Lee Shing Wing Chun Family

[LoneTiger108]

I would like to introduce myself to the users of this forum, as I have noticed a distinct lack of information about my Family of Wing Chun practitioners. Lee Shing was a very humble gent, who never really taught anyone for money as he was a very successful restaurant owner in Londons Chinatown for most of his senior life.

My name is LoneTiger108, and I feel totally alone!

I have my Martial Family, based here in London, but things are very quiet at the moment as there seems to be an overwhelming push from China in the Wushu fields in the UK, which is in some ways undermining the existing Kung Fu fanatics who have been training here since as early as the 1950's. There are other teachers/uncles like Austin Goh & Joe Lee who I admire very much, but what I practice is still different.

Does anyone here know of Lee Shing (Sing Lee/Li Kam Sheng)?

I have studied under Joseph Man of the 'Jun Mo' School. I have read many articles and online information about the Lee Shing Family, but it all seems to point towards the Gulao Village and perhaps even Leung Jan himself. What I do know is that the way I was taught was 'not' like any versions I've researched but more like a complete individual and bespoke method which incorporated learning Chinese Literature and theories prior to any forms! I, and my brothers, were all pre-practitioners and were taught as teachers, apprentices and Sifu.

I ask anyone who reads this to be open minded to my ramblings, as I am a writer myself and am honestly just looking for people who are interested in hearing about something new that obviously originates from something quite old.

I am also available to answer any questions you may have about my own personal learning. I have been coaching since 2003 with my Martial Brother, as we founded The Yum Yeurng Academy to help preserve our collaborative teaching methods. I have recently atarted to take on personal students and coach demonstration teams in my spare time.

With respect,

LoneTiger108

Weblinks:
http://www.junmo.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=45
http://www.josephleewingchun.com/
http://www.austingoh.com/
http://www.alanlambwingchun.com/

[Vajramusti]

Greetings.

Do you know what happened to Joseph Cheng?

good wishes,

joy chaudhuri

[LoneTiger108]

Vajramusti, if you know the name you may be able to let me know where he is lol!

Joseph is a mystery to even his own family, as on a reprint of his Wooden Man book it was mentioned that he is 'no longer with us'. This set off the entire family as they all thought he was dead. As far as I'm aware, he is still in China and was last seen in Hong Kong and still training...

[tjwingchun]

Hello LoneTiger108, I am a student of Samuel Kwok, who also trained with Lee Sing/Shing I had the fortune to meet him once when Sifu took Yip Chun to his restaurant, 1985 I think it was when we were down that end of the country as part of Sigung's first UK seminar tour.

I remember sitting around a table with my Sifu and two Sigung! I had such a busy time putting food in Yip Chun's dish as well as Sifu's and topping everybodies tea up that I hardly had of a chance to eat much of the delicious meal.

I never had a chance to have any training with him though I have met Austin a couple of times and did 'play' chi sau with the late Eddie Yeoh's students. Apart from that I do not know much of your side of the family, nice to meet you though and hope you enjoy your time in this forum.:D

[LoneTiger108]

tjwingchun, at last I hear from someone who has actually met my SiGung! I, unfortunately, didn't even start training in Wing Chun until he had passed away so I always like to hear from people who met Lee Shing.

Thanks for sharing your experience, as I too have a great amount of respect for Sifu Kwok, or 'Uncle' as we tend to call him! I also have met Uncle on a few occassions, most memorable was at The Ip Man Tong Opening Ceremony in Foshan. He has always managed to keep Wing Chun in the limelight, especially in the Chinatown New Year displays, and his team in China really put on a great demo. Where you there?

If there is anything I can help you with in your understanding of our side of the Family, I will try my best to assist. I can't promise anything magical, as I am still quite young myself, but I did train hard back in the day and I'm forever grateful to my Sifu for teaching me how to grow as an artist. Dialogue can be so healthy, but I've seen far too many posts on here already that distract practitioners from their art. I hope I can still enjoy my time here though, but I can't honestly say how long I will last!

[tjwingchun]

most memorable was at The Ip Man Tong Opening Ceremony in Foshan. He has always managed to keep Wing Chun in the limelight, especially in the Chinatown New Year displays, and his team in China really put on a great demo. Where you there?
I was there at the Yip Man Tong opening, I was the one Yip Chun got to say a few words onstage, introduced as "Master Trevor", and I was the one in the Leicester Square Chinese New Year demos who used to break the 3x1" boards, and hold impromptu seminar/demo's around the corner in the Polar Bear Pub on the night time.

[byond1]

Lee Shing family is in good standings and have alot of great things in store for them in the future. The 2 main branchs (Austin Goh Sifu, and Joseph Lee), are both flurishing. Many DVDs have been produced by sifu Goh. Josheph Lee just came out with a DVD and is working on a series of articles detailing the Kulo aspect of his system.

Lee Shing is a very popular branch in the Europe, just simply not in the west - though almost no mainland WCK is found in the west. Lee Shing was hand picked by Yip man to teach in Europe. He actualy gave him a pair of his BOt Jam Tao swords as a symbol of this. Yip Chun when visiting Lee Sigung many years later, saw his fathers swords and got very emotional. On his second trip he brought Lee Sigung a very nice pair of swords to keep company the swords that Yip man passed on. (according to Yip Chun, and oral traditions passed down from Lee Shing)

Lee Shings branch is very unique as not only does it teach the Yip Man system, but it also teachs the Kulo Pian San System. I think it adds a richness to the WCK world~

My WCK history research group, AWCKRI, in fact has a member of the LEe Shing family. Check out some of our information and I hope you enjoy

www.wingchunpedia.org


Brian

[LoneTiger108]

Lee Shing is a very popular branch in the Europe, just simply not in the west - though almost no mainland WCK is found in the west. Lee Shing was hand picked by Yip man to teach in Europe.

Just a quick note on this comment by byond1.

First off, thanks for your insight. Its nice to read every now and then about how Lee Shing inherited the knives from Yip Man. I would only like to point out that Lee Shings teachings were kept very much within London, mainly Chinatown, and it has only really been future grand-students who have spread the art throughout Europe. Considering this, London played its part in the Wing Chun history more so than any other place in the World, mainly because this is where Lee Shing settled and done business. He had 'many' students who went on to become Sifus and Austin Goh and Joe Lee are, by far, the most popular.

Also I would like to say that Lee Shings way of teaching was completely individual, according to the stories I've heard. Not one student learnt in the same manner as another, so his Wing Chun was uniquely his own.

He honoured Yip Man by attempting to teach within the guidelines set in Hong Kong, but his students were eager to learn his own personal style. This is where the 'Pien San' and 'Gulao' versions enter the frame. All in all, I'd like to say it's just Leung Jan Family, but I think it still may go back further in time.

