Wing Chun Strategy

[Redrooster]

Could someone please post a link or comment on the essentials of WC strategy.

Ive done considerable reading and am left confused. Assuredly some of the

confusion comes from watching too many you tube clips and seeing far too many

styles claiming to be WC which I suspect are not.


Here are some of the concepts I associate with WC...

Close range blocking/ parrying, trapping and rapid striking.

Low kicks, for attacking and jamming opponents kicks.

Throws accompanied by strong finishing blows on the ground.

I am aware of the center line theory and angled attack but do not understand

them well.


I have also read about elbows being used and have seen full contact sparring

with students climbing over the opponents guard and using what appeared to be

verticle elbows to the clavicle. Are these techniques traditional WC as well?

Any positive thoughts are appreciated.

RR

[sanjuro_ronin]

Punch face, rinse and repeat as needed.

[monji112000]

Could someone please post a link or comment on the essentials of WC strategy.
Ive done considerable reading and am left confused. Assuredly some of the
confusion comes from watching too many you tube clips and seeing far too many
RR
If you are attempting to create a list of essential "WC" strategies from various schools, clips, ect.. your wasting your time.
First off they vary too much ("styles of WC". Second off you can't really do that from clips, ect..
Not to be negative but its honest. any good fighting style can't be summed up by a few lines. (even the "strategy"). Strategy should reflect the situation you are presented not the other way around.

basic plan = don't get knocked out. how do you go about it.. anything you feel can help the basic plan come to fruition.

[Mr Punch]

Punch face, rinse and repeat as needed.I never rinse: I like dirty fighting.


Throws accompanied by strong finishing blows on the ground.There are lots of sites that will deal with your qs. And like here some of it will doubtless cause trouble among other practitioners! :D

But my opinion on this point FWIW (the other points seem OK so far) is that

a) wing chun mostly works with sweeps and stamps over throws. This is because we don't want to break our structure or risk getting caught up and taken down (not to say this works - but it's the theory)

b) The following to the ground and 'string finishing blows' is a crock. A fundamental wing chun adage says: nearest target - nearest weapon. Following this adage if you can stay on your feet you stamp and kick the thrown/swept target, you DO NOT follow them down. I suspect this following down and punching thing is a recent development by people trying to compensate for chun not having any groundfighting and half-arsedly inventing some! Wing chun structure and the wing chun punches are not designed for following anyone down anywhere, and what looks to be strong are unrooted arm strength only punches.


I am aware of the center line theory and angled attack but do not understand

them well.Centre line is an imaginary line down the centre of your opponent. You attack it. From your centre line. It's that simple.

However, chunners being the ultimate theorists, it's been made more complicated in the name of simplification! :D
Hint: the centre line is a line, not a plane. It doesn't matter which way you are facing, you can still attack your opponent directly, you just have to change the weapon.
Hint 2: it's a theory. Do not become its slave.


I have also read about elbows being used and have seen full contact sparring

with students climbing over the opponents guard and using what appeared to be

verticle elbows to the clavicle. Are these techniques traditional WC as well?Not sure what you mean by 'climbing over the opponents guard'...? Vertical elbows as in point down? No, they are not found in any of the several wing chun lines I've been exposed to. I have seen them among some practitioners of Leung Ting's line online tho.

There's one more basic concept that makes glaring omission (actually prob more than one, but I'm out of time...): straight line attack. A straight line is always faster than a curve... so for example, if someone attacks with a hook, you should punch straight up the middle and you'll win. This is, of course, utter bollocks in many cases. There are also hooks and round kicks in wing chun, but you won't learn them for a while.


Any positive thoughts are appreciated.George W Bush can't serve another term. :)

[monji112000]

A straight line is always faster than a curve...

just to split hairs and pick a fight :D
thats 100% wrong. A straight line isn't always faster than a curve. This is the difference between theory and reality. If this was the case nobody would use curve lines for anything. It depends on the situation, most of all in relation to fighting .. timing, distance, reaction. Many boxers are able to counter straight punches with hooks.
and the faster method between two points is not always a straight line. Just try driving a perfect straight line from NY to LA. you will end up in space. If you instead drove a curved line(well not perfectly) then it would be the fastest.

But hey what do I know? Just keep throwing those powerless punches!! Maybe one will magically knock someone out.

