White Crane Form

[Lama Pai Sifu]

From my secret KF collection..lol

A video we got back in the 80's. Several white crane hands forms, some sword, speak and staff.

I'll put up some of the others if anyone is intersted.

WHITE CRANE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPnRtYD6Q9c)

[Gru Bianca]

Yes, please, if you don't mind I'd be very grateful if you could post also the other videos you have.

Thank you.

Regards

[brothernumber9]

That was really cool. There is a striking resemblence in some movements to CLF in a flow/combo kinda way (from an outside perspective). Actually, very "southern"-like without much of the short arm techs.

[Lama Pai Sifu]

Good point. The Tibetan styles are Southern. Period.

Many people don't understand the fact that because you are using long range techniques that a styles isn't Nothern. Not to mention that all the long range tech is shortened when needed. Long Arm/range teach how to generate the unique Tibetan style power, once you learn it, you can do it long or short. :)

[jow yeroc]

Cool vid. I too saw some CLF technique resemblance and also it "felt" like a
couple of the lama forms i've seen you guys do. As a practitioner of both
CLF and Lama are they complimentary in your opinion. I'm not a player of
either style but it seems that together they can form a beautiful synthesis of
techniques. I could be wrong but i like the vid anyway.:cool:

[lkfmdc]

there are a few different lineages of Pak Hok Pai, at least one has been very influenced by "Shaolin" styles and thus shares many similarities to Choy Lay Fut. I am not up much on the CLF history (arguments and debates, etc) but it does appear a lot of cross over between CLF and Lion's Roar lineages, ie I know a lot of teachers who have done both

[jdhowland]

Thanks for posting this. Classical straight road form with relaxed power.

Do you know the origin of the set?

JD

[diego]

From my secret KF collection..lol

A video we got back in the 80's. Several white crane hands forms, some sword, speak and staff.

I'll put up some of the others if anyone is intersted.

WHITE CRANE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPnRtYD6Q9c)

Thank you for digging in the archive:). Can you tell me what is the idea behind the recipricating fist form?.
I like it... quite a few fighting combo's in there!.

[Lama Pai Sifu]

Here is;

Gum Gong Kuyhn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzUU2_D_qiI)
(Diamond Fist)


and

Tiet Lien Kuyhn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTyOMVpc28c)
(Iron Chain Fist)

Enjoy

(So that is 5 White Crane Hand Forms on my youtube channel if anyone is interested)

[HOKPAIWES]

It is nice to see how different the Chan Hak Fu brand* of sets differ from the other lineages. I would like to have a copy of all these TWC youtube vids to load up on my ipod etc.. .

[Lama Pai Sifu]

Another White Crane form.

TWC FORM (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=45pwnB1ppBw)

Like it?

[HOKPAIWES]

Another White Crane form.

TWC FORM (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=45pwnB1ppBw)

Like it?


Not really. The performer is just ripping thru it and his strikes aren't really fast, just hurried together, crane doesn't work that way. The intensity is good but the practioner is doing no favors in expressing
his skill. For example when he closes the set to earth his back heel is off the carpet.


I prefer the other TWC videos to this one, Thanks for taking the time to share. Do you have any TWC fight/sparring videos in your archive?

[HOKPAIWES]

Here is;

Gum Gong Kuyhn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzUU2_D_qiI)
(Diamond Fist)


and

Tiet Lien Kuyhn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTyOMVpc28c)
(Iron Chain Fist)

Enjoy

(So that is 5 White Crane Hand Forms on my youtube channel if anyone is interested)


I really like the Iron Chain set, Alot. The section starting about 1:40 into the video is so well done.

[Gru Bianca]

Another White Crane form.

TWC FORM (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=45pwnB1ppBw)

Like it?

Thank you so much for posting.

I do like it as I know for sure that the performer could rip heads off with his kungfu.

Regards

[Gru Bianca]

Not really. The performer is just ripping thru it and his strikes aren't really fast, just hurried together, crane doesn't work that way. The intensity is good but the practioner is doing no favors in expressing
his skill. For example when he closes the set to earth his back heel is off the carpet.


I prefer the other TWC videos to this one, Thanks for taking the time to share. Do you have any TWC fight/sparring videos in your archive?

Now I know we have different taste and judgment parameters :)

Regards

[jdhowland]

Thanks, Michael.

I keep looking for some similarity to the two versions of Iron Chain that I learned but I have been unable to see any sequences in common beyond the sao jong at the end.

Good stuff! Do you know who the performer is?

JD

[HOKPAIWES]

Now I know we have different taste and judgment parameters :)

Regards


LoL Gru,

Anyone with the right spirt who has been training TWC can fight, I'm not worried about that. The fellow looks very strong, in demo mode like with these clips I prefer to admire the technique. I find it much more challenging to mimic the timed pace and style of the smaller performer. I can admit I'm more on the tech side than the aggressive, no worries.

[Gru Bianca]

LoL Gru,

Anyone with the right spirt who has been training TWC can fight, I'm not worried about that. The fellow looks very strong, in demo mode like with these clips I prefer to admire the technique. I find it much more challenging to mimic the timed pace and style of the smaller performer. I can admit I'm more on the tech side than the aggressive, no worries.

I do respect your point of view, nothing wrong with what you prefere or like to look for.
I think tough that the spirit of the two performances were totally different, one was (I believe) a kind of instructional video and the other a performance at some sifu's birthday.
I to be honest, did not like much the first two videos, couse I didn't see a very good execution even for an instructional video, but I admit I've not much authority to say so, therefore I may be totally wrong.

Thanks for your imput any way, I'll try to watch the videos again with your perspective.

Regards,

jdhowland

I also thought the same about the Tit lin

[mok]

Thanks for posting this. Classical straight road form with relaxed power.
JD

"relaxed power" is an understatement...

Pardon my sayin' so, but I didn't like this performer at all -- too fruity.

[Lama Pai Sifu]

Yeah, I have to agree. I don't really like his performace either. I don't believe that the original tape was instructional, I think it was just to archieve them.

Granted, it's hard to tell wether or not he's giving it 100% and playing the form, or if he's just doing a 50% walk thru.

Either way, I thought that you guys would enjoy some of the techniques. Although I can detect the occasional 'shaolin' influence, most of the techniques follow or adhere to the true Tibetan method, i.e., short stances, constant waist turning, punches NOT coming from a chambered position, etc.

[jdhowland]

[QUOTE=Lama Pai Sifu;835690]Yeah, I have to agree. I don't really like his performace either. I don't believe that the original tape was instructional, I think it was just to archieve them.

Granted, it's hard to tell wether or not he's giving it 100% and playing the form, or if he's just doing a 50% walk thru.
QUOTE]

I wasn't at all disappointed that he didn't give it full speed or power (or even full form for that matter--note how his back arm is lazily dropped in many strikes). I have some videotapes that look a lot like this from the '80s when we did something similar to archive our styles of Bak Hok and Lama. It may just show an attempt to conserve energy for a long day of filming. Our school doesn't do forms competitions or demos so I wouldn't expect flashy athleticism in a film designed to illustrate the system.

The performer lacked fighting focus in the techniques but you can tell he knows how to move in the style.

[lkfmdc]

The tape(s) were made so a student could remember the forms, but I don't really like how the forms are played. It should also be noted that the guy on the tapes isn't exactly a "master". He was a PHD in enginering student who had taken privage lessons in Hong Kong, and then taught an American guy when he was doing his PHD in the US (I got the tape from the American guy, then gave it to Mike)