WSL chi sau clips

[Ernie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZIkPCLT-5o#GU5U2spHI_4
nothing super fancy but nice to kill a few moments ;)

[Ernie]

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=E5DgMSmLdG4

some CK:D

[KPM]

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=E5DgMSmLdG4

some CK:D

Thanks for pointing them out Ernie! And thanks Clive Potter for putting them up! Hopefully we'll start see more and more of these type of old clips appear!

[Ernie]

Thanks for pointing them out Ernie! And thanks Clive Potter for putting them up! Hopefully we'll start see more and more of these type of old clips appear!

Yep very cool of Clive to put it out ,, Many of us [myself included] have very large collections of WSL seminars and training stuff like that but i got the stuff under the '' keep it in house clause ''

but it is nice to see little tidbits slipping through the cracks now ;)

[aaron baum]

nice clips ernie...quality chi sau...awesome body structure...

aaron

[Ernie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2mqMGOcBM

wong and bruce ?

[Ernie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yBYx5VETZw Bil Jee

[bennyvt]

those biu jee clips are supposed to be private. I dont think that does anything but make wong look bad.
the context of wearing skin tight jeans and a flanalete shirt means the kicks look bad but as he was not expecting to have peolpe see it there are various mistakes.

[Ernie]

yep i have him looking much ''crisper'' in my collection ,,, even as he got older he still kept moving better ,,, but If there out ,,, might as well enjoy them for what they are:cool:

[Matrix]

those biu jee clips are supposed to be private. I dont think that does anything but make wong look bad.
the context of wearing skin tight jeans and a flanalete shirt means the kicks look bad but as he was not expecting to have peolpe see it there are various mistakes.I think this clip is great. I only wish there was more...
I think we need to get over this idea that these people that we have placed in a position of high regard are somehow perfect. It's nice to see them being human, and in no way diminishes my respect. There may be better clips out there, but I like this one very much. If this is "looking bad" then I hope that I too can look so bad one day. ;)
As for the fashion comments, it's a total non-issue IMO.

[KPM]

I think this clip is great. I only wish there was more...
I think we need to get over this idea that these people that we have placed in a position of high regard are somehow perfect. It's nice to see them being human, and in no way diminishes my respect. There may be better clips out there, but I like this one very much. If this is "looking bad" then I hope that I too can look so bad one day. ;)
As for the fashion comments, it's a total non-issue IMO.

I agree with you 100%! :)

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2mqMGOcBM

wong and bruce ?
Cool clip Ernie. WSL even mentions Cheung Cheuk Hing in that clip.
Here's some pics of Sifu Cheung and Si-Bak WSL from HK:
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/leaf_6.asp


Phil

[Phil Redmond]

those biu jee clips are supposed to be private. I dont think that does anything but make wong look bad.
the context of wearing skin tight jeans and a flanalete shirt means the kicks look bad but as he was not expecting to have peolpe see it there are various mistakes.
Is there a clip of you doing the form better?

[russellsherry]

hi guys , earnie clive master wong, would be proud , of you guys for sharing , knowledge, my first sifu would have given you guys 10 grand for that , russ

[Ernie]

hi guys , earnie clive master wong, would be proud , of you guys for sharing , knowledge, my first sifu would have given you guys 10 grand for that , russ

LOL not to far of a stretch ,,, Cats have offered some serious $ for stuff in my collection ,, but I gave my word it stays in house ,,, no amount of scratch will pry it from VT obsessed paws ;)

[Ernie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAqPPA8eK7w

working and some changes on the dummy;)

[Ernie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ckHE4X8yUk

Looks like the flood gates are opening LOL another Ck

this is one of the seminars I have ,, he does all the forms and then some ,,wont be surprised if more clips surface ;)

[Ernie]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B4rDLWIddaU

clean dummy form;)

[mad101dan]

Pole and Knife Forms

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dATeDTE8zUc&feature=user

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vm2FIkEjoIs&feature=user

I'm sure lots of people are loving these. :)

[Ernie]

beat me to it


Pole form looked a little dead if i compare it to other copies i have ,, but he was in '' teaching mode '' usually allot crisper with a lower stance ''

Knife form had the right elements but the choreography was all mixed up half way in

WSL was known to constantly be tinkering with the forms and the sequences ,, the important part is to understand the core engine [ structure ] and how it is applied

with out that it's just a dance :cool:

[LoneTiger108]

Pole and Knife Forms

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dATeDTE8zUc&feature=user

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vm2FIkEjoIs&feature=user

I'm sure lots of people are loving these. :)

Finally, I see why WSL was so respected by my Sigung.

