7&Uy=-qawu39&Ux=0

[diego]

You know what I love about Kaido's kajukenbo...there are many fat guys out there that steal martial arts to turn a profit...there is no way a fat person can do the slash sweeps properly. You have to be an athlete to perform Kaido's forms with proper chi:)...that right there is your number one fight skill...oxygen.

[diego]

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.6purf78n&Uy=-f8raat&Ux=0

DRAGON DANCE TORNADO KICK

[diego]

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.amv64enb&Uy=-uqndg8&Ux=0

Kaido vs Phil

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.bg6gy5rb&Uy=5beq6f&Ux=0

Kaido vs Roy

[diego]

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.9n4l8547&Uy=-te2xr6&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp&#37;3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0

JR Overhead & Punch...anyone know who the instructor be?.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.6ozlz46f&Uy=e879wa&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0

Phil Hop Ga stills

[diego]

Kaido vs SHAFT lmao...some of the outfits in these pic's look straight out of a dope Run Run Shaw flick, werd:D

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.caqd54fb&Uy=-uqkdjt&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0

[Drake]

You know what I love about Kaido's kajukenbo...there are many fat guys out there that steal martial arts to turn a profit...there is no way a fat person can do the slash sweeps properly. You have to be an athlete to perform Kaido's forms with proper chi:)...that right there is your number one fight skill...oxygen.

I'm not planning of jumping the GM DFW ship anytime soon, but I think this may be applicable for many styles. What about a big guy (myself)? I'm in very good shape, terrific cardio and running ability, but I'm also very built. I have a LOT of muscle mass (I've been body fat tested and am good), and I wonder if this will slow me down or make gung fu difficult. I'm 72" and 200lbs. Threadjacking complete!

[diego]

I'm not planning of jumping the GM DFW ship anytime soon, but I think this may be applicable for many styles. What about a big guy (myself)? I'm in very good shape, terrific cardio and running ability, but I'm also very built. I have a LOT of muscle mass (I've been body fat tested and am good), and I wonder if this will slow me down or make gung fu difficult. I'm 72" and 200lbs. Threadjacking complete!

You mean that drill or the whole method of low twisting , rotating and spinning?...wing chun form is upright old men can do it...kaidos footwork and coiling body method trains you to kickbox in the low clinching range...all the good wwf wrestlers are on roids, ultimate warrior was very cut, lol...same **** fat peeps can't be doing gung fu....doesn't mean you can't do gung fu and be overweight...you ever seen a muay thai champ that looked like a sumo...**** doesn't work, and besides most gung fu has bhuddist influence and vegans are wiry and bhuddists sit in lotus so culturally they are more able to demonstrate proper foundations.

I'm confused what you said about DFW and many styles...you want to exercise tyhe bboy style slash sweeps in the Kodak frames or?.

James

[Drake]

You mean that drill or the whole method of low twisting , rotating and spinning?...wing chun form is upright old men can do it...kaidos footwork and coiling body method trains you to kickbox in the low clinching range...all the good wwf wrestlers are on roids, ultimate warrior was very cut, lol...same **** fat peeps can't be doing gung fu....doesn't mean you can't do gung fu and be overweight...you ever seen a muay thai champ that looked like a sumo...**** doesn't work, and besides most gung fu has bhuddist influence and vegans are wiry and bhuddists sit in lotus so culturally they are more able to demonstrate proper foundations.

I'm confused what you said about DFW and many styles...you want to exercise tyhe bboy style slash sweeps in the Kodak frames or?.

James

I'm saying that body type plays a role in all physical things, including gung fu. GM DFW's book from the 80's mentions it briefly. I can't watch the videos, because the gov't network blocks vids. I am saying, generally speaking, if you are a large person, would the more acrobatic/demanding techniques be prohibitive for someone who is big but at the same time athletic? The stuff I'm doing now isn't demanding at all. It's just memorization and holding the low horsey.

[diego]

I'm saying that body type plays a role in all physical things, including gung fu. GM DFW's book from the 80's mentions it briefly. I can't watch the videos, because the gov't network blocks vids. I am saying, generally speaking, if you are a large person, would the more acrobatic/demanding techniques be prohibitive for someone who is big but at the same time athletic? The stuff I'm doing now isn't demanding at all. It's just memorization and holding the low horsey.
Flexibility and speed is the key for what you would need to develop for your body type...you built like an american football man I assume:)...wide shoulders and large thighs...gung fu is all about the waist so you'd just have to work on your splits and do lots of speed kicking drills...we always go upright tiger tail-back kick into low cross stance and spin out into tornado with the same leg...so you kick out, dip low and spring high...very good cardio in reps and it works your waist from rolling and twisting on each side similar to how crunches work your abs.

I'm starting to understand that foundation training is more than just basics, you really become that shape be it animal or bhoddisatva style...our side bow stance is the main hop ga fighting frame in the method I train, you dip your left leg to the side fully weighted and you stretch out your rear leg, as you do this you dip your head and upper torso like you are slipping a jab underneath a hook and this is our on gaurd fundamental stance.
I notice this dipping one leg, locking the hips, and then stretching the rear leg and spine fully onsome yoga **** has made me taller.

