Can you spot the Sickness?

[Black Jack II]

Ok, first off I have always wanted to go to Japan. It's one of the few Asian countries I want to make my way over to. I think it would be an amazing trip if done right and I look forward to sometime going their in the future.

That said......

From certain things I have read and certain things anyone can see and also from speaking with businessmen I have meet who have traveled over to Japan, I believe their is a certain sick and twisted undercurrent to the Japenese porno market.

Something that may go deep into its modern subculture and can be seen from those who have read or seen any Magna or Hentai. Something as a father I find very sick.

So can you spot the sickness, and no I don't meant this joke of a turd who is in this funny video, look closer and you will see two quicks shots of something that I find vulgar to say the least.

Hint, the first got my eye just after the 1:00 minute mark.


http://vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/5301

[fopah]

i think the whole thing is pretty disturbing.

[rogue]

I think some of it is about control and I found what he said around 50 sec. mark disturbing. The guy has serious issues.

[Black Jack II]

Rogue, disturbing since second number one.

But did you notice what was more than just disturbing about the guy and about a few of the dolls...?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Well, given my track record with Women the last few years, I am almost ready to say that this guy has the right idea....except I'd rather be a celibate monk before going doll....

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

What I found really disturbing is that some of those dolls look like little girls, and child Anime characters not Woman. Quite gross in my opinion.

[Black Jack II]

What I found really disturbing is that some of those dolls look like little girls, and child Anime characters not Woman.

Bingo.

After the 1:00 mark you get a flash of some very small kid sized dolls in the far background, call them what you want but their kids all the same, and anyone with a brain knows what kind of sick douche is buying them.

At the vids end you get a much closer peek. When did it get cool in Japan to make pedo sex dolls and I wonder if we have laws for that here in America?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Better for those types to perv out on thier dolls, than real little girls.

[Mr Punch]

Dood, I haven't got any time now, but you're just scraping tip of the iceberg.

It's called 'roricon' ('Lolita complex'). Don't forget you can get maid cafes over here, some of which are quite cool in an odd way, but some of which are only staffed by high school girls. I've not been to either kind as yet and of course, I'm going to check them out.

There is a huge 'aidoru' (idol) culture over here, which starts with pre-teen girlie bands like 'Morning Musume' ('Morning Daughter') and goes all the way through to high-school and junior high school targeted manga like 'Young Jump' which is filled with young teens in bikinis... and no, it's not just the JHS kids reading them, but there's an alarming amount of old businessmen reading them too.

Standard manga all have some element of it... think of all the faves: Azumi, the ninjette, started when she was supposed to be 14 and every book had her getting her kit off at some point... and of course she hasn't grown significantly adult-looking in the 40-odd copies that have followed; the manga to Ghost in the Shell - the origin of the excellent Mamoru Ishii anime has a few full-colour pages in it, one section of which is given to Kusanagi's graphic lesbian orgy... now, OK, she's definitely adult but it just goes to show how mainstream fetish is over here.

Child porn was outlawed in the 90s if I remember, but the yakuza still produce schoolgirl porn AFAIK (there was a dirty little apartment where they were making it in a dirty big Yakuza-owned apartment building in the first place I worked here 8 years ago).

There is only one plus to the whole thing porn industry over here, and that in no way vilifies the dark side: porn stars seem to have no stigma at all attached to them over here, and can quit and get normal or other high-paid entertainment jobs quite easily.

What I can say is, all cultures have disturbing elements, and you shouldn't let it put you off coming here. There are loads of good things to outweigh the creeps.

And if you do come, I'll show you round a couple of things in Tokyo... :)

[Mr Punch]

Better for those types to perv out on thier dolls, than real little girls.That actually brings up three points:

1) A lot of people who buy these things are model nuts... their geekery isn't in perving, but in the models. The plastic model industry here is hyyyyuuuuuuuge and has a lot of really famous, skilled and detailed designers whose limited edition work goes for really really surprising prices.

2) Most of the otaku who do buy loads of plastic models and idol dvds and whatever would never do anything... they're mostly completely surrounded by other otaku and/or are hikikomori (a peculiarly Japanese phenomenon of young mostly male recluses). Personally, having seen many interviewed on Japanese TV, I don't think they're far enough emotionally or mentally developed to ever even associate these plastic models with anything anywhere nearly approximating a live human female. Seriously. It's a world away from western teenagers listening to rap and associating women with worthless biatches and hoes, even if you agree with that model of influence.

3) They are all adults though, which is still worrying.

[ingchao]

Almost worse than the pedophilia is the necrophilia implied.