A good look at some fundamental exercises of the WC Pole and Knife 'forms'. Still, the Pole is so different to Lee Shing Family, but very thorough in it's technicalities from my personal pov.

Refreshing to see and understandable too imho...

[Ernie]

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=j0WOEnxFyGA bill jee

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=1ckHE4X8yUk chum kui


http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=BVLs4tuayp0 Slt

[Ernie]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4EGkqjRkbRg&feature=user :D

[Ultimatewingchun]

Thanks for sharing all the vids, Ernie.

That's the kind of thing what we need more of around here. Go back to the source(s) and see what they were/are all about - and WSL was clearly a "top source" of Yip Man's teachings.

All styles of wing chun should be doing this. This should be a place of exchange/sharing of information.

[Liddel]

Big Ups for sharing the vids guys, it very nice to have look at Sifu WSL.

DREW

[Ernie]

Vic / Drew

No worries I think thanks goes to Clive Potter and Chris [from Germany ] I'm not that generous LOL I got about 100 + hours of WSL on film and I'm keep that :D

but it is cool to see the stuff leaking out there a bit

and if any of you cats ever come my way i got no problem doing a sit down and viewing of the material I have ,,;)

[Matrix]

These clips are great.
Thanks to Clive Potter, Chris and anyone else who is "leaking" this information out. It is appreciated. :cool:

Cheers,
Bill

[Liddel]

I got about 100 + hours of WSL on film.....
EDIT....
and if any of you cats ever come my way i got no problem doing a sit down and viewing of the material I have ,,;)

Bruva thats alot of popcorn we're gunna need :eek: LOL

DREW

[bennyvt]

I dont do biu jee so I wouldn't do it better. My point was that when people give out a private video taken when WSL wasn't expecting people to see it, he isn't doing the way he would when people are going to see them Ie the seminars, he is ready for people and knows that others will see it.
The fashion was more about the fact that it is **** hard to do a kick in skin tight jeans.
I am all for people showing tapes when wong knew that people would see them but this was the case of going to dinner, Oh can you do the form, he did it quickly so it is not technically prefect.
I know and have had the argument with another teacher when I comented on the mistakes he does in this video which I saw about 10 years ago. My point is that on the net people look at anything to make people look bad we don't need to help them.
I am not and probably will never be as good as WSL and have never said I was.
I started about a year after he died so I never got to meet him which I am highly ****ed about.

[LoneTiger108]

All styles of wing chun should be doing this. This should be a place of exchange/sharing of information.

I second that ideal Untimatewingchun! :D

If only there was footage of Lee Shing somewhere, but I feel that if there was it may well be lost by now. Mind you, it would only highlight yet another variation as all the forms I trained were slightly different in appearance but seen as 'minimum standards' for me to start with...

[Ernie]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho0TlAMGJq4&feature=user

I have also seen this much crisper but enjoy anyway ;)

[LoneTiger108]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho0TlAMGJq4&feature=user

Superb stuff yet again! I think we called this type of drill 'Arrow Punching' ;) Interesting also that WSL Sifu is drilling his left side. Necessary once you've put so much energy into the right-handed pole imho. Very immpressive.

Thanks Ernie for sharing...

[Matrix]

My point is that on the net people look at anything to make people look bad we don't need to help them. My point is that he doesn't look bad. Not at all. Information is one thing that grows as it is shared. To hide these videos because someone might criticize it is a weak arguement IMO. People who want to be critical will be critical of the even the best performance. So why should we all be deprived because of the critical few?
Cheers,
Bill

[Matrix]

More Wong Shun Leung gold.. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GvsFSickRMs&feature=related)

[Phil Redmond]

Those are some nice clips of Si-Bak WSL. I'd also like to know who mofotox is. He bashes many Wing Chun people on youtube.