The stance training and the hands you play while working your foundation gives you the muscular frame of whatever totem symbol your style emulates....we do the crane so you really extend your limbs, like you almost hyperextend...but then it's also based on gorrilla so you got that hunched coil making every thing tight and ready to spring....you develop these muscles to the point of an adrenaline gung fu roid monkey and when you are older and more slim, less agile, you will still have this frame.

for boxing you need speed and strength, gung fu footwork you need root so you must work flexibility, not just stationary stretching you also need to master flexibility in motion .

Basically, what I'm saying is most westerners I demo'd the tornado kick for spazzed out their hips when they tried to learn it...their tv guts get in the way:)

[diego]

Drake, I only posted one youtube video, the rest are kodak picture slideshows, some cool combo's up in there!.

[Drake]

Drake, I only posted one youtube video, the rest are kodak picture slideshows, some cool combo's up in there!.

Aaaaahh...I see....

[sanjuro_ronin]

lexibility and speed is the key for what you would need to develop for your body type...you built like an american football man I assume...wide shoulders and large thighs...gung fu is all about the waist so you'd just have to work on your splits and do lots of speed kicking drills...

Splits and speed kicking work the waist ??

[diego]

Splits and speed kicking work the waist ??

I find most westerners are top heavy...splits and kicking drills get rid of the gut...gung fu footwork works the waist;)

[sanjuro_ronin]

I find most westerners are top heavy...splits and kicking drills get rid of the gut...gung fu footwork works the waist;)

Splits and kicking drills get rid of the gut eh?
Didn't I see that in an infomercial on the shopping channel ?

[diego]

Splits and kicking drills get rid of the gut eh?
Didn't I see that in an infomercial on the shopping channel ?

you seen the hip hop boxing or the **** it be....****...loosen up the legs and get light on the toes before doing hop ga foot work or you will pull your groin I don't care how sporty you are.

see i'm lazy as hell but I'm not fat so let me have the ego pleasure of feeling good about myself by denigrating others!. ****

[Drake]

Drifting off subject...what builds speed? Just kicking, or is there a certain way of doing this to maximize the effort?

[diego]

Drifting off subject...what builds speed? Just kicking, or is there a certain way of doing this to maximize the effort?
I'm thinking more suppleness than moving swift...there is a tai chi to the hop ga, I guess they describe it as silk reeling energy...you have to be able to explode contstantly while you coil.

Kaido's drills are harder than kickboxing drills because they stay upright... your butt has to be parrallel to your knees unless you actually stand up, anything else is weak form, minimal intent...spazzy kung fu. I mean, I'm lazy I like to play my form, but that's not how it's done, you have to be gung ho to properly pimp the gung fu:).


I was taught do your form slow and slick as hell put full style, then do it as powerfull and choppy as you can, then mix full form speed and power.

Repetition builds speed,but our shape helps us explode...peep the kodak pic's. We hit from every angle it's all about the footwork, you do mad reps...the legend in hop ga is you have to do each seed fist 10,000 times to just have it ingrained in your muscle memory, then you repeat 10 g on a bag and repeat sparring...you do this for each move in twenty years you will master the meteor fists of the lama footwork...that's all legend

What I found in what I do...you watch the thais all they train is front kick and round kick, maybe a side spin kick...you master these moves you will have the muscles to execute every other type of kick. Same with the hop ga punches, spend a month on straight punch, then spend a month on hooking, and then chopping overhead...then start over....now it is easy as hell to do backfists so rake your knuckles along the canvas with those fist. The Chune is the main seed it holds the key to every other arm technique.

:)

[diego]

if you watch the three minute youtube video I linked kaido moves tai chi style very supple...peter and roy when they do the two man form they move more swift than supple.

[diego]

Here's a lil demo I did for theKFMAG member Satori Science a few days ago. We had a good three hour chat on the Gung Fu and I asked him to record me showing the difference between Hop Ga and KajuKenbo. My stance is spaz as hell, lol...I should have took an extra 20 seconds to do the postures properly, at least my feet and shoulders are in alignement. Watch the steps I take and visualize the flow Kaido uses in his three minute demo on my Youtube page.
I was planning to make video for this thread and the Kaido website I'm working on after the summer when I'm more in shape...just got over a month long heel injury and spent the whole winter on my butt surfing the web:D:rolleyes:

This video makes me really want to get in shape now....the third set looks retarded....PUT YOUR BUTT INLINE WITH YOUR KNEES, BACK STRAIGHT!!. ****

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=azs1xtDwb4s

I wish I demo'd more application as Kaido has lots of it, but it's good enough to show anyone interested how Kaido sets up his combo's.

[Steeeve]

James

I have see the video

The Kaido set 1 and 2 and the third form....plus the basic punch warm up...

thats from the kajukenbo chuan fa branch of Kaido its not the Emperado method or the Kajukenbo chuan fa of Al Dacascos....the basic punch are from hop gar(lama pai and white crane) a version or influenced of the hop gar but not the form.....the forms was created by Kaido...

