OT: Resisting Arrest

[Mas Judt]

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/6414.html

This is a disturbing clip, as seeing a young girl scream like that is just uncomfortable. However, I can't fault the officer for how he handled this. What do you think?

[MasterKiller]

Resist arrest and you get what you get.

[Bamboozle]

Yea, I agree here. The officer did the correct thing. He gave her ample time to stop resisting. Then after she bit him, that was it. The girl seemed like she was loaded anyways.

[The Willow Sword]

The girl was stopped for violating the city's curfew law.


This is the punishment for violating a city curfew law? sheesh. :rolleyes:

This is just another example of a racist sh!thead cop doing what they do best.


That is using WAY to much force to subdue a 15 year old SKINNY girl.
I mean look at his size compared to hers, he could have easily handcuffed her in a firm and safe way rather than doing this little abusive dance that he was doing with her.

I say excessive force. i say grandaddy's kkk genes swirling around in this pig's
scr0tum took over.
Down with racist cops, TWS

[bodhitree]

This is the punishment for violating a city curfew law? sheesh.

It's not the punishment for the curfew law, it's the measure necessary to get her to stop resisting arrest. It's actually not a 'punishment' at all.

[Water Dragon]

Problem is, the cop was a Kung Fu guy. Look at that weak Chin Na. Never woulda happened if the cop did BJJ.

[The Willow Sword]

It's not the punishment for the curfew law, it's the measure necessary to get her to stop resisting arrest. It's actually not a 'punishment' at all.

and its stupid and petty to arrest a child because of it. IF this was an ADULT i could see the whole hand cuffs thing and take ya down town, BS. However this was a Minor and a Female and of course she just HAD to be Black and get harrassed by a white cop. I could see several different ways of handling this other than what we saw on video. It WAS Excessive, and it WAS,whether you want to accept it or not, racially motivated.
TWS

[NJM]

I'm not seeing any racial bias or improper conduct here. She wouldn't put her hands behind her back. She bit him.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Problem is, the cop was a Kung Fu guy. Look at that weak Chin Na. Never woulda happened if the cop did BJJ.

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ROTFLO!!!! :D

[Chosen-frozen]

TWS , I gotta disagree with you.

1) I didn`t see anything racist going on.

2) He WAS trying to cuff and control her in a firm manner, but it`s a whole lot harder to control someone when when your main concern is not injuring them. The first thing he said was that he didn`t want to hurt or force her because she was small.

3)Yes, when a cop finds a minor who`s violating a curfew law he`s bound to either take `em home or take them to the station so thier parents can pick them up. Can you imagine the lawsuit he and the city would be facing if he just told her to "head home" and anything happened to her after he left? She could be mugged, raped, kidnapped, or just hit by a car.

4) Most cities REQUIRE thier cops to cuff anyone they`re transporting, especially if they`re in an agitated state. It`s a matter of saftey for the officer and the suspect. In the last year alone I remember news stories about a teen killed by a car after he ran from the cops who were putting him into the back of the car uncuffed. In Toledo just a couple years back the cops had to shoot a mentally disturbed man that everyone said was sweet and harmless.Turns out he was also paranoid schitzophrenic, while the cops were taking him home uncuffed he reached between the seats and took one of thier guns. How much do you want to bet in both cases the families tried to sue the city for everything they could get?

I`ll be the first to admit there are some real *******s out there with badges, but most cops are just trying to do thier job. If people don`t want trouble with the cops, do what they tell you. Even if you swear you`re in the right, play along. You can always sort it out later. Crhis Rock said it best, "If the cops have to chase you down they`re bringin` an asswhoopin` with `em."
Just my .02

[Knifefighter]

Willow Sword- you've obvioulsy never worked in law enforcement.

That cop had no choice. He had to take her in. He couldn't take her in uncuffed and she sure wasn't letting him cuff her. I thought he showed quite a bit of restraint considering how uncooperative she was.

Water Dragon is right. If he would have put her on the ground, he would have been able to cuff her more easily and she couldn't have bitten him. Suspects are much easier to control on the ground than they are standing.

[Mika]

I haven't been following this forum lately, but I must ask: Willow Sword, are you actually serious or are you just trolling?

In case you are serious, your logic defies me. But hey, that's only me. :)

[Shaolin Wookie]

This is the punishment for violating a city curfew law? sheesh. :rolleyes:

This is just another example of a racist sh!thead cop doing what they do best.


