LOL- Local "MMA" school in my area

[-disciple-]

http://mace-mixedmartialarts.com/home


makes me laugh every time i look at it
just look at it and read some of the **** on there.

[Anthony_ATT]

http://mace-mixedmartialarts.com/home


makes me laugh every time i look at it
just look at it and read some of the **** on there.

TKD being called MMA.

It was bound to happen.

If you want to know what a real MMA gym looks like, here's one of the best.

http://americantopteam.com

[Shaolinlueb]

how about a spell and grammer check there.

[lkfmdc]

If you want to know what a real MMA gym looks like, here's one of the best.

http://americantopteam.com

this one isn't so bad :p

www.NYSanDa.com

[johnnycache]

There is actually a growing issue with this - at least one national krav maga franchise calls itself "mixed martial arts" in its material, you know, because it's a mix of several older arts. I went and checked out their branch here, expecting an MMA class, and found basically a self defense class. An OK one, actually, but not what I thought I was signing on for.

However - these guys look like they are serious about trying MMA out. They aren't advertising MMA yet - they are saying they have a training class for it and want to try to compete in upcoming competitions once PA regulates the sport. I actually think that's an admirable example of what I've been saying in several posts lately - anyone, from any school, can 'get serious' and try MMA.

Time will tell if their program holds up in the Rhombus or whatever.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Here is the thing, when MMA was simple a ruleset, things were neat and crispy.
The someone decided to "teach" MMA as a system.
Well, by the very definition of MMA, anything you MIX MARTIAL ARTS you are teaching MMA.
No where has it been etched in stone that MMA is specific style or that it is exclusively about competition.

Like TMA, MMA are their own worse enemy.

Welcome To The Club !!
:D

[Anthony_ATT]

this one isn't so bad :p

www.NYSanDa.com

F*ck yeah! I intend to visit next year. We are having Bullshido's Mega Throwdown in NYC. :)

[Anthony_ATT]

Here is the thing, when MMA was simple a ruleset, things were neat and crispy.
The someone decided to "teach" MMA as a system.
Well, by the very definition of MMA, anything you MIX MARTIAL ARTS you are teaching MMA.
No where has it been etched in stone that MMA is specific style or that it is exclusively about competition.

Like TMA, MMA are their own worse enemy.

Welcome To The Club !!
:D

Yes and no.

MMA proves it in the ring or cage. Not the same can be said of all TMA.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Yes and no.

MMA proves it in the ring or cage. Not the same can be said of all TMA.

And it would seem that eventually, that can't be said of ALL MMA gyms either.

[Becca]

Yes and no.

MMA proves it in the ring or cage. Not the same can be said of all TMA.

Not everyone who "studies" MMA competes, so that could be said of anyone. What you *REALLY* ment was that fighters prove it in the ring. And since very few TMA desciples compete in "the ring", those who do don't count. That is your whole basis for your stance on TMA effectiveness...:rolleyes:

[Anthony_ATT]

Not everyone who "studies" MMA competes, so that could be said of anyone. What you *REALLY* ment was that fighters prove it in the ring. And since very few TMA desciples compete in "the ring", those who do don't count. That is your whole basis for your stance on TMA effectiveness...:rolleyes:

How do you know what I meant? Are you a mind reader?

MMA proves it in the ring or the cage. It's really simple. If the "MMA" that you teach doesn't work in a stress enviroment, ie Cage/Ring, then it is not effective.

MMA is about effective high percentage techniques that work.

End of story.

If your instructor doesn't compete, or any students for that matter, I'd be looking for a different "MMA" school.

[Lucas]

How do you know what I meant? Are you a mind reader?

MMA proves it in the ring or the cage. It's really simple. If the "MMA" that you teach doesn't work in a stress enviroment, ie Cage/Ring, then it is not effective.

MMA is about effective high percentage techniques that work.

End of story.

If your instructor doesn't compete, or any students for that matter, I'd be looking for a different "MMA" school.


what about the top San Shou/Da fighters in the world? are they not good fighters because they fight under a differnt rule set? thats completely rediculous if thats how some people think.

take a San Shou Champion, and put him in a training program for MMA, chances are he would do OK in that venue as well. Why? he is a fighter, heart to spirit.

what it takes to be a champion.......of any venue....

fighters are fighters.

thats just the way it is, regardless of if you ever even trained in ANY style.

CMA proves it in its own Venues with its own fighters.

Are you saying that ONLY MMA is capable of showing fighting skill?

granted MMA / Vale Tudo have the most realistic rule set, that does not mean that someone else who is training under a COMPLETELY different set of rules is not a competent fighter.

plain idiocy

[lkfmdc]

most people consider San Da like MMA... most MMA people appreciate any sort of live competition be it Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Judo, San Da or MMA

[Lucas]

most people consider San Da like MMA... most MMA people appreciate any sort of live competition be it Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Judo, San Da or MMA

So then my question is this:

Why to people who like to claim "camp MMA" when talking about CMA, always seem to ignore the circuts that CMA does fight in? Its always "MMA proves it in the ring"

what about full contact CMA comps? They arent nearly as poplular, but they are around if you look for them.