All to be discussed and researched with the help of forums and threads like this one. Can you help?

[LoneTiger108]

My WCK history research group, AWCKRI, in fact has a member of the LEe Shing family. Check out some of our information and I hope you enjoy

www.wingchunpedia.org

Brian

Brian,

I just noticed that there is nobody representing Lee Shing among your directors. Please tell me I missed something...

[byond1]

Hi

Perhaps I forgot to update the info?? Let me check!

B

[russellsherry]

hi lone tiger and others re joe cheung last year my guro david foogie had a english arnis teacher out for semminars he said joeship is alive and was working in the sudan somewere peace russell sherry

[byond1]

Thanks for the keen eye for detail. All updated!

B

[LoneTiger108]

Thanks for the keen eye for detail. All updated!B

Thanks for looking into that for me, I noticed my 'Cousin' there is Olivier form Kings College! What a small World it is...

[Snake and Crane]

Hi there Lone Tiger 108,

My name is Alan from Australia. It seems that you have found another of your distant relative of Lee Shing. We all belong to the Chiu Van Lineage.

Lee Shing was one of the first group of disciples of Chiu Van in Hong Kong but he had studied other styles of Wing Chun Kung Fu back in Fo Shan (Buddha Mountain) China.

Joseph Cheng was his outstanding disciple. If I am not wrong, Joseph Cheng should be in his 60s now. He used to be the personal body guard of a once Saudi Arabian Prince. So there should be some trace of his teachings in Saudi Arabia.

My Sifu is Lee Man Kit. He is the sole indoor disciple of Chiu Van in the 1960s. Now Chiu Van's son is teaching in Hong Kong.

One day I hope to organize a family reunion of the Chiu Van's group and of course with every kung fu relatives' help.

Lee Man Kit was a younger kung fu brother of Lee Shing but he spent most of the time with Chiu Van and Yip Man.

In real fact Chiu Van is not a student of Yip Man but the closest of all friends. It would be a really long story if anybody wishes to know.

I am now teaching the Chiu Van's Wing Chun under the name of Lee's International Wing Chun after my Sifu's surname.

Hardly in the past had Chiu Van discussed his affairs with anybody except with Yip Man and Lee Man Kit. There were happy and sad days about them in the past.

Neither has many people hear of us because Lee Man Kit never used to teach. If anybody is interest to organize any seminars overseas, we would be very interested to hold one to fully explain one of the last branch of Wing Chun Kung Fu.

From observation, I hope it is no offence to any Wing Chun Seniors, some current instructors in the world has studied privately with Chiu Van.

I am very sure that Si Sok Fred Kwok would be very proud of being Chiu Van's student. Si Sok Jason Lau is one of my idol instructors.

Through this forum, I also wish to contact and correspond with any body of Chiu Van's Lineage. My Sifu Lee Man Kit is more happy to meet you all.

[LoneTiger108]

Hi there Lone Tiger 108,

My name is Alan from Australia. It seems that you have found another of your distant relative of Lee Shing. We all belong to the Chiu Van Lineage.

Lee Shing was one of the first group of disciples of Chiu Van in Hong Kong but he had studied other styles of Wing Chun Kung Fu back in Fo Shan (Buddha Mountain) China.

Joseph Cheng was his outstanding disciple. If I am not wrong, Joseph Cheng should be in his 60s now. He used to be the personal body guard of a once Saudi Arabian Prince. So there should be some trace of his teachings in Saudi Arabia...

...Through this forum, I also wish to contact and correspond with any body of Chiu Van's Lineage. My Sifu Lee Man Kit is more happy to meet you all.

Hey Alan (Cousin?) It's so good to hear from someone from the Chiu Van family, as I was beginning to think that the old 'Values' within our styles current culture were being lost to the younger MMA attitude of 'it just better work, don't care where it comes from' type thing!

Chiu Van (Jiu Wan as I would normally write in my 'yokel' village script!!) was indeed a massive influence on Lee Shings learning, as far as I know, and he was also the kind gent who introduced Lee Shing to Yip Man. I aslo know of the families you mention from Foshan, who obviously had a slightly less modernized version of this style than Yip Mans HK teachings. I love to see the variations, as I have a genuine interest in our heritage which others seem to dismiss so easily as myth and legend.

I was fortunate to meet with a group of Jiu Wans at The Yip Man Tong Opening, along with my brother and Simo. Even the famous actor Ti Lung was interested in us and payed us a lot of respect, almost bullying his guys to be friendly to these 'gweilo' as they're 'real'!! I've always known that a true Masters talents will be recognized by the oldskool and this was just one occassion I witnessed first-hand.

Thanks for the comments regarding Joseph Cheng! Yes, he was the most 'famous' Lee Shing student, but he was still very young when he became a Sifu, like many others at the time. My Sifu has fond memories of them in the early days, especially when the first ever 'Wooden Man' book was created and published in 1977!! This was also the main reason Joseph Cheng became so famous, but that book was a team effort, a family guidebook and a real treasure of Lee Shing as he personally helped with the content.

So, whats left to say is 'thank you' for introducing yourself here, and I hope the day comes when we can all meet and exchange ideas on History/Traditions/Style & Training. Please pass on my regards to your Sifu, Lee Man Kit and the Family in Austrailia...

[Snake and Crane]

Hi there again Lone Tiger 108,

Thanks for your reply. When you mentioned Ti Lung, he is my Sifu's most favourite younger kung fu brother.

To update our activities here, Sifu Lee Man Kit will be returning to Hong Kong to make connection with Chiu Van's son who went back to HK about 2 years ago. In fact Chiu Van's whole family is in Canada.

If there is any future personal correspondance with me, please email me at:

kwongkungfu@gmail.com

Keep in touch and I have no hessitation in any queries you would send to me.

Alan

[LoneTiger108]

Thanks for your reply. When you mentioned Ti Lung, he is my Sifu's most favourite younger kung fu brother.

I also should have mentioned Lee Hoi Suen!!! As he was with Ti Lung at the opening and they were so friendly (well, to us they were lol!) It is also crazy that Jiu Wans family is in Canada, as this was the final destination of Lee Shing and his family are still there, somewhere!

Looks like my annual 'China Trip' may soon become a 'Canada Trip' eh! I was always under the impression that certain knowledge had already left the Motherland...

[LoneTiger108]

Due to Lee Shing being virtually unheard of in the USA, I would like to add these links to websites promoting this family of Wing Chun:

http://www.junmo.co.uk/index.php?opt...d=30&Itemid=45
http://www.josephleewingchun.com/
http://www.austingoh.com/

There is now a Facebook Group of Lee Shing Wing Chun students!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5646373803

If anybody knows of any more sites or resources (other than the wcarchive) that present this family of Wing Chun, I would be grateful if you add them to this thread.