That is using WAY to much force to subdue a 15 year old SKINNY girl.
I mean look at his size compared to hers, he could have easily handcuffed her in a firm and safe way rather than doing this little abusive dance that he was doing with her.

I say excessive force. i say grandaddy's kkk genes swirling around in this pig's
scr0tum took over.
Down with racist cops, TWS

Sure, there are racist cops. But I work in law enforcement administration, and I can tell you that curfew laws are how most wanted juvenile delinquents get caught. They're generally wanted for selling drugs (hard stuff, like crack, herione, etc) or violent crimes, and often are arrested while in possession of weapons.

You'd be surprised. And often, juvenile D's with Wants out on them are recalictrant and resistant, and very unpredictable.

I could go either way on that vid. It's always hard to sympathize with violence, especially against a teenage girl. But it's equally hard to sympathize with violence against a cop. You bite the tiger, you're going to get eaten. Teenage chicks are unpredictable and can do some damage.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I noticed it took forever for him to get the pepperspray out of it's holster.

[Merryprankster]

Mika,

Willow has a reflexive distrust of authority and is completely impervious to logic. He has no enemies, but his friends dislike him intensely.

Other than that, he's swell.

That said, I second KF. The girl demonstrated two things: First, she was going to continue resisting; which could result in injury to herself or the officer; secondly, that she was perfectly fine with injuring the cop.

Pepper spray, with the exception of a small portion of the population that has a truly severe reaction, is a temporary, albeit unpleasant, incapacitating agent that allows the officer to subdue and control, reducing the risk of injury to him and the suspect. She was fine, I'm sure no more than an hour later, although when she washed her hair it probably sucked again.

Perfectly reasonable response to a suspect clearly resisting arrest. It was far MORE dangerous to the SUSPECT, to allow her to continue struggling. His actions actually improved the safety of the situation, IMO.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Sure, there are racist cops. But I work in law enforcement administration, and I can tell you that curfew laws are how most wanted juvenile delinquents get caught. They're generally wanted for selling drugs (hard stuff, like crack, herione, etc) or violent crimes, and often are arrested while in possession of weapons.

You'd be surprised. And often, juvenile D's with Wants out on them are recalictrant and resistant, and very unpredictable.

I could go either way on that vid. It's always hard to sympathize with violence, especially against a teenage girl. But it's equally hard to sympathize with violence against a cop. You bite the tiger, you're going to get eaten. Teenage chicks are unpredictable and can do some damage.

The video is getting recycled on CNN this morning. I retract my statement from earlier, and add to it now:

I would say the officer is clearly being excessive.

Just my 2 cents.

[kwaichang]

Police Brutality if I were a Lawyer I would sue their pants off, if a cop cant hand cuff a 15 year old girl he doesnt need to be a cop. Racist Pig oink oink. Next they will wear SS uniforms . and since when is there a curfew at 7 30 also looked like she had been to the grocery store . Should have just given her a ride home good PR not KKK KC

[Shaolin Wookie]

Police Brutality if I were a Lawyer I would sue their pants off, if a cop cant hand cuff a 15 year old girl he doesnt need to be a cop. Racist Pig oink oink. Next they will wear SS uniforms . and since when is there a curfew at 7 30 also looked like she had been to the grocery store . Should have just given her a ride home good PR not KKK KC

I didn't agree with that at first, but after seeing it 4-5 times, I think I'm retarded. He had her restrained, he wrenched her wrist, and she winced, retracted, and bit his wrist (perhaps). After which, when she's already restrained, he shouts at her "Stop resisting me!", then takes a good couple of seconds to pull out his pepperspray, when she's no longer fighting, reaches around her face, and dishes out his ****.

Ain't cool at all.

[BoulderDawg]

apalling. Maybe this cop will get his one of these days. This girl looked all of about 14. No telling what happened to her before and after the video.

[Merryprankster]

Does the CNN vid have more footage; I'm basing my opinion of just this clip.

S. Wookie - I was kind of not a big fan of the pain compliance wrist lock either. Seemed....unecessary.

I kind of thought the pepper spray was a BETTER option (yeah, I know a lot of LE depts consider it lethal force...)

