Does anybody have any Training Poems/Songs for Hung Gar?

[Humble Disciple]

As I have begun exchanging and interacting with more and more martial artists outside of my style, I have learned that many styles pass down much of their knowledge from generation to generation through training "poems" or "songs."

I study Hung Gar and I was hoping that if anyone out there had any poems for our style they would be willing to share. I also welcome the sharing of "poems" and "songs" from other styles as well.

I look forward to hearing from you all.

[PM]

hello,

try www.hungkyun.com - a specialised Hung Ga Kyun forum

all the best

[specialed]

As I have begun exchanging and interacting with more and more martial artists outside of my style, I have learned that many styles pass down much of their knowledge from generation to generation through training "poems" or "songs."

I study Hung Gar and I was hoping that if anyone out there had any poems for our style they would be willing to share. I also welcome the sharing of "poems" and "songs" from other styles as well.

I look forward to hearing from you all.

here's one:

one form, two form, three form, four. take your money to learn some more. practice standing in one place. in fight be careful, or you get punched in face. family(s) argue over who is best, but never ever put to test. talk about movies, theory, and history. how they learn anything real is big mystery. now i get this off my chest, and that is because choy lay fut is best:D

[hskwarrior]

Hung Ga, Or Hung Sing,
Choy Lee Fut Will Always Bring
The Pain For Your Brain
Sow Choy's To Your Down
Makin You Feel Insane
Pow Choy Or Sow Choy It Doesn't Really Matter Boy
We Chop Chop Chop
Until All Is Destroyed.

[Laukarbo]

here's one:

one form, two form, three form, four. take your money to learn some more. practice standing in one place. in fight be careful, or you get punched in face. family(s) argue over who is best, but never ever put to test. talk about movies, theory, and history. how they learn anything real is big mystery. now i get this off my chest, and that is because choy lay fut is best:D


choy li fat gets my respect as any other cma
to say one is the best that is more than out played
its the person not the style get ya arse back 2 school
the only thing needs a test is ur testicles fool
seems to bother u a lot from the words u be posting
lots of blah blah blah better keep ya schit crouched in

:D

[banditshaw]

your paltry ass rhymes aint got nothing on mine
Hung And CLf is how I roll in the str33ts.... combined
take the best from two, double up the stew
you'll be crying like a biotch when I chaap choy and Fu jow you
you'll be calling me sifu and you'll bow down to my feet
paying me 10, 000 dollars for a Muthaphukin' Bai see.
:D

[hskwarrior]

Hung like a horse
but of course of course
man i can say that with pride
moreso with no remorse
just look at the source
of all men HUNG.
it is what we do,
and we leave em all sprung.

[specialed]

choy li fat gets my respect as any other cma
to say one is the best that is more than out played
its the person not the style get ya arse back 2 school
the only thing needs a test is ur testicles fool
seems to bother u a lot from the words u be posting
lots of blah blah blah better keep ya schit crouched in

:D

you think movie is real thing.
i bet you never step in ring.
all your videos are forms and dance
you can't even show a decent stance
pay lots of money to train with logs
talk on forum, bay like dogs
you been fooled by TMA
time to switch to MMA

[Humble Disciple]

While I admire everyone's creativity, I am afraid either I did not make myself sufficiently clear or some people might have missed the point. The point of this thread was to share various wisdoms, observations, and training maxims that have been passed down from previous generations and Sifu's in the form of "poems" or "songs." To Western eyes/minds they often come off as lengthy riddles. The Tai Chi Chuan people will know exactly what I am talking about. There is a beautifully put together book by the title: "Yang Family Secret Transmissions" compiled and translated by Douglas Wile.

I am furthermore discouraged by the fact that the posts I am seeing display so much flippancy, bravado, and in some cases bad taste. We are Hung Gar. We are supposed to righteous, humble, and disciplined. We should have respect for all styles and not quarrel. Instead, the posts here are claiming to beat up anyone or any style that crosses them. In other cases they have denigrated our reputation so far as to make genetalia jokes using the play on words of "Hung" and American slang.