[Vajramusti]

Lee Sing's wc may not be as unknown as you seem to think. Alan Lamb- one of the first if not the first Brit. sifu- learned from Lee Sing, and Joseph Cheng- as well as from Paul Lam, Koo Sang and others. Alan Lamb moved to the US many years ago- first to NY and later to California.
Your devotion to your version of the art is understandable.

I have evolved in one of the major IpMan lines- but not using the rings does not mean there is a flaw in what we do.Similarly, no problem if you see some benefit in the ring. Thanks for sharing your views ina mostly civil discussion.

Joy Chaudhuri

[LoneTiger108]

Lee Sing's wc may not be as unknown as you seem to think. Alan Lamb- one of the first if not the first Brit. sifu- learned from Lee Sing, and Joseph Cheng- as well as from Paul Lam, Koo Sang and others. Alan Lamb moved to the US many years ago- first to NY and later to California.
Your devotion to your version of the art is understandable.

I have evolved in one of the major IpMan lines- but not using the rings does not mean there is a flaw in what we do.Similarly, no problem if you see some benefit in the ring. Thanks for sharing your views ina mostly civil discussion.

Joy Chaudhuri

Thank you for the kind words. I was waiting for someone to tell me about Alan, as I 'think' I met him once at the Senishow here in the UK! He's not the only one in the USA either, as a Sihing has recently informed me that he is now in California. Small World really.

No intention to imply any 'flaws' really, on any side of the argument, just an honest query as this was a very special piece of equipment for me. Even my seniors had never even 'seen' it practised, but this may be more due to lack of funds to design/produce a quality ring. Even I started with some mad bendy bamboo, before we found a Rattan specialist lol!

Alan Lamb may have been the first Sifu 'recognised' by Joseph Cheng, but definately not the only western student under Lee Shing. Even Sifu Dave Lea (aka Batman!) was trained by Lee Shing for a while. Most just 'passed through', very few teach today and the few that do will definately remember a significant difference in families...

http://www.alanlambwingchun.com/

[MrBump]

Hi guys - really interesting thread.

I've had an interest in Lee Shing for years, all the time that I've been involved in Wing Chun in the UK. I believe that what I know comes from Lee Shing, given that Simon Lau is a part of my lineage.

Does anyone know what the relationship was between Simon Lau and Lee Shing? I don't know Simon Lau, but I believe that he may have studied with Lee Shing, and also with Ip Man in Hong Kong. Can anyone clarify this?

Thanks in advance.

Mark.

[Vajramusti]

Using standard definition of "studied", I doubt that Simon Lau studied with Ip Man.

Joy Chaudhuri

[MrBump]

Any particular reason for that assertion?

Mark.

[LoneTiger108]

Does anyone know what the relationship was between Simon Lau and Lee Shing? I don't know Simon Lau, but I believe that he may have studied with Lee Shing, and also with Ip Man in Hong Kong. Can anyone clarify this?

Thanks in advance.

Mark.

Hey Mark! Thanks for the comments about the thread, I do try and keep things on subject and fortunately just the 'title' of this one deters many known trolls lol! Many people seem to dislike the term 'family', but I can only hope this is a small minority.

In answer to your question, yes Simon Lau knew Lee Shing and was associated with the Ip Man Martial Arts Athletic Association but I don't think that he was actually 'taught' by any of them. I can confirm this by discussion with some of the elders I know, but I think I'm right here. Having a 'Sifu' was a pretty big thing for anyone back then, and I believe Sifu Lau was connected to another source in Foshan from childhood. Similar look in all honesty to Lee Shing family, but most internet info will align Sifu Lau to learning from monks.

Looking online also gives doesn't me any information that matches what was online a year ago as he has 'named' his Sifu on previous sites. Now, on the wcarchive he is listed as Ip Man/Lee Shing, so make from that what you wish.

Some of my Sihings were his students a long time ago, and when we entered the Lee Shing family they were accepted because of his connection to Sifu Lau, so he is obviously held in high regard.

I hope this helps in some way, but I'm sure others may know more... I do have one question:


I believe that what I know comes from Lee Shing, given that Simon Lau is a part of my lineage.

What is your 'Hoi Sik' (Opening Set)? This would normally identify anyone connected to Lee Shing Family...

[Vajramusti]

Any particular reason for that assertion?
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Lack of evidence. Unless other evidence appears.

joy chaudhuri

[MrBump]

That's great, thanks for the info.

As for opening set, do you mean SLT? It's very much in the Ip Man vein, although the initial Chi Kung movements terminate in a tarn sau, which doesn't seem to be present in the Ip Man lineage.

Do you recall what sifu Simon Lau named?

Cheers.

Mark.

[LoneTiger108]

No I'm not referring to your Siu Lim Tao (although if you were a Lee Shing student our Hoi Sik is 'attached' to the beginning)

What I'm asking is simple. Do you start all forms with a 'cross-arm'? If so, this is Ip Man 'branch'. Lee Shing had his own 'salutation'.

As for Sifu Laus teachers name, I don't want to get it wrong so I'll ask a few people first. You may find it on his newly designed website:

http://www.simonlaucentre.co.uk/

[MrBump]

OK, I get you.

Yes, very much the "crossed over arms" at the start of our forms.

Thanks for your insight.

Mark.

[tjwingchun]

Using standard definition of "studied", I doubt that Simon Lau studied with Ip Man.

Joy Chaudhuri

From what I have been told Simon Lau claims to have trained with Yip Man alongside Bruce Lee, (he still tries to get away with this Yip Man connection today), this comes from his self promotion in the 70's and early 80's, the period when Bruce Lee was actually studying with Yip Man is well before the time Simon states he began his Wing Chun.

I have been told by several of his early students he regularly made these claims, of course back in the early days who was there around to deny him, much in the same way William Cheung and Leung Ting made claims that they were the only true source of Yip Man Wing Chun, only after he died of course.

The past is for the historians to sort out and document, I prefer looking and defining Wing Chun as a science and leave the heritage arguments and 'who taught who' in the politics and ego pile.

Though saying that my Wing Chun 'family' are important to me, but only in how I can help them, not by trying to feed off them.

As far as Simon's Lee Shing connection, that was where he met my Sifu who was also a student at the same time. This was around the time when Joseph Cheng who was the main student and Eddie Yeoh, Austin Goh and Nigel Fan were training.

[MrBump]

Thanks - again, all very useful.

But I still want to know what he learned and from where...

:confused:

[LoneTiger108]

As far as Simon's Lee Shing connection, that was where he met my Sifu who was also a student at the same time. This was around the time when Joseph Cheng who was the main student and Eddie Yeoh, Austin Goh and Nigel Fan were training.