[Knifefighter]

So, for all the armchair quarterbacks who think he was in the wrong, what would you have done in that situation?

[BoulderDawg]

So, for all the armchair quarterbacks who think he was in the wrong, what would you have done in that situation?


That one's easy.

First of all I would never, never, never in a million years be a cop. However I would have handled the situation much differently. I would have simply told her to go home. It's past curfew.

That it been a white girl out at that time I'm sure that is what would have happened.

[Merryprankster]

This why I'm asking if there is more footage. As it STANDS, I think the cop was justified.

But he may have lost control of the situation earlier, leading to his use of force.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Does the CNN vid have more footage; I'm basing my opinion of just this clip.

S. Wookie - I was kind of not a big fan of the pain compliance wrist lock either. Seemed....unecessary.

I kind of thought the pepper spray was a BETTER option (yeah, I know a lot of LE depts consider it lethal force...)

Well, the problem is, he already had her restrained; he either had her in cuffs, or in the wrist lock, although it seems that she "bit" him only after he applied the lock or twisted it. Shortly after, he has her restrained in the cuffs, but takes his free hand, pulls out the pepperspray, and dumps a healthy portion directly into her face.

Here's where the problem is:

1. she is emotionally stressed, as you can clearly see, so she's not thinking clearly. That's not the officer's problem. His job is to restrain her. But until the wrist lock, we only see her struggling mildly, and not in any way that threatens the cop's control. If that's resisting arrest, then almost everything else is, too. The only moment she appears to be resisting (despite what you apologists might say by justifying the expansion of the chest on an inhale as a motion to escape), is when the officer twists her wrist.

2. Once the wrist tweak is applied, she reacts by kind of doubling up; and, whether or not she bites him--we can't tell---it may have been coincidental, or it might not have happened at all. But anyways, she's reacting to something he did.

This posits: A) He has control, but is abusing it.
B) He is aggravating an already emotionally amped up teenager.
C) He is causing her pain, therby exacerbating the situation.

It shows a lack of discernment on the officer's part. He is in fact worsening the situation by degrees.

The pepperspray was completely uncalled for. She was, at that point, just crying and screaming.

Crying and screaming do not suggest resisting arrest, or else 99% of all arrests would be charged with resisting arrest.

She's friggin' 15. And although, yes, some juvenile delinquents already have astonishing criminal records, they don't tend to cry and scream like this. They know they're just taking a trip down to the RYDC, and won't be long before they're back out. This girl is truly freaking, b/c she probably has no idea what's going on.

If she's alone, beyond curfew, at the corner store, and is not exhibiting wild and erratic behavior, you can assume that treating her in this manner (assuming she could be your 14 year old daughter just down the block getting a slushie with her friends) is going to intensify the situation and draw a bad reaction.

He appears to be the aggressor, but as with all police videos, it's often hard to discern the context.

And I don't often take the "police brutality" side.

[Shaolin Wookie]

That one's easy.

First of all I would never, never, never in a million years be a cop. However I would have handled the situation much differently. I would have simply told her to go home. It's past curfew.

That it been a white girl out at that time I'm sure that is what would have happened.

If it's just for curfew, and she's not being recalcitrant, he can give her a ride home. Simple as that.

But we don't see that in the vid. Only the PD is seeing that right now, and they're releasing to the media what they want them to see.

This appears, from what we see, to be a cop who's bullying someone much younger and weaker.

All we know is that she's already crying and half-hysterical, so something has already transpired.;)

It goes the way with these things, that they tend to escalate, and your'e only seeing the denouement.

[AJM]

I'm calling for a beatdown.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

You know, this id is ugly, but she was resisting arrest. It's his JOB to make the arrest.

He made numerous verbal commands to comply, and she was just hysterical.

Now, he could have twisted, and possibly broke her arm, OR he could have subdued her with pepper spray and arrest her with out further incedent.

If I was in his position I really don't see how I could have done the arest, without using any less force.

Anything less that what he did would have resulted in her getting away and the officer losing complete control.

[Knifefighter]

You know, this id is ugly, but she was resisting arrest. It's his JOB to make the arrest.

He made numerous verbal commands to comply, and she was just hysterical.

Now, he could have twisted, and possibly broke her arm, OR he could have subdued her with pepper spray and arrest her with out further incedent.

If I was in his position I really don't see how I could have done the arest, without using any less force.