This is a chance for people of all Hung Gar lineages to come together and learn something serious from one another. Ask yourself, is your Kung Fu really so good that you have the time to waste on these distractions? I know mine is not even close.

[specialed]

dear mr. humble disciple. it is highly unlikely that anyone who knows of what you ask for would put it out on a public forum for anyone and everyone to see. mr. pm nicely placed a link to a forum where there are other hunggar players who might discuss such things with you.


oh, and choy lay fut is much better:p

[Humble Disciple]

Every time I ask a serious question I run into a response along the lines of "that isn't taught/discussed outside of the family" or "you won't find anyone who knows anything about the subject willing to post it on a public forum."

I am a disciple in a very traditional, very private class, so I understand the importance of secret family or "inner chamber" transmissions, but I fail to see how any fact, subject, or discussion of detail and substance is somehow off limits! What exactly are we supposed to talk about? What is the purpose of these forums?

It seems to me that you can give away some golden eggs without losing the golden goose.

[specialed]

one last thing mr. humble: why do you not seek answers from your teacher? do you expect complete strangers to fill holes in your training over the internet? isn't learning kung fu a physical experience that requires a close relationship with your teacher and hours upon hours of hands on instruction? if i was your teacher, i would be insulted right now.


and choy lay fut is better.

[specialed]

Every time I ask a serious question I run into a response along the lines of "that isn't taught/discussed outside of the family" or "you won't find anyone who knows anything about the subject willing to post it on a public forum."

I am a disciple in a very traditional, very private class, so I understand the importance of secret family or "inner chamber" transmissions, but I fail to see how any fact, subject, or discussion of detail and substance is somehow off limits! What exactly are we supposed to talk about? What is the purpose of these forums?

It seems to me that you can give away some golden eggs without losing the golden goose.

go to mcdonalds if you want drive through.

[Humble Disciple]

I value the special relationship I have with my Sifu very deeply. He and I have discussed many of these topics at length, however, I am simply trying to do additional research on my own in order to broaden my horizons and deepen my understanding.

Much of a students journey, while guided by his Sifu, is endured alone. A Sifu can point you to the door but you must walk through. This is just me going out into the world and attempting to get involved. My teacher is fully aware of what I have posted here. I would be ashamed if I ever did anything to hurt my Sifu.

I am sorry you feel the way you do about the matter. I would reserve judgement about concerning another's Sifu/Student relationship for your private thoughts, however, as it is deeply hurtful to someone who takes it seriously.

[specialed]

mr. humble. are you per chance in drama school? if not, it might be something to look into. really, now youy've hurt my feelings regarding my private thoughts.
anyway, its nice you take your kung fu training seriously. what do you intend to do with it? are you going to fight in the ufc? i will be your biggest fan if you do. none of the kung fu people here ever do anything but talk.


oh, and choy lay fut AND wing chun are better. but not as good as bjj

[banditshaw]

Humble.....

Just take your time and someone will chime in. If you don't get answers right away and are feeling insulted, don't be. There are several people on this forum who could possibly help amongst others on the one link PM gave you.

Some people check in time to time and might not have seen your original post.

Stay humble and try to develop a thicker skin here at KFM:)

[Humble Disciple]

I have looked through your past posts. Almost every one of them is rude, sarcastic, inflammatory, and attacking. You lack any understanding of martial etiquette. Sarcasm is the refuge of the weak. Compassion and understanding is the one of the cornerstones of wu te and ultimately it is only the wu te that makes Kung Fu anything more than streetfighting (albeit effective streetfighting). Unfortunately, I fear this is a lesson that will take you a long time to learn.

I fully agree with your sentiments that many Kung Fu practitioners today hide behind their lineage, theories, and principles. They do little but talk. In do so they bring shame to a wide range of very credible martial arts, very accomplished lineages, and effective principles. Little can be learned if you do not put yourself out there and practice what you preach. I have several sparring sessions I attend several times a week. The participants are serious and the sparring is intense. There is rarely a session that goes by the doesn't result in split lips, busted noses, or other minor injuries.