To me, CMA and MMA people are often spouting things while leaving out a lot of aspects and information that is very relevant to the issue they are addressing.

Its confusing how people, on both sides, willingly pull the wool over their own eyes.

[Anthony_ATT]

most people consider San Da like MMA... most MMA people appreciate any sort of live competition be it Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Judo, San Da or MMA

Absolutely correct. I should add that into my MMA rant.

Different rulesets, but the enviroment is the same.

To quote someone we all know, "Use what works".

[lkfmdc]

Why to people who like to claim "camp MMA" when talking about CMA, always seem to ignore the circuts that CMA does fight in? Its always "MMA proves it in the ring"

what about full contact CMA comps? They arent nearly as poplular, but they are around if you look for them.



Many of the peole you call "camp MMA" ARE San Da people.....

The only real full contact CMA venue is San Da.... right now those competitions are filled with San Da specific gyms, some Shuai Jiai, Muay Thai and MMA guys... the silk PJ forms doing people are NOT doing full contact for the most part, ie that's the problem

[Lucas]

Many of the peole you call "camp MMA" ARE San Da people.....

The only real full contact CMA venue is San Da.... right now those competitions are filled with San Da specific gyms, some Shuai Jiai, Muay Thai and MMA guys... the silk PJ forms doing people are NOT doing full contact for the most part, ie that's the problem

Good.

Its just all so confusing sometimes where people stand.

So with this established, why doesnt everyone just ****ing drop it. CMA is doing its thing in SanDA. If you want to look at fighting aspects of CMA, look at the best in SanShou/DA, Just like everyone does for MMA, we look at the goods. not the bads.

let all the shiny silk pajama guys do what ever they want. who cares.

we know they cant fight, why lump them in the same group with the guys that do fight? thats stupid.

So what, CMA has a much smaller group of fighters than MMA. Its not as popular.

But if you are going to talk about this whole CMA sucks at fighting thing. Use the best CMA FIGHTERS as your example. then break down what THEY are doing that sucks.

otherwise we can just look at the worst MMA fighters and do the same thing.

Peeps looking at, and using the pajama wearers to define ALL CMA, need to look at the worst MMA fighters to define ALL MMA.

then we will be on the same page.

pound for pound, its a given MMA has way more competent fighters.

But who has more isnt the deal IMO

its if it CAN be effective. CMA gets in the ring and fights. Shows skills, and displays effectiveness.

just a different venue.

Personally, i dont claim any "camp"

actually I've been thinking heavily about getting into boxing myself.

[lkfmdc]

Good.

let all the shiny silk pajama guys do what ever they want. who cares.

we know they cant fight



most "camp MMA" members really couldn't care less, but we usually find it amusing when the shiny silk PJ patrol gets on and talks about how tough and deadly they are.... it IS a discussion forum, and it's a great way to kill a half an hour between classes talking to the clueless and ragging on the international Dim Mak federations :rolleyes:

[sanjuro_ronin]

I heard the Quinton Jackson likes silk PJ's....

[Lucas]

most "camp MMA" members really couldn't care less, but we usually find it amusing when the shiny silk PJ patrol gets on and talks about how tough and deadly they are.... it IS a discussion forum, and it's a great way to kill a half an hour between classes talking to the clueless and ragging on the international Dim Mak federations :rolleyes:

rofl!!

I still get a kick out of all this stuff.

great way to kill half an hour?

try eight hours......every day......my job is way to easy.

Mentally I get along with the MMA crowd more often than the CMA crowd. As far as beliefs go in regards training methods, habits and their impact on your abilities.

Though I get a long most with people who would rather just swim around in both worlds and pick up good things where good things are shown.

without any bias ideas about whether this system is worthy of taking information from.

To me there should be no distinction. There should be people who fight and people who dont fight.

Every art has em, TKD, MMA, CMA, JMA.....

its all the same **** thing!!!!

[lkfmdc]

he's also president of the the Dim Mak federation

[Lucas]

i save my shiny silk pajamas fo the ladies :cool:;)

[lkfmdc]

i wear ladies shiny silk pajamas :cool:;)

but do you practice Dim Mak in them? :eek:

[sanjuro_ronin]

he's also president of the the Dim Mak federation

You mean he is not JUST a member ??

[Lucas]

but do you practice Dim Mak in them? :eek:

ROFL

only when my Qi level is high enough. I only do Dim Mak when i intend to kill.

[golden arhat]

but do you practice Dim Mak in them? :eek:

no he just pokes them

to little effect

like most dim mak :p

[Lucas]

no he just pokes them

to little effect

like most dim mak :p

didnt you read what i wrote, I ONLY DO IT TO KILL!!!!!!!!!!!

dont make me swim to your country....cause ill do it.

swimming across the atlantic only hightens my DIM MAK abilities.