Anything less that what he did would have resulted in her getting away and the officer losing complete control.

OMG, Royal Dragon finally posts something sensible!

There must be some type of cataclysmic event scheduled for today.

[Shaolin Wookie]

OMG, Royal Dragon finally posts something sensible!

There must be some type of cataclysmic event scheduled for today.

Oh, come on KF.





Anything less that what he did would have resulted in her getting away and the officer losing complete control.

She weighed all of 15 lbs. and he had to be coming in at 200+. Unless she has posession of crack or a gun, or a record with Wants, this is ridiculous.

[kwaichang]

K F seems to be talking like a cop they all have inferiority complexes and seem to like to bully people , how else can you have a license to shoot someone and only get a slap on the wrist and time off with pay. If the American people cont to let this type of stuff go on We The People will have no recourse. All in the name of the Job. I have yet to know or meet a Cop that doesnt have some sort of PsychoSocial issues. Then they blame it on the Job yet again and all the stress associated with it. KC

[BoulderDawg]

I have yet to know or meet a Cop that doesnt have some sort of PsychoSocial issues. Then they blame it on the Job yet again and all the stress associated with it. KC

Arrogant, stupid bunch. I once saw an interview of this cop who shot an unarmed black kid in Cincinnati (I believe) and was put on leave during an investigation...with pay of course. He actually had the gall to talk about the stress the shooting had put on his family..........wonder about the stress on the family of the dead black kid.

By the way, in my job they can suspend me with pay for the next 6 months if they so desire.:D

[Knifefighter]

The cop's job is to do his job and go home to is family at night. Police forces have thorough training in escalation of force tactics. There are specific reasons for increasing force, all of which are centered around the officer's, the community's, and the suspects' safety. Pain compliance holds are part of that escalation of force and are necessary (would you rather he had bashed her face into the hood of the car to get her to comply). Being biten is a criteria for escalating force (have someone chomp down on your arm as hard as they can and see how you react- probably not as under control as that officer did).

All suspects are potential threats to an officer's safety until he or she is restrained, no matter what the size discrepency. Making sure he restrains suspects who are a uncooperative is a requirement of an officer's job and is of the utmost importance to his safety.

Here's a perfect example of what can happen if you do not restrain an uncooperative suspect:

I knew a guy who worked security, but had no law enforcement training. One night he tried to talk down and reason with a petite but beligerant woman who needed to be escorted out of a store. While he was explaining to her why he needed her to leave, she slashed him with a box cutter diagaonally across the face and opened his face up from his forehead on one side all the way down to his jaw on the other side.
The scar from that slash was horrendous and disfigured him tremendously.

[kwaichang]

Sort of like with Rodney King I guess ???? Pain complianc my a$$ its all about power and authority , that is why most people become cops anyway . They were picked on as kids and by God they will dish some back. as in this case . He prob came on to her and she turned him down. KC

[NJM]

You people can't be serious. You actually think that was racism or a psychological disorder on the cop's part?

[The Willow Sword]

I haven't been following this forum lately, but I must ask: Willow Sword, are you actually serious or are you just trolling?

In case you are serious, your logic defies me. But hey, that's only me.

Well Mika in your country you dont seem to have the same racist and violence issues with your law enforcement there like we do here in the USA. I think that is why the logic defies you and SINCE more light was shed on that case on CNN i think it is time the people who decided to take shots at my opinion need to NOW STFU and GFYS(Yes MP that Means YOU douche Nozzle).

Oh and Mika i have Been to Finland and had a great time there spent much of it in Lapland in Ivalo and of course Helsinki. Tervetuloa, TWS:)

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Sort of like with Rodney King I guess ???? Pain complianc my a$$ its all about power and authority , that is why most people become cops anyway . They were picked on as kids and by God they will dish some back. as in this case . He prob came on to her and she turned him down. KC

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Rodney King threatened to KILL those cops, then charged them...he got what he deserved.

[BoulderDawg]

You people can't be serious. You actually think that was racism or a psychological disorder on the cop's part?

I don't think there is any doubt. Had this been a 14 year old white girl this would have never happened. He would have just told her to go home or given her a ride himself.

Now, I think there might be a little validity to the story that this cop wanted to "get a little". She probably to him to go to hell and that's when waht we saw on the video started.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I don't think there is any doubt. Had this been a 14 year old white girl this would have never happened. He would have just told her to go home or given her a ride himself.

