Oso-Tactical Firearm Vid

[Black Jack II]

Sorry your CCW class is a bit boring but to keep your spirits up I thought you may like this. Classes like these cost you some dime but man it's fun stuff and a ton of practical knowledge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUKfhbe04cQ

[xcakid]

Ehh...not bad for a basics course. :p


Here's a few video from a range here in TX that hold various tactical shooting comps. The videos were shot by a friend of mine that lives in Austin.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu9eevwozyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEecTR_onf8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xt4SONuwys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35bMZ9UnV6o

If I ever get off my ass and convert some of my training and comp videos from when I live in CA, I will post them.

[Oso]

i just found out that the range has a small, indoor tactical course/competition that they run on monday nights.....the sucky thing is that even though I'm cutting back on teaching to make more time for other things (my own training and time with the lady) the two nights a week i'm still teaching are Mon/Wed.

this past sunday about 7 of us descended upon the range and basically plopped our toys on the table and every body got to round robin shoot just about everything: .357 revolver, Glock .40, Sig .40, Taurus 9mm, our new M&p's and a couple of nice, compensated .45's. It was lots of fun.

for either of you guys: the lady and I were talking about doing a vacation type trip somewhere and maybe centering it around a good tactical course...any recommendations?

[xcakid]

for either of you guys: the lady and I were talking about doing a vacation type trip somewhere and maybe centering it around a good tactical course...any recommendations?

Why not Southern California. Sunset walks on the beach, sand, surf. And one of my favorite tactical school, TFTT (http://www.tftt.com/)

I have taken quite a few courses from these guys when I lived in SoCal. Top notch. LAPD and LA Sherriff SWAT takes lessons from them. Varous other agencies. A little pricey, but **** was it good. An ExGF and myself took the 2 man tactical shooting and it was awesome. It was reaaallllyyyy pricey. Woulda love to have someone do a home invasion on us afterwards. :D The carbine/M4 course is great. So are all of the tactical pistol courses. Highly recommended in my book. And since you are vacationing anyways, why not SoCal (L.A. area)

Course Schedule (http://www.tftt.com/calendar/)

[Black Jack II]

http://www.midwesttraininggroup.net/

All I have to say is Massad Ayoob:D

[Oso]

well, i could think of a lot of reasons why not SoCal...unless it was well away from LA.

looks cool. we were thinking someplace drivable for a long weekend...but for us that could be mid/north FLA to Michigan.

we're going to try to participate in what's going on localy first and then branch out later this year and try to get one in before the end of the year.

[Oso]

Bloomington would not be too bad at 10 hours...and yea, Ayoob.:)

[xcakid]

well, i could think of a lot of reasons why not SoCal...unless it was well away from LA.

looks cool. we were thinking someplace drivable for a long weekend...but for us that could be mid/north FLA to Michigan.

we're going to try to participate in what's going on localy first and then branch out later this year and try to get one in before the end of the year.

L.A. is not so bad. TFTT is right outside of LA, I forget the range they use but its in the Angeles National Forest. I use to live in Newport Beach and would drive there for their course. It would take me about an hour.

If you are looking close to home. These guys have gotten a lot of press. A buddy of mine did their PPD course, he said it was pretty darn good and very challenging.

Blackwater (http://www.blackwaterusa.com/courses/AT_NC_courses.html)

Or if you want to come here to No TX. I have a ton of places. You can even schedule it during Taiji Legacy and get a kung fu tourney in the mix as well. :)

[Oso]

huh, didn't know blackwater did courses...but that area of our state sux


...yea, i'm picky :D

anyone know of any courses in like Fiji or Jamaica????

[xcakid]

huh, didn't know blackwater did courses...but that area of our state sux


...yea, i'm picky :D

anyone know of any courses in like Fiji or Jamaica????

How bout right outside of Vegas. :D Frontsight (http://www.frontsight.com/)

Never taken any courses there but I hear their sub gun course is pretty good.

