Impressive Hung Gar Fist Form

[iron_silk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0D2QYzsyKM&feature=related

At least I am very impressed! Usually I am not a big fan of Hung Gar sets but this guy does it in a way that I like.

Anybody know anything about the dude?

[CLFNole]

It doesn't look like hung gar to me. It has more of a CLF flow and feel and even seems to have a slight northern influence with some of the kicks and sweeps.

[Jeong]

Yeah, to me this totally looks like a form that somebody made trying to combine CLF and Hung Gar. The "way you like" is probably the fact that he's doing CLF!

[chusauli]

Its the Hung Gar form known as Wu Dip Jeung (Butterfly Palm). And nicely done!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Its the Hung Gar form known as Wu Dip Jeung (Butterfly Palm). And nicely done!

Hung Ga or Hung Kuen ?

Is the salute missing ?

[chusauli]

Hung Gar Lam Sai Wing branches practice this set. Not Hung Kuen. Although Hung Gar is sometimes called Hung Kuen, IMO, Hung Kuen refers to the Village stuff, outside of the Luk Ah Choi to Wong Fei Hung lineages.

Gar and Ga are the same Chinese characters. "Ga" is what my Sifu, Yee Chi Wai, referred to differentiate his Tang Fong system from other Hung Gar systems which generally descend from Lam Sai Wing.

Hope this helps.

As far as I see there is a salutation on the Youtube clip.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Hung Gar Lam Sai Wing branches practice this set. Not Hung Kuen. Although Hung Gar is sometimes called Hung Kuen, IMO, Hung Kuen refers to the Village stuff, outside of the Luk Ah Choi to Wong Fei Hung lineages.

Gar and Ga are the same Chinese characters. "Ga" is what my Sifu, Yee Chi Wai, referred to differentiate his Tang Fong system from other Hung Gar systems which generally descend from Lam Sai Wing.

Hope this helps.

As far as I see there is a salutation on the Youtube clip.

Yes, you are right, I missed the beginning part.

[mok]

Hung Ga or Hung Kuen ?
Is the salute missing ?


Same thing (in this case at least...) :).

The performer is Hung Gar sifu Andreas Garski. As mentionned this is the Wu Dip Jeung (butterfly palms) set, which is not one of the standard "pillar sets" so not every lineage has it. If I recall correctly... I think was created by Lam family, either choregraphed by Lam Jo or one of his students(?)

This is a great demo. Personally I feel there's too much emphasis on tension in a lot of Hung Gar demos that are typically shown... but keep in mind the sets are dynamic, and they can be performed either fast or slow. BTW, CLF and Hung Gar are really alot more similar than dissimilar. Flipsides of the same coin, if you ask me.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Same thing (in this case at least...) :).

The performer is Hung Gar sifu Andreas Garski. As mentionned this is the Wu Dip Jeung (butterfly palms) set, which is not one of the standard "pillar sets" so not every lineage has it. If I recall correctly... I think was created by Lam family, either choregraphed by Lam Jo or one of his students(?)

This is a great demo. Personally I feel there's too much emphasis on tension in a lot of Hung Gar demos that are typically shown... but keep in mind the sets are dynamic, and they can be performed either fast or slow. BTW, CLF and Hung Gar are really alot more similar than dissimilar. Flipsides of the same coin, if you ask me.

I have seen Hung Gar guys do sets with tension, no tension, combination of both.
Depends what they wanna show or what they are working on and I am cool with that.

[iron_silk]

First of all....yes the salute is there!

Second of all...Wu Dip is a northern form incorporated into Hung gar so...

Third of all...maybe CLF has been doing it like Hung gar so...there...

Fourth of all............ I've seen CLF players I was none to impressed with so maybe it's more about the player than the system?

Fifth of all....I liked the smooth full body movements...in a completely straight kind of way

Sixth of all....he's a white dude...and he does it better than Chinese...not to say that just because your Chinese you are good at kung fu....that would be racist

Seventh of all....who said I like CLF ?

Eighth of all......I do like CLF...but I am doing Northern now...

Ninth of all.......did any of the comments really answer my question??? hmmmm?

Tenth of all..........I still like it....so there! HA I said ten things!

[CLFNole]

I liked the form as well it isn't played like most hung gar you see out there so I don't know how other hung gar people would react to it. To me it kind of reminds me how the Lau family (Lau Kar Leung) plays their hung gar. They do it a bit faster than most, which more resembles how we do our CLF, so I like it in that respect. Not being a hung gar person I don't know how they think their forms should be done so it is hard to comment in that respect.

[PM]

- Hung Ga = Hung Kyun = Hung Ga Kyun

- the set - wu dip jeung ("butterfly palms") - was developed by Leung Winghang sifu, student of Lam Saiwing

[BruceSteveRoy]

i have always been a fan the putterfly palms form. one of my classmates from my old school is very good at performing it. he actually did it at wongs this past summer and despite it being one of his better demonstrations of it he was scored very poorly because the judges thought it was a northern set being done in a southern division.

my old sifu was dumbfounded.

[Jeong]

Third of all...maybe CLF has been doing it like Hung gar so...there...

Fourth of all............ I've seen CLF players I was none to impressed with so maybe it's more about the player than the system?

Fifth of all....I liked the smooth full body movements...in a completely straight kind of way

Haha, sorry if I stepped on any toes, didn't mean to. What I meant is pretty much what CLFNole said; it's played differently than most of the Hung Gar I've seen, and like much of the (good) CLF I've seen (Fifth of all....). That being said I thought it was cool, and I hope to see more Hung played like that!


Ninth of all.......did any of the comments really answer my question??? hmmmm?