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A normal 14 year ld White girl would not have escalated the situation to the point where an arrest was necessary in the first place...if you want to drop down and get all racially stereotypical about it.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Sort of like with Rodney King I guess ???? Pain complianc my a$$ its all about power and authority , that is why most people become cops anyway . They were picked on as kids and by God they will dish some back. as in this case . He prob came on to her and she turned him down. KC

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Rodney King threatened to KILL those cops, then charged them...he got what he deserved.

Ummmmm......cops are not above the law. If someone threatens me and a couple of buddies, then charges us, and we reply by ganging up on him, throwing him to the ground, then tapdancing en masse upon his fallen body---guess what, homie? We go to jail for assault. Perhaps you think Rodney got what he deserved. I don't--he was an a$$ for being hopped up on whatever drug he was on (wasn't it crack?) and then charging down some cops. But once they've got him on the ground, they do not have any license whatsoever to stomp him into submission. Four guys, one assailant. The assailant hits the ground quickly; where were the cuffs? Where were the restraints?

Nope, we just see the tapping of boot heels on a junkie's skull.:rolleyes:

You guys are ridiculous. The things you'd justify.........

[Shaolin Wookie]

I don't think there is any doubt. Had this been a 14 year old white girl this would have never happened. He would have just told her to go home or given her a ride himself.

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A normal 14 year ld White girl would not have escalated the situation to the point where an arrest was necessary in the first place...if you want to drop down and get all racially stereotypical about it.

STFU and go hiking, dude. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You're a cheese-and-mayonaise-bologna-sandwich eating MF'er, if you want to get all racially stereotypical about it.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Pain compliance holds are part of that escalation of force and are necessary (would you rather he had bashed her face into the hood of the car to get her to comply). Being biten is a criteria for escalating force (have someone chomp down on your arm as hard as they can and see how you react- probably not as under control as that officer did).

Um, the reaction (bite) is in response to the pain compliance hold.


Here's a perfect example of what can happen if you do not restrain an uncooperative suspect:

I knew a guy who worked security, but had no law enforcement training. One night he tried to talk down and reason with a petite but beligerant woman who needed to be escorted out of a store. While he was explaining to her why he needed her to leave, she slashed him with a box cutter diagaonally across the face and opened his face up from his forehead on one side all the way down to his jaw on the other side.
The scar from that slash was horrendous and disfigured him tremendously.

Clearly, then, everyone should be put in a pain compliance hold without warning, without compunction.

This is a very unfortunate thing, which happened to your friend. I had an acquaintance who worked security as well, and got bitten by a shoplifter after he chased him down and tackled him. During the tussle, the guy shouted out that he had AIDS. He was later found out to be doped up and HIV positive. The security guard went through a 6 month process of determining whether he had contracted HIV or not. Luckily, he didn't contract it.

This does not, however, justify the use of lethal force in stopping shoplifting.

[Chosen-frozen]

Willow Sword ,

Are you saying she wasn`t given sufficient warning before he tweaked the wrist lock? What does "Stop resisting me. I don`t want to force you because you`re small" mean if it`s not a warning that he`ll up the force if she doesn`t stop resisting?

Maybe you`re right though. Maybe all cops are racist power-drunk sexually frustrated reprobates. I just hope that if that`s the case you or your loved ones are never put into a situation where you desperatly looking for one. Just curious, I was an EMT. Are we just as bad? Some kind of complex where we need to be heros or something? I just figured I`d ask since you seem to be able to give these diagnosis at the drop of a hat.

I knew alot of cops and personality wise most were azzholez, but they were fair and professional with just about everyone they met. I say "just about" because I do know of one guy who got his head bumped being put into the back of the patrol car. But he`d just lead them on a long car chase after killing a 12 yr old girl. (Cops are dads too)

[The Willow Sword]

I was an EMT. Are we just as bad? Some kind of complex where we need to be heros or something? I just figured I`d ask since you seem to be able to give these diagnosis at the drop of a hat.



Emt's are Not the same as Law enforcement, different mentality, different animal all together, why equate my opinions of law enforcement based on what i have seen and experienced over the years to an EMT's Job? I dont see the logic in that statement.