Pretty accurate info given there yet again tj! Missed a few names (like my Sifu lol!), but the earlier generations were not 'public' teachers I suppose.

Has anyone ever considered that because Sifu Lau was actually 'from' the mainland he 'had' to go through Ip Man in order to teach here in the UK. Obviously for this to happen, someone had to vouch for him and maybe that was Lee Shings role. Now I don't know this for fact, but I have heard it along the way, as it may have been required for most Sifus to be registered in Hong Kong.

Registration, even then, didn't always mean that you were actually taught by Master Ip Man.

[MrBump]

I guess that makes sense to me too...

TJ - who is your sifu, if you don't mind me asking?

Mark.

[tjwingchun]

Sorry LoneTiger108 only mentioned ones off the top of my head that I knew of , never had the good fortune to meet Joseph but heard a lot about from Sifu, nor Nigel but have met Austin a couple of times and visited Eddie's Kwoon back in 1985 ish (brain cells not what they used to be). I remember a pleasant day 'playing' chi sau, not too much blood flowing, and none mine though lol.

MrBump if you open your eyes you can see below my Sifu's web site :eek:

Samuel Kwok, I am his most senior UK student still teaching under his association.

[MrBump]

Eyes are open.

Thanks very much.

Mark.

[tjwingchun]

Eyes are open.

Thanks very much.

Mark.

Your welcome!

By the way if you wish quicker answers my messenger contact in in my profile I believe.

[LoneTiger108]

To get this thread back on track, I would like to share with you all a small clip of the Jun Mo Wing Chun Demonstration at Seni 2001.

Taken from my Sifus website this demo was put together by Sifu Mans eldest students at the time and was designed to showcase different areas of practice like Forms, Equipment, Interactions and Weaponry. Obviously we knew at the time that many may have difficulty relating to us as a serious Wing Chun school as we dressed in traditional uniforms, set our Siu Lim Tao 'on top' of a Wooden Man and showed our equipment like the rattan rings and stick for the first time at a major event. Yes, I said 'first time', and this was as late as 2003!

Comments and questions are very welcome...

http://www.junmo.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=107
(click on 'Combat Martial Arts - Seni 2001')

[Vajramusti]

Thanks for the link and for sharing.
Enjoyed the slt and the stick and rattan demos.
The demos were gracefully done.


joy chaudhuri

[LoneTiger108]

Discussions are happening at the moment by three of the eldest Lee Shing students Joseph Man, Austin Goh and Joe Lee in preparation for a small family get together which looks like it will be happening towards the end of May 2009 in Londons Chinatown.

For more info on Lee Shing Wing Chun, or if you would like to book a place at this event please link to www.leeshing.org.uk

[LoneTiger108]

Thanks for the link and for sharing.
Enjoyed the slt and the stick and rattan demos.
The demos were gracefully done.

Thanks for the compliments Joy :)

As another point of discussion, I recently caught this clip on Youtube of Sifu Gianfranco Pompianu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo4afixOv-Q&feature=related

I have rarely seen a student perform the whole set known to Lee Shing Family as Dai Nim Tao and I would welcome any comments.

Personally, I appreciate the form but never thought it to be a secret. I've seen it but rarely talked about it. I understand it but can not teach it.

Has anyone here learnt Dai Nim Tao or similar methods/san sik?

[Yoshiyahu]

Do you guys know anything about these other forms? Have you guys ever practice them?


Dai Lim Tao


Wing Chun Fourth Form


Wing Chun Competition Form



Wing Chun Kicking Form


Advanced Siu Lim Tao


What do you think about the other forms?

[WarriorWC]

Lone Tiger, it looks to be an expansion of Siu Lim Tao and is very interesting!! Indeed. It looks like ot carries variations and combinations of set wing chun arms (low Bong Sau) and has a good flow to it. I like it........

[chusauli]

As another point of discussion, I recently caught this clip on Youtube of Sifu Gianfranco Pompianu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo4afixOv-Q&feature=related

Has anyone here learnt Dai Nim Tao or similar methods/san sik?

It is all in Gu Lao WCK...

[WarriorWC]

Indeed it is........

[LSWCTN1]

Discussions are happening at the moment by three of the eldest Lee Shing students Joseph Man, Austin Goh and Joe Lee in preparation for a small family get together which looks like it will be happening towards the end of May 2009 in Londons Chinatown.

For more info on Lee Shing Wing Chun, or if you would like to book a place at this event please link to www.leeshing.org.uk

I spoke with Joseph Lee on Tuesday evening, and the May event is almost certainly cancelled. I believe SiFu Goh is in Italy? teaching students out there at the end of May now.

There is however an event on 22nd August at Austin Goh's London Bridge school. Joseph Man, Austin Goh and Joseph Lee will be teaching there. Early discussions look like SiFu Goh will teach chi gung, and Joseph Lee and Joseph Man will be teaching sticky hands and drills between them?

For more details i think Austin Goh's website is the way to go

3pm onwards. only £30 each i think too.

[WarriorWC]

Checked his site and no mention. Can you lket us know further details.....

[LoneTiger108]

I spoke with Joseph Lee on Tuesday evening, and the May event is almost certainly cancelled. I believe SiFu Goh is in Italy? teaching students out there at the end of May now.

There is however an event on 22nd August at Austin Goh's London Bridge school. Joseph Man, Austin Goh and Joseph Lee will be teaching there. Early discussions look like SiFu Goh will teach chi gung, and Joseph Lee and Joseph Man will be teaching sticky hands and drills between them?

For more details i think Austin Goh's website is the way to go

3pm onwards. only £30 each i think too.

Thanks for the info! Yet again, the word gets around before anything concrete is decided :rolleyes:

It's so good to hear these three Sifus have deceided to actually teach together at a Seminar, and it should be a great eye-opener for anyone who is into Wing Chun and/or Lee Shing Family.

I may HAVE to be at this one, so I'm looking forward to catching up with familiar faces and hopefully meeting some new ones too.


It is all in Gu Lao WCK...

Agreed 100% :) Although I personally have never classified Lee Shing as being strictly Gulao Wing Chun, as he isn't, there are some things that hold the mainland flavour. I wouldn't name a village as the reason why. More like a mans personal journey through his country and the style imho.

All Sifus learnt individually from Lee Shing, and Austin, Joe and Joseph all have distinct approaches to their Wing Chun. The Seminar should be very interesting indeed...

[LSWCTN1]

Thanks for the info! Yet again, the word gets around before anything concrete is decided :rolleyes:



hi Spencer, i hope i havent upset anything here - i was asked to get participants so i thought that this would be the quickest way to do that

the information i was given sounded conrete enough, the only variation (as i was told) would be the content - possibly

be good to catch up again - hopefully a little more 'hands-on' than the last time we met!

