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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxYO4kpuhg&NR=1
CMA historian and Tong Bei practitioner Ma Ming Da giving lectures on Shaolin.
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there are 3 bases: Chan Buddhism, martial arts, and Chan Wu.
like 3 legs of a stool/chair.
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Shaolin is famed for its staff or gun.
the uniqueness is due to there are spear methods in the staff methods. there are staff methods in the spear methods. or mixture of both spear and staff methods.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGYPvIQR79A&mode=related&search=
there were 19 times of ups and downs in Shaolin's over 1500 years of history.
Da Mo first came to China in the south. It was Liang dynasty. His buddhism was not accepted by King Xiao.
He then travelled to the north. Legends said Da Mo got across the longest river by standing on a straw???
It was Xiang Bei tribe ruling the north. It was called the northern Wei dynasty.
He was travelling and preaching around Lo Yang. He then picked a cave and rested/meditated for 9 years.
Chan is to "understand".
Da Mo passed away and was buried in Lo Yang.
at the same time, a massenger Song Yun was travelling back from India. He met Da Mo and saw him carried one shoe. Song asked him where are you going. Da Mo said he was travelling to the west. When Song Yun came back to Lo Yang and reported that he saw Da Mo. But everyone else said Da Mo passed away. So they dug up the grave and only saw one shoe and there was no body.
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these are the legends that started the Chan sect of Buddhism in China.
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that is why the statues or tablets showing Da Mo carrying one shoe.
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Vilmore
06-13-2007, 07:42 AM
to bad its all chinese :(
I will try to translate most of it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1-bUQ7Ui44&mode=related&search=
de myth the legends of 13 Shaolin staff monks rescuing Tang King.
Shaolin monks did fight, capture and turn over the nephew of Cheng King to the first emperor of Tang, Li Si Ming.
Li Si Ming was known for his archery. and Yu Chi Gong was known for his long spear on horse back. They both travelled and challenged others together.
Most important of all. Li was a leader of 100,000 army.--
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so the story of 13 monks rescuing Li is not true.
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When Mongolian fighting Jin, Shaolin was involved in rescuing the refugees in Kaifeng.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AXXJDzZ8eA
Wan Song the high monk talked to Ye Liu Zhu Cai (a mongolian that believed in Chan buddhism). Ye Liu then convinced Genghis Khan not to kill the people he conquered.
Fu Yu was a disciple of Wan Song. He and many other monks convinced the mongolian army not to slaughter civillians in the cities that they conquered.
if all the people were slaughtered, there is no one to collect tax to support the army.
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Shaolin became a stabling force at the time.
Fu Yu had the biggest spirits tower or Ling Ta in Shaolin.
He became the head monk. Shaolin was in charge of 20 some temples nearby.
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during Ming dynasty, Shaolin Kung fu started to become known.
warring/warrior monk or Wu Zhen was officially named. They were part of militia forces. They had to be called upon to fight a war when needed.
the most famous warring monk was San Qi Zhou You. He fought 4 major battles for Ming. Shaolin Kung Fu was now well known across China.
Zhou You's disciple Hong Zhuan was number one in staff and spear fighting at his time.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOzHwbzyx0U&mode=related&search=
The real Shaolin Kung Fu is Shaolin staff/gun.
1. Staff is an instrument in buddhism. it is called "crane" or Zhang.
2. the old time, all weapons were banned except staff. when people travelled, they carried a staff.
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during Qing dynasty, buddhism over all was in decline. there was no burning down of the northern or southern Shaolin temples. Kang Xi even rebuilt Shaolin temple.
some of the big buildings were built during Qian Long. QL even wrote the tablet Shaolin Si.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIzUGRUu_2o&mode=related&search=
from the middle, late Qing to republican era, China's economics was in decline. So the support of the Shaolin temple was in decline.
during northern expedition, general Feng Yu Xiang was fighting against northern warlords in the east side of Henan. Shaolin temple was used as the headquarter for the northern warlords.