Peace,TWS

[kwaichang]

As long as our Civil rights are taken away as they have drastically for the last 25 years then the Cops will continue to be the brain washed lackeys they are. They are told what to do and they do it "ITS THE LAW" but they are going to be victims of the same force that they are sworn to uphold. But that does not give them a right to use that kind of force to subdue such a desperate criminal as that 15 year old girl weighing all of approx.95 #. The problem is as long as we allow our rights to be taken as they are the cops will have even more freedom to destroy our fredom and do what ever they want as this PIGG did. KC:mad:

[BoulderDawg]

I'm wondering how the black community felt about this. Did this happen in the deep south? I'd be willing to bet that it did.

In any case I think the community should organize citizen patrols to follow police on their patrols through the neighborhoods just to make sure that citizens are safe from the police.

[IronWeasel]

K F seems to be talking like a cop they all have inferiority complexes and seem to like to bully people , how else can you have a license to shoot someone and only get a slap on the wrist and time off with pay. If the American people cont to let this type of stuff go on We The People will have no recourse. All in the name of the Job. I have yet to know or meet a Cop that doesnt have some sort of PsychoSocial issues. Then they blame it on the Job yet again and all the stress associated with it. KC




So much cop bashin'....you must have a record a mile long.

Both sides seem to present reasonable statements to justify their positions on this issue. Except you. Your "because all cops are evil" stance shows how well you've thought this out. You probably didn't even watch the vid.

[kwaichang]

Yeah I watched it I dont need to see that kind of trash to know what it is. Are you a Cop sorry if you are. And no I have no record I am just very aware of what the Cops do. Their cars say to "PROTECT AND SERVE". No protection there as far as I can see . Who is going to protect the citizens from them. They take your right to bear arms away and make you dependent on them for protection kind of like drugs. You get some one hooked then you can make them do what ever you want. If you cant see what is happening here in America I pity you. The Cop thing is a symptom but the disease is much greater. Can you say Patriot Act. KC

[IronWeasel]

They take your right to bear arms away


Cops in my city don't write legislation..



Me <---- not a cop

[Shaolin Wookie]

Why does everyone automatically take a cop's side on an issue before hearing out the details, or seeing the whole vid?

In the organization I work for, I saw the same reaction when that 85 year old woman opened fire on some cops storming her house with a shotgun. Everyone said: "She should've known better than to fire on cops." Only later do we hear they had the wrong house, didn't announce themselves, and kicked down the door---and it wasn't a nice neighborhood.

Here's another one. This guy had 50 brutality charges against him before they took it seriously:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/27/police.complaints/index.html#cnnSTCText

Oh, she attacked me, that's why I faceplanted her handcuffed a$$.:rolleyes:

[IronWeasel]

Why does everyone automatically take a cop's side on an issue before hearing out the details, or seeing the whole vid?




If a cop was going to arrest me for a crime that I didn't commit, I'm not gonna squirm, fight and bite the guy. Let's get downtown, bail and get things cleared up. Cops can make arrest, that's why we pay them. i can also claim 'false arrest' later, if I have to.

Nothing says 'upstanding citizen' like thrashing around, squealing and biting.

[Shaolin Wookie]

If a cop was going to arrest me for a crime that I didn't commit, I'm not gonna squirm, fight and bite the guy. Let's get downtown, bail and get things cleared up. Cops can make arrest, that's why we pay them. i can also claim 'false arrest' later, if I have to.

Nothing says 'upstanding citizen' like thrashing around, squealing and biting.

Actually, I just saw the report, and more of the video.

I'd say the cop was well within his rights on this one. He actually had the sound presence of mind to drag her, one-armed, to the car as she becomes recalcitrant, turn on the cam, and record the proceedings, as he saw the situation was going to get much worse.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Nothing says 'upstanding citizen' like thrashing around, squealing and biting.

You'd be surprised. It's often such a shock, when you haven't done anything, that you resist--especially if you're emotional.

Then again, when I was in college, my friend and I got tackled out of nowhere by two cops and thrown onto the lawn of a frathouse we were walking past. They wrestled us to the ground (we didn't see what hit us, as they hit us from the side/behind). I struggled for a second until I heard the cop say: "You're under arrest!!"
before I stopped squirming--so even with that kind of surprise, I knew better than to move an inch.