[WarriorWC]

LSWCTN1 - Please keep us informed it would be great to attend an event.

[LSWCTN1]

of course - as far as i know that is confirmed? if anything changes i will let you know

Austin Goh's London Bridge school
August 22nd 3pm
about 3 hours? seminar

[LoneTiger108]

hi Spencer, i hope i havent upset anything here - i was asked to get participants so i thought that this would be the quickest way to do that

the information i was given sounded conrete enough, the only variation (as i was told) would be the content - possibly

be good to catch up again - hopefully a little more 'hands-on' than the last time we met!

No harm done! Actually it's nice to see that people are talking to be honest ;)

I'm working on some new promotional stuff and will update the site soon (leeshing.org.uk) whilst trying to get the details confirmed. It will be interesting to see this event through as it does signify some dramatic changes to the Lee Shing family. This will be a 'first' for the UK.

[LoneTiger108]

LEE SHING FAMILY SEMINAR

Only a few weeks to go, so if you are interested in attending there are a number of ways to log your interest;

1. Visit www.leeshing.org.uk and email your name and how many places you want to reserve, especially for people who have yet to train inside the family.

2. Contact either Austin Goh, Joe Lee or Joseph Man through their websites - ONLY if you have trained with them!

www.austingoh.com
www.josephleewingchun.com
www.junmo.co.uk

3. Or email me directly with your enquiry at

kfm@flystudio.co.uk

This is only the FIRST Seminar/Gathering to happen with all three 'Kung Fu Brothers', and according to recent meetings, it will not be the last! So, don't worry if you can not attend as there will be future opportunities in the UK, Europe and even in the USA and Canada!

I'm personally looking forward to the event, and hope to meet some family members throughout the day as, although we have all been around for a time now, we have yet to have our teachers work together before so it's all new to everyone!

I'll try to get about a bit on the day, and take some video for our Facebook Group.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5646373803

[Lee Chiang Po]

The youngest of my 5 brothers is Lee Sing. Or Sing Lee by western name. He is 3 years my senior. He is obviously not the same Lee Sing of the UK. He lives in New York. He practices Hung Fa as I do. He would never teach it to anyone other than his own.

[LoneTiger108]

... He would never teach it to anyone other than his own.

I guess you're talking of your brother here? ;)

Maybe you can help me here LCP, as being from the 'Lee' family (as in the surname!) you must have researched your own heritage? Would your own family have links to the ancient Lee clans? One of the five families?

[Lee Chiang Po]

I am sure that you know that Lee is the most common name in all Asia? Specially in Korea. To answer your question, I have no idea. I know the name goes way the heck back there. I had an old uncle in New York that had a family tree chart that went back 25 generations. I was very young and had absolutely no interest in such things at the time. I do sometimes wish I could go back now and talk of these things more. Anyone that would have all this information in the family would be gone by now I suppose. His tree had nothing but Lee. The daughters were not shown past marriage.
Yes, Sing is the next youngest. I am youngest. Then Jimm. Jimm is about 70 now, but could walk faster than most men could run. He could jump clear over my head. But then I am only a bit over 5 feet tall.

[LoneTiger108]

LEE SHING FAMILY SEMINAR

Saturday 22nd August 2009
London Bridge
2-5pm


Only a week to go, so if you are interested in attending there are a number of ways to log your interest;

1. Visit www.leeshing.org.uk and email your name and how many places you want to reserve, especially for people who have yet to train inside the family.

2. Contact either Austin Goh, Joe Lee or Joseph Man through their websites - ONLY if you have trained with them!

www.austingoh.com
www.josephleewingchun.com
www.junmo.co.uk

3. Or email me directly with your enquiry at

kfm@flystudio.co.uk

This is only the FIRST Seminar/Gathering to happen with all three 'Kung Fu Brothers', and according to recent meetings, it will not be the last! So, don't worry if you can not attend as there will be future opportunities in the UK, Europe and even in the USA and Canada!

I'm personally looking forward to the event, and hope to meet some family members throughout the day as, although we have all been around for a time now, we have yet to have our teachers work together before so it's all new to everyone!

I'll try to get about a bit on the day, and take some video for our Facebook Group.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5646373803

[LoneTiger108]

LEE SHING FAMILY SEMINAR

The Seminar was a great success, with over 140 students, instructors and sifus attending from all three schools.

Hosted by Master Austin Goh, he began the day with an exhibition of the Kicking Form and continued to breakdown each technique into short interactive exercises which everybody attempted and enjoyed. With regular interventions and disucussions of the sets being introduced, the whole room was soon immersed into the spirit of the day.

Master Joe Lee presented two of his students, who demonstrated stick to stick and knife to stick interactions with an empy hand interactive set which had a unique mainland flavour. He then continued to introduce various sticky hand exercises and applications from Chum Kil and Biu Jee forms which got everybody testing their skill with eachother.

Finally, Master Joseph Man gave a short speech about his introduction to Lee Shing Wing Chun by showcasing a simple technique which was what was referred to as 'Lee Shings Logo'. Assisted by two Sifus and a hand-out for participants to study, he demonstrated the effectiveness of the 'Hammer Fist' and it's application. The whole room was buzzing with shouts and sweat from this intense drill "Lien Siu Dai Da!"

To round off the day, Master Goh shared a Qi Gong cooling down excercise and continued to reminded everybody why we were here with an emotional thank you and a minute silence in memory of our Grand Master Lee Shing.

A big thank you to everybody for their efforts throughout the day, and a special mention must go to the KCL Wing Chun club for offering their student digs for the day!

It was a gret day for exchange, and hopes are good for the future of the Lee Shing Wing Chun Family.

http://www.austingoh.com
http://www.josephleewingchun.com
http://www.junmo.co.uk

http://www.freewebs.com/kclwingchun

http://www.leeshing.org.uk

The Lee Shing Wing Chun Family on Facebook!
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=5646373803

[LoneTiger108]

I have been honoured to be an active part of our families activities lately, and proud to promote our Christmas events on behalf of my Sifu and Kung Fu Uncles, Brothers, Sisters and Cousins!

If any of you are interested in learning more about us or would like to contribute to one of our events, please contact me directly through my email kfm@flystudio.co.uk



CHRISTMAS DINNER IN LONDONS CHINATOWN

Hosted by Sifu Austin Goh

Saturday 5th December 2010

Contact Austin for more info through Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/?sk=ru&ap=1#!/profile.php?id=650015319


CHRISTMAS BUFFET & PARTY

Hosted by Sifu Joseph Man

Saturday 11th December 2010

For more info check out the event on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=135493439835941&index=1


I'm also looking at promoting a unique Wing Chun event in London over Chinese New Year, which will be including other families and practitioners for the first time.