In response to your other question, I practice for health, personal development, and defense. As I am young in my journey, combat and defense is my primary focus. Good luck in your journey. I hope you learn soon that you can be a real martial artist, a good fighter, and a compassionate person all at the same time. Attacking everyone around you doesn't make you a good fighter, just an average one.

[Humble Disciple]

Humble.....

Just take your time and someone will chime in. If you don't get answers right away and are feeling insulted, don't be. There are several people on this forum who could possibly help amongst others on the one link PM gave you.

Some people check in time to time and might not have seen your original post.

Stay humble and try to develop a thicker skin here at KFM:)

Good advice. My feelings aren't actually hurt. I was trying to make the point that it is not proper behavior for a martial artist. My point was more one of the importance of understanding and compassion for all practitioners rather than "you hurt my feelings." All the same, thank you for the support.

[doug maverick]

man this joint is whack, you better stay back before these forum guys crack your back cause their all on crack, thats a matter of fact. they like to bring about scores and scores of flame wars,started by fake fight guru's and MMA *****s.they like to roll around they call it wrestling but its look like they getting down, and like to go downtown.

alright enough i'm running out of rhymes here.

[specialed]

I have looked through your past posts. Almost every one of them is rude, sarcastic, inflammatory, and attacking. You lack any understanding of martial etiquette. Sarcasm is the refuge of the weak. Compassion and understanding is the one of the cornerstones of wu te and ultimately it is only the wu te that makes Kung Fu anything more than streetfighting (albeit effective streetfighting). Unfortunately, I fear this is a lesson that will take you a long time to learn.

mr. humble, where can one purchase the martial etiquette handbook? what belt are you in wu te?


on a serious note, joining a forum, asking for help with instruction and for knowledge that others toil for years to learn from complete strangers, all the while coming across as a kwai chang caine cookie cutter clone reveals you to be too young in your journey to know better. here's some free lessons for you to help you along in yours:

-don't ask strangers on a forum for kung fu lessons

-don't presume to lecture about wu te and etiquette to people in the 21st century unless you yourself are a shining example of such things. (prove it)

-if you're going to try to present yourself as a kung fu for combat guy, be prepared to deal with lots of criticism and demonstrate an ability to back it up. video evidence is always appreciated, preferably against a trained fighter in some kind of event.

-if you're sparring several times each week resulting in injuries, you're doing something wrong, go learn from someone with experience in these things.

-the whole humble disciple routine is pure fantasy world. life is not like that. stop trying to live in an old chop socky flick. respect is earned and best displayed through actions not words.

-and choy lay fut, wing chun, bjj, and muay tai are all better than hunggar.

[cjurakpt]

The Tai Chi Chuan people will know exactly what I am talking about. There is a beautifully put together book by the title: "Yang Family Secret Transmissions" compiled and translated by Douglas Wile
oh yeah - the book that the Wang brothers just happened by chance to "find" (translation: write themselves) in a salt shop, that conveniently gave a name, mystical pedigree and overall literati heft to the hacked version of Chen family boxing that they were learning from an illiterate former servant...

[Humble Disciple]

I was unaware how the book surfaced, so thank you for pointing that out. However, I think it is worth noting that it is published by YMAA and I find it hard to believe that Dr. Yang Jwing Ming would endorse the work of a charlatan. Furthermore, he must have reviewed the manuscript or he has technical editors on hand to make sure the work is not only authentic but also accurate in its depiction of theory, knowledge, and advice. I own a large part of the YMAA catalogue and I yet to run across anything suspect. Especially since Dr. Yang Jwing Ming is such a proponent of Yang style Tai Chi Chuan. To write the book off in its entirety seems hasty.