[couch]

Superb stuff yet again! I think we called this type of drill 'Arrow Punching' ;) Interesting also that WSL Sifu is drilling his left side. Necessary once you've put so much energy into the right-handed pole imho. Very immpressive.

Thanks Ernie for sharing...

I train this type of punching as well. I was taught it is called "Battle Punching." I was taught it as a way leading up to learning the pole.

Best,
Kenton

[Matrix]

I train this type of punching as well. I was taught it is called "Battle Punching." I was taught it as a way leading up to learning the pole.
Kenton,
That is my understanding as well.

Bill

[Matrix]

I'd also like to know who mofotox is. He bashes many Wing Chun people on youtube.Hey Phil,
I agree with your concern about mofotox. I really don't care much about bashing perse. It's certainly fair game to be critical. It's more the trash talking language that's the issue IMO. It adds no value. There is no constructive criticism, just noise.

Bill

[Ernie]

Hey Phil,
I agree with your concern about mofotox. I really don't care much about bashing perse. It's certainly fair game to be critical. It's more the trash talking language that's the issue IMO. It adds no value. There is no constructive criticism, just noise.

Bill

D@mn ,,, so no more YO Mama jokes ,,,, whats this world coming to !:eek:

[Matrix]

D@mn ,,, so no more YO Mama jokes ,,,, whats this world coming to !:eek: Yikes!! I didn't think about that. Just ignore my last post. :p

[CFT]

"arrow" punching probably is the same as "battle" punching, both characters sound the same in Cantonese.

[chisauking]

arrow punching or battle punching?

The clue is in the excercise. When you have one arm out-stretched in the punch, and one held back at the side of your ribs, what does the pose look like?

[couch]

Kenton,
That is my understanding as well.

Bill

I've also seen (even between Moy Yat practitioners) variance in the timing between the step and punch. I read an article in a martial arts magazine with the Battle Punch being featured was slightly different than my own.

Maybe it's the idea of that half-beat versus a one-beat. Like when I perform a Pak Da. The Da isn't on the "one," it's on the half. Same with the battle punch.

Kenton

[LoneTiger108]

I train this type of punching as well. I was taught it is called "Battle Punching." I was taught it as a way leading up to learning the pole.

I heard this expression too, although from my fading memory this set varied slightly than the arrow punch. Our Battlefist tended to be learnt on the wall bags, using shifting stances and varying the height of the fist (high/mid/low). The drill WSL Sifu was doing was using stepping/stancework from the first 'dim' where all punches land in the same place and the wusau draws completley back(as an archer would draw his bow) while advancing continually as in the pole form.

I hope this makes some sense!? :o Both ways exist, it's just how to look at the set and what you've heard I suppose.

[chisauking]

My comment was made in reference to the WSL clip shown & specifically his lineage's terminology. Doesn't mean other's can't call the drill whatever they want.
If one can understand the way the Chinese define things, this is a logical term of usage. Another example is yee-gee khim young ma. Guess what the pose looks like?

[chisauking]

If you turn up the volume for that clip, you can even hear Wong sifu say 'Li' as he 'pulls' his rear hand back whilst his forward arm is in a fully stretched punch.

[Matrix]

I've also seen (even between Moy Yat practitioners) variance in the timing between the step and punch. I read an article in a martial arts magazine with the Battle Punch being featured was slightly different than my own.

Maybe it's the idea of that half-beat versus a one-beat. Like when I perform a Pak Da. The Da isn't on the "one," it's on the half. Same with the battle punch.Hi Kenton,
Yes, I'm aware of at least 2 variations of this exercise within Moy Yat family. It's a timing thing. As for Pak Da etc., I think it's always good idea to play with the timing of these things. See how they feel and work for you.


If you turn up the volume for that clip, you can even hear Wong sifu say 'Li' as he 'pulls' his rear hand back whilst his forward arm is in a fully stretched punch. I think that's a very important detail. Thanks for pointing it out.

Bill

[Ali. R]

Could this be true, has this turn into an all wing chun forum or what? :)

Thanks guys,


Ali Rahim.