[Golden Spider]

Tolerating behavior is what reduces stigmas, once you accept it, it becomes "normal".
Tolerance is the enemy. ~My two cents.

[SPJ]

dummy or doll are toys for make believe.

dummy you may practice punching and throwing.

soldier or superman doll you play with them talking or pretending fighting.

--

these are fine.

but to have relationship with an inanimate object is really not that healthy.

I will stay with a live person.

:eek:

[SPJ]

on the techno side,

pretty soon there will be robot dates??

:D

[boshea]

Tolerating behavior is what reduces stigmas, once you accept it, it becomes "normal".
Tolerance is the enemy. ~My two cents.

The problem with this statement is that you don't define what is or is not to be tolerated. When you are talking about harmful things, yes, tolerance is the enemy. But the way you have stated it is too broad.

[IronWeasel]

on the techno side,

pretty soon there will be robot dates??

:D



Thank Gawd!!

[Golden Spider]

The problem with this statement is that you don't define what is or is not to be tolerated. When you are talking about harmful things, yes, tolerance is the enemy. But the way you have stated it is too broad.

It all depends upon the standards of a culture. There are a lot of things about Japan, I love, and a lot of things, I would have a very hard time living with. Based upon comparative standards, anyone can consider themselves to be ethical, or moral, etc.
Then other people may disagree... Sex-dolls in the guise of a child, are totally unacceptable to me. People that promote said child-dolls, after any fashion, are unacceptable *to me*.
~But that's just my opinion...

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Sex-dolls in the guise of a child, are totally unacceptable to me. People that promote said child-dolls, after any fashion, are unacceptable *to me*.
~But that's just my opinion...

Reply]
Like I said before, better for the perve to redirect his focus to the doll, than to a real child...especially if it's a perve who really does not want to harm a child, but does not have the open self controll to stop himself. Giving that guy a doll, if it allows him to keep his perversions to himself and not seek a little kid, is a good thing as far as I am concerned.

It helps him from committing an atrocity he himself does not want to commit by giving him a faux object to release his sexual frustration on; so he can keep himself composed around real children.

[Golden Spider]

I can't argue with your logic, but the fact of the matter is reprehensible.

[fopah]

But that's is not what this guy is using them for... apparently he is such a pushover that he has had women walk all over him for so long that he gave up looking for a decent girl and decided to poke a doll.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I am at that point myself, except after dating the Doll Chick, I am afraid of dolls as much as I am Women....:(

[sanjuro_ronin]

Disturbing is an understatement.
Some serious issues there.

Never understood that "lolita complex" myself, thank goodness.
I like my women, looking like women not little girls and I like them in the flesh too, wierd eh?

Many cultures have very strange sexual peculiarities.

[Shaolin Wookie]

I don't have much of an issue with some dude porking a Barbie doll. I just think it's strange that he decided, after having spent 170,000 dollars on plastic poontang, that his was a feel-good story worthy of the morning news.

[Mr Punch]

OK OK, I've watched the vid now, and it's just some random sicko.

I didn't see anything looking like a child doll (nor anything indicative of some of the rather disturbing predilections of the population as a whole), and though there are some young-looking dolls there, I am sheepishly reminded that my 26 year old wife very often looks ten years younger and this is common among Japanese females. I am completely with Sanjuro though. Honest!:)

[golden arhat]

i couldnt watch it BJ as i'm at college, will when i get home

what was it ?


some of my relatives have worked in japan and say alot of the guys that are my age (nearly 17 now) are nothing like we are here with regards to women.


i feel kind of sorry for them :(



lol some of the guys from my gym go over to japan to train sometimes also
they went to fuzoku bars or something, but yeah prostitution and porn seem to be totally acceptable there, maybe its that. video tapes are too available maybe if porn werent acceptable it might force some of these guys to go and find real girlriends haha, might explain tthe birth crisis there aswell.


i love the west, japan seems an interesting and beautiful country tho and i'd definitley like go visit

[Black Jack II]

I didn't see anything looking like a child doll (nor anything indicative of some of the rather disturbing predilections of the population as a whole

Really....really....:confused:

I sure as heck saw it. Plain as day to me. Looked like pre-teen/child sized dolls for sale at the factory.


As for the population as a whole, its hard to say that about any country but Japan does seem to have some very disgusting trends towards the porn when viewed as a bizzare whole.

Pre-teen style hentai, forced rape hentai on young looking girls, hardcore gore porn, fecal matter porn, sharking, stomp porn (which is so disgusting-their is a video on the net for urban legends which showcases this-stomping young cats to death), rape porn, jap school girl porn....lots of things that one could say are a bit ****ed up.