[Mr Punch]

just to split hairs and pick a fight :D
thats 100% wrong. A straight line isn't always faster than a curve. This is the difference between theory and reality. If this was the case nobody would use curve lines for anything. It depends on the situation, most of all in relation to fighting .. timing, distance, reaction. Many boxers are able to counter straight punches with hooks.
and the faster method between two points is not always a straight line. Just try driving a perfect straight line from NY to LA. you will end up in space. If you instead drove a curved line(well not perfectly) then it would be the fastest.

But hey what do I know? Just keep throwing those powerless punches!! Maybe one will magically knock someone out.Retard. Read my post, rather than just the bit you cut out. :D

[AmanuJRY]

Protect yourself with your attack!

[monji112000]

Retard. Read my post, rather than just the bit you cut out. :D
:D Sticks and stones... I did read your post. I thought would would be fun to talk about the the topic and also point out how different styles can be( and understanding of concepts).
;)
another most fun topic is that of torque. stand square and never turning your body only using your hand to generate power. Another "strategy" adopted by some styles and not by others. the list is endless but the point remains... its like comparing apples and vodka.

[Mr Punch]

There's one more basic concept that makes glaring omission (actually prob more than one, but I'm out of time...): straight line attack. A straight line is always faster than a curve...

... This is, of course, utter bollocks in many cases. What are you arguing about you eejit? I said in many cases and you said 100%... sorry... how wrong could I be? :rolleyes:

[k gledhill]

http://www.philippbayer.info/index.php

heres some ...new video:D

[jigahus]

Punch face, rinse and repeat as needed.

I approve of this theory.

[YungChun]

thats 100% wrong. A straight line isn't always faster than a curve.

No it isn't but it is always shorter... :)

The main concept of WCK IMO is about an energy or power delivery system. This operates on the famed Centerline theory that states, simply that two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time..

So we try to fill up the space between ourselves and our opponent..

How do you prevent someone from getting into a room?

Lock the door?

But locks and doors are weak...

But if you fill the room up with junk they'll have a hard time getting in.

So we fill up the space between us and the opponent---with attack, in general..

There are a lot of supporting ideas in the system but they mainly support and maximize the efficiency of the main concept.

For a visual imagine that your power is directed in the form of a big azz high pressure water hose.. The idea is to aim that energy stream from your center to his.

The idea is to overwhelm him with this continuous power. As you move around or into the opponent you maintain focus of this power at his center and blast him out of his socks.

His resistance if in the center is either blown away by your 'stream of attack', negated by flanking him (changing the angle/moving the line) or if his resistance crosses laterally it is ignored (no unnecessary hand chasing) in order to maintain the continuity and directness of the attacking force that you project into him.

Continuous, powerful (no excessive force against force tho) and direct--that's WCK IMO..

But the Devil's in the details and how folks go about this will vary..

[k gledhill]

Could someone please post a link or comment on the essentials of WC strategy.

Ive done considerable reading and am left confused. Assuredly some of the

confusion comes from watching too many you tube clips and seeing far too many

styles claiming to be WC which I suspect are not.


Here are some of the concepts I associate with WC...

Close range blocking/ parrying, trapping and rapid striking.

Low kicks, for attacking and jamming opponents kicks.

Throws accompanied by strong finishing blows on the ground.

I am aware of the center line theory and angled attack but do not understand

them well.


I have also read about elbows being used and have seen full contact sparring

with students climbing over the opponents guard and using what appeared to be

verticle elbows to the clavicle. Are these techniques traditional WC as well?

Any positive thoughts are appreciated.

RR

strategy comes from the weapons of the system not chi-sao.

the guiding idea is that you are facing an EQUALLY armed adversary...given this scenario, where would you want to be if he/she charged you with 2 shartp knives ? and how would you approach the clash ? run and evade ? or counter by flanking the charge at precisely the right time?

bare hands have a tighter footwork , compared to knives...allowing for the extended blade. Knife footwork is taught later on to avoid confusion. The ideas stay relatively the same only the knives dont X the line like the hands do.

[MapoTofu]

Hi Red Rooster,
You raised a very interesting question and I apologize in advance for my ramblings. :confused: The concepts you associate with WC, upon inspection, IMO are not unique to Wing Chun and this humbles me because I can't think of an answer.