[specialed]

I was unaware how the book surfaced, so thank you for pointing that out. However, I think it is worth noting that it is published by YMAA and I find it hard to believe that Dr. Yang Jwing Ming would endorse the work of a charlatan. Furthermore, he must have reviewed the manuscript or he has technical editors on hand to make sure the work is not only authentic but also accurate in its depiction of theory, knowledge, and advice. I own a large part of the YMAA catalogue and I yet to run across anything suspect. Especially since Dr. Yang Jwing Ming is such a proponent of Yang style Tai Chi Chuan. To write the book off in its entirety seems hasty.

you are monumentally ignorant

[Humble Disciple]

On another note I wanted to say that I am neither a shining example of morality or wu te. I would say the only thing I have to be proud about in regards to wu te, is the sincerety which I try to practice and preserve it.

Keep your free lessons. Or better yet shed them all together. They sound like so much baggage.

The whole humble disciple world, while it sounds very cheesy, is the basis of the Sifu student relationship, which you implied I did not have or understand earlier. Furthermore, it is the only way the arts will be preserved at the level at which they have been historically practiced.

It is true, respect is earned and best displayed through actions rather than words. It is with that in mind, I leave you to your opinions and hope you will agree to discontinue this confrontation. Hopefully this thread can get back to its original point.

Choy Lay Fut, Wing Chun, Hung Gar, BJJ, and Muay Tai are all great styles that contribute greatly to the martial arts.

[doug maverick]

**** We Just Ended One Flame War Now Another One Has BegUn. Poor Gene Ching Has To Manage All These Lil Children.

[David Jamieson]

man this joint is whack, you better stay back before these forum guys crack your back cause their all on crack, thats a matter of fact. they like to bring about scores and scores of flame wars,started by fake fight guru's and MMA *****s.they like to roll around they call it wrestling but its look like they getting down, and like to go downtown.

alright enough i'm running out of rhymes here.


Dude, this is a pretty good rhyme!

:p

Humble Disciple~

I've seen talk of poems in the shaolin forum. Do a search for "lyrics" and you'll dredge up the stuff for bak sil lum/ bei shaolin / north shaolin. Also, in my experience, in southern styles one of the methods is to call out the technique, do it then move on. Not so much poetry, but there is a flow to it as you get your own rythym structure happening with it. Of course, this may or may not be how it is with other. Some people can get mighty poetic while others tend to be more tactile in their methods of teaching/Learning. :)

Why practice martial arts if you have no antagonists? :)

[doug maverick]

thanks david i try.

[secretgecko]

On another note I wanted to say that I am neither a shining example of morality or wu te. I would say the only thing I have to be proud about in regards to wu te, is the sincerety which I try to practice and preserve it.

Keep your free lessons. Or better yet shed them all together. They sound like so much baggage.

The whole humble disciple world, while it sounds very cheesy, is the basis of the Sifu student relationship, which you implied I did not have or understand earlier. Furthermore, it is the only way the arts will be preserved at the level at which they have been historically practiced.

It is true, respect is earned and best displayed through actions rather than words. It is with that in mind, I leave you to your opinions and hope you will agree to discontinue this confrontation. Hopefully this thread can get back to its original point.

Choy Lay Fut, Wing Chun, Hung Gar, BJJ, and Muay Tai are all great styles that contribute greatly to the martial arts.

Really?

This has not been my experience at all.

It seems to me that in an "authentic" kung fu school the sifu is always using teaching methodologies to humble students and there is an entire system of seperation betweent he student and the sifu. A wall if you will, a line that is never crossed. The sifu can joke with you but you had better never joke with or make fun of the sifu. But then they tell stories of how they gained their skill and experience through street fights and thuggishness. A bit contradictory if you ask me.

There are also two schools within the school. The open door school where students are given jsut so much information and training. then there is the closed door students who learn higher skill levels, poetry, lyrics or whatever you want to call them.

It sounds a bit to me as though you may not have a close relationship with your sifu or you are not a backroom, closed door student.

The really good sh*t is always reserved for one or two closed door disciples who have sworn secrecy in a bai si ceremony.

If you are not one of those two guys - forget about learning the deep sh*t!

Don't expect for one second that someone with the lyrics or poetry to post it in a public forum. Not that you would understand it anyway. Those have many hidden and double meanings that you just would not comprehend.

That sh*t is not for the gwai lo!