Steeve

[kaidokenbo]

Question: Where/who gave you these vids?

[diego]

Question: Where/who gave you these vids?


Peter Schuster stayed at my house back in 96...Got like ten hours of various Kaido-Kajukenbo vid's:)

[diego]

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.4gbcmyen&Uy=-c2vx92&Ux=0&UV=949466956341_780107728111

Two claws, Chune Choi, overhead and kick, push.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Nice slide show.

[diego]

Nice slide show.

Thanks Sanjuro:). I got a few more key application slides coming...unfortunatly I don't have a training partner or I would post some video of application...this girl I'm seeing did some Kickboxing tho...trying to talk her into letting me practise my monkey steals peach tactics;):p

We'll see

[diego]

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.4gbcmyen&Uy=-c2vx92&Ux=0&UV=949466956341_780107728111

Two claws, Chune Choi, overhead and kick, push.


RAY SMILLIE 1928 OLYMPIC BRONZE BOXER
http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v241/32/75/649459103/n649459103_815679_8752.jpg

lol my great grandpa rocking the same pose:cool:

[diego]

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.6o12btz3&Uy=hioeyr&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&UV=533239681758_759992138111&localeid=en_US

Leg Sweep Claw groin, Rip up and Punch

[diego]

TIGER CLAWS

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.4vppxym7&Uy=eq1br7&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&UV=218555685637_940753138111&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1

TAN SAO TWO CLAW GRAB COLLARBONE AND BELT...SHOULDER THROW IN TWIST HORSE

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.9bvfu7un&Uy=-suyij9&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&UV=773157087534_470753138111&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1

APPLICATION

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.ccp611of&Uy=xx87nm&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&UV=795728189079_980753138111&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1

FRONT VIEW

[Lama Pai Sifu]

Diego, I'm not sure if anyone asked this before, but why don't you just post the video?? The slides are a pain to watch...

Peace

[diego]

Diego, I'm not sure if anyone asked this before, but why don't you just post the video?? The slides are a pain to watch...

Peace

I'm only sharing these for those that know what's going on...it's for my benefit:) I'm only authorized to show video of Kaido and I'm working on my basics right now hoping to shoot a proper application video before next christmas...it's just a hobby for me:cool:

[diego]

UPCUT RIP & PUNCH

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?page=1&aid=37603&id=649459103

[diego]

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=37610&id=649459103

here's a special treat for newbs to gung fu...how to apply so called long fist:cool:

peep the palm groin rip up and punch

[diego]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=838047&id=649459103

ghost steps...

[diego]

upping thread

http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=649459103&ref=pb

Here's some clips of kajukenbo hop gar live. We've all heard the legends of hop ga mixing with the 5 families, well Kajukenbo was influenced by the 5 families of southern gung fu.

These pic's were taken ten years ago, enjoy.

More to come

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[diego]

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Are you logged into Facebook?...I don't get it, I set the files to public share:)

[nospam]

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Was it not you that had Facebook sharing issues on another thread?

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[diego]

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Was it not you that had Facebook sharing issues on another thread?

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Yeah it's the same link, I just wanted to update the thread:cool:

[diego]

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.9w2qpdof&Uy=-d3v1tm&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&UV=494750123724_117330298111&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1

Does anyone know of the Chinese name for this Crane kick?.

[diego]

a little secret...if you look at the crane kick and the dragon claw 2 link in my tony the tiger thread....they link. onsome waldo ****, werd:D

[diego]

to the top

[diego]

"Ng Yim-Ming--Grandmaster Ng Yim-Ming began his training under Gum San-Hong who was a martial actor from the Red Boat Opera Company. Gum San-Hong was Wong Hen-Wing's student. This is where Ng Yim-Ming got the opportunity to begin training with the giant of Canton. He was a teenage boy of 13 at the time and took to the training diligently as he already had experience from Gum San-Hong. Wong Hen-Wing being the number one disciple of Wong Yan-Lum was very close to the Grandmaster. He gave the young Ng the assignment of bringing Grandmaster Wong various types of Bao (chinese buns). This would be the opportunity that led Wong Yan-Lum to teach Ng Yim-Ming the Hop Gar kung fu directly. Even though Wong Yan-Lum was of poor health at the time he took a liking to Ng and gave Ng many important lessons. One of the ways Ng had to develop his Chuan Fa was to go into the streets and fight. He was very successful and took his hop gar to a high level even at such a young age. As Ng grew older his family connections with Chang Kai-Sek would take him to the USA to be trained as a fighter pilot. Later Ng would become a General in the Air Force."

http://www.geocities.com/tibetanhopgar1/hopgar2.html

I was told kaido's father helped Ng Ming come to America...I also heard kaido may have killed some one in the army... what's the Chang kai-Sek connection? :)

[diego]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmL5eUySNZM


Kaido's main black belt GM Philip Gelinas teaching Kaido's fourth form called Dragon Dance. I'm told you didn't learn this form until around the third or fourth year after doing basic Kajukenbo kick boxing conditioning with Crane punches..