Centerline theory, which can assign gates to yourself certainly must surely be understood by other Arts. Similarly, "the shortest distance between two points" concept cannot only be unique to Wing Chun. Even circular punches, it can be argued, travels a "straight line" if viewed in relation to the target. As the puncher turns/torques his body, the path defined by the fist as it races towards the target, is pretty straight.

Strategies in the Kuen Kuit can similarly be attributed to other styles. So, I too am at a loss. :( What defines Wing Chun? I don't think it's strategies, I don't think it's theories. I wonder how our Ancestors defined it? Heck, I wonder how you define it.

M.T.

[Redrooster]

Lets try it this way.....

Il use a western boxer as an example as I believe they are the most difficult to defeat for many styles. The footwork and highly effective handwork pose potential problems for most styles. Ill lay out strategy for these fictional battles of styles.

Style vs style is always fun to speculate, and you may not agree with my ideas laid out here ,but remember this is about what would a Wing Chun man do ultimately.....

Against a boxer, in a street situation:

A Judoka would - work inside his punch, take him by his shirt throw him to the ground and follow him down to chioke himout or break an arm.

This fight would be decided on who scores first with thier strength , a knockout or a throw


A Tae Kwon Do fighter would- seek to fight at an outside distance, in his power range and slightly out of the boxers most effective range, looking to score a victory via kicks or kick/fist combos...

This fight would go to the boxer if he has any skill at jamming a kick or sweeping
Likely the same for a Praying Mantis kung fu man.

Ba Gua fighter would- circle and attempt to exploit any opening with a palm strike.

While ba Gua intrigues me I believe a western boxers footwork is superior even to Ba Guas and his arsenal of punches is superior as well

Muay Thai man- Strong leg kicks to neutralize forward momentum, clinch and elbows/knees to finish.

Muay Thai along with the Judoka in my opinion have the best chance of defeating the boxer. the thai fighter has the advantage outside and in the clinch, the boxer has superior hands and footwork- flip a coin

Now I know some of you will disagree with what Ive said but I believe this to be correct at least in a general sense.

Ive always believed that a boxer has the edge on the WC man, with superior footwork and an outside game, jabs and straight rights , as well as a decent inside game with hooks and uppercuts.

However the more I read about WC tactics the more I like it and the more I want to learn. I admit my knowledge of it is less than Japanese and Korean arts. How would WC deal with hooks and uppercuts inside as well as the footwork and head movement of a boxer?

In an attempt to answer my own question I will look to a recent boxing match you may have seen. Ricky Hatton vs. F. mayweather Jr. Hatton pressed the attack, his style is to press and jam the more tradition mayweather. Now in this fight Hatton lost, but in a street encounter he would have overwhelmed maywether, at least in my opinion. Would this be the best WC tactic, to jam the boxer?

So you tell me how a Wing Chun man beats a western boxer in a street fight?

I look forward to your replies!

RR

[Knifefighter]

just to split hairs and pick a fight :D Many boxers are able to counter straight punches with hooks.

Just to split hairs... a hook is a straight line punch.

[sihing]

Lets try it this way.....

Il use a western boxer as an example as I believe they are the most difficult to defeat for many styles. The footwork and highly effective handwork pose potential problems for most styles. Ill lay out strategy for these fictional battles of styles.

Style vs style is always fun to speculate, and you may not agree with my ideas laid out here ,but remember this is about what would a Wing Chun man do ultimately.....

Against a boxer, in a street situation:

A Judoka would - work inside his punch, take him by his shirt throw him to the ground and follow him down to chioke himout or break an arm.

This fight would be decided on who scores first with thier strength , a knockout or a throw


A Tae Kwon Do fighter would- seek to fight at an outside distance, in his power range and slightly out of the boxers most effective range, looking to score a victory via kicks or kick/fist combos...

This fight would go to the boxer if he has any skill at jamming a kick or sweeping
Likely the same for a Praying Mantis kung fu man.

Ba Gua fighter would- circle and attempt to exploit any opening with a palm strike.

While ba Gua intrigues me I believe a western boxers footwork is superior even to Ba Guas and his arsenal of punches is superior as well

Muay Thai man- Strong leg kicks to neutralize forward momentum, clinch and elbows/knees to finish.

Muay Thai along with the Judoka in my opinion have the best chance of defeating the boxer. the thai fighter has the advantage outside and in the clinch, the boxer has superior hands and footwork- flip a coin

Now I know some of you will disagree with what Ive said but I believe this to be correct at least in a general sense.

