New kickboxing format - best yet for kung Fu?

[Ben Gash]

Clinching, knees, throws and no boxing gloves or groundwork. Could be good. I don't see the point in allowing elbows to the body and not the head though. You may as well just have no elbows.
http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/RulesXG.htm

[MSphinx]

Looks like a more restricted version of Lethwei rules.

[lkfmdc]

wow, san da with mma gloves, what a drastic and fundamental change :rolleyes:

(/sarcasm)

[MasterKiller]

We use the TG4s to train, but this marketing line


These Gloves have the same shock dispersing capabilities as a 16 Ounce Boxing Glove.

is not really what I would call...accurate. :p

[Jingwu Man]

So you're STRONGLY encouraged to throw the opponent, but no points are awarded for throws? Hmmmm.

[WinterPalm]

In my opinion the kuosho people, USKSF, offer the best format. Knees to the head, elbows to everything, open fist strikes, throws, takedown, kos, etc. The gloves are soft foamy junk but you have great flexibility in the wrist.
I have yet to see something better for TCMA competition.

[Ben Gash]

Yeah, but the faceguard is A) really annoying and B) means that there's really little point in kneeing or elbowing to the head, and would you really want to do open handed strikes against it?

[lkfmdc]

1. The IKF are good people, worked with them a lot in past, but when it comes to figuring out how to incorporate throws into kickboxing they have a sort of mental block :confused: Never used the old IWUF scoring for San Shou, set up scoring system that was at best irrational, at worst gave the match to the wrong person

2. The Kuoshu thing is a "dead man walking"... even in it's homeland in Taiwan it is getting beat out by San Da and MMA formats. The face shield is ridiculous, as is the uniforms they make people wear. It's a "closed society" and thus the level is VERY LOW

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

wow, san da with mma gloves, what a drastic and fundamental change

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Ross, why doesn't San Da go to the lighter MMA gloves too?

[lkfmdc]

you want to fight with MMA gloves? Fight MMA....

if you do it enough, you'll realize that the more striking you do the less you want to fight with MMA gloves... for MMA you HAVE TO... to develop your striking, put on boxing gloves

[sanjuro_ronin]

Yeah, but the faceguard is A) really annoying and B) means that there's really little point in kneeing or elbowing to the head, and would you really want to do open handed strikes against it?

The Daidojuku use the "space helmet" and while it protect from cuts and unseemly bruises :D, the concussive effects are all there.

[WinterPalm]

The face guard is annoying but a) for an event where you pay to enter, you don't have to worry about your face getting busted up and b) you get used to it.
Knees and elbows have a good effect especially to the side of the head. Some events in the US you have to wear either a yellow or blue uniform...but the rules are good. And open hand strikes are good against it as well. I have torn off pieces of skin on my fingers but they seem to incorporate all the good qualities of TCMA without having to wear boxing gloves and allowing almost all hand formations.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I bing out the "space helmet" whenever I am sparring someone that doesn't want a mark on their pretty face, like me :)
Usually because I have a job that requires that I deal with people that may frown upon dealing with a person sporting a busted lip/black eye/scar on face/stiches over eye/etc, etc.

[lkfmdc]

There is NO perfect competition format.... they are all games, play different games and you will get better....

MMA has a lot of tools, it has a ton of positives, it can also when done alone create certain set habits.... like ANY game

BJJ with a Gi, submission grappling without it, Thai boxing, San Da.... IMO if you are the least bit serious as a martial artist, you should be doing these "games" (even if just in your school)....

[Ben Gash]

I get 3 hits above, does that make me the least bit serious? ;)

[lkfmdc]

I get 3 hits above, does that make me the least bit serious? ;)

no, I'm sorry, 3 out of 4 and you only qualify as a very feminine girly man who shaves his legs, but as a consolation prize, I'm sending you a pink razor to shave them with :D

[Yum Cha]

There is NO perfect competition format.... they are all games, play different games and you will get better....

Finally, something for my sig!

[lkfmdc]

Finally, something for my sig!

you know, at one time 6 different people had quotes of mine as sig lines (I still think 3 do)

[Yum Cha]

..gee, you sure know how to make a guy feel cheap.