Interesting youtube clip

[drleungjohn]

Thought this would provoke some discussion in a different light-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0MP0BcTlQ&feature=related

http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/

[LoneTiger108]

A paragraph from the Wing Chun part of the website link:

"The essence of Wing Chun is based upon the game of the five animals, the three awakenings and the eight barriers… And each one of these three stages is as important as the other: if one of these three were missing, it would not be Wing Chun, for Wing Chun is what is necessary and what is sufficient… "

Grandmaster Nguyen Te Cong

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Does anyone know what is being talked about here? Does your Wing Chun have these 'stages'?

It's always interesting to see other families, but I do wonder how long it's going to take us to understand that Wing Chun (in it's named form) can only really be Wing Chun AFTER Miss Yim Wing Chun passed away.

This is a great clip of Shaolin Martial Arts, but why call your school Wing Chun when you obviously specialize in other styles mainly being from Wudang influence?

Contorversial, I know, but it's the same old argument as Fukien White Crane being the 'Original Wing Chun'. Martial Artists' using the popularity of one style to help promotions imho...

[sanjuro_ronin]

That is one big honking wooden dummy !

[tjwingchun]

Personal view being that this format as with Foshan Wing Chun relies too much on the history of Shaolin to forgive the blatant lack of reality, we are moving into a new era of Wing Chun which will take many years to stabilise.

There are those who prefer this type of style of so-called Wing Chun where the applications are more theoretical and hidden, the "secrets" being mystical and shrouded in "elements" and "animals".

My view of Wing Chun has always and will always be that it is a science, "how things work" and as such must stand up practically as well as theoretically, without the usual fancy language of most "ologies" where they create their own words to isolate them from the rest of the world so that they appear to have greater knowledge when in reality they disguise the obvious with made up jargon and phrases.

Smacking a big dummy about is not an indication of ability or experience, actions without thought do not develop anything but sequence, sequence without thought will never create an independant mind that can use techniques when appropriate, to be flexible, or applied in circumstances never faced before.

[Jim Roselando]

Hello,

Here is a clip of Viet Old Timer demo'ing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJWY9PEO0Lc


N-Joy

[tjwingchun]

Nice clip of "Viet Old Timer demo'ing", but would love to know what was in his head while he was practicing rather than trying to translate what it "looks" like. I can see a lot of most martial art forms in that performance, simply because there are restricted ways we can use the arms and legs and hence the similarity and recurrence of techniques throughout the MA world.

My view is that the depth lies in the thinking of the instructor rather than the movements of their bodies.

[drleungjohn]

--looks like BaGua/Xing Yi/Wing Chun--but I would also likew to see the applications which will really define the system

[LoneTiger108]

Here is a clip of Viet Old Timer demo'ing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJWY9PEO0Lc

My point made imho...


--looks like BaGua/Xing Yi/Wing Chun--

[Jim Roselando]

Hello,


I have a friend in Boston who practices Viet WC. He learned in the Ukraine. He did not study the entire system but much of its empty hand training.

Its interesting but IMO the art has a lot of outside WC stuff in it.

I think, not 100% sure but I think, the form being demo'd is their 5 animal qigong set????

Gotta run!

[drleungjohn]

Still cool to watch as far a I am concerned-

unrelated but too good not to pass along-

http://www.break.com/ramborecommends/bully-gets-one-punched.html

[couch]

Thought this would provoke some discussion in a different light-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0MP0BcTlQ&feature=related

http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/

With that last leg-stick break, I'd be kicking my partner's a$$! Next time, don't hit with the end of the stick, but let most of the stick be on the other side so it breaks!

Yikes!

[KPM]

Personal view being that this format as with Foshan Wing Chun relies too much on the history of Shaolin to forgive the blatant lack of reality, we are moving into a new era of Wing Chun which will take many years to stabilise.

There are those who prefer this type of style of so-called Wing Chun where the applications are more theoretical and hidden, the "secrets" being mystical and shrouded in "elements" and "animals".

My view of Wing Chun has always and will always be that it is a science, "how things work" and as such must stand up practically as well as theoretically, without the usual fancy language of most "ologies" where they create their own words to isolate them from the rest of the world so that they appear to have greater knowledge when in reality they disguise the obvious with made up jargon and phrases.

Smacking a big dummy about is not an indication of ability or experience, actions without thought do not develop anything but sequence, sequence without thought will never create an independant mind that can use techniques when appropriate, to be flexible, or applied in circumstances never faced before.

Well said! I agree! :)

[LoneTiger108]

If you thought the massive dummy was strange, what do you think of this clip??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YscZucZq1T8

[tjwingchun]

Creative use of ineffectual training implements.
Rudimentary ignorance of reality.
Absence of knowledge of application.
Pretty uniforms and well trained "believers".
I think that just about covers it :D:D:D

[RAB]

i like the music.

[Mr Punch]

If you thought the massive dummy was strange, what do you think of this clip??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YscZucZq1T8They're your kung fu bros aren't they?

Some odd-looking stuff in there... can't say much more than that.

[reneritchie]

That school is here in Montreal, not too far from where I am. (Ils parle francais!)

The basics of Vietnamese Wing Chun is that some Cantonese masters like Yuen Kay-San's elder brother, Yuen Chai-Wan (Nguyen Te-Cong) and Yip Man's sihing, Lui Yiu-Chai (Luong Vu-Te) moved to Vietnam in the 1930s/40s.

I'm not sure what happened to Lui, but Yuen started in the North and ended in the South. According to rumor, he preferred teaching ethnic Cantonese, and passed on what looks like the Foshan WCK system to his ethnic Cantonese students, with the ethnic Vietnamese students getting elements of WCK.

Since systematic purity was not as important to them as survival (see wars with France and America), they basically learned, mixed it together with whatever else they learned, like 5 Animals and Qigong stuff, and village Hung, etc. and different interpretations emerged.

As with most systems, there are politics between the various descending branches, with several people spread from Canada to Russia to Vietnam claiming the "one true direct from Ng Mui" version of the art and not speaking so kindly about the others.