Ive always believed that a boxer has the edge on the WC man, with superior footwork and an outside game, jabs and straight rights , as well as a decent inside game with hooks and uppercuts.

However the more I read about WC tactics the more I like it and the more I want to learn. I admit my knowledge of it is less than Japanese and Korean arts. How would WC deal with hooks and uppercuts inside as well as the footwork and head movement of a boxer?

In an attempt to answer my own question I will look to a recent boxing match you may have seen. Ricky Hatton vs. F. mayweather Jr. Hatton pressed the attack, his style is to press and jam the more tradition mayweather. Now in this fight Hatton lost, but in a street encounter he would have overwhelmed maywether, at least in my opinion. Would this be the best WC tactic, to jam the boxer?

So you tell me how a Wing Chun man beats a western boxer in a street fight?

I look forward to your replies!

RR

Firstly, someone trained in Wing Chun is still fighting in their own way, it is just that they are adding what the system has taught them to their natural instinct. IMO WC is a training system, something that is added on to what you already have. Now, what abilities or attributes does WC give you? In a nutshell, it gives you powerful/efficient/non telegraphic strikes (fists, palms, forearms, elbows, etc..), with defence built into the attack , backed up by flexible and stable/mobile footwork, all done in close range situations (within 12" from your opponent). The key thing is to get to the optimum distance to utilize your tools most effectively, but this does not mean one is useless in the longer ranges when trained in Wing Chun. People talk allot and say that the opponent will not just stand in front of you and let you hit them, this of course is partially true, but for the opponent to hit you, they need to be still in the very moment that they hit. The best boxers can do this and get out very quickly, this is why some think they are moving and hitting simultaneously. Watch any video of any good boxer and you will see what I am talking about(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LciIie3a_bQ , notice when Mayweather is getting his combo's off, he is basically in a stationary position, just resetting as his opponents react to the blows. He is fighting in the boxing range and using his superior speed to land blows the other guys can't see coming). Boxers use footwork to set up their attack and defence, not while they are actually hitting. As a WC man, we can play the attack game or counter attacker game, the key is to be aggressive, maintain the distance and put the other guy on their heels and retreating (it's hard for a boxer to hit while backing up). If you let them get their combination off, you will get hit and KO'd. One thing that is important to remember, is that in the ring, you need a large repertoire of attacking weapons (jabs, hooks, uppercuts, crosses, overhands, etc..) due to the fact that there are rules/regulations/scoring systems that bring forth an exchange of blows during the bout. WC in essence is much simpler than boxing, as our main weapon is a straight punch. On the street the luxury of having prior knowledge of your opponents strength's/weaknesses, and tweaking your training to your opponent is non existent, all you have are the tools (arms, legs, head), and the training you have put them thru, plus the mental attitude to do what is needed in a street fight to survive.

Anything can happen in a fight, and anyone can get caught with a good shot, and lights out. IMO WC offers a good counter system to Boxing. I also believe at certain levels there are similarities to the two arts, it is just we use our body's in a different way to generate power, and move. Boxers are way more mobile and active in their footwork, but they do so at a longer range than WC, and IMO the closer you are in to the guy, the less footwork you will be using. In the end, you also have to consider timing, distancing, your ability to read your opponents moves and react accordingly based on your training and what you have trained in, WC works on strictly our reaction using our bodies (ie. elbows in vs. elbows out, facing square vs. side on, etc etc...), you still have to learn how to relate to a moving target trying to hit you, while avoiding the hits and landing your own. I could teach you everything in WC you would ever use in a few days time, it is up to you to train it, absorb what it is trying to teach you, all the while understanding what it is all about and then by training properly, learn how to apply it in a real situation against the above situations.

Just my 2 cents:)

James

[Redrooster]

I think thats a pretty fine answer. It also reflects some things Ive been reading

since my post. It seems that people in the know believe that WC is a very flexible

art that can become a reflection of your ability and who you are.

It seems to me, from what Ive been able to pick up, is that once your basics are

mastered you can create from there, the same way a Jazz master learns his

scales on the way to improvisation. Indeed the same way Bruce Lee founded his

JKD. Alot of WC With the rest added that suited him best.


This idea also clears up alot of confusion that Ive encountered in watching video

clips, people doing things in WC context but with their own bells and whistles.