[Black Jack II]

I use to live in Newport Beach and would drive there for their course. It would take me about an hour.

I used to live in Laguna & Dana Point for awhile, I have family in South Cal.

Have you seen the Shark Island Yacht Club in Newport, I believe it is right off PCH and before Balboa Island.

[rogue]

OK, If the guy in the first video is teaching concealed carry why isn't he carrying concealed?

[Black Jack II]

OK, If the guy in the first video is teaching concealed carry why isn't he carrying concealed?

LOL, good question. But I like the drills eitherway.

[Oso]

Or if you want to come here to No TX. I have a ton of places. You can even schedule it during Taiji Legacy and get a kung fu tourney in the mix as well. :)

we might make it to Austin before anything else. her brother lives in Austin and we've been talking about a trip.

i also sold xmas trees in Austin one year...1993, I think. Over in the Bee Caves area. I remember 6th St. and a particular strip club on...Congress maybe...but that's another thread...

[Oso]

Holy crap...just looked at the Blackwater rates...for that kind of money I'll travel someplace else besides the effing stink ass sand hills of eastern NC

[xcakid]

I used to live in Laguna & Dana Point for awhile, I have family in South Cal.

Have you seen the Shark Island Yacht Club in Newport, I believe it is right off PCH and before Balboa Island.

Don't know that one. Newport Yacht club was on PCH, maybe its that one. Changed names. It was on the same side as Joe's Crab shack and John Dominis restaurants. Across the harbor was Newport Landing restaurant. I love to eat so I associate restaurants as landmarks. :D



Holy crap...just looked at the Blackwater rates...for that kind of money I'll travel someplace else besides the effing stink ass sand hills of eastern NC

With all the publicity, they really think highly of themselves these days.

[Black Jack II]

Yeah, it was a name change. It's actually had a few.

My family used to own it and just sold it a few years ago.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Have you checked out Gabe Suarez from Suarez International and his gun courses?

[David Jamieson]

why is he constantly in a static position?

tactical shooting when i learned it was highly mobile.

that looks like target shooting. sure he's lying down in one segment, but there's no mobility overall and he's not moving through a pop up course with blind sides everywhere etc etc.

I wouldn't refer to that as "tactical"

also, his weapon is not concealed as mentioned and his time to get it out isn't that great especially in teh scenes where he is close to the target he is moving way to slow and in actuality, the positioning is way to close to bother with unholstering.

it's a gun, your advantage is distance.

"headshots are 100% stopping power" what sort of hyperbole nonsense is that? Of course it is.

anyway, this is one former shoot enthusiast who isn't very impressed with the vid.

didn't watch the others.

[sanjuro_ronin]

"headshots are 100% stopping power" what sort of hyperbole nonsense is that? Of course it is.

Well, he "kind" of is right, not all (100%) of head shots stop everyone.

[Black Jack II]

it's a gun, your advantage is distance.

What he is doing, at least in a few of the segments is practicing close quarter combat shooting. Which in essence is much more practical than some of the things you see in the down range Tiger Valley vid or in a "pop up" style course, from the perspective of the average conflict.

It's all about different tools for different enivorments. You need to have the experience to see what the training goal is based on.

Studies have shown that a large number of self defense shooting situations occur within double-arms length-or what some people call the hole. You can see this aspect of the vid when he palm strikes the tac man from a static position then starts using his autoloader.

A good deal of basic firearm training does not take place within this ten foot hole, you would think it would but that is just not the case, a reason could be because of the potential danger, you need to be just that much more aware of yourself when working from a close quarter confrontation range.

You can see these same "style" CQB tactics at the Midwest Training Institute as practiced by the legendary Jim Cirillo, before he passed away, though much more indepth and organic than seen here.

As for why he is not carrying concealed, who knows, could be for the video sake, could be he was working on something specific, could be a lot of reasons.