[sanjuro_ronin]

didnt you read what i wrote, I ONLY DO IT TO KILL!!!!!!!!!!!

dont make me swim to your country....cause ill do it.

swimming across the atlantic only hightens my DIM MAK abilities.

Told you not to drink the water...

[Lucas]

it was worth it!

[Becca]

most "camp MMA" members really couldn't care less, but we usually find it amusing when the shiny silk PJ patrol gets on and talks about how tough and deadly they are.... it IS a discussion forum, and it's a great way to kill a half an hour between classes talking to the clueless and ragging on the international Dim Mak federations :rolleyes:It's just as fun to rile up the MMA nut huggers till they are making moronic comments like "are you reading my mind"... ;)

I love my TCMA and always will. I can use it effectivly for what it was designed for, self defence. I was never taught how to use it in a sport environment and do not pretend I'd do well in a cage fight without training for a cage fight. That does not meen my art wouldn't do well in a cage fight.

A lack of evidence does not make what ever delusion the nut riders hold true. A lack of successful fighters using TCMA does not make TCMA ineffective. It only says there have been few traditionalists who have won. Period. There's never been a MMAist who crossed over to Koushu and won, either. But then, there probably hasn't been an MMAist who tried. Does that meen MMA would work in a Koushu Federation tourny? No.

[lkfmdc]

There's never been a MMAist who crossed over to Koushu and won, either.



Since you bring it up, I tried for several years to get applications for my students to fight there. After letters and calls, numerous, and promises I would get the paperwork, numerous, never happened.

Cung Le flew in from CA and was denied entry into the event

What were they afraid of? :rolleyes:

[Lucas]

Hulk Smash!!!!!

[Becca]

Since you bring it up, I tried for several years to get applications for my students to fight there. After letters and calls, numerous, and promises I would get the paperwork, numerous, never happened.

Cung Le flew in from CA and was denied entry into the event

What were they afraid of? :rolleyes:Just said it hadn't happened, not that they didn't try. As to why you can't apps... No clue. Are you a member of the federation? Many times organization sponsored events are not open to non-members. I don't know if making an event closed meens the participants are afraid of anything. Maybe they just don't want to let TKD in, since that's what seems to happen over time to most non-pro tourny; at least in this area.

[lkfmdc]

Maybe they just don't want to let TKD in



if you are practicing a superior fighting method, why wold you care who entered?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Since you bring it up, I tried for several years to get applications for my students to fight there. After letters and calls, numerous, and promises I would get the paperwork, numerous, never happened.

Cung Le flew in from CA and was denied entry into the event

What were they afraid of

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Kuo Shou is an amature event. It's got a great platform, and I for one would love to see them open up a pro level, but for now it is still amature. It's a great stepping stone for a TCMA who wants to fight MMA eventually....but still fight with thier art as Kuo Shou is a Chinese geared venue. Great place to hone your skills, but the next level up would be San Shou or MMA.

They probably do ot want pro fighters in there killing the greener guys of that circute.

I'd be curious to see what they said if you were to talk to them about getting a pro level fight card going with them, under thier platform.

[lkfmdc]

this was back in the 90's and Cung was an amateur back then....

[Lucas]

this was back in the 90's and Cung was an amateur back then....

did he have an impressive record at the time or was he well known?

if he was an amateur then maybe they refused him entry on grounds other than being a full contact MMA fighter...

[johnnycache]

Good.

Its just all so confusing sometimes where people stand.

So with this established, why doesnt everyone just ****ing drop it. CMA is doing its thing in SanDA. If you want to look at fighting aspects of CMA, look at the best in SanShou/DA, Just like everyone does for MMA, we look at the goods. not the bads.

let all the shiny silk pajama guys do what ever they want. who cares.

we know they cant fight, why lump them in the same group with the guys that do fight? thats stupid.

So what, CMA has a much smaller group of fighters than MMA. Its not as popular.

But if you are going to talk about this whole CMA sucks at fighting thing. Use the best CMA FIGHTERS as your example. then break down what THEY are doing that sucks.

otherwise we can just look at the worst MMA fighters and do the same thing.

Peeps looking at, and using the pajama wearers to define ALL CMA, need to look at the worst MMA fighters to define ALL MMA.

then we will be on the same page.

pound for pound, its a given MMA has way more competent fighters.

But who has more isnt the deal IMO

its if it CAN be effective. CMA gets in the ring and fights. Shows skills, and displays effectiveness.

just a different venue.

Personally, i dont claim any "camp"

actually I've been thinking heavily about getting into boxing myself.

Have to address the bolded line - do you seriously feel at this point in the world that there are more MMA fighters then TCMA practitioners? You seem to be saying there are so MANY mma guys they are bound to produce more good fighters then the tiny l'il TCMA community - I think that's the opposite of the actual numbers.

[Becca]

if you are practicing a superior fighting method, why wold you care who entered?
Because it's very hard to be a snob if you let everyone in.;)