Shi You San fought Feng Yu Xiang and then burned down Shaolin temple.
this was the worst in Shaolin history. the 18 major buildings were burned down along with books, collections of documents from the emperors, --
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Shaolin was established by the government since the very beginning. All the chief monks were appointed by the emperors. Shaolin was very close to the government in each dynasty.
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end of the history section of the lectures.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofwiNWagLKo&mode=related&search=
in addition to Shaolin Kung Fu, we have to understand the culture and other aspects.
Shaolin is a cultural/religious exchange establishment.
Shaolin was built for Ba Tuo (a buddhist monk from india) by northern Wei.
30 years later, it welcomed Da Mo.
Shaolin was geographically the center of the northern China at the time.
during Tang dynasty, there were Yi Jin and Xuan Zhang travelling to India and back.
Yi Jin brought new buddhis books to Shaolin.
during Yuan dynasty, Fu Yu spreaded Northern Chan sect to southern China. Hui Neng's 6 gen disciples propagated Chan in the southern Shaolin. The lineage from Fu Yu is all way down to present day.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhhePWau50s&mode=related&search=
since Shaolin is on the center mountain or Zhong Yue Song Shan.
in the old time, everyone had to travel thru it including martial artists/fighters.
Shaolin became a place for exchange ideas of fighting techniques.
the main thing is that there were always new ideas/techniques brought in to Shaolin.
Yu Da You and Qi Ji Guang were both famous generals fighting Japanese pirates during Ming.
they both were related to Shaolin.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0pWHXKZwoU&mode=related&search=
Chan Buddhism adopted confuscious and Meng Zi. It was called Kong Meng Chan.
Confuscious was known to be able to lift a lot of weight and very good at archery and riding horse carriage.
When people asked him what are you good at; confuscious said shooting an arrow and driving a horse carriage.
However, during Song and Yuan dynasty, martial culture was looked down upon.
Shaolin kept and preserved the martial culture during these periods.
Chan and Wu are inseparable. Use Chan to enter the world of Wu.
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A balance culture of both literature and fighting. or Wen and Wu.
such as general Qi Ji Guang was a good poet and good calligrapher in addition to military knowledge and skills.
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When most of the fighing methods were not documented, Shaolin served as a preservation place.--
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so the spirits of Shaolin are both literature and fighting.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4XXKEQzBFo&mode=related&search=
In modern time, there are a lot of made up stuff in Wushu. It is only to gain profit or make money.
Ma Ming Da hope that Shaolin would continue research and preserve the "real" stuff.
In 1979, Shaolin Wushu team was formed.
In 1980, Shaolin Wu Zhen team was named.
They are to promote Chan buddhism world wide.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGlY3vicEPY&mode=related&search=
the real fight is only a few moves. win or lose. life and death was decided.
fighting is about moving in steps. so practice with fixed step or standing in the horse stance for a long time may not be practical and hurt joints.
Wushu is not about flowery moves but practical.
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Qi Ji Quang designed a 12 people team paired with long, short weapons, shields and a cook. It is called Yuan Yan Zhen.
It was designed to fight against 10 to 12 Japanese pirates with swords. Japanese pirates did not come in many but they were all good swordsmen.
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"Tying coat lazily" needs to be quiet and focusing on obervation.
This mind set is the same as Chan Ding.
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In conclusion, Shaolin has the important responsibility and role to "recover" and make known Chinese culture both in literature and martiality.
Let us hope that Shaolin will bring about the "renaisance" of Chinese culture in the 21st century.
the end.
thanx.
mantis108
06-15-2007, 10:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGlY3vicEPY&mode=related&search=
the real fight is only a few moves. win or lose. life and death was decided.
fighting is about moving in steps. so practice with fixed step or standing in the horse stance for a long time may not be practical and hurt joints.