Another example of CQR shooting. Now the first vid was not all CQR but a marketing mash of whatever the teacher was touching on, though a solid glimpse of the vid was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3jBdsYvcEw

[Oso]

great clip.

for me personally, I recently had a conversation with a 60 year old guy...not a martial artist...not a badass military vet...just a guy who, (in most circumstances, I think) could have probably handled himself in a street situation, said that the reason he carried concealed was because he didn't see a reason for some young sumb!tch to get away with some crap just because he was younger, faster and stronger than him.

I'm not getting any younger, I'll keep practicing what I know, but practicing realistically is having a heavier and heavier toll. Competitive fighting is for the younger man for sure, but the street is for the smarter man willing to use what is necessary to get the job done.

[rogue]

What he is doing, at least in a few of the segments is practicing close quarter combat shooting. Which in essence is much more practical than some of the things you see in the down range Tiger Valley vid or in a "pop up" style course, from the perspective of the average conflict.

It's all about different tools for different enivorments. You need to have the experience to see what the training goal is based on.

Studies have shown that a large number of self defense shooting situations occur within double-arms length-or what some people call the hole. You can see this aspect of the vid when he palm strikes the tac man from a static position then starts using his autoloader.

A good deal of basic firearm training does not take place within this ten foot hole, you would think it would but that is just not the case, a reason could be because of the potential danger, you need to be just that much more aware of yourself when working from a close quarter confrontation range.

You can see these same "style" CQB tactics at the Midwest Training Institute as practiced by the legendary Jim Cirillo, before he passed away, though much more indepth and organic than seen here.

As for why he is not carrying concealed, who knows, could be for the video sake, could be he was working on something specific, could be a lot of reasons.

One reason could be why many don't carry concealed during demos, it increases the F-up factor when trying to draw the weapon which makes the instructor look like a bozo. It's one of the dirty little secrets of CCW that few talk about and fewer practice dealing with on the range, getting a concealed weapon into ready is a biotch.


Another example of CQR shooting. Now the first vid was not all CQR but a marketing mash of whatever the teacher was touching on, though a solid glimpse of the vid was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3jBdsYvcEw

Better in that it's dynamic but I'm not too sure about the practicality of that vid either. Why for example am I palming this guy in the face, while drawing and then shooting him? I'd really like to see this technique tried against a fully resisting opponent.

I've learned this one but the instructor is missing one little thing, checking if the gun jammed when you pulled the trigger while the other guy was grabbing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLuthhQHG5I&NR=1

[xcakid]

A good deal of basic firearm training does not take place within this ten foot hole, you would think it would but that is just not the case, a reason could be because of the potential danger, you need to be just that much more aware of yourself when working from a close quarter confrontation range.

You can see these same "style" CQB tactics at the Midwest Training Institute as practiced by the legendary Jim Cirillo, before he passed away, though much more indepth and organic than seen here.



A lot of IDPA competitions address this issue. Some will have you start a stage from a seated position in a car with seat belts on. A target right outside the window. When the buzzer sounds you have to draw and shoot at the target. Other stages, you are face to face with the target. You have to push the silhoutte target just ehough to clear and draw and shoot at point blank range. I have had stages where they had you shooting while prone underneath a bed or vehicle. They also require in certain stages to have one handed shoots, off hand one handed shoots, and one handed mag changes.

I love IDPA, they really put the real world scenarios in their shooting comps. Even though it is only a comp and its paper targets. Given that you have a time limit, have to place shots (shoot, no shoot areas on the target) and the scenarios they have, you can't help but feel the pressure and stress.

Here's a video of IDPA shoot. The targets with black shading are no shoot area. If you hit that, they deduct point. Also the targets you see with handprints are no shoot targets. So it will test your target awareness. Notice most of the target are within 10ft. YOu are also required to use cover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWQdgyRtERo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na99tV3Lqwg&feature=related