Anyways, they were chasing two guys that were doing some kind of vandalism down the street, mistook us for them (same kind of clothing, I guess), and tackled us as they came around a corner and figured we were them. But then one of the cops spotted the real guys hauling ass down the street, and they took off after them, leaving us confused, wet (from the lawn---my friend because [as he was a foriegn exchange student on a visa] he **** near ****ed himself in panic).

It wasn't funny, but we were so relieved, we never had the gall to get indignant about it.

[kwaichang]

The THEY I refer to is our government whether Local or National. Many of the things happening in this country, the US, is paralled by pre WW II Germany and we saw what happened there as well as Russia. This as I said is just a symptom of the loss of real government , the poor shmucks who are Cops are told what to do etc. Look at the bigger pic. I have noticed the loss of rights since 1972. It cont to get worse as it gets worse so will these types of incidents by Cops. See Clip, By the way the normal ROM of the shoulder for anyone was exceeded in that clip that girl will have many shoulder problems in the future due to this incident. To borrow a phrase from the 60's
down with the establishment. KC

[BoulderDawg]

Apparently the news is just coming in. I've only seen a small article on it but it seems that a cop in Wisconsin has went totally nuts and shot down five people. The article said he was dead too so I guess he killed himself in the end.

Yep! Nothing wrong here!

[IronWeasel]

Apparently the news is just coming in. I've only seen a small article on it but it seems that a cop in Wisconsin has went totally nuts and shot down five people. The article said he was dead too so I guess he killed himself in the end.

Yep! Nothing wrong here!



They were all probably resisting...

They're lucky they didn't get tazed first!


(...waiting patiently for the Kwaichang outburst...)

[kwaichang]

IW no outburst , just "see I told ya". As this is a MA forum I will say it like this. In Japan the MA were outlawed in Okinawa. All the Swords were taken to subjugate the citizens, much like our Gun legislation here now is going that way. They did this to subjugate the people to their rule. In Germany prior to WWII borders were set up and stop points to look for undesireables etc, much like our State trooper "road blocks" oh but wait RB's are illegal, you say, no problem lets just call them Safety Check points instead, make the people think we the Gov are doing something good. Here in tennessee many people went to Ky to buy Cigs now they fine you if you do it and bring them back across state lines. Last I checked the US is supposed to be free. NOt now. There are many many more ex. I just dont have time. KC:D

[Shaolin Wookie]

They were all probably resisting...

They're lucky they didn't get tazed first!


(...waiting patiently for the Kwaichang outburst...)

The kicker came when he tried to arrest himself and stop himself, but found himself resisting, so he decided he had to use lethal force for public saftey, and put a bullet in his brain.

[David Jamieson]

curfew law?

where is that from/ some totalitarian dictator country?

[Shaolin Wookie]

curfew law?

where is that from/ some totalitarian dictator country?

Hahaha......there's a law in most cities that prevent minors from staying out past midnight (although, since it's a city govt. issue, that law changes at their whim---but it's usually midnight).

In my opinion, it's a good law. I broke it a lot. I even ran from the cops once (after doing a little house TP'ing and egging with some HS buddies), and hid in some bushes. LOL.....

Good times......

I figure, if you're dumb enough to get caught, you generally deserve to get caught.

[David Jamieson]

Hahaha......there's a law in most cities that prevent minors from staying out past midnight (although, since it's a city govt. issue, that law changes at their whim---but it's usually midnight).

In my opinion, it's a good law. I broke it a lot. I even ran from the cops once (after doing a little house TP'ing and egging with some HS buddies), and hid in some bushes. LOL.....

Good times......

I figure, if you're dumb enough to get caught, you generally deserve to get caught.


really?

wow. so, do you guys down there have any civil liberties at all? we have no curfew laws here in canuckistan. we also have considerably less crime. go figure. :rolleyes:

[Shaolin Wookie]

really?

wow. so, do you guys down there have any civil liberties at all? we have no curfew laws here in canuckistan. we also have considerably less crime. go figure. :rolleyes:

I've never had a problem with the law. We have insane teenage driving deaths in the US, and most of 'em happen late at night, when the roads are clear, and Little Bobby is racing his brand new Mustang down some wide-open road.

As for the lack of curfew laws and crime in Canada....yeah, well, we're not exactly lining up to cross over into the great wide icy unknown. We're all sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll, you know? You guys are what? Celine Dion?