Wushu is not about flowery moves but practical.
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Qi Ji Quang designed a 12 people team paired with long, short weapons, shields and a cook. It is called Yuan Yan Zhen.
It was designed to fight against 10 to 12 Japanese pirates with swords. Japanese pirates did not come in many but they were all good swordsmen.
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"Tying coat lazily" needs to be quiet and focusing on obervation.
This mind set is the same as Chan Ding.
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In conclusion, Shaolin has the important responsibility and role to "recover" and make known Chinese culture both in literature and martiality.
Let us hope that Shaolin will bring about the "renaisance" of Chinese culture in the 21st century.
the end.
thanx.
Regarding the Yuanyang Zhen (Mandarin Duck formation), I shared this on the Mantis Quarterly Forum.
Yuanyang Zhen (mandarin duck formation) is really a masterpiece of General Qi Jiguan (1528 - 1587 CE). If memory serves, he adopted it for a southern tribe (Se zhou?) and he modified it to fit into the Ming army.
Before we get into the YYZ, we need to get an idea of the Ming military main battle creed. Ever since the Yong Le reign, the Ming army adhere to the imperial creed that firearms are post loosely in the lead and calvary densely at the rear. Infantry is posted in the middle as well as with the calvary which also carries firearms with them. Infantry has coverage of chariots (also armed with firearms of various sorts). This is mainly used against enemies of the north. First the troops will form a square formation according to the creed, then volleys after volleys of firearms (cannons, muskets, grenades, etc) and archery will launch into the charging enemy (Mongolians or Jurchens usually). They could do this all day until they worn the enemy down enough. Then they will have the calvary charged at the now broken enemy line(s) with the infantry in support. This is quite brutal back in the days.
But in the southern this battle tactic doesn't quite work especially in rice field, bog and swarmpy areas. So the reliance of firearms becomes less effective because of the demness to the gun powder and the harsh terrains for the horses. Rather infantry, especially those who are trained in he YYZ, becomes more important in battling the pirates.
The YYZ is built according to the age old Yinyang and Wuxing philosophy. For example there is the retangular shield representing the moon and the round shield representing the sun. These two shields formed the character Ming (talk about patriotism). There are 2 Longxi, which is a bamboo weapon. 4 spears, and 2 "short weaponry" (nine teeth hoe, fork, or crugle). There would be a captain with a flag. Basically, this would be 2 units of 5 troops and they would march in a file of 2 line (unlike the western 4 lines colum). This the basic YYZ formation. When they form a battle line of 2 ranks, it would be called San Cai Zhen (3 talents formation). Each weaponry is assigned a specific task and they serve as one unite. The analogy by General Qi is that it would be like the body and its 4 limbs (five limbs). When the body moves every limb moves in unison with the body.
In essence, the YYZ training ideology is like the modern US Marines - Unite, Corp and Country.
Just some thoughts.
Mantis108
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dGxYO4kpuhg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zGYPvIQR79A&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zGYPvIQR79A&mode=related&search=
The remaining 12 clips or so can be found on the right
http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46796&highlight=ma+ming+da
I translated some of the vid's.
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SPJ, thank you very, very much for translating this---my wife [Beijing] really does not feel competent in translating martial arts terminology.
Mantis108 also thanks for the commentary.
I thought the program would be very interesting. Now why doesn't CCTV 9 translate the program into English subtitles, air it, and then offer it as a purchase---like the public broadcasting stations here in the US.
CCTV 9 has been trying to become more or less like a CNN and MSNBC and they do a poor job at it, resulting in a boring schedule of programs.
China needs a CCTV 9 type documentary station to educate the West about their history and culture---I wish in my wildest dreams!:rolleyes:
GeneChing
10-03-2007, 09:29 AM
I merged that the wrong way. I usually merge the younger thread on to the heading of the older thread. I figure the person who makes the initial post should get the privilege of naming the thread. Apologies SPJ.
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