I will post more details as and when I get them... :)

[LoneTiger108]

I haven't posted anything here in a while but seeing as I am being asked so many questions about my Sigung Lee Shing I thought it may be better for me to publish his 'official' Biography here.

An original article was written by Sifu Joseph Lee and presented on his website a few years ago now, and he has shared this on Facebook with my Sifu Joseph Man with more recent edits and adjustments.

"When Grandmaster Lee Shing passed away in 1991 he was European and U.K President of the Yip Man Martial Arts Association and founder of the International Lee Shing Wing Chun Martial Arts Association. He was also a member of the Hong Kong Kowloon Chinese Medical Association and was a qualified Chinese doctor. These positions are testimony to a lifetime's dedication to Wing Chun and his impact on the development of Wing Chun in Europe has been very significant and yet it is a largely untold story. Outside of the Chinese martial arts community and the top circles of other martial arts styles, few know of his great achievements. In most books on Wing Chun, Grandmaster Lee Shing receives barely a mention yet, as shall be seen, his contribution was very important. This article is intended as a tribute to the great ability and skill of the Late Grandmaster Lee Shing as a Wing Chun practitioner and teacher. It provides a brief outline of his career and his students and is designed to honour his memory.

Grandmaster Lee Shing was born in 1923 in Hoxan in Southern China. He first studied Gulao (Pien San) Wing Chun at an early age in mainland China under his first teacher Fong Yee Ming, who himself had learnt from Wong Wah Sam who had learnt from Leung Jan. Lee Shing was a keen disciple and was inspired to research the different styles of Wing Chun, He therefore, in his research, went on to study under Fung Sang who was one of the central points of Pien San Wing Chun, having studied under his father Fung Lim and his uncle Koo Siu-Lung (both students of Wong Wah Sam). He then went on to learn from the famous Kung Fu Master Ng Jung So.

After the Second World War, Lee Shing moved to Hong Kong where he met and became friends and eventually the business partner of two Wing Chun experts, Lok Yiu and Jiu Wan. They were two of the four leading practicioners of Wing Chun in Hong Kong who became known in Wing Chun circles as the four 'Kings of Wing Chun'. The other two were Leung Sheung and Tsui Shan Tin. It was not long before an exchange of ideas and comparison of styles took place between Lee Shing, Lok Yiu and Jiu Wan.

While working in their offices, an older gentleman entered wearing the traditional Chinese dress. Lee Shing noticed that the others greeted the man very respectfully, so much so that he was curious to know who he was. Later they all sat to play Mah Jog (a traditional Chinese gambling game). It was then that the stranger was revealed to be none other than Grandmaster Yip Man, the teacher of the 'four kings' of Wing Chun; In-fact Lok Yiu, a former master of another kung fu style, was Grandmaster Yip Man's first student in Hong Kong. Lee Shing was formally introduced by Jiu Wan to Grandmaster Yip Man. At the time Grandmaster Yip Man was teaching Wing Chun in Hong Kong's Restaurant Workers' Union. Lee Shing was fortunate enough to be accepted by Grandmaster Yip Man as a student and received instruction privately from him on a one-to-one basis. He was known only to Grandmaster Yip Man's senior students and later to Grandmaster Yip Man's eldest son Yip Chun.

Over the years, Grandmaster Yip Man taught Lee Shing the complete Wing Chun system. He had mastered the three hand forms, the wooden dummy form, the six-and-a-half point pole form and most importantly of all Grandmaster Yip Man had taught Lee Shing the complete butterfly knife form and its applications. This last form was of particular importance as it represented the highest point of learning in Wing Chun. At the time Grandmaster Yip Man had taught only three people the complete knife form. He was allowed to open up a school on Hong Kong Island in the early 50s - with the opening ceremony being conducted by Grandmaster Yip Man himself. It was at this time that Lee Shing met Yip Chun who had resumed his studies in Wing Chun. The two became firm friends and henceforth when Yip Chun came to England, he would always stay at Lee Shing's home.

Grandmaster Lee Shing with his student Joseph Cheng was a key figure in promoting the art of Wing Chun at this time. He had begun studying under Grandmaster Lee Shing in 1965 and was the first person to teach Wing Chun openly in the U.K., opening the first Wing Chun School in Europe in 1970. In 1976, with Grandmaster Lee Shing's blessing, Joseph Cheng wrote the first book ever published on the hitherto secret techniques of the wooden dummy form of Wing Chun called 'Chong Woo Kwan Wing Chun' - The Art of Simultaneous Defence and Attack'.

Other students of Grandmaster Lee Shing had begun to teach and open schools. Eddie Yeoh has a Wing Chun school run by some of his senior students. He currently runs an actors agency in the U.K. Nigel Fan, (who passed away recently) was the first and only Chinese qualified stuntman in the U.K. also studied under Grandmaster Lee Shing. He had established many Wing Chun instructors and had a Wing Chun school in London.

Grandmaster Lee Shing brought Wing Chun to Europe and was a major influence on the development of Wing Chun in the western world, for many years Grandmaster Lee Shing had a close friendship with Grandmaster Yip Chun, eldest son of Yip Man. There was great mutual respect on both sides. After Grandmaster Yip Chun's arrival in Hong Kong from China they were introduced in the famous Yang's restaurant by Grandmaster Yip Man. Whenever he visited the U.K. Grandmaster Yip Chun would visit Grandmaster Lee Shing and stay in his house as an honoured guest to discuss amongst other things the further promotion of Wing Chun in U.K. and Europe.

Sadly Grandmaster Lee Shing passed away in 1991 and since that time Joseph Man and Joseph Lee has begun to follow in his Master's footsteps and teach openly the art of Wing Chun.

This article is dedicated to honour the memory of Grandmaster Lee Shing, the Wing Chun Family especially of the Lee Shing lineage. He lives on through the spirit and practise of all of his students and their teachings. It is hoped that his great skill and learning will be better understood. He taught not simply how to be skilful in the art of Wing Chun but how to develop the respect and discipline that is essential for all those who practice martial arts. His place in the history of Wing Chun is secure.

Though he was always one to shun the spotlight, the late Grandmaster Lee Shing should be given full credit for bringing the Chinese martial art of Wing Chun to United Kingdom. Thanks to him, a whole new generation of kung fu instructors have spread the art far and wide. Those who trained under the grandmaster are many and varied. They include Hau Bin Sum, Chan Man Kune, Joseph Cheng, Joseph Man, Eddie Yeoh, Sam Kwok, Simon Lau, Nigel Fan, Austin Goh and of course Joseph Lee."