Not saying other *******s in other countries don't have this, just pointing this out in specific as it seems to be a trend.

[rogue]

We were laughing about this at work, but it really is disturbing when you think about it for even a second. :eek:

Honey, this is... (http://www.dollforum.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=17903#182996)


Ok, this is a true story and it would be interesting to hear from others who may be facing, have faced or are thinking of facing this same "situation"....

After allmost a year of seperation, a chance meeting between my old "flame" of four years and i resulted in a whirlwind of reconciliation and understanding. During this time ( about a week) i kept mentioning that i had a possible "deal breaker" to discuss with her Shocked . She kept telling me to "let it go" till after the New Year....

So, there i was, back with my sweetheart and having "another woman" to deal with... Not the RG, but the RD... Shocked So many thoughts kept going thru my mind... hide the doll... sell the doll... store the doll away... show her the doll... Confused

Honesty being the best of all policies, i told her about the doll..... Uhoh
Hard to say what i actually said to her, but the net result was her wanting to see Kaci... ( warning: don't name your doll after a woman whom your RG may not have liked #Fist )... and an open attitude.....

Well, we "saw" Kaci, but it was a nightmare... Shocked. No, not in that she flipped out and became enraged or anything like that, but i had not really "set the stage" so to speak....

Kaci has her own room, she is allways "hung" from the cable of her hoist/stand. That's exactly how she looked when i opened the door to the room... Eeek Needless to say, RG was freaked out by that !! Eeek Combine the realism of these dolls with an inital macabre scene and you get what i mean.... Rolling Eyes There i was, one freaked out RG, one RD and me just wanting a good stiff drink Uhoh What do you do now..? Rolling Eyes

It all did work out, i still have Kaci, the RG is "ok" with it and i guess time will tell... One bit of advice to those who face this situation. Give the RG the "final decision" over your doll.... Oh, and make sure that things don't "look bad" Wink

[Shaolinlueb]

hahahaha

is that a pleasure model?

nws link
www.realdoll.com

[andyhaas]

It's just a matter of culture. In the U.S., nobody thinks twice about watching somebody's head get blown off, or thinks much about thousands of civilian casualties in Iraq or Yugoslavia, whereas one American gets his leg blown off and they have an entire segment of 'Home Improvement' about it.

(Not that I'm complaining, since, hey, I'm American, but ...)

In Europe, they freak out over violence, since they had WWII on their own soil, but it's not uncommon to see people topless in beaches. Here, try going topless on non-nude beaches and you can actually get arrested.

So ... ??? ??? Who knows.

Oh, and I should add, forgot where they said it was in Japan, but supposedly, it is common for families to go to the hot springs nude, whereas like when you're going to hot springs here in the U.S. whence backpacking, it's common to go nude as well ... do you think that one person's 'porn' is another person's naked body??

Far cry from glorifying violence like we seem to do in the States, but ... ??? I guess the Euros have a point to that effect. We freak out over sex and glorify violence, I guess. ???

[Pork Chop]

Dood, I haven't got any time now, but you're just scraping tip of the iceberg.

It's called 'roricon' ('Lolita complex'). Don't forget you can get maid cafes over here, some of which are quite cool in an odd way, but some of which are only staffed by high school girls. I've not been to either kind as yet and of course, I'm going to check them out.

There is a huge 'aidoru' (idol) culture over here, which starts with pre-teen girlie bands like 'Morning Musume' ('Morning Daughter') and goes all the way through to high-school and junior high school targeted manga like 'Young Jump' which is filled with young teens in bikinis... and no, it's not just the JHS kids reading them, but there's an alarming amount of old businessmen reading them too.
.....


Dude, you forgot to mention the habit in the japanese language to label genitalia after offspring (musuko = son; manko also is daughter)... so "morning musume" kind of has a strange vibe to it...

oh yah, don't forget the porn vending machines....

or the tentacle porn....

[andyhaas]

or the tentacle porn....

Like the strips of skinless fish that you can buy, in the raw, commonly at restaurants. Something called 'sushi'.

Really freaks out midwesterners when they visit.

[Lucas]

I for one am appaled at the manner in which Sanjuro Ronin conducted himself in this thread.

Not one, human female redeeming attachment was included in his post....

:mad:

[yutyeesam]

They showed this documentary:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3710987618964917848

as an "opener" before screening the movie Lars and the Real Girl, starring Ryan Gossling.

[rogue]

Things may be getting just too weird for me!:eek:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080212144453.spddtsz8&show_article=1