[chisauking]

Matrix sez: I think that's a very important detail. Thanks for pointing it out.


I comment was related & relevant to my previous post.

Instead of the same old same on this forum, I tried to offer something different in my attempt to convey a little Chinese ideology and naming conventions. I didn’t accuse anyone wrong. My method was to guide people to the right path by saying the clue of the name was in the ‘action’ itself – or what the action resembled., which is one of the ways the Chinese name things.

Since the very beginning of wing chun being taught to non-Chinese speaking students, there has always been misconceptions in regards to translation of wing chun terms into English. For example, even after 35-years’ or more of wing chun being taught, practitioners still get the names of the forms wrong. Some wing chun practitioners called the 2nd form chum-kil as the ‘seeking the bridge form’…..yet, some practitioners say ‘we call it the sinking the bridge form’. Only one answer is right.

Any way, this is a good thread with Clive being generous enough to share so many clips of sifu WSL with us. I don’t want to ruin it by entering a petty argument, so I will admit I’m wrong. The clip showing WSL doing the exercise, which is a prelude to the pole form, is called ‘battle punching’.

[Matrix]

I don’t want to ruin it by entering a petty argument, so I will admit I’m wrong. The clip showing WSL doing the exercise, which is a prelude to the pole form, is called ‘battle punching’.Did I miss something? You're "wrong" about what? Arguement about what? :confused:
In any case, please feel free to correct us non-Chinese speaking students to clear up the errors you see in our translation of chinese terminilogy. I for one appreciate the clarification and any other insights you may be willing to share.

Cheers,
Bill

[Alan Orr]

Battle punches are chain punches. This exercise shown is arrow punching, part of pole training. As it looks like you are pulling a bow and letting loose an arrow.

Regards

Alan

[Ernie]

Exactly Allen no need for Fortune cookie voodoo ,,body mechanics and plain english work just fine :cool:

[Matrix]

Exactly Allen no need for Fortune cookie voodoo ,,body mechanics and plain english work just fine :cool:So now we're anti-fortune-cookie!! When will this madness end? :p

[Broken Fist]

Dont think this has been posted before but if it has sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG96eyig5dI&feature=related

[Ernie]

Dont think this has been posted before but if it has sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG96eyig5dI&feature=related

LOL I made that clip a few years back :D

[Broken Fist]

LOL I made that clip a few years back :D

haha nice, any chance you'll be making anymore??? :D

[Ernie]

haha nice, any chance you'll be making anymore??? :D

I have made a few ... showed to a select few in the Family ,, and some felt i was showing to much ,,so out of respect i never put them out ;)

[Broken Fist]

I have made a few ... showed to a select few in the Family ,, and some felt i was showing to much ,,so out of respect i never put them out ;)

Ahh gottcha :)

[couch]

I have made a few ... showed to a select few in the Family ,, and some felt i was showing to much ,,so out of respect i never put them out ;)

There's a guy who posted a youtube.com comment and I second his question:
"Nice video. What's the tune playing? I like it! Thanks!"

It's a tight instrumental. Who is it? KRS-One album?

Thanks,
Kenton

[Ernie]

There's a guy who posted a youtube.com comment and I second his question:
"Nice video. What's the tune playing? I like it! Thanks!"

It's a tight instrumental. Who is it? KRS-One album?

Thanks,
Kenton

might be the watcher ,,but it's a Doc dre joint for sure ,, don't make me dig in the crates :p

it takes a twisted mind that can blend Gangster rap with over contrasted WSL vid and it come out haunting with an Asian feel:D

[LoneTiger108]

might be the watcher ,,but it's a Doc dre joint for sure ,, don't make me dig in the crates :p

Definately the Dre...:cool:

Nice clip, but I'm confused.


I have made a few ... showed to a select few in the Family ,, and some felt i was showing to much ,,so out of respect i never put them out

WHO can actually stop you from posting anything you like Ernie?? Surely in these modern times, openess is the only way to go?

[Ernie]

Definately the Dre...:cool:

Nice clip, but I'm confused.



WHO can actually stop you from posting anything you like Ernie?? Surely in these modern times, openess is the only way to go?