[LoneTiger108]

A family member put up a little edit on Facebook this week, showing some of Lee Shings Wing Chun forms. If you can read Chinese, you should recognize what it says on the right hand side...

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/video/video.php?v=111890652234384&oid=153412808013525&comments

[LoneTiger108]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/photo.php?fbid=121721964575600&set=a.121721927908937.31083.100002133906011&type=1&theater

A great historical picture (1974) shared by Paul Thompson on Facebook :)

[Runlikehell]

I think you've got Leung Sheung and Lok Yiu switched in parts of that biography. As far as I know, Leung Sheung was Yip Man's first formal student and a former master of another kung fu style.

Of course, if I'm incorrect I'm happy to be corrected.

A very good, interesting biography otherwise.

[LoneTiger108]

I think you've got Leung Sheung and Lok Yiu switched in parts of that biography. As far as I know, Leung Sheung was Yip Man's first formal student and a former master of another kung fu style.

I actually thought Leung Sheung was a HK student. First of Ip Mans HK generation sure, but Lok Yiu was his elder. Maybe someone can help here too?

[Vajramusti]

Leung shun started a little earlier than Lok Yiu in Hong kong. and several others were in the first batch of students. Ho Kam ming was in the second batch of students.

joy chaudhuri

[lance]

I would like to introduce myself to the users of this forum, as I have noticed a distinct lack of information about my Family of Wing Chun practitioners. Lee Shing was a very humble gent, who never really taught anyone for money as he was a very successful restaurant owner in Londons Chinatown for most of his senior life.

My name is LoneTiger108, and I feel totally alone!

I have my Martial Family, based here in London, but things are very quiet at the moment as there seems to be an overwhelming push from China in the Wushu fields in the UK, which is in some ways undermining the existing Kung Fu fanatics who have been training here since as early as the 1950's. There are other teachers/uncles like Austin Goh & Joe Lee who I admire very much, but what I practice is still different.

Does anyone here know of Lee Shing (Sing Lee/Li Kam Sheng)?

I have studied under Joseph Man of the 'Jun Mo' School. I have read many articles and online information about the Lee Shing Family, but it all seems to point towards the Gulao Village and perhaps even Leung Jan himself. What I do know is that the way I was taught was 'not' like any versions I've researched but more like a complete individual and bespoke method which incorporated learning Chinese Literature and theories prior to any forms! I, and my brothers, were all pre-practitioners and were taught as teachers, apprentices and Sifu.

I ask anyone who reads this to be open minded to my ramblings, as I am a writer myself and am honestly just looking for people who are interested in hearing about something new that obviously originates from something quite old.

I am also available to answer any questions you may have about my own personal learning. I have been coaching since 2003 with my Martial Brother, as we founded The Yum Yeurng Academy to help preserve our collaborative teaching methods. I have recently atarted to take on personal students and coach demonstration teams in my spare time.

With respect,

LoneTiger108

Weblinks:
http://www.junmo.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=45
http://www.josephleewingchun.com/
http://www.austingoh.com/
http://www.alanlambwingchun.com/

LoneTiger108 ,

Hello , welcome to the forum , anyway I came across of Lee Shing wing chun in the other topic thread . Ip Man and What he said , then the WC sifus you mentioned came out in the Ip Man and What he said topic thread , like austin goh , duncan leung if I ' m not mistaken .

Anyway , I myself would like to know about the lee shing wing chun lineage too , and I think someone is teaching it , I just forgot the name it ' s all at the everythingwing chun.com , the website which features all the Wc sifus and lieages . And I plan to invest in the Lee Shing Family WC DVD materials , because I too do my own research in the materials of other kung fu styles and in particular other WC systems , besides the Ip Man lineage of WC .

Ip Man to me had alot of students so their WC sets will differ from each individual sifus as well . Just like Ip Mans' 2 - sons , Ip Chun and Ip Ching . Now because I came aross of your topic thread in concern with the lee shing family WC lineage , I to intend to research the other WC system too . To me the more you learn the more the better for you , having knowledge in anything is better than not having any knowledge at all , for example lee shing wing chun family lineage of kung fu .
And I would like to learn and to know more of the lee shing family lineage of kung fu .

[Runlikehell]

I actually thought Leung Sheung was a HK student. First of Ip Mans HK generation sure, but Lok Yiu was his elder. Maybe someone can help here too?

My mistake. I meant formal student in HK (though I do believe most, if not all of his Fatshan students were taught informally).
I believe Leung Sheung was older than Lok Yiu as well, at least that's what the interviews in my Sifu's book say.

[LoneTiger108]

I would like to learn and to know more of the lee shing family lineage of kung fu .

PM me lance or email me privately.

[LoneTiger108]

MY FIRST EUROPEAN LEE SHING FAMILY WING CHUN SEMINAR WEEKEND IN AUSTRIA


On Friday 18th November 2011, I left my home in North London with one flight bag and a head full of ideas. I was on my way to Graz in Austria to meet up with a friend and newfound Kung Fu Cousin, Perry Zmugg, to exchange training ideas with his students by joining together with another great Martial Artist Juri Fleischmann. It dawned on me, on the way to Stansted airport, that I had never actually given a Wing Chun Seminar before!

I was classically trained at the Jun Mo Wing Chun Gwoon by my only teacher, Sifu Joseph Man, and I had attended many events throughout my time with him and taught hundreds of students on his behalf, but we never really done the seminar thing. I trained for performance and demonstrations, and I was active with my teacher for almost ten years. In 2003 I set out with my kung fu brother Sifu Barry Lewis, and we founded The Yum Yeurng Academy to continue to coach Wing Chun together. So, when I finally flying towards Graz I started to think of what would be appropriate for me to share with everyone. I had no clue how many participants would show or what their skill level would be, and so I gathered my thoughts and made various plans of action. I arrived in Graz airport to be picked up by Sifu Perry and driven the 2 hour journey to Vienna, where the first Seminar would be held.

When we arrived there was one thing that shocked me more than anything, and that was how many students had turned up for this event! After introductions from the Dai Long Gwoon founders, Christophe and Angelika, we divided into three groups of beginner, intermediate and advanced students and I began to teach alongside Sifu Perry and Sifu Juri. Everyone was so open minded and, even though a language barrier was obvious to some, the physical motion of Wing Chun seemed to transfer to each participant quickly and before I knew it these guys and girls were applying a simple escape method from The Yum Yeurng Academy salutation!