No I guess not. Sorry, but I can't help you here.

[diego]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0D2QYzsyKM&feature=related

At least I am very impressed! Usually I am not a big fan of Hung Gar sets but this guy does it in a way that I like.

Anybody know anything about the dude?

very good...all the drumming made him nervous and i love how he pulled out a WAHHH:) with the tiger claw at the end...he slipped half way through before the roll and kick, threw him off but he kept fighting...thanks for the link

[buddabelly]

http://www.elfyourself.com/?id=1279300758

[David Jamieson]

very nice performance. fast!

[iron_silk]

Haha, sorry if I stepped on any toes, didn't mean to. What I meant is pretty much what CLFNole said; it's played differently than most of the Hung Gar I've seen, and like much of the (good) CLF I've seen (Fifth of all....). That being said I thought it was cool, and I hope to see more Hung played like that!No I guess not. Sorry, but I can't help you here.

Ha ha ha...I was was just screwing around with my response...please don't take any of them seriously :) I guess I could've been less subtle....

[iron_silk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oh54Ahbu2U&feature=related

Now the set in the above links just simply shoudn't be called Hung Gar at all....more wushu southern set like than anything else...with some extreme flips shoved in....sigh....it's just too much.

[Gru Bianca]

Obviously that is modern Wushu :)

I guess not much of traditional Hunggar.

Btw, the first link you posted, really great.

Regards

[David Jamieson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oh54Ahbu2U&feature=related

Now the set in the above links just simply shoudn't be called Hung Gar at all....more wushu southern set like than anything else...with some extreme flips shoved in....sigh....it's just too much.


this is modern wushu and yes, it shouldn't call itself Hung Gar because it isn't.

[ginosifu]

Nice form....

What lineage is this guy from?

Now compare to Wing Lams version:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q0yjzE4KWAA

Ginosifu

[sanjuro_ronin]

Nice form....

What lineage is this guy from?

Now compare to Wing Lams version:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q0yjzE4KWAA

Ginosifu

Why compare?
One is a demo, the other instructional.

[Laukarbo]

Nice form....

What lineage is this guy from?



Lam Family...but I think this clip is from the 80s and by then he was still a student of Chiu CHi Ling Sifu...

[B-Rad]

Now the set in the above links just simply shoudn't be called Hung Gar at all....more wushu southern set like than anything else...with some extreme flips shoved in....sigh....it's just too much.
Yeah, I just sent the guy a pm telling him the video is mislabeled. Though it looks to me that he's had a bit of real southern training (some moves still look more southern than most contemporary nan quan now days) it's obviously a modern wushu nan quan competition form.

[Golden Arms]

That first video was performed very well, he looks to have done his training :)

[mok]

Second vid is modern wushu "nan quan", performed by the so-called "Nan Quan king". I forget his actual name, but he's a multiple times national Nan Quan champion...

Thing is, this dude is very athletic and obvisouly gifted... Pity the PRC and modern wushu programs tend to ignore the more traditional stuff. :o

[David Jamieson]

Second vid is modern wushu "nan quan", performed by the so-called "Nan Quan king". I forget his actual name, but he's a multiple times national Nan Quan champion...

Thing is, this dude is very athletic and obviously gifted... Pity the PRC and modern wushu programs tend to ignore the more traditional stuff. :o

no kidding.

I am told there is an aim to get rid of all the pai and create only one pai. In my opinion, this is wrong because it kills diversity. We can see that diversity die by how things are called different but in essence are all the same and equally without efficacy or practicality on the levels of those things from which they take their names.

If you get my inference.

[iron_silk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyw86vuFsJ8

I don't study Hung Gar but it looks like Tiger and Crane, right?

[chusauli]

Andreas Garski?

I met him a while back when I visited Germany as a guest of Andreas Hoffman. I believe he was a student of Chiu Chi Ling.

He was very talented. If you practice good, you will be good, no matter what race.

CLF and Hung Gar are two sides of the same coin. Probably Wong Fei Hung had some influence of CLF...

Hung Gar is basically body first, then bridge; CLF is hand first, then body. Advanced practitioners of each do both and look almost the same.

[David Jamieson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyw86vuFsJ8

I don't study Hung Gar but it looks like Tiger and Crane, right?

yes, fu hok.

[Violent Designs]

Andreas Garski?

I met him a while back when I visited Germany as a guest of Andreas Hoffman. I believe he was a student of Chiu Chi Ling.

He was very talented. If you practice good, you will be good, no matter what race.

CLF and Hung Gar are two sides of the same coin. Probably Wong Fei Hung had some influence of CLF...

Hung Gar is basically body first, then bridge; CLF is hand first, then body. Advanced practitioners of each do both and look almost the same.

I think this is determined by the lineage/style of the individual CLF player. There are some CLF guys that look almost strictly northern in the fajing and technique execution/feel and does not resemble Hung Gar at all.

[secretgecko]

There's a problem with wearing those kung fu boots - they have no traction - that's why he almost fell - twice - once at 0:46 and again near the end.

Overall a very nice performance of a different variation of Butterfly Palm.

[iron_silk]

There's a problem with wearing those kung fu boots - they have no traction - that's why he almost fell - twice - once at 0:46 and again near the end.

Overall a very nice performance of a different variation of Butterfly Palm.

I love his performance (as I commented over a year ago) but I do find him leaning forward too much.

But I am not a hung gar practicioner so...

[SIFU RON]

I agree with Iron Silk- The Hung Gar Penang- is impressive. The performer is very enthusiastic. Hung Gar suits large people well. Thanks for the good video.;)