Very interesting...... I think its time to get commited!

Thanks for that post Sihing.


RR

[T.D.O]

that would be the best way to get answer to your question....

we do alot of training against other styles..... and learn bit's of other styles

all styles work... it's just how good you are at your style

[couch]

I think thats a pretty fine answer. It also reflects some things Ive been reading

since my post. It seems that people in the know believe that WC is a very flexible

art that can become a reflection of your ability and who you are.

It seems to me, from what Ive been able to pick up, is that once your basics are

mastered you can create from there, the same way a Jazz master learns his

scales on the way to improvisation. Indeed the same way Bruce Lee founded his

JKD. Alot of WC With the rest added that suited him best.


This idea also clears up alot of confusion that Ive encountered in watching video

clips, people doing things in WC context but with their own bells and whistles.

Very interesting...... I think its time to get commited!

Thanks for that post Sihing.


RR

Sihing/James had a great post and posted a great vid too!

Just wanted to add that Wing Chun is YOURS. I don't know about everyone else's Sifu/Teacher, but mine always told me that he'd give me Wing Chun and to make it mine.

I think that when we get into the B.S. of "that's not Wing Chun," it's more about the flavour than anything else. For the most part, the core is the same.

Lastly, Redrooster, just keep learning. It's cool that we have everyone off in all these directions because you can get a lot from each other in regards to the way they use the tools.

Best,
Kenton Sefcik

[LoneTiger108]

Reading through a few of the posts I think that people may be forgetting one good strategy that I personally remember being taught quite early on.

Attack the opponents strongest weapon.

A puncher? Take out his arms, deaden the shoulders, elbows and fists by striking them continuously.

A grappler? Break his fingers and unsettle his waist, again by striking!

A kicker? Charge in to strike the upper leg, stamp the instep and break the shin.

Ofcourse, this would require specific drills and understanding of positioning, timing and accuracy but if you've trained enough in the basics these ideas should already be there IMO. Everyone may not agree, sometimes it's easier to strike the weakest area of a fighter (like taking a boxers legs out) Every attack you throw doesn't have to hit the same target, and every attack can be excecuted with more than just the fists alone.

ps. I'm personally not much of a fighter :eek:

[sihing]

Sihing/James had a great post and posted a great vid too!

Just wanted to add that Wing Chun is YOURS. I don't know about everyone else's Sifu/Teacher, but mine always told me that he'd give me Wing Chun and to make it mine.

I think that when we get into the B.S. of "that's not Wing Chun," it's more about the flavour than anything else. For the most part, the core is the same.

Lastly, Redrooster, just keep learning. It's cool that we have everyone off in all these directions because you can get a lot from each other in regards to the way they use the tools.

Best,
Kenton Sefcik


Hi Kenton:)

I've realized that in essence WC is a training model, you learn the stuff it teaches you and then you apply it as you see fit. For example, I used to think that economy of motion strictly dealt with the idea of efficient movement and being non telegraphic, now I also consider it to also mean that you can use what you want from the system to fight with. Sometimes you may only need a little bit of it to set the guy up, sometimes more, it depends on who you are dealing with and what their skills are and what you want to do in the given situation (sometimes we are more defensive, sometimes we are more aggressive, remember assault holds prison time in most countries today, who wants to go to jail because of a jerk). I can push you out or knock you out, the choice is up to me and how I want to use the art.

In the beginning we have to be strict about it all and do everything very precisely, according to WC concept, principle and application. Then after that is done we can be more natural and adapt it to how we understand it and our own attributes and needs, the thing is people get stuck in the process and feel there is no need to advance. Sifu Lam is a perfect example of someone that is natural with it, you don't see the YJKYMA or elbow down to much, because he just does it and use it as he see's fit. Not too many people are at that level, and to trying to imitate someone that good is wrong as well. We all must travel the same road to gain the skills, once we do it is up to us to apply them.

James

[sihing]

Reading through a few of the posts I think that people may be forgetting one good strategy that I personally remember being taught quite early on.

Attack the opponents strongest weapon.

A puncher? Take out his arms, deaden the shoulders, elbows and fists by striking them continuously.

A grappler? Break his fingers and unsettle his waist, again by striking!

A kicker? Charge in to strike the upper leg, stamp the instep and break the shin.