BTW, we're still waiting for an apology for letting her cross the border.:mad:

[The Willow Sword]

They havent even apologized for Bryan Adams Yet. What makes you think that they are going to do the same with Celine?;):D:p TWS

[David Jamieson]

we'll apologize for celine if you apologize for all the guns you spread around up here.

americans are simply too aggressive and adversarial. You need to stay inside your borders.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Duh, we're sending the guns so you guys can arm yourselves against Celine Dion......


Canucks, they're not the brightest hosers in the world, eh?

[David Jamieson]

we're smart enough to not live in a police state. lol

[Shaolin Wookie]

I'm from Michigan, and half my family's Cannuck.......and I like hockey....so I'm not gonna press the issue anymore.

[David Jamieson]

I'm from canada and my family is half american and oddly enough, a bunch of em live in Michigan. lol

you better not be my relative or I'm slashing up right now! :p

[The Willow Sword]

oh dont give me that happy horsecr@p that we are sending you all the guns. Canada has been a gun totin hunting country since the french and english were fighting to gain control of it. all you loyalists need to go jump in the lake and swallow a snake and come out with a belly ache.:p

TWS,Peas

[David Jamieson]

there is a doc circulating now called "starfire 45"

it basically back traces a gun that was used in the death of a kid here in canada.

yeah we got guns. long guns,m shotguns and such, but handguns? That's a rare animal in canada because the only thing they are made for is killing other humans and outside of policing, we don't think that's cool up here and we restrict the buggers for that reason.

people are too stupid to be allowed to have that kind of power. ofr gods sake don't any of you watch youtube?

that alone should show you that 9 out of 10 americans are not responsible enough to even own a handgun.

[The Willow Sword]

that alone should show you that 9 out of 10 americans are not responsible enough to even own a handgun.


I couldnt agree more. that's why we like to own AR14's and 15's and M-16's and if we are able to sweettalk the no'lifers at the gun shows an AK47.:D

we are MUCH more responsable when we own THOSE weapons:rolleyes:


Peace,TWS

[Shaolin Wookie]

Canada has been a gun totin hunting country since the french and english were fighting to gain control of it.
TWS,Peas

Yeah, but that's before they were invaded by a force they called "The Puissant" in their native tongue. Due to the infiltration of the English language, this term underwent a kind of metamorphosis as time passed. Canadians soon forgot what the term meant, and what it represented. Since it sounded like "Puss1es", they replaced the original nomenclature, and adopted a new persona.

[Shaolin Wookie]

there is a doc circulating now called "starfire 45"

it basically back traces a gun that was used in the death of a kid here in canada.

yeah we got guns. long guns,m shotguns and such, but handguns? That's a rare animal in canada because the only thing they are made for is killing other humans and outside of policing, we don't think that's cool up here and we restrict the buggers for that reason.

people are too stupid to be allowed to have that kind of power. ofr gods sake don't any of you watch youtube?

that alone should show you that 9 out of 10 americans are not responsible enough to even own a handgun.

Just Youtube search "Crazy Black Guy" and watch the ensuing madness as this dude F's up some lady's Volkswagon Beetle with a crowbar as she's trying to leave a grocery store parking lot in the full daylight of the afternoon.

And for nothing more than to prove that "he's runnin' this S@#T!!" and he's hardcore.........

What a Puissant.....

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

This one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXUFA0W_4os

This one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z4lghvWvPM&mode=related&search=

Or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAXjA9kua-s&mode=related&search=crazy%20black%20guy%20robs%20girl

How about this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0

[The Willow Sword]

This one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z4lg...elated&search

i thought that one was pretty freakin funny, all that talk and LOLOL, no money in the purse. hahah dumba$$..

TWS

[Shaolin Wookie]

I got you, you racists.

I posted a subject called "Crazy Black Guy" just to see if you'd go running over to Youtube in order to satisfy your racist prejudices and you did.



You racists.










BTW, it's the vid where the guy attacks the Volkswagon, not the other ones.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

BTW, it's the vid where the guy attacks the Volkswagon, not the other ones.

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Except it's not a VW, it's a Chevy HHR, or the Chrysler version of the same style car (God, I am imersed in this for a living, why does the name escape me?).

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Raceisum is boring.....Prejudiced against MMA, or TMA is more fun.