MightyB
02-13-2008, 09:41 AM
reprinted from a locked 2003 thread that I posted that should be revisited:
"In an effort to keep things fresh so that we don't keep making the same arguments all the time, I think that it's imperitive that we periodically post some thoughts on what we've learned on KFO. Maybe by doing so, we can show that, yes, we can pick a few roses from the manure that is KFO. Also, it may change KFO into a more respectable place where sharing rather than arguing happens.
Now I know that we all don't read the same threads and we definitely don't agree with one another on what comes out of those threads, but everybody's opinion is valued.
This is a brief synopsis of the threads that I've read and what I see coming out of them:
I see that KFO can be divided into two main groups: The Traditionals, and the Skills Based. The main difference between the groups is the training methods that they use, but both agree that it's the training methods that make the most difference in your fighting ability.
Forms are a big issue here. In my opinion, it's a misconception about what forms are about that causes the most problems. I see forms as a training aid in helping to develop attributes that are applicable to fighting. The problem comes from a misconception from both sides-- the Skills Based and the Traditionals-- about the role that forms play. Some feel that forms are a substitute for combat. IMHO They can only be a supplement. And, if they are used as a supplement, they are of tremendous value because of the coordination that one has to develop in order to perfectly execute a form.
I am starting to see an acceptance of groundfighting here, which is great. I don't think that we have to have all the moves of the Gracies, but we should know the key fundamental positions and escapes so that we can stay on our feet. This again is a point of debate between Skills Based and Traditionals. A traditional thinks that they have the knowledge to deal with such an attack through employing a series of "dirty tricks". But, I say that you lose something if you have to resort to eye gouging, biting, scratching, and pulling hair to "defend" yourself from an attack. I feel that if these are acceptable to you then you can't be much of a martial artist because what skill sets are you showing in your art if you use these "dirty tricks"? Aren't those the responses of the untrained and incapable? Again, this is my opinion, yours could be different and it's equally valid.
And finally, politics. We will never agree, and, even if we did, does it matter? I liken these debates to arguing about politics with my grandparents. Even if one of us changes our views, we really aren't in a position to affect anything anyway, so why bother? You have your viewpoints, I have mine. I think though that we should lay off the French a little. Now we all know that the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys are a step below the Canadians and Louisianins, but I like Crimson Pheonix and feel that it would be a shame to alienate him from the boards. His viewpoints on the viable full contact art of Savate are appreciated and it would be a shame to lose them.
I also learned that Yo momma so dumb, she got fired from a blow job. Thanks Water Dragon for that update.
So, what have you learned from the threads that you read?"
So what's new?
"In an effort to keep things fresh so that we don't keep making the same arguments all the time, I think that it's imperitive that we periodically post some thoughts on what we've learned on KFO. Maybe by doing so, we can show that, yes, we can pick a few roses from the manure that is KFO. Also, it may change KFO into a more respectable place where sharing rather than arguing happens.
Now I know that we all don't read the same threads and we definitely don't agree with one another on what comes out of those threads, but everybody's opinion is valued.
This is a brief synopsis of the threads that I've read and what I see coming out of them:
I see that KFO can be divided into two main groups: The Traditionals, and the Skills Based. The main difference between the groups is the training methods that they use, but both agree that it's the training methods that make the most difference in your fighting ability.
Forms are a big issue here. In my opinion, it's a misconception about what forms are about that causes the most problems. I see forms as a training aid in helping to develop attributes that are applicable to fighting. The problem comes from a misconception from both sides-- the Skills Based and the Traditionals-- about the role that forms play. Some feel that forms are a substitute for combat. IMHO They can only be a supplement. And, if they are used as a supplement, they are of tremendous value because of the coordination that one has to develop in order to perfectly execute a form.
I am starting to see an acceptance of groundfighting here, which is great. I don't think that we have to have all the moves of the Gracies, but we should know the key fundamental positions and escapes so that we can stay on our feet. This again is a point of debate between Skills Based and Traditionals. A traditional thinks that they have the knowledge to deal with such an attack through employing a series of "dirty tricks". But, I say that you lose something if you have to resort to eye gouging, biting, scratching, and pulling hair to "defend" yourself from an attack. I feel that if these are acceptable to you then you can't be much of a martial artist because what skill sets are you showing in your art if you use these "dirty tricks"? Aren't those the responses of the untrained and incapable? Again, this is my opinion, yours could be different and it's equally valid.
And finally, politics. We will never agree, and, even if we did, does it matter? I liken these debates to arguing about politics with my grandparents. Even if one of us changes our views, we really aren't in a position to affect anything anyway, so why bother? You have your viewpoints, I have mine. I think though that we should lay off the French a little. Now we all know that the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys are a step below the Canadians and Louisianins, but I like Crimson Pheonix and feel that it would be a shame to alienate him from the boards. His viewpoints on the viable full contact art of Savate are appreciated and it would be a shame to lose them.
I also learned that Yo momma so dumb, she got fired from a blow job. Thanks Water Dragon for that update.
So, what have you learned from the threads that you read?"
So what's new?