Trying to think of all the things that should be in place when you are performing any set method or technique in Wing Chun is no easy task, and it was clear as I progressed from the beginners to advanced that more questions would arrive and a different approach should be used to teach. I tried my best to show that Chisau ‘sticking hands’ is only a part of what I refer to as ‘Interactive’ training, and we used this platform to further explore the methods of the Academy salutation. It seemed to just fit into place, and before long the questions were answered and the set was shared with minimal bruising! And then the seminar had come to an end and we were out at a local bar and restaurant for dinner and drinks! This was interesting for me too, as it gave me the chance to explain why I thought our mutual Grandmaster Lee Shing was so important in the development of Wing Chun in Europe, regardless to what other more commercial Masters might say about him, he was a real Chinese Martial Arts Master and I feel we all do his memory proud by continuing to train and develop throughout our lives as best we can. Yes, we are different to the mainstream commercial Wing Chun schools. But this makes us unique, and quite specialized in my opinion.

After our nights sleep in the Dai Long Gwoon we started with breakfast in Café Ritters before heading back to Graz for seminar number two in Sifu Perrys fulltime gwoon. This was a different day, with three arts being taught: Perry, Arnis. Juri, Hapkido, and I taught Wing Chun. Again the students picked up the Academy methods quite easily, and so I progressed the training into basic circle walking drills, mimicking the characters of the snake and crane; the animals said to be big influences on the earlier Shaolin versions of Wing Chun, including the famous Red Boat Opera Troupes. This type of interactive practise teaches you awareness of distance and angling, and as you are in constant action you need to be able to focus at all times working as a team. Whether you are in the middle or walking the outside, everyone has a role to play and the overall performance can be viewed as Martial flamboyance!

I finished the day by sharing a simple pole technique that helps to understand our arrow fist set, something that is unique to the Lee Shing family of Wing Chun. By using the first set of the pole form we connect salutation methods into fierce attacking movements that penetrate the straight lines into an opponent, taking them down to the floor using phoenix eyes and hanging elbows and fists! A special mention must go to both Juri and Perrys trainee instructors, who had the decency to listen and help me put my message across. I only wish I could speak better Austrian and German, and maybe that is something I can develop for the future!

Once the seminar had ended a group of us spent some time in a local sauna before hitting ‘Romanas’ Bar for food, drinks and a little socializing. It was here that I realized that we were all on the same quest for kung fu knowledge and our passion for martial arts drew us all closer together. Perry was a great host and really made me feel welcome in his lovely hometown of Graz. We spent a lazy Sunday lunch together with his family up in the mountains and shared some video moments back in his gwoon on Monday, before I made my way home to London.

Grandmaster Lee Shing came to London from Hong Kong back in 1963, and it was here that he started his mission to spread the art of Wing Chun throughout Europe and across the seas. It is clear that Austria is nurturing the seed of Lee Shing Wing Chun through the promotions and teachings of Sifu Perry Zmugg and his dedicated team of instructors and students. My kung fu uncle Sifu Austin Goh and his most prominent student from Switzerland, Sifu Juerg Ziegler, have done the family proud and I only hope that my exchange with their student and my martial cousin will continue to blossom in the future.

May our unity be strong and honourable, for the survival of our younger generations depends on us all.

[LoneTiger108]

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my first european lee shing family wing chun seminars, austria 2011

[LoneTiger108]

Saturday 26th May

Here's a group picture of my second trip to Europe to promote relationships between Lee Shing family. Both Sifu Juri Fleischmann and Sifu Perry Zmugg have been representing in their home countries for over 10 years. Initially trained by Jurg Zeigler and Austin Goh they both are also one of very few recognised western Masters of Sin Mo Hapkido.

This was also the first time I have taken up a seminar with my kung fu bro Barry Lewis since we established the Yum Yeurng Academy in 2003! Good times...

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150844400106537.393184.22185726536&type=3#!/photo.php?fbid=10150844415871537&set=a.10150844400106537.393184.22185726536&type=3&theater

[Paddington]

Mick, I posted the following in your other thread but given how you are active in this thread, I'll copy and paste.

Yeah, I watched your clips. I can't say I am impressed and yes, this forum tends to be overly critical. I noted that someone commented on one of your clips, the wooden dummy form I believe. You then deleted his comments and removed the video. I thought the commenter made some valid, constructive, points. Also some of your videos have been sped up.

There is a lot wrong with what I see in those videos but I can't be bothered to spend the time explaining as you will likely ignore and continue as you were.

[LoneTiger108]

Sorry but I can't see why you are posting in my thread about, what seems to be, mickwats videos he has shared with the forum elsewhere?

This thread is for updates on The Lee Shing Family as we sometimes have get togethers and seminars within our groups that I like to document here on KFO.

So, why not just PM him directly or contact him through Facebook?

[mickwat]

Sorry but I can't see why you are posting in my thread about, what seems to be, mickwats videos he has shared with the forum elsewhere?

This thread is for updates on The Lee Shing Family as we sometimes have get togethers and seminars within our groups that I like to document here on KFO.

So, why not just PM him directly or contact him through Facebook?

We have been in touch mate no worries there I emailed him last night so all is cool

[mickwat]

But I will say this mate get off this forum it's just a sad bunch of guys who think they know more than anyone else I've been on here a week and realised that already no one as a good word to say about anyone I can see how you can get addicted to this because there is so many idiots but really not worth please idiots don't reply won't be checking in again to see if you have guess what I HAVE A LIFE and I train for real not just online as bender would say so long losers and kiss my shiny metal axxe haha

[GlennR]

But I will say this mate get off this forum it's just a sad bunch of guys who think they know more than anyone else I've been on here a week and realised that already no one as a good word to say about anyone I can see how you can get addicted to this because there is so many idiots but really not worth please idiots don't reply won't be checking in again to see if you have guess what I HAVE A LIFE and I train for real not just online as bender would say so long losers and kiss my shiny metal axxe haha

From all us losers here on the forum............ do something about your grammar!

Its almost as poor as your WC

[LoneTiger108]

But I will say this mate get off this forum

I hear you mate and believe me I have had my fair share of insults thrown at me and our Sifus and Sigung over the years I think I'm just immune to it all!!

I try my best to just contribute to worth while threads, but that is getting harder to do these days because the quality of discussion has got worse and worse IMHO.

[LoneTiger108]

From all us losers here on the forum............ do something about your grammar!

Its almost as poor as your WC

My point is made... ;)

[LoneTiger108]

Our Annual Lee Shing Wing Chun Family Seminar hosted by Sifu Austin Goh. Top class instruction from First and Second generation Masters and Instructors.

This is normally a 'family only' event but has been opened up more recently to allow people from any lineage to attend enabling you to get first hand experience of how we do things in the Lee Shing Family.

I don't know if this is the case with this particular seminar so if you want any further information, please contact Sifu Holloway on facebook or through his website at http://www.wingchunlondon.co.uk/

[GlennR]

My point is made... ;)

Glad to help