Ofcourse, this would require specific drills and understanding of positioning, timing and accuracy but if you've trained enough in the basics these ideas should already be there IMO. Everyone may not agree, sometimes it's easier to strike the weakest area of a fighter (like taking a boxers legs out) Every attack you throw doesn't have to hit the same target, and every attack can be excecuted with more than just the fists alone.

ps. I'm personally not much of a fighter :eek:


The thing is, in a real fight you have little time to analyse and find out what type of fighter the other guy is, so you must have something that does not fight the tools, but rather fights the man and works against most people in surprise situations. Fighting in a ring or competition is different because you have time to train specifically for the opponent you are facing, and are governed by rules and other things that bring about certain situations. Of course boxers and MMA guys can fight on the street but if they do so the same as they fight in the ring or octagon they may be surprised by what happens. Also there are times when the guy you are fighting is just plain old better than you with superior skills, strength, speed and experience, so there is not much you can do there if you are weapon less.

James

[KimWingChun]

Say "Look behind you! A three headed monkey!"
Then proceed to kick him in the groin and run away.

[LoneTiger108]

The thing is, in a real fight you have little time to analyse and find out what type of fighter the other guy is, so you must have something that does not fight the tools, but rather fights the man and works against most people in surprise situations...

I thought that was what I was suggesting in my post James. The thing here is that the 'man' you want to defeat has refined tools according to your previous examples. This is all I used as a template here. I understand that you may not know too quickly how a person is going to attack you in a real situation, but with certain training you should be able to see all the weakest/strongest areas and use what you have to enter and control.


...Also there are times when the guy you are fighting is just plain old better than you with superior skills, strength, speed and experience, so there is not much you can do there if you are weapon less.

Then I would suggest rule number 36! RUN!!!

Or pick up a familiar weapon of your own and be prepared to be hurt yourself.

You have also said before:


We all must travel the same road to gain the skills, once we do it is up to us to apply them.

The same road? If only this was true today! I am tryting to pick up on similarities and enhance my own understanding of where I'm at these days, but I have a strong feeling that all our roads have been different, especially from family to family. Core knowledge seems to be similar, but individual interpretation of 'how to' train is very different from what I've read/seen.

Guidance is essential for proper progression. This can only come in two forms IMO, from your Sifu and from your training partners. If you have none of these available, self exploration is the only option and a very dangerous one indeed. Outside influences are now also at an all time high.

[sanjuro_ronin]

The only strategy I ever advocate in terms of "generalizations" is to fight YOUR fight.
Do what you do best.
That said, I am a firm believer in "prepare for the worse".
If one does assume anything, it is that his opponent is better, stronger and faster than they are.
Some people don't follow the prepare for the worse case scenario view because in terms of probability, it may never happen, I mean what are the chances of facing a trained fighter in the "real world"?
Pretty slim, but they way I see it, if I can "handle" a trained fighter, then I can handle a "average joe", it doesn't work the other way around.

[Ali. R]

Attack the attack…

Stay with what comes and follow what goes (lower and upper triangle)…

He goes fast you go slow…

He goes slow you go fast…

He goes hard you go soft…

He goes soft you go hard…

Continue to ask when under stress (mon sao)…

Jerk, pull and push… ect.


Ali Rahim…

[sanjuro_ronin]

He goes fast you go slow…

He goes slow you go fast…

He goes hard you go soft…

He goes soft you go hard…



Jerk, pull and push… ect.




Dude....and they say BJJ is gay :D

LOL !

[Ali. R]

Hey what can you say, people are people just like everyone else…


Ali Rahim

[T.D.O]

train to take a punch.... lol


my sifu's use to do a lot of training in ZSK (i think) for taking hit's

so when demonstrating application they actuly hit each other (not with gloves or head gear) and it never looks soft :eek:

which is somthing i like learning, relax into it and take there energy (turn and lap sau) i only do it on the chest though.... :o

[MapoTofu]

Hey RR,

I've thought a lot about your question and on a hunch, asked a few Teachers, PhDs, Graduate students of different disciplines to summarize their field of research. It is an interesting exercise, and one will continue and recommend to everyone.

One Sifu told me that Wing Chun is a scientific art where techniques and theories are backed up by physics, psychology and human nature. He smiled and added, "just like every other Martial Arts discipline."

Sorry I don't have much to offer, but I have to thank you again for asking this question.