When some one honors you by sharing there personal library of information you do not repay them by making it public ,,,

some things should be earned :cool:

[Phil Redmond]

When some one honors you by sharing there personal library of information you do not repay them by making it public ,,,

some things should be earned :cool:

Now Ernie, you're not into the silk pajama thing are you? . . . . LOL
(jk, I couldn't resist that one bro) :)
Phil

[Ernie]

Now Ernie, you're not into the silk pajama thing are you? . . . . LOL
(jk, I couldn't resist that one bro) :)
Phil

Nah ,,, just common human courtesy ,,, I don't need a special uniform to have proper values ,,, thats what parents are for ,,,, and since i already got 1 daddy
i don't need to go around trying to make some one else into another one :D

[Phil Redmond]

Asere, you know I was just teasing. You don't have to be a traditional martial artist to have morals. ;)

[Ernie]

Asere, you know I was just teasing. You don't have to be a traditional martial artist to have morals. ;)

I know brother ,,,:D

I probably have seen more correct moral judgment from a room full of 2 year olds then in most TMA LOL

[LoneTiger108]

When some one honors you by sharing there personal library of information you do not repay them by making it public ,,,

some things should be earned :cool:

Respect to you Ernie, for being as loyal as you are. To receive such responsibility in itself speaks volumes about your relationship with WSL Sifu. I had no idea that so much footage of WSL existed.

For me it was almost the other way round though! :confused: Man Sifu actually recorded all the students' training, rarely being filmed in action himself. Excellent for recording student progress imo. Man! He's got some embarrassing stuff of most of us and especially me! :o It was a requirement that we be filmed, or you just never got access to further things.

Earning knowledge seems to be a binding similarity here too eh?

[Phil Redmond]

I just found this clip of Sibak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTcYfe_xN4g&feature=inbox

[k gledhill]

My understanding of the punching /pre-pole exercises from P Bayer , are simply to isolate and develop maximum extension 'off body' of each arm , alone, then using the rear pole support hand crossing the body [punching /holding the butt of the pole] and then the striking [striking/extending supporting] with the other pole support hand [ fac sao] to its maximum with leg extension...3 things then done to the tip of the pole to kill you.

The resulting mass of 9ft of wood x force blah blah blah to the tip of the pole is like a .45 round .if all done well..

The pre-placement of the butt hand by the arm pit holding the pole then taking the pole at maximum extension with the other is to attain the 'maximum' extension of each arm , while presenting minimal target and supporting the length and weight on the lead thigh [cat stance toe]. Driving the strike home with the thigh heel connection

try hitting a piece of plywood with the combined timing of all 3 ;) it only takes one hit :D

the SLT contains pole drills / actions we commonly adopt for 'applications' like bil gee has empty knife actions to start 'bare handed'
The 'off body' [ what some call fak sao] is the support hand of the pole if done 'elbow down' fingers point to the target like you want to poke them in the eye...the arm then comes back like....the pole exercise, repeat this rather than go through he form like a robot and you can see modules that have no connection to the next set in the form. The hand should travel to the point in as straight a line as possible lowering elbow from double 'lan soa' , starts the action, not an arc like an offside 'karate chop' elbow up.
It breaks the facing / chu-ying concept when its taken to application...it can be used like some do 'bil-sao/man sao' to engage space before facing , and covering your head zone as you try to point and shoot with 2 arms as the bare hands idea goes, keeping the elbow low, ensures/raises the odds of engagement of incoming ...when facing a gun fight all shots go to target not to side unless you are now shooting sideways and turn the body to minimize being a target back holding a staff/pole/pool cue/broom stick /umbrella...etc....

nothing is set in stone , so be like water my friend . if all else fails duck and come up swinging :D or take his legs out :D

WSL would use off body strikes similar while fighting Choy lay fut stylists who adopted open centers ...he [wsl] wouldnt attack the center for the obvious trap ...he would attack the upraised arm and strike with ...yup off body strike. like a tan on your center line facing the arm while he hit you offbody...

just my 2 cents on strong coffee :D


there is a clip of P Bayer doing some chi-sao drilling on his site...

http://www.philippbayer.net/